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ijawkid: Please u both should put on your thinking caps and read deuteronomy 6:4........and stop living in mysteries........

When you can't prove a pagan doctrine you call it a mystery....

Jesus said to his fellow worshippers ""listen O isreal,Yahweh our God is 1 Yahweh"".....

Recite that same creed and forfeit the trinity...it dulls every adherent .......

i think u have dull ur brain so u cant see what is right in front of u.

ijawkid: This is heresy......

There are no 3. Persons in 1 God.....not @ al!!!!!!............l

The bible till today doesn't support this...........

Rather it is ""listen O isreal,Yahweh our GOD is 1 Yahweh""...

this simply says Yahweh is one it doesnt even exclude the posible of more than one person in Yahweh. U didnt proof ur position.

ijawkid: You can't worship 2 persons...that 'll be idolatry.....

Honour and revere Jesus the high priest of God ,but give full worship to Yahweh.......

Yahweh is the only true God....abi u never read that part for bible??

and i also noticed that the name Yahweh doesnt refer to one person. Christ didnt just ask for honor, he ask to be honor even as his father. How do u honor d fada. My bible says "let the angels worship him" even d angel worship christ wow!

Johnchike: I wouldn't write much again about the glorious divinity of Jesus Christ. If you have a bible, just read Hebrews 1:4-14, colossians 1:15, John 1:1-18, John 5:23, Isaiah 9:6-7, i doubt if you will ever read them, but that's your business. It is silly for you to post such errors about the origin of the church.

In Matthew 16:18-19 Jesus told Peter, "and so i tell you, Peter: you are a rock, and on this rock foundation I will build my church, and not even death will ever be able to overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; what you prohibit on earth will be prohibited in heaven and what you permit on earth will be permitted in heaven." there was a temple already, and the temple and/or synagogue had people that worshipped God, even Jesus taught there, but He felt a need to build a new church(faithful people) that will correct and strenghten the faith of others. In John 14:6 Jesus said "I am the way". In Acts 9:2 Peter and his fellow disciples were members of the new church and were referred to as 'followers of the Way'. In Acts 11:26 the church expanded, Paul met with the people of the church and taught a large group. It was at Antioch that the believers were first called Christians.
In Acts 12:5 Herod put Peter in jail, but 'the people of the church' were praying earnestly to God for him, and peter was released by an angel of God. The church continued spreading forever, in 101 AD, St. Ignatius of antioch gave this 'church' a name. He called them 'Catholic'. It was Holy, Apostolic, Universal. This Church does three things when they meet, 1. They PRAISE God(worship, adoration), 2. Liturgy of the Word(Scripture, gospel), 3. Liturgy of the Holy Communion(Body of Christ)

on point!

amor4ce: I never alluded to any denial; try re-reading for comprehension.

@Ubenedictus, okay.

thanks.

frosbel: 95% of bibles are in total agreement, no please don't tempt me to talk about the Quran or even ISLAM , trust me I am always ready for this debate as well ,

Let us just say that the Bible , Jesus and PAUL support ONE GOD ONLY , but MEN , especially those wicked evil men in the Vatican have used tradition and paganism to corrupt their Catholicism.

nobody said God isnt 1

You are a Muslim so I expect you to know much about the Catholic crusades and how they massacred tens of thousands of Muslims, Christians and Jews who rejected their Pagan creeds.

frosbel are u kidding me Have u added distortion of historical facts to ur already long list of deeds Go and asked the muslim what caused the crusades, go and asked them, nobody asked muslims to accept any creed, even in the time of muhamed wen he was persecuted d muslim usually run to xtian states like constantinople, ask them if i am lying, yet the same muslims invaded constantinople and israel and imposed their religion, go and check history, they went futher, almost all the historical christain sees were invaded, alexander, constantinople and antioch, did i lie muslim? The crusade really started wen either xtians decide to liberate Jerusalem or wen the muslims decided to invade the west, the wanted to invade spain after they had succeeded in defeating the whole xtian east, wen the war at spain came the pope had to call a crusade and yet d xtians were outnumber but forced the muslims to retreat. Make research and stop making silly claims

frosbel: God is ONE , not THREE.

wu is debating that God is one? Frosbel!!!

frosbel: Okay.


Can you show me just ONE scripture where GOD , the prophets or Jesus suggested that GOD is 3.

I promise for everyone verse you bring , I will bring 20 verses from the same bible that confirm that GOD is ONE and he is the FATHER, YAHWEH, the owner and giver of LIFE , indeed there is none like him.

He loved us so much that he begat a Son with flesh and blood to save us from our sins and grant unto us eternal life.

God is LOVE.

nobody said God is 3, we said in one God there are 3 person. Learn to differentiate person from being

frosbel: But me , my soul and spirit equals to ONE Person not THREE , no ?


Trinity implies 3 Persons !

ofcus trinity implies 3 persons, humans have one being one person, animals have one being no person God is one being 3 distinct persons. I dont see nting illogical there, being is different from person. The father unoriginat and unbegotten, begat a son from all eternity and all things were created thru d son. The spirit is both of the father and son, he is lord and vivifier of life he is with us even today as an abiding sacrament(i.e reality) of divine presence. And these 3 persons are eternal.
Peace

frosbel: Sold by the catholic church along with Mary and other non-Christian doctrines and implemented by FORCE.

I hope you know that not only Muslims and Jews were killed for rejecting this madness, thousands of Christians who held to ONE GOD were burnt at the stake, tortured, exiled and humiliated.

hahaha! Frosbel take it easy, the catholic church didnt invade d houses of arians and modalist and ask them to accept the trinity, at nicea ae overall majority of christains made it clear that the good news handed to them identified that the father is God, the son is God and so is the holyspirit and that that same faith they recieved and profess says God is one. The borrowed the word other christians used in describing d reality, that is how the word "trinity" came about. Your history of muslims and jews are totally wrong. I cant remember d name of anybody that was killed by the catholic church becos he said he believed in one God, but i clearly remember that the protestant reformers calvin an luther were busy burning their fellow reformers for it.

henrychubayo: The word trinity, can anyone show me where it is in the bible. Should we adopt doctrine just because others are doing so. I need to see that word in the bible plz

u want to show me where d word bible is in d bible abi? U make me laugh

ijawkid: I once told a trinitarian here on this forum that a. Follower of christ must imitate Jesus in worshipping the God Jesus himself worshipped.......

Jesus set a fine example on how we should worship and who we should worship.....

Let all trinitarians remember::::

The God of Jesus Christ should be their and is their God..........

They should be humble enough to really follow Jesus........

and all christians must obey christ wu said that he shuld b honor as his fada is. The honor given to d fada is worship, the son asked for d same honor, are u xtian gonna tell christ he doesnt deserve it? Besides my bible tell me that the father confirms that all the angels shuld worship his son. Ijawkid u are on ur own here, both fada and son must be worship and glorified.
Peace

amor4ce: The envy by Igbo of Yoruba started way before the civil war and the former jump at any opportunity e.g. Achebe's comments, to justify such and their consistent failure at domination. The Igbo are the ones who have been migrating to Yorubaland and insulting us. They have also been insulting the Hausa-Fulani who historically have little tolerance for such nonsense. They speak of the Edo as if they are insignificant. They are the most boastful people in Nigeria and perhaps Africa. They provoked the northerners to slaughter them. Did they not introduce unitary system, and thus contributed massively to the undermining of the federal system of governance? yet they cry marginalization - karma I guess. How did they even come about the figure of 2-3 million fatal Igbo civil war victims, considering their exceeding boasts about their population?

concerning the bolded, please u shouldnt add the edo to whatever beef d north, west and east are having, edos are happy to live in their ancient kingdom and state, wen u guys are fighting remember to leave edos out of the war. The edos know wen to boast and wen to be silent, this isnt boast time, it is time sue for peace.

tintingz: Lol. . .so some gospel were hidden by the early church to decieve christians. . .no wonder the bible is so corrupt a book claim to be inspired by God is chosen and compiled by men? While there are many corrupts hadiths written by many enemies of Mohammed(SAW) that has many false, lies about him buh still this corrupt hadiths were not hidden nor destroyed by early Muslims

hahaha, u want to open the cans of worms or what? The gospels that appeared in the 7th cent. Writting by muslim to discredit the bible, did u hear of that? Keep ur mouth to yourself. Besides i didnt say the church fathers hid anything, those are ur words.

I see you have delibrately closed your brains

plaetton: Do you see how funny and ridiculous the above sounds?.
God inspired and dictated gospels, then self appointed men, vetted the gospels and selected which ones were good enough, right?

these are you words not mine. After the apostles had died (John died abt 100ad) some people decided to write their own "gospels" some ascribed their work to some long dead apostle while other pen their work in their name. The was one wu claimed to be the holy spirit incarnate. So yes it was the work of the church to sort out the different books and bring forth the one that clearly declear d faith. Such books are today called "the bible".

In other words, the early churchmen gave us the bible.

put is d way it suites u.

Funny.
And all this while, I had been made to believe that the bible was from god.

go and ask again, the books in the bible were inspired and the spirit lead church said so.

Thanks for that clarification.

And if I may ask, what makes a gospel true?

u are asking abt d canonicity. Among the criteria it must meet is that is must have been writting before the death of d last apostle, another is that it must present the faith of the church.

Boomark: This is where the thing hooked you. So you now want to jump from temporal human to permanent divine? when you don't have answers again. GEJ is your boss and you will continue to answer him 'sir' if you don't meet certain standards when he leaves office.

and my point still stands, by nature im equal to GEJ, all he can do by the very fact of being human i can do. If honor is due to us by the very fact that we are human then honor is due to me. I am equal to GEJ in dignity according to nature he is higher than me in temporal rank. So again my point stand the father can be equal to the son according to his dignity of nature and yet the father has a higher rank for the father is truly "father", "head" and "GOD". So as i said my point still stand equal by natured different by rank.
Peace

GhostFaceKiller: awo is dead. let him rest. we will not quarrel over dead men

ofcuz i would luv to leave d dead man alone, but since achebe is living in the past we need to look back and see how true is claims are. If we must move forward them we must learm from our past.
Peace

I refuse to comment on d last paragraph becos it will derail d thread, suffice to say u shuld make more research [quote author=mxxpunkxx!]Hmmn, if u gave this post to Pope John Paul, he would score me A1. I've read my bible more than 60times
from cover to cover . . so I know what I'm saying.[/quote]John paul is dead and if he was alive he would be busy explaining and trying to correct ur mistakes, if u give d same to st pio he will scream heresy!!! It is a pity hw much u read and hw little u understand

Jesus Christ isn't an angel . . so what's he? A God? a god? or a demon?
I hope you know jesus christ cannot be equated to Almighty God in all ramification. so definitely you can't call him God.
So you might think of him as a lesser god, but it doesn't make sense cos the head of the woman is man,
the head of every man is Christ, and the head of Christ is God. If he is God, he wouldn't have a head (or boss, leader etc)
He was the first of all creations, that;s why he's called MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL.
Which invariably means, the first of all angels. the supreme head of the angelic clan.
Unless of course, your English language is bad, you would definitely understand what I said above

GhostFaceKiller: why should the old generations war be our war?

Good question, the "old generations war" isn on ur head nor is it on my head. The old generation is reponsible for it. We d new generation must make sure it doesnt happen again

why are you taking side with the atrocious and genocidal Nigerian Army? Did the Ibos start the war?

im not taking sides, ofcuz d army comitted atrocities, can u show me a war without atrocities, but i doubt achebe's take on awolowo is even close to the truth.

CyberG: Mr man, I am sorry but you are wrong. You iboz abuse everyone else and we are tired and sick of it: WE NEED YOU TO DECLARE ANOTHER WAR. We will then solve the ibo problem with a final and total solution.

sorry my dear, im not a ibo guy nor a yoruba guy nor hausa, my tribe didnt participate in the biafra war, im from edo state. We watch and analyse situation we refuse to act in the heat of the moment or discriminate anybody because he is of a different tribe. Instead of war i opt for peace.

GhostFaceKiller: But starvation from a blockade is especially when those behind the blockade know of dying and starving children

nah, nah, nah, when people die as result of a blockade they are termed "casualties". Besides the federal government offered to allow a free road thru wish food could be passed to civilian, ojukwu refused because he wanted to win internation sympathy by presenting the ibos as staving, all wu died as a result of his refusal are on his head.
Do u even know what caused the blockade?

Goshen360: Thank you my brother. I will soon start to expose the falsehood of Trinity in some later thread. When people say Jesus is same as the father, this is heresy. I do not believe Jesus is the Father, I believe they are different BUT I stand by the bible truth that Jesus is God, The Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God. It is NOT one God playing 3 different roles and yet the bible teaches God is one. We will get there soon. Thank you.

goshen, i seems u are having problem differentiating concepts, the idea u are refuting isnt trinity, the idea u are refuting is modalism.

frosbel: If you had read my previous post you might have understood my point.

Jesus Christ is NOT Angel Michael and therefore existed from time of Birth.

here i agree, Jesus isnt angel michael.

He came as a full MAN , the WORD of GOD incarnated in the flesh and as John says revealed the Son of GOD.

u have started dancing

v14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

it seems u jumped i remember that same chapter said "in the begining was the word and the word was with God and the word was God"
frosbel tell me how come "the word was God" and yet u dont think the word was even existing. Another translation says "in the begining the word already existed" the bible contradicts you.
Please tell me you are joking so i can go back to bed.

ijawkid: Ohhhh...

You are back again with the dignity issue..

i remembered u ran away d last time.

You dodged the question::

Are we all of the same age??

Did we all come into existence simultaneously??

it is like asking wu came first ijawkid and his reasoning faculty, u are asking me wu came first between the father and his logos.

And may I tell u that apart from the fact that all humans are flesh and blood,all humans are not co-equal...

accoding to human nature all humans are equal.

If we are all co-equal go send goodluck on an errand....

I believe you and goodluck are both age mates
And possess the same power...

u are speaking of temporal power and u are trying to compare it with divine power, do u see how ur analogy fail. By the very fact that Jesus posses the fulness or was given the fulness of the Godhood state (wen he was begotten by d fada) that make him have the power and attribute ascribed to God according to nature. If the father is all power by his nature so his d son by nature.

The trinity says all 3 Gods are co-equal and co-eternal,all 3 all-knowing,and all powerful.....

The bible has proved u wrong...

sorry u didnt show me the passages.
Or have u made ur own bible?

plaetton: Would that be a far-fetched idea?

I have a panthiestic view point.

Everything in the universe= god

i good reason why you shouldnt be on this thread, go to threads where u have headings like "repent the kingdom of God is at hand". That would help u better. U need to learn how to drink milk before u start eating pounded yam.

mimifonwon: ummm my dear friend are you okay..when did this become question of maintainng democracy? here we are talking about the acts of awolowo, not the tribe. he committed war crimes according to the geneva convention rules on warfare. and it was written in 1864.so awolowo if he was sttill alive cannot claim as politician well educated about warfare, he commmitted crime and would go to jail today. Second you did everything but state the obvious of his post war actions of keeping other people's wealth that wasnt his, and above all the icing on the cake HE BETRAYED A FRIEND WHO RESCUED HIM FROM JAIL. BETRAYAL IS AT TIMES WORST THAT BEING KILLED BY YOUR FRIEND FOR AS LONG AS YOU LIVE THE THOUGHT OF THE BETRAYAL WILL MAKE YOU QUESTION THAT PERSON FOREVER. ALL WE WANT TO KNOW IS WHAT WILL BE RESPONSE OF OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS ON HOW TO HELP NIGERIA MOVE FORWARD. HOW DO WE STOP HOPING AND START DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT PLAGUE US EVERYDAY.

actually my friend you are totally ignorant of what a war crime is. In a warfare blockade isnt term a war crime. U need to go back to school and learn more.

Lamasta: You too know that Yoruba race is not known to cause violence or war but when it thus happens we will not carry guns, bombs or Nuclear weapons all we will do is just to formulate policy that will eliminate the entire egocentric tribes that claims they know what it means to win war. So just forget the past and don't make another mistake in the future again cos the Yorubas Including Our dearly Awolowo love the Igbos with passion

u have decided to put ur heavy bais to work.

It is a pity nobody here is looking at or discussing issues objectively, almost everyone is bais each read with lens that are heavylying darkened by the clouds of tribalism, racism, racial discrimination and "what-my-mother-told-me". These darkened lens block our eyes from seeing the truth, they stop us from considering fact objectively.
It is time when we must drop those lens or perish. Achebe has writting using his own lens and awolowo is the victim, the yorubas have responded and achebe will be the victim and Nigerias will continue to vomit all the indigested ideas they have concieved in their minds. This path wont help us. And forget what happened wont help us either, we much sit down and look thru our past, we must learn from it, gain from it, forgive ourselves for it and move together making sure we do not repeat the mistake of our father.
It is time for the ibo to stop blaming d yorubas for d war, d yorubas didnt start d war, d ibos ojukwu in particular did. That is one fact. Let is consider other including awolowos part in the war.
Peace

LBT: You igbos always turn history upside down, go ask the ijaws what the yorubas did to them in ondo state and how the yoruba took the fight to their ijaw villages turning their rivers to blood, also how did you igbos think the ishekiris were able to defeat the ijaws and irobos that ganged up against them? Its simple, the ishekiris are cousin of the yorubas and so the yorubas fought on their side in delta and prevailed;we dealt with the hausas in lagos,sagamu etc please go ask them who the hausas fear must and the will tell you the yorubas: what they did to you cowards in the 60s they can not do to us; we yorubas have been warriors since days of old if you doubt it go ask the hausa/fulani what we did to them during the ekiti parapo war which was before the british came. The yoruba are the most accomodating tribe in Nigeria we accommodate you all in ways you igbo cannot accommodate other tribes. we are not animals like you igbo cannibals: we are reasonable people. If you igbos want to settle any score abeg attack us and we we know who the real cowards are ass holes.
We do not attack people but when attacked we respond in such a way that is unimaginable or unpredictable. Na only mouth na dey get, start another an see what happens to you idiots.

are u joking? Or are u just ignorant of history? The itsekiri, ijaws and urobos are all cousins to the yorubas, they migrated from benin, and benin shares a direct linage to oduduwa. If yoruba joined d itsekiri and fought the ijaws that means brothers went to war. A shameful thing

Bunmiemich: Its a really big shame dat a lot of youths re involving demselves in all dis hatred 4 one anoda, dis was a war dat was fought even b4 u were born which begs d question wat re u gona gain frm all dis wen d problem starts?

Prof. Achebe who is starting dis hate blame, did he participate in d war, hw come he knows so much abt it; wats his purpose of coming out nw @ dis time in our nations history, is he trying 2 create more hatred or he actaually wnts d secession of biafra or hes jst trying 2 make sales of his book as I can see d book bcoming a best seller nw? So much questions

All I ll jst say is am a Nigeria n I don't hate any Nigeria weda Hausa (even dou I despise dia violence), nor Ibo nor any Yoruba, I consider all my brodas n I wish all Nigeria youths can try 2 move frm d mistakes of our forefathers cos dey re only trying 2 destroy dis country 4 us jst as dey've been doing all dia life. Nigeria is nt d only country in d world dat has diverse cultures yet dey re prospering n we re here busy killing/hating ourselves. What a shame.

Who is 2 say dat even wen we break by tribal lines we won't have d same problem with d minorities among us. We better b wise or we ll make d same mistake as dos nw sporsoring d spirit of hate among us youths. No matter hw bad Nigeria is, God has given us d power 2 make smtin better out of it. GOD BLESS NIGERIA.

i totally agree

Boomark: Do i look like am joking?

i cant see you so i dont know how u look

Or do you think what i quoted from the scripture is a joke.

Have they not also said that it is too holy to be mentioned?
What have they done to make sure it is restored?
What have they done to make sure that people use it to glorify my Father?

check d new Jerusalem bible.

[quote author=mxxpunkxx!]If anybody say they've seen an angel with their literal eyes, it's a PERFECT & SWEET lie.
[b]- Angels are spirit forms, and can never be seen by humans.
-Angels in Bible times, were seen by humans, such as the grappling between an Angel and Jacob; but that was then. Ask me why?
-Back then, the Bible wasn't a complete book, so God had to pass messages using Angels.
-Presently, we have a complete Bible, so angels have ceased coming to the earth in materialized forms.
because whatever we need to hear, is already contained in the Bible. We don't need to discuss with Angels to get closer to God,
all we have to do is read our Bibles daily.
-You can't see Demons as well cos they ain't humans. They're spirits. Can you see the wind? You can feel its presence,
but you can't see it. The same goes for Demons and Angels likewise.
So if you have been seeing Angels and/or Demons, you're only hallucinating and need to see a medical doctor real quick
before your case gets out of hand.
-Angels are sexless, but in Bible times, they often materialized in the male gender. Males represents headship, that's why
we love to represent them as males, when actually they are neither males nor females.
-Angels belong to several categories or classes. We have the cherubs, seraphims etc.
-According to Daniel's vision, some angels only minister to God, and they have 6 wings. 2 with which they cover their face,
2 with which they cover their feet, and 2 with which they fly.
-Jesus Christ in an angel, an Arch-angel, being the first creation. Satan was also an angel before he become rebellious.
-Angels are not 8feet tall, like somebody said, nobody measure their height, and if they ever materialized as humans,
they were of normal height. An 8-feet tall Angel sent to deliver a message to you would frighten the hell out of you, and
hence his mission wouldn't be accomplished.[/b][/quote]much of this isnt correct