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ijawkid: You are still on the Yahweh made it rain fire from Yahweh??

I had opened a thread as a rebuttal to your low understanding of genesis 19:24 but you ran away........


And please how should I worship Jesus??the same way you worship mary ??

Right??

hahaha, u hv decided to bring a diversion abi? Hahaha wat cn i xpect of d ijaw guy tell me again abt heb 1:6

frosbel: Catholic , what do I expect from you and the PAGAN POPE.

Of course Paganism !!!

d same old story 4rm d same frosbel, im not suprised. U arian heresy is already condemned

ijawkid: Because he is GOD......

That is one intrinsic Ñature of the almighty.....

He can't be seen.....its an impossibilty........

No flesh can contain the almighty...that is who he is...........no man can see GOD.....that's who GOD is....

And for your info........when Je§us died,everything about Jesus died(100%) for 3days........

Both Je§us' human and divine nature were in that grave for 3 good days.....

Don't mis-Ínterprete the scriptures with your human nature and God nature analogy.....

The bible says 100% Jesus died for 3days,not a part of JÉsus........shikena....

hahahaha, really? Wu preach to d spirits in prison? Hahaha

ijawkid: SMH!!!!.....

I just need a scripture that will say Jesus is all knowing now that he is in the heavens.....

in him is hidden all wisdom and knowledge, did u miss dat?

I already showed you revelations 1:1 to add to my arsenal of Jesus not all-knowing......

it didnt prove nting, it just confirm my knowledge that d son recieved all from d fada, i already knew dat.

exactly the same thing Jesus told his apostles is still want is going on in heaven....

really? Wen Jesus was going to heaven he didnt say he didnt know instead he said it isnt 4 us to know.

Jesus can't do a single thing on his own originality,except what the Father tells Him......

JÉsus many times has said ""what I hear is what I speak""

again that didnt disprove my arguement. He is son to his fada, im not suprised dat he obeys.

It has nothing to do with his humanity.....Jesus has always been learning fro his Father b4 the universe was created....that Is what you and your colleagues fail to understand.....

nah my friend, d fada already gave him all, from all eternity.

Yahweh who is the all knowing God still supplies knowledge and revelations to his son and servant right down till today as we speak.........

And Yahweh would be the one to give the go ahead for Jesus to come squash satans system....

Why??

Because Yahweh is the almighty....

where u sleepin wen d bible called Jesus almighty?

It is Yahweh who exalted Jesus and gave Jesus kingdoms and power.....so Jesus must act under Yahwehs instructions and directions........

Read 1 corinthians 15:24-28.........

Jesus is not all knowing.........

You are yet to use a scripture to prove that............

The bible has so much verses to prove
That Jesus is not all-knowing.....but you have being using the ""his humanity limited his knowledge"" excuse.........but you are the same person who says Jesus is 100 percent God and man.....contradiction!!!!!!!!!........

u didnt even make a point

ijawkid: SMH!!!!.....

I just need a scripture that will say Jesus is all knowing now that he is in the heavens.....

in him is hidden all wisdom and knowledge, did u miss dat?

I already showed you revelations 1:1 to add to my arsenal of Jesus not all-knowing......

it didnt prove nting, it just confirm my knowledge that d son recieved all from d fada, i already knew dat.

exactly the same thing Jesus told his apostles is still want is going on in heaven....

really? Wen Jesus was going to heaven he didnt say he didnt know instead he said it isnt 4 us to know.

Jesus can't do a single thing on his own originality,except what the Father tells Him......

JÉsus many times has said ""what I hear is what I speak""

again that didnt disprove my arguement. He is son to his fada, im not suprised dat he obeys.

It has nothing to do with his humanity.....Jesus has always been learning fro his Father b4 the universe was created....that Is what you and your colleagues fail to understand.....

nah my friend, d fada already gave him all, from all eternity.

Yahweh who is the all knowing God still supplies knowledge and revelations to his son and servant right down till today as we speak.........

And Yahweh would be the one to give the go ahead for Jesus to come squash satans system....

Why??

Because Yahweh is the almighty....

where u sleepin wen d bible called Jesus almighty?

It is Yahweh who exalted Jesus and gave Jesus kingdoms and power.....so Jesus must act under Yahwehs instructions and directions........

Read 1 corinthians 15:24-28.........

Jesus is not all knowing.........

You are yet to use a scripture to prove that............

The bible has so much verses to prove
That Jesus is not all-knowing.....but you have being using the ""his humanity limited his knowledge"" excuse.........but you are the same person who says Jesus is 100 percent God and man.....contradiction!!!!!!!!!........

u didnt even make a point

ijawkid: This is one big hogwash..

Can you back what you just said with the bible??

Hw can one be subordinate to his equal??

just d way im equal in dignity accding to nature to my dad and im subordinate to him by rank.

According to you the Father and the Son are co-equal........

How come do we now have the issue of one being subordinate to the other??

i already taught u this but ur brain is blocked it doesnt remember.

How does that ratify co-equality??

it doesnt affect it because coequality is due to nature

how can an all knowing (Jesus) still be recieveing revelations??I thought they were already stuck in his all knowingness.....

rev says "which God gave him", im suprised u have a problem with that all d attributes of God (d fulnes of d deity) was given to d son by d fada wen d divine nature was transmitted. That is d meaning of d word begotten, it means my parents gave me all d attributes of humanity. Christ fada gave him all d attributes of d divinity. My bibles says "all wisdom and knowledge are hidden in him".

and may I ask::::

Does the holy spirit know when the end will come??it seems Jesus forgot to say anything about the holy spirit when he was telling his apostles that only the Father knew when the end will come........

Does the holy spirit know when d end will come??........

he searchet the deep things of God, that is how my bible puts it.

ijawkid: Because as the Boss of all boss Yahweh has servants and messangers he sends.....

Starting from Jesus to the angels and to the rest of us.......

We are all servants of Yahweh........

And also if Yahweh comes to the earth we will all die...because no flesh can see God and yet live....how many times do I have to tell you??

Yahweh is the most High...he can't be seen...

sorry my friend, no on can see God, ihendi just taught u that God is a nature, if God takes human nature he will be visible and no one will die because no one will see d divine nature all we will see is a human nature with blood and bone. That is y d fulnes of d deity dwelt in christ bodily and nobody died...

ijawkid: Are you suffering from amnesia??

You just said Jesus was fully God and fully man...that infact Jesus was God the almighty in human flesh.......

My freind you either choose Jesus was a 100 percent perfect man when on earth and not God,or u choose he was fully God and man and also contradict yourself....

Jesus didn't say his god nature knew when the end will come while is earthly nature didn't know,... 100 percent Jesus said he didn't know,but only the Father knows.......

Jesus isn't all knowing.....read revelations 1:1.....and see where Jesus still recieves revelations from the Father.....


That is the reason why Jesus told his listeners back then that what ever he sees the Father ,so he does....

Jesus learns from his Father...

An all knowing being does not learn .........

hahaha, it seems u missed where d bible say all knowledge and wisdom are hidden in christ. Hahaha, u are contradicting d bible

ijawkid: Oh adam was before eve,but u disagree Yahweh was b4 Jesus.....you and your cohorts claim Jesus existed simulteneously the same time with his God and Father (Yahweh)...

You see yourself??

hahahaha! So d fada was before his logos(word/reason), hahahaha, u are telling me that there was a time d fada didnt have logos. Hahaha, this is really heresy

ijawkid: It seems u have forgotten that the almighty cannot be seen and cannot die.....did it escape your thoughts??

Did it??

The almighty does not need to come in human form because he is the almighty.....

No man can see the almighty and yet live...that is why the almighty sends his representatives.......

Now can you explain why the almighty who came to the earth didn't knw when the end will come??did he suffer from amnesia??

Jesus didn't create himself,he was created by Yahweh his God........

That is why Jesus is the image of Yahweh just as you and I are........

were u blind wen d bible called Jesus almighty?

frosbel: olodo rapata, so according to your logic, God begat GOD ?

what did u xpect? If a human give birth to or begat an animal, is it no an anomaly? God is perfect no abnormallies, he shuld begat one wu is an image of himself, just as u are d image of ur parents.

Boomark: Na wa o for that Antenna creed.
Anybody that wants to be save should above all throw away the catholic faith. Including their chaplet abi rosary plus any image you look unto while praying. Don't be scared to come to God through our lord Jesus Christ. He wunt be angry with you.

I still wonder what "the God of our Lord Jesus" means to trinity if the 3 are equal and One God. Does it mean that the Father can be God to one of the God and still be His equal?

Pls Ubedintus, answer the question i left 4 u at the other thread.

i have been away, i will answer dem wen i c dem.

[quote author=ekt_bear]The one I don't understand is the praying to Mary or saints.

But even that one, I think God will be understanding of.[/quote]if u have question abt this, i will b very happy to answer dem, just open a thread.

frosbel: Okay , a little history.

The trigger for this endless debate was the assertion that all those who do not believe in the Trinity of 3-gods are not Christians and therefore not saved which means that by implication they are damned.

This in itself is harsh , false and concocted lie.

Secondly, you cannot believe in Mormonism where SATAN is called the brother of JESUS and call yourself a Christian.

As for JW I really cannot say , more investigation is needed especially with regards to their concept of salvation. But it is worrying that the JWs are more accurate in their interpretation of many scriptures and doctrine than the so called church made up of over 40,000 denominations.

However I do not believe in belonging to an organisation or a church , each MAN to his BIBLE and his GOD. The Spirit of GOD must always be in charge.

Will Trinitarians go to hell ? For those who are born again I don't think so, but for those who prevent millions from entering into the kingdom of GOD by insisting you must believe in the trinity, they will be surprised when they hear these words on the last day ' Depart from ME '.

wu made u judge?

frosbel: 1. Catholic means universal no doubt. But the Roman Catholic Church led by the Pope is PAGAN

hahaha, u are pagan,

2. For the first 300 years before the Pagan Emperor Constantine, the Trinity was not a known , talk less of accepted doctrine

a very big lie, the early christain witness that Jesus was God even before d 300ad, justin did around 150, st john did before 99 ad jn1:1 and so did all d apostles, all d churches d apostles preached to also did. Tertullian already used d word 3nity before nicea did. Go and make another lie.

3. Not all Christians accept this strange doctrine of 3-gods.

all xtian wu donot accept dat God is one in 3 persons were heretics, d arains

4. It is not a pre-requisite for salvation

u just said earlier that those wu believe in d trinity will go to hell. U have many mouths

frosbel: TO WHOM WILL YE MAKE ME EQUAL?

The word "equal" is only used four times in Scripture in relation to the subject in hand. There are two references in the Old Testament and two
in the New Testament. The two in the Old Testament are in Isa.40:25 and 46:5 where God issues this challenge: "To whom will ye liken me,
and make me equal,and compare me, that we may be alike?"

Isaiah 40:25-31
King James Version (KJV)
25 To whom then will ye liken me , or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.
26 Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.

Our Father is using the singular pronouns of HE , ME and HIS , yet by some magical art we are expected to suspend our brain and convert this singularity into a plurality ?

hahaha, this doesnt even scratch the surface. The one God (in 3 persons) is speaking and he declears that none is his equal. This verse doesnt refute d trinity.

And then GOD warns us in this same passage 'To WHOM Shall I BE Equal '

But the spirit behind the catholic dogma is so proud and ignorant that the WORD of God means nothing to them, they ignore these words and corrupt them with tradition.

u mean u corrupt them by ignorance abi?

What about this other verse :

Isaiah 45:5
King James Version (KJV)
5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

Here again we see our Almighty Father , the only ONE GOD of Heaven and Earth using personal pronouns for himself, again the catholics reject this and tell us GOD is 3 as if we are stupid !

catholic didnt say God is 3. Do u have reading problems?

Lastly consider this verse.

Isaiah 46:5
King James Version (KJV)
5 To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?


Gals and Guys this is getting very serious, are we going to stand on the word of GOD or the word of that wicked POPE and his harlot church.

the revolter.

Let us recap our little observation :

1. God uses singular pronouns like , ME, I, HE , HIS etc - If these words do not denote ONENESS I do not know what else does
2. God asks ' Who can you compare me to '
3. God asks ' Who is like me '
4. God asks who can you equate me with


Despie all this scripture , the POPE and his wicked antichrist church continue to potray GOD as 3 beings.

u are a very big liar, one of d biggest liars i ve ever met. Wu told u that God is 3 beings? Are u simply assuming? We have been saying 3 PERSONS ONE BEING

Those who reject and condemn those who do not adhere to the doctrine of the Trinity, run the risk of being rejected by the Lord if they happen to be wrong. We all do well to heed the exhortation of Jesus:
"Judge not that you be not judged."

tell this to urself first.

The two New Testament passages of Scripture in which the word "equal" occurs are Jn.5:18 and Phl.2:6.

In Jn.5:18 we read that the Jews concluded that Jesus made himself equal with God because he said God was his Father. Once again, as usual,the Jews reached a wrong conclusion and completely failed to understand the simple truth that Jesus was teaching. They "erred," not knowing the Scriptures," and Jesus warned his disciples to "[/quote]hahaha, did christ say they erred? No he didnt. They totally understood what one meant to be the only BEGOTTEN son of God, the moment he mentioned those words they understood that he was claiming to have d same substance as d fada.
You jumped phi 2. It seems u are runing.

frosbel: Brilliant !!

Some of the ardent Trinitarians , especially the catholics will be cast into the lake of FIRE for preventing multitudes from entering the kingdom through their peaching of this 3-god LIE.

frosbel learn to be consistent, u just finished saying that belief or non belief in d trinity doesnt affect ur salvation, and here u say it does. You have two mouths

ijawkid: Jesus is the son of God,servant of the most high,high priest of the most high,mediator between the 1 true God and man,apostle of Yahweh.....

You guys have become so obsseses with Jesus being God that u have forgotten who Jesus really is and what he is doing in the heavens......

and the word was God

ijawkid: Ur colleague here is saying Yahweh is name that belongs to more than 1 person.....that is heresy @ its peak.....

The trinity has no foundation in the bible...its an old pagan crap.....

God is 1 in 1...not 3 in 1......

God is 1 and not triune.....

Learn from Jesus and leave paganism alone.

did u write that bible?

ijawkid: Your thoughts has got heresy written all over it......

Bible says Yahweh is 1,but u mr benidictus wants to turn that around...oya open scriptures show me.....

Soon you'll start going to sodom and gomorrah,cherry picking scriptures that have nothin to do with trinity and forcing trinity into it.......

Open where the bible says that Yahweh is more than 1 person or that many persons bare the name Yahweh....I dey here dey wait for you....

i already did and i remember d last time i showed u that verse u ran away screaming, cherry picking! U have already started to scream

albacete: Their most unpopular phrase "show me where it is in the Bible".

Just like Thomas who said to Jesus "unless i see and put my hands on thy side where thou was pierced, i will not believe".

hahaha, so i shuld accept every tin u say on the basis that u said it abi? U protestant are d one wu alway want every word to b in d bible, wen i ask for quotations u run cowardly and start telling me abt thomas. Weldone

ijawkid: No!!!!

Trinitarians are the ones who have been dulled overtime so as not to know who they are to worship.......

Jesus came down to the earth to show every1 who rightly deserves exclusive worship,but the trinity has squashed that....

Now people worship 3 peoples........now that my freind is called idoatry.....

Jesus worshipped Yahweh,imitate him.......

Listen O isreal and O nairalanders,Yahweh our God(I don't know if he Is the God of trinitarians) is 1 Yahweh........

Worship Yahweh........

dull boy, blind even to scriptures heb1:6 "let all God's angels WORSHIP him"
are u going to show me ur adulterated bible now?

ijawkid: The name Yahweh refers to 1 person...have u been dodging deuterenomy 6:4 and mark 12:29??.....

you dont know the difference btw person and being that is ur problem. Yahweh refer to one being that is what the bible says "yahweh ur God is one" but it doesnt refer to one person that is why d bible also says "yahweh rained down fire and brimstone from yahweh in heaven". anybody wu is blind or incapable of reason will notice that two persons are addressed as yahweh in the later passage.

Show me from the bible where the name Yahweh doesn't belong to the Father alone??

"yahwah rained down fire and brimstone from yahweh in heaven" did u miss that part of genesis?

You have come with your heresy once more.......

im sorry to say this friend but u are d heretic here. U have been preaching arianism on this thread. You doctrine is d offspring of a excommunicated priest named arius. Go and make research and tell me wu d heretic is.

Jesus is mediating for you ,you can't literally worship him.....rather he (Jesus) channels your worship(that's if you have not murdered Yahweh) to Yahweh.........

hahahaha, read heb 1, my bible says "let d angels worship him" i said it b4 u are preaching heresy. Christ is both highpriest, mediator, victim and God.

That is the work of a mediator and a high priest....

Jesus is the channel through which our worship gets to Yahweh.....respect Jesus' office......if u worship Jesus the same u wanna do to Yahweh,then you are an idolater.....

hahaha, my bible says Jesus shuld b worshiped

Exclusive worship belongs to Yahweh alone..........

Angels don't offer worship to Jesus,they respect him as Yahwehs king designate and show that by bowing down........

The angels along with Jesus all worship Yahweh......get that into your catholic skull.....lol......

hahaha is that what ur adulterated bible say? Hahaha

And b4 I forget,I hope mary too has a chair close to the Father,so that she can be called a high priestess......

sorry to burst ur bubble, no high priestess in heaven.
I wont b suprised abt her chair close to d fada

It is everything and everybody you want to worship.......

and u refuse to worship one wu deserves worship.

As usual u want to spin d discussion into an arguement about titles. I noted it d moment u mentioned morning star. Weldone

ijawkid: @ubenidictus....

Also start preparing to tell me if words like ""1st born of all creation"",,,""beginning of the creation of God"".....begotten can be applied to the Father.......

hahaha, first born or first begotten can be applied to the father because d fada is neither born nor begotten, just d way no one will call d son unbegetten so also no on can call d fada first born.
The other title u mentioned is the "arche" of creation, the source of creation, that name can be applied to d father and even d father calls himself "the "arche" and the end".

Since you say they are equal I think such titles can be attached to the Father........

is the title fada attached to the son? Hahaha, ijawkid stop amusing me.

Why is Jesus called the 1st (born) of all creation??

let us go and check d bible. Col 1:15-16. "he is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation; for in all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities and authorities-all things were created through him and for him"
do you see that the bible explains itself the "first born" is a term of preeminence, he is d first born of creation for in him all thing were created in heaven and on earth

Boomark: Assuming GEJ is your creator, will you be equal to him in any way?

now u are speaking hypothetically, so i will answer in the same fashion. If GBJ can "create" me to have the fullness of his nature then yes i would be equal to him.

ijawkid: And UBE like I said every single being in heaven are spirits......

nah they have a "spiritual body"

Who is given authority more and who has authority more is what differentiates the spirit beings in heaven....after all Jesus is a morning star........I believe u know that....??...

hahaha, u want to equate Jesus to the angels wu worship him abi?

Yahweh has no equals...not before,not now and for all eternity........

really Then how come Jesus has d fulness of his fadas deity? Not a measure but d fulness

If u ever equate Jesus with Yahweh,be ready to equate we humans with Jesus......

Ready??

We all share 1 common trait with Jesus.....we all were made in the image of Yahweh....

what is new here When Jesus came to earth he was as man and like us in everything except sin. He took our nature, he became our brother and according to the human nature he took he was "less than the angels" but as God the angels worship him.

But that can't be said of Yahweh ofcus who is the maker of everybody with Jesus included...

so in ur dictionary begotten equals "made" abi?? It was for people like u that d council of nicea said, "GOD FROM GOD, LIGHT FROM LIGHT, TRUE GOD FROM TRUE GOD, BEGOTTEN NOT MADE"

Ijawkid has jumped to conclusion

ijawkid: Now you are not agreeing that Yahweh is greater than Jesus....this is where the trinity has landed you.......

u see how u jump, a friend of mine will say u dey 'bè'. I have told u times without number that Jesus is Yahweh and that wen we discuss u shuld refer to d fada as fada, to d son as son, bt u hav decided to confuse issue, yes my friend by relation the father is greater than the son and by nature the father is equal to the son. I said d same thing wen i told u earlier that even if jonathan is higher in rank than myself he is equal to me by nature. Did u miss it or did u close ur eyes

Yahweh given Jesus all power doesn't mean Yahweh remain powerless....the point is

Yahweh gave Jesus,Jesus never had it....if u had your thinking caps on you would have noticed that........

this is a joke it is like saying papa ijawkid gave ijawkid human brain, before papa ijawkid did ijawkid didnt have brain. That is a silly reasoning, instead by the fact (ipso factum) that papa ijawkid beget ijawkid he gave ijawkid (genetic transmission) his reasoning abilities.
By the very fact that the fada eternally begat his son he also gave him by right all divine power, and authority.

Yahweh is not only greater than Jesus by rank...in evry way Yahweh is greater......

dis u havent proved, u havent even show me how christ can posses d fulness of d Godhood state yet u claim he isnt God.

Even if we hold on to your point that Yahweh is only greater than Jesus by rank,it still means Yahweh is greater than Jesus.....Jesus will be a subordinate to Yahweh forever...mark those words ""FOREVER"".......

(chuckle) and how does this support u By relation, d fada is, has been and alway will be "father of the only begotten son". Thus greater by relation or rank and still equal by nature.

There is no time Jesus will be equal to his GOD and Father.......

now u are ranting

Jesus cannot be equal to his GOD and Father....

by d fact that Jesus posses d fulness of d deity he is already equal to the father.

The trinity has finished you........

hahaha, see who is talking,

Yahweh engaging his son in creation for. The son,only shows Yahweh as a loving Father is entrusting his son with tasks and responsibilities.....ofcus Jesus is the 1st born of all creation.........that doesn't mean Yahweh is not the grand master and creator who caused the existence of Jesus....

u havent establish anything new, it has already been established that d fada begat his son.

Jesus lives because of the Father....Yahweh can kill Jesus if he wants to...he holds Jesus' life.........

hahaha, u mean to say God can kill himself abi? Hahahaha, so d fada wu posseses d fulness of d deity will kill his son wu posses the same fulness. Hahah u have forgotten that by nature God is immortal abi?
You see ur proble u read half and half. You were very quick to read that the son was caused to exist (begotten) by his father but u closed ur eyes an was blind to the fact that the son has life in himself, he is self sustained now read scripture as it shows us that among the stuff the fada gave d son was a self sustained life just like the fada, i remember i told u how scripture said d fada gave all to the son. Now open ur eyes and see. John 5:26
"for as the father has life in himself so he has granted the son also to have life in himself"
wow!!! Ijawkid this dude Jesus is self sustained u cant cut d rope of his existence. Wow! He is God

Yahweh can kill every being in heaven and on earth............he is the almighty......not even Jesus can beat that.......

Jesus is almighty that is what my bible says. Jesus is also God say my bible. And incase u forgot Jesus also have power and authority over all creatures in heaven and on earth.

Get that into your skull....

sorry friend, none of ur so called points can stand.

ijawkid: You are just struggling to explain the begotten.....

You didn't not begin life the same time with your parents who begot u......true or false??

ijawkid u are kidding me.

Revelations 3:14 clearly says Jesus is the beginning of Yahwehs creative works.....

go and check well the word there is "arche" and it means source not effect, so well understood that passage says Jesus is the source of creation, besides the father uses the word "arche" wen he says "im d begining and d end" does that make the father a creature Learn to read and read with understanding.

Like I always tell u......the begetter must be greater and must exist b4 the begotten.....

and there is no "before" in eternity

That premise is always correct.....
Jesus never existed simultaneously the same time with his Father....that is heresy......!!!!....

this is where u display ignorance, prior to "the beginning" d fada son and spirit didnt exist in time, they did in eternity, eternity is outside time, without duration, eternity has neither begining nor end that is why God is eternal, wen i say d father beget d son from all eternity, i also imply that the son is without begining or end.

Jesus had a beginning.....some1 kick started Jesus' life.......

John 5:57
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"As the living Father sent Me, and I"" live""
because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he
also will live because of Me.
........

Its because of Yahweh Jesus ever existed.......

Jesus lives because the Father who is the source of life kick started Jesus' existence...

For you to be denying this only shows what the trinity dogma has done to you....

hahaha, u are the one wu do not understand the concept of eternity, d inability to grasp eternity has nting to do with me.

And I will tell you again that Jesus isn't all powerful.......he recieves power from some one higher than him.....

u are missing up tenses again, he doesnt "recieves" no! He "recieved" past tense.

And Jesus isn't all knowing.....

He doesn't know when the end will come...only 1 person knows,and that person isn't Jesus.....

and yet the bible say Jesus knows all things
peace and gudmarwin

ijawkid: Hey bro in terms of nature(spirit beings) all the angels in heaven are like God....

u gat to be kidding me!!! Are you saying that the angel also posses the fulness of the deity?

That's not the issue......

u just made it an issue. So what is made, a handiwork has the same nature with the maker, wow!! Ijawkid has d same nature with d stuff "he made out of nothing". Wow!!!

The issue here is Yahweh is greater than Jesus.....and u are still trying to water that down.......that is exactly what the trinity is doing to you...

i u cant seem to put ur bible down and see how two persons of d same nature can be greater than or less than.

Yahweh would be greater than Jesus in rank,power,knowledge etc for all eternity...

really Jesus said "ALL the father has is mine" how come u think there was something d fada hid from his only bgotten son?

Don't u get it??

nothing for me "to get"

Jesus was the agent Yahweh used in creation......

this is a joke, do u know that creation was created "for christ". Yes all is from the father thru d son and for the son. Do u need scripture passages to prove that? So how come creation is for d 'agent' God used? U are nolonger logical.

An agent cannot be as powerful as the oga who gave him the priviledge of being an agent....

hahaha, he is creator by d fact that he is God and posses d fullness of d state. Not just an agent, he esecuted created and creation was "for him".

That's what u fail to understand......
The owner of a house who appoints an agent to bring tenants into his house must be greater than the agent he appointed...

he is also equal to the agent by nature, he is only greater than d agent by rank.
Did u get that

Common sense should tell you that...

There is nothing that Jesus has that he didn't receive......

there is nothing i have i didnt recieve from my parents yet by human nature i am also their equal and as a human deserve d dignity that shuld b accorded to humans.

Mark my words.....the Father gave Jesus everything Jesus owns and have....

im aware of this, im also aware that the fada gave all to the son all not some

Starting from life....

i already said he was begotten, this isnt news.

ijawkid: The word begot squashes everything........

really For me it build everything, to begat is to cause to be from ur own substance, to begat is to generate ur replica in biology ur very specie, the father begat is son from all eternity, why wont the son have d fullness of his father's state or nature?? He posseses nature that has no bgining and will have no end becos it is his fadas nature. That is what eternal means.

There is no need for Jesus to be begotten if He(Jesus) never had a beginning...

ofcuz d divine state is from d fada, how can that state have a bgining?

That word explains everythin........

Jesus himself says he is the beginning of the creation of God........there is the 1 true God(Yahweh) and there is Jesus who is the beginning of the creative works of that 1 true God(Yahweh)

just give me quotes.

Jesus had a start,he was beggotten....we don't know when but he did have a start...Yahweh is the source that kick started Jesus's existence.....

u mean d fada generated a person frm his substance and u are telling me that the father's substance has a bging

If u knew Jesus was exalted and appointed as king of Gods kingdom and as well given power how can you say Jesus is all powerful.....??you can't receive what u already have.....that would be madness!!!!!

are u sure about that becos d son glorified d fada even though d fada wasnt lacking glory.

Jesus himself says" all power has been given to me"".....everything Jesus has he received.....
He received power,recived kingdoms(which he still handed back to his giver) and life......
Do u still want scriptures to prove all that??I think you know those scriptures

and i explained that by recieving d fulnes of his father's Godhood state he recieved all that came with with. That is how he recieved all from the fada.

And you dodged the all knowing and all-good part of the debate.....
Is Jesus all knowing ??
No stammer o....

i already answered this, ipso factum that he posses the fulness of d divine nature he also posseses the fullness of the divine attributes including knowledge.
So yes Jesus is all knowing.
Did i stammer??

ijawkid: Ok so u said the only aspect of life in which you are equal to GEJ is that you are both humans(flesh and blood)...right??

beautiful

But abeg tell me in which other way you are equal to GEJ......

1.....Power
2...Age
3...Authority

this is the reason why philosophers say "all analogies limp" i cant successful explain equality accding to nature by using human nature as example but that is how far it goes becos human and divine nature are different. Ipso factum that the fada is God he posseses supreme Power, because supreme power over all creation is accding to the divine nature ipso factum. If power, authority e.tc. Possesed by d very fact of having d Godhood state then truly christ accding to nature posses supreme power, authority and dominion given to him by right by his fada ipso factum that he has been given and has the fullness of the Godhood state. It is in that sense that he (JESUS) is truly all powerful as he posses power over all that was created by him.

All the spirit creatures in heaven are spiriÞ beings,but ofcus we know who came b4 who....

Jesus saying the Father is greater than he is means the Father is over all.........

You cannÓt just say because all beings are spirits in heaven just as Yahweh is,then you start pin pointing equality.......

Yahweh is greater than every being.....He is the God of everybody...

Accept that......Jesus renders services to Yahweh there in the heavens........Jesus is not co -equÀl with the Father....stop holdÍng on to this dignity rubbish.......accept that Jesus will be Yahwehs subordinate for all eternity....read 1 coriÑthians 15:24-28 till you understand

i thought in the first paragraph u agreed to equality by nature in the last paragraph u jumped back again. Beside different "ranks" doesnt disprove the equality accding to nature. Hope u know that. So pointing to scriptures that describe the father as "head", "God", "my God" and d son as "subject" or "servant" doesnt disprove anything.

ijawkid: So u mean u've been blind to the numerous scriptures that prove that Jesus isn't all knowing,all powerful and all good like the Father??

really? I can find ur "numerous" scripture, where are they?? Did u hid them somewhere.

Now go pick up your bible and read.......
Jesus is not co-equal with his Father,only the trinity deludes you into thinking that..........

For your information Jesus is doing his high priest Job in the heavens and pleading on behalf our sorry azzes to the almighty Yahweh.......

hahaha, my bible also say christ is almighty, and im not suprised that christ has his role in heaven. He was d one wu took our nature so he is reponsible for mediating for us.

Remove the veil of trinity and see clearly that Jesus isn't all knowing and all powerful and all good..........

u havent provided ur numerous scripture, where is it?

My reasoning facaulty is installed in me by Yahweh....

Jesus being the logos does not mean that Jesus was inside of Yahweh b4 Yahweh vomitted him out........Jesus according to your doctrine is a seperate being........

So Yahweh existed b4 Jesus,while Yahweh begot Jesus.....that is why Jesus is called begotten.....abi begoTten for your language don change meaning??

i corrected you the last time but u decided to repeat ur mistake the term "before" and "after" refers to time. The son was bgotten from all eternity, there is nothing like before and after in eternity becos eternity is outside time. So telling me that d fada exist "before" the son is a silly statement becos u cant b "before" in eternity.