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ijawkid: Ubeni u fail bro........


Jesus doesn't know when the end will come.....

Jesus recieves power,authority,kingdoms, from his God(Yahweh).....

Jesus isn't all knowing and all powerful.......

It seems u threw your bible away........

And mind u Yahweh never called Jesus ""my God""........



Jesus called Yahweh ""my God"" more than 10times in the bible....

The hebrews 1:6 u quoted never ever said Yahweh called Jesus ""my God""...

Infact the reverse was the case........

There says Jesus has a God who annointed Him....

Go read your bible bro and throw away fables.....

Jesus isn't all knowing and all powerful....

Yahweh is........

If Jesus was equal to God in rank and everything he doesn't need to be annointed....

The one annointing and the annoitee can't be equal.....

u have jumped, we havent finished d dignity stuff and u are jumping to knowledge the father said to his son "ur throne O GOD is for ever", the father also calls the son "God".
Peace

ijawkid: ...

No way....

Jesus was begotten ,meaning Yahweh existed b4 Him.....

Except u want to change d word ""begot""....

he was eternally begotten, there is nothing 'before' wen we talk of eternity.

If not Jesus won't call his mate or his equal ""My GOD""

d fada also calls his son God heb 1

Jesus won't wait for his equal to give Him power...

Yahweh is more powerfull than Jesus....

where did u hear this.

Yahweh is all-knowing,Jesus isn't...

Jesus is all knowing, were did u get this?

They are not and never equal.....

U get it??

they are equal in dignity

And when I say angels were begotten it means they are all sons of God ......

they arent begotten

Both Jesus and the angels are spirit sons of God...

and im also a son of God, but neither man nor angel is d begotten son of God christ is

And your clinging too much with this diginity stuff...

I wanna hear u tell me that Jesus is equal with his dad in terms of power and knowledge ,....

Can u try that??

we havent resolved d dignity stuff, i dont want to jump.

ijawkid: Lol...

And what do u understand by the word fullness of deity.....??

it means he fully possessed the Godhnod state.

Jesus is a morning star, the same with angels ...

All subordinates of Yahweh

they all share the same Father and God....

They are all divine.....

so u think Jesus and angels are equal abi? Tell me why has d fada neva said of any angel "i begot u" and y are d angels to worship Jesus if u claim they are equal?
Answer...

Johnchike: If you carefully study the Pauline or Johannine christology, you would truly understand who Jesus is. In colossians 1:15-20, it says and i quote; "CHRIST IS THE VISIBLE LIKENESS OF THE INVISIBLE GOD.....,FOR THROUGH HIM GOD CREATED EVERYTHING IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH, the seen and unseen things, including spiritual powers, lords, rulers, and authorities. GOD CREATED THE WHOLE UNIVERSE THROUGH HIM AND FOR HIM.......FOR IT WAS BY GOD'S OWN DECISION THAT THE SON HAS IN HIMSELF THE FULL NATURE OF GOD".

abeg help me tell dem.

[quote author=yong_noble]thanks[/quote]you are most welcome.

frosbel: 3 People on one throne

I go die ooo

na ur copy and paste write up wey talk say Jesus christ sit dan for d same throne wey e papa sit down put. If ur copy and paste correct that one min say 2 people dey for on throne. Read again i talk say "if ur arguement is true then more than one person sits on one throne".
I just alerted u to ur own arguement. Dont shout because i pointed out what ur arguement said.

Reyginus: You didnt answer the question.
You are dodging.

watch out, u will soon b branded a scoffer or ur name may be added to the list of the pharisees.

obadiah777: scriptures is not for people like you Ube. the lord spoke about you. this is what he said

john 4 vs 48 Unless you people see miraculous signs and wonders," Jesus told him, "you will never believe well you aint about to see signs, wonders or obvious explanations in the bible because

pslams 78 vs 2 I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter hidden things so if you are spiritual, you will recieve the parables and hidden things but if you are not, which it is starting to look like you are not, then you will be looking for obvious things that are not hidden.

if you cant decipher what heaven will be like from this hidden verse then i cant help you Ube
revelations 2 vs 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

ok obadiah welldone u have decided to brand me as a scoffer wu is so abnormal that he shouldnt be discussed with and scripture shouldnt be shown to him. Since u have refuse and can never give me scripture that says there are sinner in heaven, i have decided to show u what d bible teaches.
Rev 21:4 he will wipe away every tear from their eyes and death shall be no more neither shall there be mourning nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.
How will people be wiped in a place where there can be no pain?
How come rev 21:8 says all those sinner wont make it to the new heaven and earth but will be in a lake "that burns with fir and sulphur"?
Rev 21:27 "but nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practices abomination or falsehood but only those who are written in the lamb's both of life"
add rev 22:14. Read scriptures and drop ur strange doctrine.
Peace

ijawkid: Its like saying ijawkid stole a pot of soup and ijawkid stole a pencil.......

not at all, it is not say anything like 'and' it says 'from'. Ijawkid stole a pot of soup from ijawkid / ijawkid stole a pencil from ijawkid like yahweh rained down fire...from yahweh. Tell me how that tally.

I am still the same person who stole a pot of soup and then some ones pencil....

no! U stole a pencil and a pot of soup from urself? How can that b d same person?

Look @ the verse...
.........
and Jehovah hath rained upon Sodom and
upon
Gomorrah brimstone and fire from
Jehovah,
from the heavens;

The fire ,brimstone all came forth from the Yahweh who resides in the heaven.....from the same person...


Not one person appearing in different forms...

did u also see that among d 3 wu came to abraham in d likeness of men one of them remained and the scriptures say he is yahweh?

Besides Yahweh has got angels who can go down to the earth for him....

very sweet excuse, so angels also use the divine name and can go about calling themselves yahweh?
Ijawkid ur dodging is puting u in serious trouble.

ijawkid: Ofcus Christ is less than his Father...

Abi u no know??

Hundreds of scriptures show that.....

If we are less than Jesus then Jesus is less than Yahweh.....

Hope u get it??

Your trying to make equal with his Father can't work because the bible doesn't support it.......

hahaha phil 2:6

And u are not equal to your parents in age...are u??

yet Jesus is equal to the father in time, they both existed before time was created and will exist forever. Infact time was created thru christ.

They existed b4 u did....did u exist b4 ur parents??

that cant be said of Jesus because there is No BEFORE in eternity.

Your parents are ahead of u and greater than you in life........

aha and yet im equal to them in dignity

Yahweh begot Jesus and so Jesus in no way is equal to his begetter......

sorry friend he is equal in dignity.

No way......

u forgot to shown me where u got the idea that the angel were begotten, please do so.

ijawkid: @ubenidictus....

Are the rest angels equals with Jesus??

Start answering.......

no, the angel never and donot posses the "fullness of the deity".

ijawkid: If God begets God, how can a begotten God be equal to his begetter??

because been begotten makes u posses the same nature as the begetter thus making u equal in dignity. My parents begot me and i am equal to them in dignity. And in that sense by my human nature i am equal in dignity to all humans.

How??
Do u hear yourself....??
Its written all over the bible...
Yahweh is greater than Jesus.......Yahweh is the God of Jesus....

No amount of scripture twisting can change that.......

this is because u have failed to understand that which u read

Yahweh begot Yeshua and for that singular reason Yehshua is less than his Father...

that mean u are less human than ur father because he begot u. It seem u are trying to say Christ is less God than his father becos he was begotter. Apply that stupid logic to urself and i will conclude that u are an animal because anything less than human falls into d animal category.

And a million times I've said that Jesus and all the angels in heaven are of the same nature with the Father...they are all divine ,and heavenly...

are u also going to tell me that the angels posses the fullness of the deity?

And they were all begotten by the Father....

my bible say Jesus is the only begotten and it also lets me know in the book of hebrew chapter 1 that no angel was begetten. All the angels were CREATED by God thru his only begotten son Jesus christ.
Ijawkid have u started to make ur own bible? the bible clearly shows us that d angels arent begotten. Give me scripture that support u, where do u base ur error?

But Yahweh is the God and Father of them all..

If u can understand this simple points u'll be free.....

Yahweh has no equals....he is the almighty...the almighty has no equals....

And I have asked u,if we humans are equal with Jesus...
You haven't answered.... .....

hope u didnt close ur eyes becos 2 post ago in my 2nd sentence, i answered that question.

ijawkid: How does this verse show there are 2 Yahwehs??

Genesis 19:24..

##World English Bible
Then Yahweh rained on Sodom and on
Gomorrah sulfur and fire from Yahweh out of
the sky.
.........
##Young's Literal Translation
and Jehovah hath rained upon Sodom and upon
Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Jehovah,
from the heavens;


If the trinity is not written all over your body why would u pick up gensis 19:24 to think that there are 2 Yahwehs...


That clear verse is talking about one and d same person...and that person is Yahweh......

Yahweh is one not 2.......

Stop cherry picking verses that don't support the pagan dogmata.....stop twisting verses to support your stance...

Both the brimstone,fire and sulphur came forth from the heavens where Yahweh resides....

Ubenidictus u surprise me a lot...

Oya start reciting deuteronomy 6:4 and mark 12:29 and let it sink in your head.....

##....Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Yeshua said to him, “The first of all the
commandments: 'Hear Israel, THE LORD
JEHOVAH your God, THE LORD JEHOVAH,
he is One.' “...

Keep reciting until u get over the trinity.....

Thank u sir.....

hahaha, i have done my share of bible recitals, i took a liking for d shema, it went futher, u must teach it 2 ur children and put it on ur door post etc, a great passage, i dont need to recite it again, it is crytal clear and i understand it God is one. Yahweh is one. It doesnt contradict d fact that yahweh revealed himself in more than one person.
The verse in question is saying yahweh rain fire from yahweh, can u hear and see that. Can u say "ubenedictus ...(performed an action)...from ubenedictus? Like saying "ijawkid stole a pot of soup from ijawkid". Unless there a 2 ijawkids then is it impossible for ijawkid to steal from ijawkid in d strict sense. Unless 2 person answer yahweh then it is illogical for yahweh to rain down fire from yahweh.
Peace

chukwudi44: but the only valid baptism
is in river water or sea

Can you please substantiate this assertion and why did you refer to cathplicism as a cult?

cult have many meanings, among them good meaning. I can say all religions are cults.

ijawkid: U've been hanging too much on mum and dad analogy....

Try using Jesus and us(men) to explain equality...

Are we and Jesus equal??

Please answer.....

Despite the fact that we are brothers with Jesus simply because we share d same Father and God with Him,does that make us equal??

I'll tell you one thing that the trinity won't let u see...

Yahweh and Jesus are not equal...

Its all over the scriptures....and if u can't see it,then what more can a man do??....

There is nothing Jesus has that he didn't get from the Father...

Is it authority??

Is it power??

Is it life??

Is it rulership??

Name it.............

Jesus can't and will never be equal to the 1 person who gave Him all he has....

A slave cannot be equal to his master...

all humans are equal in dignity whether slave or master.

Jesus is not equal with God.....we(men) are not equal with Jesus......

The chain goes on and on....

The minute u claim Jesus is equal with God,be ready to agree that man is equal with Jesus.....
Yahweh is the Father and God of Jesus and all of us.......
I'll quote 1 corinthians 15:24-28 again and again.....
That verse talks about the end.....
When Yahweh will show that he is over everybody......
He will show trinitarians that he has no rival,no equals......he will show many that he aint co-equal with anybody,not even His son....
Thank you.....

my friend, as man Jesus was like us, the same human nature, the same equal human dignity. He is only greater than us in his divine nature because he was also God "the fulnes of the deity dwelt in him" that is how christ is infinitely greater than us. The father is the source/origin of the divinity, he beget Jesus christ from all eternity, so all the son has comes from the father and the father is the head, has monachia over the son. That is it, the father is head over the son, and since they have the same nature (GOD begets GOD) Jesus has the same dignity of nature. My dad is d head of my mum and my mum is equal in dignity to my dad. I am also equal to my dad in dignity cos i have d same human nature, im not an animal. This is what st paul said in corithians, "the head of the woman is man and the head of christ is God", just as man and woman are equal in dignity so is d fada and Christ.
It is there in black and white, u have closed your eyes from seeing and ur mind from understanding.
Peace

"yahweh made it rain fire an brimestone on sodom and gomorrah from yahweh"
that is very clear "yahweh rained fire...from yahweh" u are trying to dodge. Tell me how come there are two persons answering yahweh in that passage.

Frosbel makes his arguement and defeat the same arguement. One throne accding to u yet more than one person sits on that one throne. That means more than one person posses all that that one throne signifies. If ur arguement is true, it doesnt contradict but support d trinitarian position. One God in 3 persons, one throne sat on by more than one person. If your arguement is true it support d trinity what belongs to the father belongs to the son, including the throne. It implies shared dominion and soveriengty. Infact my bible tells me that the angels in heaven worship Christ Jesus heb 1:6, my bible say Jesus will never change and his years will never end heb1:12 do u know that d same is said of the father?

truthislight: when the holy spirit talks it is God that is talking (when your hand or leg do something it is you that does that)

the holy spirit talks through a medium Man. = (God talk through man)

Jesus christ use the spirit to talk to human also.

Satan also used his spirit(power) to talk through the serpent in the garden of eden.

The hand and leg of spirit creatures is the "spirit"

(in a central sense, the word "spirit" means that this spirit creatures and their activities/power are invisible)
but "holy" spirit is a reference to God's active force.

there is good and bad spirit(power use for good or bad ends)

when the spirit of God(power of God) is upon someone and the person speaks accordingly, it can be said that the "spirit speaks" Acts 15.

Even possible for God to used his power(spirit) to make animal to talk.

It is this force/life force (God's spirit) that keeps us alive

this force/spirit belongs to almighty God, so it goes back to God when we die.
(like saying Electric power authority has taken power/light)

how come an impersonal force is a "he"?

Have u finished?

ijawkid: Is there any other definition of greater than??
Please if u've got better scriptures bring them out......
Deuteronomy 6:4 tells u how many Yahweh we have....so don't run around or quote genesis 19:24 out of context....

hahaha, 1 God in 3 persons so i believe, u are trying to dodge the fact that genesis mentions 2 persons answering d name yahweh "and yahweh rained down fire and brimestone of sodom and gomorrah from yahweh in heaven". Deal with it.

If the trinity dogma veil would let you know Yahweh isn't distinct from himself u wouldn't quote that verse and read spurious meanings into it....

u have refused to give u nonspurious meaning to the fact that two persons were identified as yahweh.

Genesis says it was Yahweh who made it rain down fire and sulphur on sodom and gomorrah....

Where else was Yahweh if not in heaven??...

gen 18:22 "so d men turned from there and abraham still stood before yahweh"
gen18:33"and yahweh went his way wen he had finish speaking to abraham and abraham went to his place". Haha, go on and argue, if yahweh was on earth in d form of a man.

Yahweh rained down sulphur and fire on sodom.....
There has never been a time Yahweh left his lofty position.....

gen 18:33, the epiphanies of the old testament shows us that yahweh was on earth in d form of a man.

Please read deuteronomy 6:4 and stick to it...

##World English Bible
Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God; Yahweh is
one:
.......
##Young's Literal Translation
Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one
Jehovah;


We have only one Yahweh......

that is the shema, "shema o israel", it doesnt contradict my position either, one God in 3 persons.

Don't come here speading this heresy of Yahweh been the surname of a triune Godhead...
That is against the scriptures......

u are d person contradicting scripture and have fail to explain how come two person have d name yahweh in gen19:24

No Jew would ever agree with u...not even Jesus...

im not a jew im a christian, and i certainly remember that the jews tried to stone Jesus for calling himself d begotten of God because by that title they said "he claimed equality with God".

Read deuteronomy 6:4 until u learn to let the bible answer your questions and not a pagan trinity....

det6:4 doesnt contradict me

And as regards The Father greater than Jesus....that is a fact that the bible also lucidly points out...

The father is greater than Jesus in every way....

hahaha, u added "in every way". Have u started writting ur own bible?

It seems since we've been quoting 1 corinthians 15:24-28 you've been closing your eyes.......

Jesus will be subject to the Father for all eternity....

my mum is subject to my dad accding to scriptures yet they posses equal dignity. A slave isnt greater than d master and yet that doesnt master greater that human. He and his slave has equal dignity becos they posses d same nature, of men born of women none is greater than john, that doesnt make john more than human. He is still equal in dignity to others. And yes the father has d "monachia" in the trinity so that everyone is 'subject' to him and doesnt make him more of a God than christ Jesus.

You can add 1 corinthians 11:3 if you want to....

How u want to water down the word ""Greater"" is what is getting me surprised...

i didnt water down anything, i simply showed u how both can posses equal dignity and yet the father still has d 'monachia' or leadership.

talk2xp: @Matrix789: Faith is not a tangible substance like a car or a house,so why the rage?
Remember that Jesus is God almighty so it does not matter what people say.
i must strive to enter and be with him one day.

This is the height of the madness. Where in the Holy Bible did Christ say this? I mean in his own word. You are seriously pissing me off. You call Christ "God Almighty"? Are you high on some substance or what? What do you take God for? Abeg, abeg, abeg I take God beg you, dont ever say this again before you bring spell to this world. You wan turn God to see finish abi. This is so dumb!

john 1:1-14

chukwudi44: What do you mean by that? Who told you I don't read the bible.I only posted a link for you to read up the history of bible translations and you are talking rubbish

truthislight has started, he was the person wu said the catholic church didnt translate the bible, wen proof is provided that the church did, he decided to dodge by saying "read the bible". Truthislight pls make a honest discussion and stop jumping up and down with comments like "read the bible", did chukwudi tell u that he didnt read scriptures?

Reyginus: I think I understand where the problem lies.
Greatness is not the same thing as holiness brother.
Maybe we should start from you explaining to us how, why and what makes them synonymous?

i think i also get ur point, there is a difference betwn greatness and holiness.

seriallink: Thanks there bro, Infact that was what I was tryna' explain to Reyginus; I have created a separate thread for it, let us not derail Obadiah's thread, I never knew he was talking about the possibility of sinning in Heaven

I vehemently beleive there is a hierarchy in Heaven which was why Jesus talked about least & great in the Kingdom of Heaven (Matthew 5:19); every man would be rewarded according to his works!

amen

For those wu may want to see what tertullian said, below is the work that was quoted [url]http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0301.htm[/quote]the quote was taken from chapter 21, if u read well u will find that tertullian taught the logos was a divine person not just an attribute of God.
Peace

Ihedinobi: I love Ubenedictus's responses.

thanks

Jesus made no bones about the fact that what He brought was necessarily personal. Our tendency to form groups is the natural result of finding that other people have the same focus as oneself. Christianity, even granted that it can be called a religion at all, is no civic thing. It is a very personal relationship that one has with God.

i believe christianity is both personal and communal.

I see your point. One thing that Jesus kept saying of His disciples was that they were not of this world. In other words, they're emissaries from another Place/Kingdom/Nation or journeying men passing through the various cities or nations of this earth in which they may be found. As such, they relate with the customs of the city or nation just like the City to which they owe their allegiance relates to said city or nation. Their civic duty then is defined not by their bodily presence in some geopolitical entity but by their citizenship of Heaven.

pilgrims must live their footprint on d soil

If Tertullian said that, he made subtle errors. A human's word is a verbal expression of his thought. In one sense, this is true of the Logos, in another it isn't. The Word is eternally the expression of God's Thought. If you like, that is His Function, but He is no inanimate idea which was transformed into a human being or any being at any point.

i think we need to put tertullian in context before we condemn him

You are aware, I believe, of Jesus's words to the Samaritan woman, right? To the effect that Samaritans worshipped what they didn't know. What did He go on to say? That God is a Spirit and as such can only be worshipped in spirit and in truth. Truth is of interest here. This is why Jesus's commission to the believers included teaching.

There are two things necessary to keep in mind about truth. The truth that Jesus speaks about is absolute, one. And two, it is truth that should be mentally appreciated. The former ensures elimination of corruption, the latter enables growth.

It is impossible to worship the God of our Lord Jesus if we do not understand Him. Personal relationship includes and, in fact, demands mental intercourse. Therefore must we who are Christians strive to know Him Who has called us and redeemed us and why He has. We may make mistakes as we learn, but the "absoluteness" of the Truth that we have received will always pull us back to the correct. That is how we come into full fellowship with God.

i couldnt put it clearer.
Beautiful words.

obadiah777: I GUESS YOU ARE NOT SPIRITUAL ENOUGH TO RECIEVE IT THEN. LETS TRY ONE MORE TIME

u are unable to explain ur belief and ur explanation is that im not "spiritual enough". Weldone the spiritual one, who is now behaving like a pharisee? Besides u havent given me the list of the pharisees yet.

ECCLESIASTES 1 VS 9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

ECCLESIASTES 6 VS 10 Whatever has been is named already, and it is known that this is man

this doesnt help your case either. It is appointed unto man to die once and after that comes judgement heb9:27. My bible tell me that there is no pain and no tears in heaven and new earth rev 21:4, nothing impure in heaven, no uncleaniness, the sinners are outside heaven rev21:8 rev21:27, rev22:15. There is no impurity there. Or obadiah have u made ur own bible?

obadiah777: YOU DO KNOW THAT EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD WILL MAKE IT INTO HEAVEN RIGHT ? HEAVEN IS NOT SOME IDEALIZED EXTRA HOLY PLACE IN THE SKY. HEAVEN IS ON EARTH WITH RIGHTEOUS LEADERSHIP. WHEN THE LEADERSHIP ON EARTH IS HOLY, THE EARTH BECOMES HOLY AND PUNISHMENT IS ADMINISTERED SWIFTLY AND PROMPTLY AND EFFECTIVELY WITHOUT PREJUDICE ACROSS THE BOARD. THIS IS WHAT HEAVEN IS. BELIEVE IT OR NOT BUT SOME OF THESE FOOLS WILL TRY TO SIN WHEN THAT LEADERSHIP HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED AND THEY WILL GET SWIFT JUDGEMENT.

SEE YOU NEED TO DETACH FROM THAT ROMAN CATHOLIC DOGMA OF HOLY PEOPLE WILL MAKE IT TO HEAVEN WHILE SINNERS WILL BE PUT IN A SEPERATE PLACE CALLED HELL. WHEN BIBLE SPEAKS OF 'NEW HEAVEN' IT IS REFERING TO 'NEW LEADERSHIP'. NOW THOSE WHO DONT MAKE IT WILL BE PUT IN HELL BUT IT IS A CONDITION NOT A PLACE.

in my short time on nairaland i have learnt that everybody wu cant prove his point has found a way to pin the issue on the catholic church. Do you mind showing me where the bible says that "those in heaven can sin"?

Reyginus: I dont understand how the verse in quote, relates with the ability to sin in heaven.
Explain.

i thought i was the only person wu is seeing that obadiah arguement isnt scriptural

seriallink: Matthew 5:19 talks about being least or Great in the Kingdom of God. So, I think people who are holier would be greater in the Kingdom of God; their rewards won't be the same as the others!

ofcourse there are different rewards, in heaven scriptures say "according to your works" also different authority. But nowhere did scripture talk about sinner in heaven, that idea is alien to and against scriptures.

obadiah777: OH BUT MY BROTHER YOU ERR

MALACHI 3 VS 18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not..

this doesnt even support ur stance

THERE IS A HUGE PRICE FOR REJECTING GOD. THE HUGE PRICE IS YOU WILL BE A SUBJECT WITH FREEWILL TO BE BAD BUT WITH THE REMOVAL OF GRACE IT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE TO SIN BECAUSE YOU WILL BE JACKED UP PRONTO. SO BASICALLY YOU ARE STEWING IN YOUR OWN DESIRES AND LUSTS AND CANT DO NOTHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE THE ROD OF IRON IS STARING YOU IN THE FACE. THATS HELL.

wow, u really need to bring those verse that support u so we can see them. Have u started making things up?

Wow! Wow! Wow! I just saw this, 'the list of pharisees? Wow! I didnt know nairaland had such a list, can u give me all the names on the list?

obadiah777: UBENEDICTUS YOU HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE LIST OF NAIRALAND PHARISEES. A FEW REINCARNATION SCRIPTURES FOR YOU. IF YOU ARE SPIRITUAL ENOUGH YOU WILL RECIEVE IT

JOHN 9 VS 2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Teacher, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

hahaha, this doesnt even ref. Reincarnation, the question is becos d jew believed (u may see it in the bible) that the fault of d parent can b visited on d children to d 4th generation.

REVELATION 1 VS 7 Behold, he comes with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also who pierced him: and all tribes of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

this is the 2nd coming of christ there is no mention of reincarnation there. Or are u telling me that wen u 'reincarnated' u decended frm d clouds and everyone saw u?

ECLESIASTES 3 VS 15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

this doesnt support u either, it is telling us that in God everything is in the present, and everything is preconcieved. reincarnation isnt there my friend.

THE BIBLE IS NOT OVERT, IT IS COVERTLY WRITTEN IN HIDDEN WORDS AND PHRASES. THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE NOT DECIPHERED REINCARNATION TELLS ME YOU ARE NOT SPIRITUAL ENOUGH. YOU NEED TO DO MORE WORK ON YOUR STUDIES UBENEDICTUS, AFTERALL SCRIPTURE DO SAY 'STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED'.

PSALMS 78 VS 2 I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter hidden things, things from of old-

hahahaha, it is given unto man to die once and after that comes judgement. If u like believe u will die 20times, my bible didnt say that.

redsun: Bokoharam bishops that thinks backward.The crucifixion signifies sacrifice and humility that applies to all,not just jesus.Jesus is not the beginning of the story,it is the story of life that has been ever since man started imagining.There is nothing desecrating or unholy about it,except to the very deluded and wharped minds.

i knw u will b very happy if i photoshoped u mum and put up another persons face in her photo. U will b very joyfull. Can u pls send me a photo of ur mum? After altering it i will gladly put it on nairaland.
Peace