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PastorAIO:
Thanks so much for this great link. Some passages of interest from it are:





I don't know why this point has to be argued from so many different angles. I repeat the point I keep making over and over again that the sheer fact that the Death of Moses is mentioned in the Pentateuch means that Moses couldn't have written it in the form we have it now. If Moses wrote it then it has been redacted by later editors.



I would say that the clamour for the 'original text' is political. It is nothing but an attempt to wrest authority away from the Church. And further, if the 'original text' can be said to be mystical wishy washy whereby we can't actually go and reference it then that leaves even more room for the likes of Ihedinobi to twist and turn.

I'll wait for ihedinobi to react.

Fatherofdragons:
Oh really? I think say na only igbos dey kill because of land as other nigerians dey talk, so what this one now in Edo State?

Benin have been draging land for a long time, ibos are just learning. have u ever seen a case of mother and son draging their fathers\husbands land? come benin u go fear.

LordReed:
LoL! Why you'd even need a supercomputer for that is the funniest computer joke. LMFAO!

I think the supercomputer will likely collate and analyse data, eg when a protestant give birth, dang! his name appears on the list, when someone becomes protestant dang! he enters the list, when one becomes catholic his name is removed. That much stuff for the world, i guess he figured he will need huge processing power.
conspiracy theory.

Ihedinobi3:
There are differences of different sorts between different manuscripts, copies and translations of the Bible. This is only proof that none of them is the original and therefore must not be treated as the original.

There is a perfect examplar of the Scripture to which every copy and translation should ideally seek to approximate. It is true that that exemplar is not easy to find but because the Bible is the very Word of God, it is spiritual. So when we humbly read different manuscripts and copies and translations, we are going to notice when things are straight and when they don't quite add up. This is how we can often tell which manuscripts are really good and which are really terrible.

The Masoretic is the best manuscript out there, as far as I know. But I don't believe that it is a perfect exemplar, that is, that it perfectly preserves the original writings of the original writers of Scripture. So, it will differ in some respects from other manuscripts out there. In some cases, some of those manuscripts will preserve the original writings better and in some worse. But all told, it is the best of them. This is also true of the Sinaiticus.

Happy New Year to you, Ubenedictus.

www.patheos.com/blogs/peterenns/2013/07/heres-something-about-the-bible-of-the-first-christians-i-bet-many-of-you-didnt-know-youre-welcome/amp/


There is a little post with a book relevant to the discussion.


Wish you the best for the new year

LordReed:
Ubenedictus, 9inches they are calling you. LMFAO!

lol,
I don't have time for conspiracy theories, that is a waste of time, I only question the mental stability of those who believe and spread such.


Someone thinks the Vatican has a super computer with the list of all the protestants in the world and the Pope is just waiting to kill them all.... Come-on!!! How do you answer such insanity except maybe recommend a doctor.

alBHAGDADI:
1. You mean Paul, Peter, James and John were all Catholicism? Trash and lies.

2. Where is your prove?

3. That's a lie. It has nothing to do with Calvinism.

4. Another lie. Baptist didn't break out of Catholic Church.

You mean the original Christian Church bowed down to images of mary?

Historians trace the earliest "Baptist" church to 1609 in Amsterdam, Dutch Republic with English Separatist John Smyth as its pastor.[2]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptists&hl=en-NG&grqid=VXiLVWoZ&grqid=VXiLVWoZ

John Smyth was an Anglican who broke from that church and went to convince a few people about his beliefs. Anglicanism came from Catholicism, Baptist therefore are indirect breakaways from the Catholic church.

Ihedinobi3:
There are differences of different sorts between different manuscripts, copies and translations of the Bible. This is only proof that none of them is the original and therefore must not be treated as the original.

There is a perfect examplar of the Scripture to which every copy and translation should ideally seek to approximate. It is true that that exemplar is not easy to find but because the Bible is the very Word of God, it is spiritual. So when we humbly read different manuscripts and copies and translations, we are going to notice when things are straight and when they don't quite add up. This is how we can often tell which manuscripts are really good and which are really terrible.

The Masoretic is the best manuscript out there, as far as I know. But I don't believe that it is a perfect exemplar, that is, that it perfectly preserves the original writings of the original writers of Scripture. So, it will differ in some respects from other manuscripts out there. In some cases, some of those manuscripts will preserve the original writings better and in some worse. But all told, it is the best of them. This is also true of the Sinaiticus.

Happy New Year to you, Ubenedictus.

so I guess it is simply a stroke of luck that the masoretic text deletes and edited a great deal of the prophesies that talk of Jesus Christ even though the Hebrew Texts Jerome used have them?

The text edited from manuscripts and Jewish tradition from the 4th till the 10th century deleting prophesies about Jesus is the best text according to you while those translated before at most by the 5th century are troublesome abi?

LordReed:
They don't because there is no proof that spirits or souls that are separate from the body exist.

Creation is a claim religions claim, it is not evidence. Someone can not point to house and say my father built that house and when pressed for proof says the house exists therefore my father built it.

no, but someone can point to a house and say someone built that and when asked for proof he may very well say the very fact it is built is proof that someone built it, houses dont build themselves, it is so true it is a truism.

LordReed:
Yet you have people claiming they have returned from the dead to preach. The god cannot make up its mind?

There are many ways the god can prove its existence without arguments or untestable claims.

how has d dead guys helped you?


Even if he came down in visible form in a stadium someone like you will still try and find other explanations and accuse the people there of mass hallucination.

I dont need to make claims and argument, if creation doesnt tell you of a creator then i guess nothing will. When people make up their minds they bec6e blind to glaring things.

LordReed:
The go to analogy I have is does the sun need arguments for its existence?

People disagree with my analogy by saying god is an entity outside our universe. OK so when an entity outside of something interacts with it does it not produce recordable effect within it?

I see no reason to argue a god or gods into existence, I think its more practicable to either observe or demonstrate its or their existence.

what other recordable effect do you want if the creation and preservation of the universe is insufficient for you?
I just remembered a passage of scripture that says even if someone came back from d dead to preach to them they still wont believe.

DeRay98:
Benin agbero no be the type for lagos wey them go dey shout and draw back. For benin, if you boast say you go do somebody something and you no do am, na im be say you draw rain and your rain no fall. You better wait for my own oh.

However, Agbero no get job for Benin again as Obaseki don remove their teeth, so now, dem don drive their own motor like everybody else and pay parking fee to the govt. Agbero business don end for benin. This kind driver na former Agbero wey no get choice but to drive him motor like others, na im make body dey pain am as im get to pain fine to govt for disobeying traffic rules.

LOL,
a thousand likes.
craze pass craze.

CAPSLOCKED:
[color=#990000]CATHOLICS ALWAYS CLAIM THEY'RE THE BEST, AND ONLY CHRISTIAN SECT INSTITUTED BY GOD HIMSELF, THROUGH JESUS CHRIST WHEN HE HANDED OVER THE "KEYS" TO ST. PETER THE APOSTLE.

THESE GUYS CANONISE MEMBERS AND CALL SELECTED DEAD PEOPLE SAINTS AND MARTYRS, WHO CATHOLIC MEMBERS ARE TAUGHT TO PRAY TO, AND DEDICATE THEIR LIVES TO, BECAUSE CALLING ON GOD THROUGH JESUS AND KISSING IMAGES OF MARY IS NOT SUFFICIENT ENOUGH.

DO YOU KNOW THAT CATHOLICS CLAIM THE POPE IS INFALLIBLE? MEANING HE IS ALWAYS CORRECT IN ALL HE DOES, AND CAN NEVER SIN OR DO ANY WRONG.

THESE PEOPLE ARE RETÀRDED AND I'M ONLY SHORT OF WORDS WHEN I SAY THAT.
I'M AN EX-SEMINARIAN IN CASE YOU WANNA KNOW.

You must be a badly educated ex minor seminarian. the church does not teach that the pope is always right, that is a lie.
You can go back and research the doctrine of papal infallibility but it has nothing to do with impecability or d dumb idea that the pope is always right.

janettee:
You are so on point.

And thanks for the video!.

That's exactly the video I wanted to show him.

As I told the other person, rev modestus chilaka is not a catholic priest, if you search the net you will also find several press release by eastern bishop all saying he was never ordained and is no priest. records of all ordained priest are available in the diocese.

CAPSLOCKED:
CATHOLICS ALWAYS CLAIM THEY'RE THE BEST, AND ONLY CHRISTIAN SECT INSTITUTED BY GOD HIMSELF, THROUGH JESUS CHRIST WHEN HE HANDED OVER THE "KEYS" TO ST. PETER THE APOSTLE.

THESE GUYS CANONISE MEMBERS AND CALL SELECTED DEAD PEOPLE SAINTS AND MARTYRS, WHO CATHOLIC MEMBERS ARE TAUGHT TO PRAY TO, AND DEDICATE THEIR LIVES TO, BECAUSE CALLING ON GOD THROUGH JESUS AND KISSING IMAGES OF MARY IS NOT SUFFICIENT ENOUGH.

DO YOU KNOW THAT CATHOLICS CLAIM THE POPE IS INFALLIBLE? MEANING HE IS ALWAYS CORRECT IN ALL HE DOES, AND CAN NEVER SIN OR DO ANY WRONG.

THESE PEOPLE ARE RETÀRDED AND I'M ONLY SHORT OF WORDS WHEN I SAY THAT.
I'M AN EX-SEMINARIAN IN CASE YOU WANNA KNOW.



[color=#990000]FR. MODESTUS CHIALAKA RAISING DEAD BODIES AND MAKING PEOPLE VOMIT LIZARDS, IS NOT A WORK BY DC COMICS.

You did not do your assignment well.
'Fr' Modestus is NOT A CATHOLIC PRIEST. He was not ordained by any catholic bishop in nigeria.

janettee:
Catholic church is not different. There's still a high percentage of women in Catholic church. And about fake miracles, it happens in Catholic churches too with all these priests having their own ministries where they hold 'crusades'.

Before you counter these, just know I was once a Catholic!!.

then this should be easy.

Show me one instance where a catholic priest performed a fake miracle. simple abi?

janettee:
What's different about Catholic church??

Why not check and see if what is described in that post applies there?

LordReed:
Hmmm, you have introduced me to new information I hadn't considered before. Thank you.

My pleasure.
Besides you only got new information because you were open to it. I have had experience where people prefer the stuff they already know and cant accept to see any other thing. so kudos to you.

Anas09:
It does belong to the Catholic Church. She and her ecumenism.

I have seen you making some pretty dumb submissions lately, why not more?

the catholic church caused the dark ages whereas that was cause by the fall of rome.
the church locked the faith in rome whereas she evangelised the world
the pope was ruling the world whereas that was the kings, the popes were trying frantically and even unsuccessful to get out of political oppression.
why not add more
the catholic church is babylon d great, the sole christian church for over a thousand years, so d devil prevailed against the church?

Really you need to stop making dumb submissions, they sound like myth borrow from jack chick.

[quote author=frosbel2 post=74502467][/quote]So you think it is untrue that there are difference between male and female? or is it just the joy of taging pope francis as a woman hater even though he isn't?

frosbel2:
What you just stated is a fact.

I actually stopped my wife from going to Christ Embassy to listen to all that gibberish and 'witness' all the fake miracles involved. My sons went once and vowed never to go again ( they were only little then and yet knew it was bullsh1t ). Thankfully she has stopped going and is of a sounder mind that when she was at church. Her church and many others in the UK are made up of 80% of women and 20% of men, that says a lot.

The key thing in these churches ( of course, I would know after two decades of attendance ) , is that they programme their members and herd them like cattle into obedience. Those who want to leave are threatened, shamed or ostracised and those who know too much are kicked out with their reputation in tatters.

You should try a catholic church. this is a rather untrue generalisation

Frosbel2, your op it rather fallacious?
how come you believe 'nun-ship' is an attempt to shakle women? there is a parallel practice that involve men, AKA monks, is the catholic church also trying to shackle men too?

both nuns and monks are religious who freely and knowingly chose to give up both wealth, property and family to dedicate themselves to prayer, to study, to evangelism and to the care of the forgotten and maginalised people of the world, it is funny because many nuns are heavy feminist who will be the first to insist of female rights vigorously. so it is laughable you think these women are shackled.

i used to live close to a convent and i have visited several, the idea that nuns are raped by priest just doesnt ring true. the living quaters of nuns are off limit to everyone including priests. A nuns do not enter guest's room, for a nun to be pregnant it usually has to be consentual, not rape, priests and sisters dont live together.
In my years i have never seen such.

frosbel2:
Total BULLSH1T.

Yes, there are people who feel depressed because of the actions of a few lunatics, but the general and overarching trend is that Homosexuals want this life style to be taught to all children in schools and they also aggressively encourage the government to impose this on society in a sort of ' in your face manner ' . Any difference of opinion is made to sound like homophobia. Eventually people get fed up and 'fight' back.

this is an equally bad trend, the idea of forcing gender ideology down everyones throat...the political correctedness of it all. not just homosexuality but also transgender activism.

MuttleyLaff:
You are right he rejects homophobia, that speaks volume doesnt it and he is wise about that but did he or not, make that statement though?

Even I do not believe in a homophobic heaven, that has to be hell fire not heaven. Distrust and disrespect of people because of sexual orientation is wrong.

I also do not believe in a heaven that says OK to sin whether it is adultery or sodomy.

MuttleyLaff:
Ranchhoddas was saying and asking me:
"Have you been able to convince anyone that homosexuality is approved in the Bible?
You must be the only person on the planet with this view."

My response was:
Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Jorge Mario Bergoglio popularly known as Pope Francis, to name just these two (i.e. Anglican and Catholic). Tutu said he doesnt want to live in a homophobic heaven whilst Pope Francis said transsexuals and gay people should be embraced. He told Juan Carlos Cruz, a gay man: "God made you like this and loves you like this"

Pope francis rejects homophobia so does the catholic church, but homosexual sexual relations are sinful according to catholicism

PHIPEX:
But US just deployed its military to Gabon to prevent crises in neighboring Congo, is this a mere coincidence?

It is no coincidence, the troops were never for congo, they were meant to support and humanise the gabon coup.
This has CIA written all over it.

chikk:
Fr Syncan has spoken...

indeed he has.

mhizzcherry:
I grew up in a Pentecostal church.I think she is against it because they would have to travel all the way to Asaba for the white

Comfortable transport and accomodation can be arranged na...
OR he can do it in a catholic church close to where your parents live.

alBHAGDADI:
Roman Catholicism is a false religion. It is the LovePeddler of Babylon and the Pope is the biggest false prophet alive.

Roman Catholic LovePeddler of Babylon gave birth to the Pentecostals through the Reformation. They carried most of her falsehood along with them.

you can do all the name calling you like but it would not change the following facts.
1. catholics were the ONLY christians in the first 1000 years of christianity and they did not teach once saved always saved.
2. It was not accepted in any christian church for the first 1500 years of christianity which means it is a recent invention.
3. It was created by a man called John Calvin and it was immediately condemn as heresy.
4. Even your baptist church broke out of the catholic church, the catholic churbh is the original christian church and all other churches came from her because of disobedience and heresy.

You need a little history lesson.
Before protestantism began there were already christians from 33AD to 1500AD, Catholic and Orthodox christians and none of then taught once saved always save, that doctrine was invented by John Calvin 500 years ago and it is now taught differently from how he taught it, the current strain of that doctrine is about 200 years old and developed in america

So any how you look at it once save always saved is a new invention \heresy, the original form by John Calvin and the current form more recent. it did not exist for the first 1500years of christianity.

mhizzcherry:
We even stay in separate states,like I stay in Lagos while he is in Delta.It wud av been much more easier to convince them if we both stay in same state,I really dunno if u get my point or how best to explain it since I am explaining on chats

I do understand ur point, I'm a little surprised though that your mum would also be against a catholic wedding.
it is usually a bad idea to do the trad rites with reception and postpone d white wedding because it comes with d expectation of living as husband and wife which is not right.

Ask your guy if he is willing to be married in a protestant church. what denomination did you grow up in? there may be a compromise somewhere?

We must learn to balance precept upon precept if not we will fall into heresy. This doctrine is unbalanced.

The spirit says in 1 jn 3:7
"let no one lead you astray, he who DOES RIGHT is RIGHTEOUS even as He(Jesus) is righteous"

we know that righteousness is received by faith without work, but we are made righteous so that we may live in that reality, we are God's workmanship created for good works.

righteous being must also be righteous doing, if not it isnt right.
He who does right is righteous.