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tomakint: @amor4ce, you have done a great job for supplying a revealing, detailed, unbiased, articulated and captivating material as this (Odia Ofeimum's account)! The propaganda employed by both factions were very unfortunate in those days but as usual the reason he cold apportioned blames was because of the useful tool we have now-HINDSIGHT! Ojukwu to me, did what was best for his people, I am sure if Ofeimum was to be in Ojukwu's shoes, he will likely do the same. WAR is not funny!

sorry, i dont agree, ofeimu wont behave like ojukwu. Ojukwu didnt plan b4 excuting, that is how he caused and executed a genocide against his own people.

ijawkid: So u have now come to your senses that the meaning of the word or title can be applied in various ways and can apply to Jesus and also we humans...

But let's restrict ourselves to the heavens....

I want to ask u this.....

Who are morning stars??

simply put, a being with briliance

Ihedinobi: Well, with your deteriorating intellect, I can see why you wouldn't understand that some things can be too simple for great professors like you to understand.

it is hidden from the "high and mighty" but revealed to little children.

Boomark: It made a perfect sense if you have been reading you bible.
Read this.

King James 2000 Bible
(©2003)
Ps 2:7
I will declare the decree:
the LORD has said unto
me, You are my Son; this
day have I begotten you.

Since you said He is the image of the Father because He was begotten. Whose was He before the decree?

that i repeat is a stupid question, it is like asking wu was bookmark b4 he was born?? JESUS WASNT BORN IN TIME HE WAS BORN B4 TIME.

ijawkid: See you....

The catholics clung to the ""don't use Gods name""........

And till date you guys forbid the use of that name..

I dey talk lie??

Meanwhile tell me the meaning of Yehshua....

I wan catch you......

baseless acusation!! Provide proof that the catholic church has, had any document that say not to use God's name. If u cant then u have show every1 dat u are a liar

ijawkid: How does the words alpha and omega mean the"" beginning of"" ??

sorry, are you blind? Did ur headache affect ur eyes? The verse the fada said "im the begining and the end" the word use was "arche", you said the word means "created" accding to you wherever arche appeared it means created so when d fada say he is d arche, does that mean he was created or are u making an exemption in ur porous and unfounded interpretation?

you totally forgot we are talking about the expression ""the beginning of""....

we are talking about "arche" and d fact dat u translated it as created. Ijaw answer me is d fada now created becos he is arche or are you making an exception?

I quoted sound bible verses that hit the nail on the head to show what the expressions ""firstborn of"" and ""beginning of"" means...

u want to dodge just tell me since to u arche means created is the fada created? Iwill answer ur "firstborn" rant later, just answer me does arche means d fada was created?

Now may I ask you:::::
1....Can we say the Father is the beginiing of the creation of God??

the fada say "i am d arche" u said ''arche equals created" and i ask u is d fada creatd or are u making an execption?

I just exposed your folly......

you just exposed ur folly now tell me since "arche" equals created is the fada created?

If you can't bring out scriptures to explain what the expressions ""beginning of"" and ""1st born of""
Means then you better go hide your head in shame.........

i just brought scripture to explain ur rant about "arche" u said it means created i said it implies "source" so wen d fada says "im d begining..." he means im d source and wen christ is call in dat same book (rev) d "arche of creation" it means he is d source of creation. U implied that arche is "effect" so wen d bible says "arche of creation" u interprete is as it means he was created. Now i ask u d fada is also "d arche" does that mean he was also created? Or does ur interpretation have execption.

When you employ greek philosophy to explain clear verses this is what results...HERESIES.....!!!!!!!

hahaha, u said u didnt use philosophy and arche means created and the bible says d fada is "arche". Who is the heretic? Let everyone judge wu is d heretic?

I'm done arguing the trinity with you....

actually wen i came just now this is what i wanted to write. But i saw ur stupid interpretation i just couldnt help but show how u interpretation disgrace u.

Besides you dodged a clear truth that angels are spirits...
I'm done with you......

hahaha, on earth u have, cow flesh, dog flesh cat flesh and all sorts of flesh even human flesh, does that mean d animals have human nature? D angels are spirit, after my death i will b a spirit, demons are also spirits alas evil spirits and God is spirit does that mean that d created, finite nature of d angels and demons is thesame as d uncreated and infinite nature of God? Just d way dat having flesh doesnt make animal posses human nature so also been spirits donot qualify the angels and demons to have the nature of God.
Only christ Jesus is said to have the fullness of that nature.

ijawkid: He is the only begotten Son of God...john 3:16.........

hahaha, u said begotten means created so Jesus is the only created son of God abi? Hahaha what happened to the angels? Did they just drop down?

Boomark: Ok give me your own interpretation of 1Cor15:28. What the 'all in all' means as a result of what happened in v27.

very well then. I believe in reading scriptures as one unified whole and that is what i will do.
25 say "for he must reing until he has put all his enemies under his feet" the word "until" in greek doesnt imply a cessation, so Jesus wont stop reinging after d enemies are under his feet. As proof see heb1:13 is didnt say Jesus if leave d fada right hand after d enimies are under his feet. So in line with d greek i say dat vs 25 doesnt imply that Jesus will stop reigning. 26 say d last to be distroyed is death and 27 says that d fada isnt put in subjection to christ, 28 say even after all is subjected to christ that christ is still subject to d fada wu put everything under him, and God may be all in all. I wish to submit that wen the scriptures say that "GOD MAy b all in all" christ isnt exempted, read it with d entire scriptures. Dan7:14 say that d dominion of christ over all is everlasting and shall never pass away. Anyone wu say dat 1cor say d dominion of christ wont last 4ever, is a heretic wu contradict d bible, ísa9:7 say christ government shall have no end, "from dis time forth and for evermore" so ever after christ gives d kingdom to his fada christ will continue to reign supreme over creation lk 1:33 say d kingdom of christ has no end. The same word used to explain d dominion of d fada is used 4 d son col3:11 "christ is all and in all" and as i have shown that dominion will not end. Heb1:8 say the thron of christ is 4 ever, his dominion will never end. 2Pt1:11 say the kingdom of christ is "ETERNAL". So i believe that the reign where "GOD IS ALL IN ALL" doesnt in anyway excude the son. The son will alway reign with his fada even after he gives d kingdom to his fada that is true accding to rev21:22-26 d fada AND THE SON are d temple in d new heaven and earth. Not d fada alone. Even in the new heaven Jesus still sit on the throne with his father rev22:3. This is a proof why i believe the trinity, God wu is all in all isnt d fada alone, d son is all in all. The fada alone doesnt sit on d throne, the son also does. And even after the son gives d throne to the fada the son still continues to have dominion over all creation becos his kingdom is eternal, everlasting and has no end.
THE SON IS SUBJECT TO THE FADA
One very good point made in dat passage is the "relational subordination" of the son to the fada. If you ask me how i understand this, i will clearly explain, but the point remains that by relation d son is, has been, and even in eternity will be subordinate to the fada. And incase u have started jumping, this doesnt affect the fact that they are coequal in nature and essence.

Sit at my right hand until i make your enemy you foot stool was not in His human form. He is still a subject then. Are you now surprised?

no! Im not, read above i guess u are using "until" in d english sense instead of d greek.

At least Ijawkid has made it clear what begotten means. He was created by the Father,

it seems u and ijawkid have a problem with understanding, so Begotten mean created hahaha and Jesus is d only begotten son of d fada. U are saying "Jesus is d only created son of d fada". If begotten means created and Jesus is d only begotten (d bible says d angel werent begotten), tell me how d angels came about, how come the angel? U see ur silliness u equate begotten to created that means Jesus is d only created of d fada. So tell me hw come the angels.
Begotten doesnt mean created. Next time u guys want to lie find a better lie to tell. Because begotten doesnt mean created.

All of it.

hahaha, were u not d one wu said begotten means created?

ijawkid: To start with let's define the word ""begot"" so that you can start thinking straigth...

Definition of BEGET
1
: to procreate as the father : sire
2
: to produce especially as an effect or
outgrowth

Synonyms: effect, breed, bring, bring about,
bring on, catalyze, cause, create, do, draw on,
effectuate, engender, generate, induce,
invoke, make, occasion, produce, prompt,

From that you can see what the word beget or begot means...

Begot means create,pro-create,to cause etc....

sorry is that a greek or hebrew lexicon, if not, u havent made a single point.

Infact Jesus was created...your definition of Jesus being the ""beginning"" of the creation of God is totally wrong and against the bibles view point...your interpretation of ""ARKHE"" is fashioned after greek philosophy..

According to the Expositors greek testament,to understand revelation 3;14 as meaning that Jesus is ""the active source"" of creation,rather than the first created person,one must interprete ""ARKHE"" as in the greek philosophy and [non-biblical] Jewish wisdom-literature,=aitía or origin..""
But ofcus the inspired bible writers weren't greek philosophers and so never borrowed ideas from greek philosophy...

this means u are dumb, where did d concept of "logos" come from?

Let us now from the scriptures find out what the word ""ARKHE"" means....the bible explains itself

try comparing revelation 3:14
and colossians 1:15 with these scriptures.....
Genesis 49: 2-3....
King James Version (KJV)
2 Gather yourselves together, and hear, ye
sons of Jacob; and hearken unto Israel your
father.
3 Reuben, thou art my ""firstborn"", my might, and
""the beginning"" of my strength, the excellency
of dignity, and the excellency of power:
Also deuteronomy 21:17
American King James Version
But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated
for the firstborn, by giving him a double
portion of all that he has: for he is ""the
beginning"" of his strength; the right of the
""firstborn"" is his.
....
American Standard Version..
but he shall acknowledge the first-born, the
son of the hated, by giving him a double portion
of all that he hath; for he is"the beginning of""
his strength; the right of the ""first-born"" is his.

.............

Ofcus from genesis we know reuben was jacobs 1st born son amongst jacobs kids....reuben wa§ part of the group that indeed made up Jacobs offsprings...bÙt he was the 1st of them all....

And it was reuben who was the beginning of jacobs pro creation (so to speak)....

You can't tell me reuben being the ""beginning of"" jacobs strength and power means reuben is infact the source of Jacobs strength....
....

that is what i said, if arche was used it refers to "source".

The same with the verse from deuteronomy 21:17...

You might also wanna ask why the earthly Jesus is called mary's FIRST BORN..??.

I guess you know.....

Amongst mary's kids Jesus was the 1st she gave birth to....infact this sc®ipture gives a perfect rebuttal to catholÍcs who believe mary never had other children apart from Jesus........
...

hahaha, firstborn doesnt neccesaryly imply a 2nd born, but im nt suprised u are ignorant of that. U dont seek after wisdom or knowledge ur aim is to shout "u are wrong im right".

But back to the main discussion..
Let's read luke 2:7......
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
And she gave birth to her """firstborn"" son; and she wrapped Him in cloths, and laid Him in a
manger, because there was no room for them
in the inn.
.........
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And she brought forth her"" firstborn"" son, and
wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him
in a manger; because there was no room for
them in the inn.

When ever the word 1st born is applied to living things that is the correct exegesis......

The scriptures explain itself.....

Stop clinging to greek philosophies and let the bible explain itself....

The words ""ARKHE"" and ""prototokos"" has been used several times in the bible....

And when ever they apply to living beings the meaning remains constant......

Jesus being the 1st born of all creation shows that Jesus is part of Yahwehs creation but he is the 1st....while Jesus became the agent through which Yahweh created all other things,the same way Yahweh ressurected Jesus from the dead 1st and through Jesus ressurection of millions will be accomplished...that is why Jesus is called ""1st born"" from the dead..I know u've denied that Jesus didn't die completely ,so I don't even expect you to think rationally...

hahaha, u have succeeded in trapping urself. Hahaha, rev 21:6 God the fada calls himself the 'arche" hahahaha, accding to u, that means he was created. Next time u bring this ur adulterated explanations that dont have a place in scripture make sure those words arent used to describe the fada

Boomark: You don't want to believe what is written in 1Cor15:28 because it will affect your trinity belief. In the affairs concerning Christiantus and ubenedictus, ubenedictus is all in all. That is what i asked. Do you agree?

it all depends on d way u interprete it.

Good. Even post-servant time. v28

is dat suppose to suprise me? He took human nature, he resurrected like all humans will, he still has dat human nature. It is called hypostatic union, that mean since he took human nature he has been subject to d fada. It doesnt suprise me.

Have you forgotten when the sons of ubenedictus came to present themselves and one enemy was found among them. Job 1:6, Gen 6:2. It is only the insiders that are his adopted sons. Do u get it?

have u forgotten that none of dose "sons" were begoten. There is only 1 begoten.

So you sabi lie like this? My friend the lie is obvious na. Is it just to protect your trinity? I hope you know who the father of liars is?

if dere is untruth in my previous post point it out, if not why do u accuse me.

Boomark: You don't want to believe what is written in 1Cor15:28 because it will affect your trinity belief. In the affairs concerning Christiantus and ubenedictus, ubenedictus is all in all. That is what i asked. Do you agree?

it all depends on d way u interprete it.

Good. Even post-servant time. v28

is dat suppose to suprise me? He took human nature, he resurrected like all humans will, he still has dat human nature. It is called hypostatic union, that mean since he took human nature he has been subject to d fada. It doesnt suprise me.

Have you forgotten when the sons of ubenedictus came to present themselves and one enemy was found among them. Job 1:6, Gen 6:2. It is only the insiders that are his adopted sons. Do u get it?

have u forgotten that none of dose "sons" were begoten. There is only 1 begoten.

So you sabi lie like this? My friend the lie is obvious na. Is it just to protect your trinity? I hope you know who the father of liars is?

if dere is untruth in my previous post point it out, if not why do u accuse me.

Boomark: whose image does He bear before He was begotten? Or are you saying He left His own image and nature and chose to bear the exact image of the Father?

The Father is not in the image of any body, He made us all in His image.

Got it?

mtchewww did u notice ur question doesnt make sense?

ijawkid: Oya now tell me wetin be the meaning of the name Jesus or Yehshua....

Uo forgot to answer that......

And please how can Jesus who came from heaven stop using the name of his God and Father??

Abi Jesus been suffer from memory loss??

actually i just remembered im not oblige to answer these questions. I remember seeing of ur Jw magazine which say copyist and translator has been removing d name for 3500yrs and still claim it was done by d rcc. Is d rcc 3500yrs old? No! So friend do a little google search and d article will come. Im not obliged to give it to u, go and make research.

Sorry there is no funny answer to be given

Boomark: Don't forget that the slave should be equal to GEJ(the President) base on his human nature as you said.

I wount make it easy for you broda. The only thing you will is either to stop answering or to give a funny answer. And everybody will see what trinity is like.

i repeat, incase i wasnt clear, having the fullness of Gej makes me equal to him. But there came a very important task that no one else could do (let me call is "chairman operation free nigeria", for this reason i volunteered myself and took that ministers (servant) position for that reason i am truly lower that gej and it is true that "gej is greater than i"

So let me use a minister GEj appointed with a mandate(or whatever you can call it) to restore Nigeria back to him. What do you think will make him equal to GEJ?

the very fact that he is d fullness of 'gejhood' would make me equal to him. Besides this particular analogy is very stiff. U have to also bring in d scence dat gej is my dad.

ijawkid: Jesus has a beginning....

That's why he is the beginning of the creation of Yahweh and also the 1st born of all creation........
And also begotten and the image of the invincible God......

Those are terms used for persons who has a beginning....

Those terms can never apply to the Father(Yahweh)

You share the same God with Jesus because u and Jesus all originated from the Father who is the source of all life.....

Jesus in his glorified state said(except you would say Jesus in his glorified state after been ressurected was still inferior in nature like us)....::::

I am going back to"" my Father and your Father and to my God and your God""

That is why Jesus calls us brothers.....

Because we all stem from the same source of life which is Yahweh........Jesus is the 1st of Yahwehs creative works and son while we and all the angels followed......

We are all brothers with Yahweh as our Father........



And let me tell you that the term ""morning star"" can't be used for the almighty....

Morning star is a title attached to all sons of God who live in the heavens.....

i already taught u d exact word translated as "begining" is arche and it means source even d fada use d word wen he say "im d beginning and d end". If u are not ready to learn dont enter a discussion. I cant continue repeating myself as if im talking to a deaf and blind person.
Peace

tomakint: See what I mean? Everybody knew the retaliatory putsch of July was as a result of the january 15th coup, i was referring to your post where you stated the following, 'im very suprised at you, u claim there is no justification for killing 3mil ibos, to that i respond that kill 1 human being is unjustified but in a war, what did u expect? The moment ojukwu responded with a war instead of keeping his troops in iboland it gave justification for d stuff that ensued, the moment he went to yorubaland and went in with troops and killed the yorubas in d pretense of liberating them(all the northern troop had already been removed from d west) he sealed his own coffin. The ibos had a direct route to the north they didnt take it.' what has your comment got to do with what you are saying now! Your argument has been Igbo started the war and it was the other way round, don't turn things around!

and i have stood by my point d coup lead by ifeajuna and co caused the war. The ibos are responsible for d war. The ifeajuna coup was tribalistic which caused a retaliation, at the end of d story ojukwu decleared war and achebe is blaming awo for d ibos that died. He shuld blame his fellow ibos.

ijawkid: I am the image or carbon copy of my Father only shows

1..I am not my Father..

yeah?

2...My Father pro-created me..

sorry that isnt what my bible says. My bible say begot not "pro-create" where did u get that word from? Is that one of ur Jw term?

3....I and my Father are not equals.....

hahaha

The same goes for Jesus and his Father.....

Jesus being the image of the Father simply means Yahweh created Jesus....

so your father created you abi? Hahaha, my bible didnt say "create" it say "begot". My parent didnt create me they begot me. The same 4 the Word.

How u intend to run away from this baffles me....

there is nting to run from.

And please show me which scripture that says Jesus didn't have a beginning...

heb 7:3

Jesus is the 1st born of all creation....he is the beginning of the creation of Yahweh...

he is the arche of creation, that means he is the source of creation. If u claim that Jesus was created, that mean Jesus created himself. Because by bible say "there was NOTHING created but thru him". Goodluck with that.

Jesus has a beginning.......

this isnt in d bible

He was begotten,created etc......
Get that.....

There is nothing like begotten eternally.....

Begotten is begotten........

hahahaha, please dont cry, the word already was "in the begining" there is no time before "in the begining". The earliest time dat d bible bears witness to is 'd beginning'. And Jesus existed before d begining. Wow, d guy was b4 d begining, that is eternity. If u cant see that then u need to go wash ur eyes. That is what i mean wen i said he wasnt begotten in time, d guy came from eternity.
Peace

ijawkid: So angels have a spiritual body while God is a spirit abi??

Na now I know say u need paracetamol....

oh! Sorry! I just remembered ur heachache

All beings in the heavens are spirits....

are they all immaterial, unchangeable and infinite?

Telling me the Father is a pure spirit while the angels have spiritual body is crazy...spiritual body is the spirit mr ubenidictus....u can't live in heaven and not be a spirit..

no! I cant live in heaven without having being transformed. My coporal and mortal body becomes spiritualised it becomes incoporal and immortal e.t.c but yet that my spiritual body isnt infinite, immovable. The angel are finite and they move though invisible to us.

Come let me dÉbunk you a lil bit

Open your bible to hebrews 1:14


New International Version (©1984)
Are not all angels ministering ""spirits"" sent to
serve those who will inherit salvation?
.....
New Living Translation (©2007)
Therefore, angels are only servants--""spirits""
sent to care for people who will inherit
salvation.
....
English Standard Version (©2001)
Are they not all ministering ""spirits"" sent out to
serve for the sake of those who are to inherit
salvation?
.....

Only spirits reside in the heavens...if you can't know that @ this your age then I wonder when you'll know....:-)

that again didnt contradict my point, by adding the word "body" after spiritual i simply implied that d angels lack the essential, unapproachable, immovable and infinite nature of God, that is my point.

And once again Jesus and the Father aint coequal......

Jesus posses d fulness of d deity sumtin dat hasnt been said of any1. There is nting fuller dan "fullness". Ofcuz dat is equality.

As just proved we can then say that all angels are coequal with the Father and son because they are all spirits........

they donot have d same nature. The uncreated nature can never be d same as d created, u are spewing heresy!

You can't run away from this fact.....

Coequality goes beyond just nature,it encompasses everything....

sorry that is ur definition. We wu believe it do not define it that way. Are u to define what i believe? When i and truly all catholics talk abt coequality we are refering to equality accding to nature and essence. Im suppose to teach u what i believe. U cant teach me my believe becos u dont know it.

For that fact Jesus is not co-equal to his Father......

old story.

Boomark: Assemblies believe in trinity.
What i believe in is not call 'anti-trinity belief.'
It is a belief in the Only True God, our Father and our Lord Jesus Christ.

no! Dear sir/madam, what u believe is called arianism.

Boomark: Pastor kun fu don put you for high jump. Do you think he is just an ordinary pastor? Ok na.

That is his name forever. From generation to generation Ex 3:15.
Why the change in new testament?

Have you seen what rejecting the of God can cause? Its never too late.

bookmark which kind tory cum b dis one?

ijawkid: But he was beggotten abi??

Meaning that @ one time or the other unknown to us The Father existed b4 Jesus in other to beget Jesus.......

u have started again, eternity is outside time. There is nothing like time, before, after in eternity. Sorry!

For you to say Both Yahweh and Jesus co existed simultenously @ the same time would annul the word ""begotten""

it doesnt, my bible says d
fada is eternal without begining or end, he also has a begotten son wu is also without begining or end, is dat so hard 4 u to c? Open ur bible and see! That simple mean he eternally begat his son that is y neither d begetter nor d begotten have a beging and neither will have an end.

It will also annul the fact that Jesus is ""the image of the invincible God""

There would be no need for Jesus being the image of someone he is co-equal with....

where did u get dis logic, oh! Ofcuz d usual ijawkid is trying to reason linearly, oh! Sorry! No before of after in eternity, it isnt linear, dat is y eternity is outside time.

That would be arrant rubbish......

yeah ijawkid wants to limit God to d size of his brain.

And funny enough we humans ,angels and Jesus are all images of that invincible God........

are u also d exact representation of his being?

OÑe can only be the image of someone or something when he or she is not the original,.....

ijawkid is d image of his fada, according to ijawkid that mean he isnt a real or true human becuz he isnt d 'original'.

Which ever way u want to bend your mouth to say Christ was begotten from eternity,Yahweh existed b4 Christ in other to beget Him...

go and learn d meaning of the word eternal

Did it ever oocur to you that Jesus worships Yahweh??or mayb it eluded your trinity infested head.......lol...(Jus joking)

dont worry to add the bracket, i naturally dont take your insults serious most times. Ur opinion abt me doesnt define me God defines me. To d question, Jesus to a human form and even became lower dan d angels he became a man. As man he truly gave latria to d fada, and as God he asks men for d exact same honor dat men give d fada.

But that's my point up there....

same old story. Is that it?

ijawkid: Lol......

I'm tryin to let you see that your definition of co-equality is tOo poor.....

no your understanding of co equality is very poor.

You are defining co-equality based on a jejune basis....

no! Im defining it d way the term has always been used as regards the trinity. They are coequal because they trully posses the fullness of the divine nature and essence.

How can 3 persons be aLl powerful,all knowing,all-good,all wise and yet just 1 person out of them 3 has authority over the rest??

because one is the "eternal source" of the rest. I told u b4 to learn abt sumtin b4 u criticize it. The fada gave birth to d son and not d other way round, the holyspirit proceed from the fada and not the other way round. That is why the fada is d head. It is called d teaching of the "monachy of d fada". Google it and Take a look b4 u ask another silly question.

The reason why I can't send my Papa message is because::

1....Me and my papa no be mate......

2....My papa is greater than I am....

3....I be subordinate to my papa...

it seems u repeated urself 3 times wit 3 different sentences. Weldone.

So if I can't send my papa message,while my papa dey send me message everytime,why I go come think say me and my papa equal??

because u b human like ur fada, d two of una equally and fully posses d human nature.

I no go be mad man to think say I dey co equal with my papa wey born me and wey dey pay my school fees??....

u alread coequal am by d fact say u born u human, e no born u animal.

Starting from Yahweh to the least angel...all are spirits.......

no! D fada is spirit, a pure spirit, with no body. The angels have a "spiritual body"

Why would I now conclude that because Yahweh and all heavenly beings share 1 common nature(spirits) so the angels are co equal with Yahweh and hÍs Son Jesus??

sorry d angels have an angelic nature they donot have the nature of God. The nature of God is uncreated dat of d angels is created. Do not decieve urself.

That's exactly what u are doing when you say because I'm flesh and blood with my parents therefore I'm co equal with them......

You better start thinking bro......

And stop this"" Yahweh is higher in rank than Jesus but Jesus is equal to his Father"" crap.....

Jesus is À subordinate and se®vant to Yahweh for all eternity....start getting this basic facts into your skull.....

same old story. Ijawkid welldone u just confirmed ur heresy! So an uncreated nature is d same as a created nature. Have arianism dulled ur brains?

Boomark: Do you disagree that ubenedictus is all in all?

even christianus also say he is all in all, becos he come from d linage of his fada and all d fada has accding to dat 'linage' belongs also to christianus.

Ubenedictus and Christiantus are both human but ubenedictus is greater than Christiantus. Therefore Christiantus is his subject. Do you DISAGREE?

christianus took up d position of a servant to save d servant, so yes christianus is a subject by his newly assumed position. And in his 'pre-servant' time d fada is greater in respect to relations.

Ubenedictus had other sons but outsiders don't give them the same respect they gave ubenedictus. Knowing fully well that they also have the same human nature with him. Why?

no! No! No! Ubenedictus has just one son that he begot, the other sons he purchased(adopted), and yet other he made. Only christianus was born by ubenedictus. Only christianus comes directly from d linage of ubenedictus becos christianus was born, not adopted and not created like d odas.

Insiders believe that ubenedictus is all in all. And that Christiantus is his subject. They respect ubenedictus base on his greatness, power and authority. They also respect Christiantus base the fact that ubenedictus has made him the only way through which people can get to him, and that he has been given authority by ubenedictus over all dat he own so that he can bring more outsiders to him.
Their belief is just as it is written in the documentary.

no the so called insiders have degraded christianus, they say christianus isnt from d linage of ubenedictus (thus calling him a bastard) they say that christianus didnt recieve somethings not everything even though the 'documentary' says so. Some even say that christianus wasnt the real son of ubenedictus. When they deny the truth that christianus is d son and fully posses d state of ubenedictus, they insult both ubenedictus and christianus. He wu refuses to honor christianus as he honor ubenedictus has refused to truly honor and honor rightly both ubenedictus and christianus. That is what d documentary say.

tomakint: you are putting the cart before the horse, the pogroms and secret killings of the Igbos started way long before the war (right from May 1966 to September 1966 over 20,000 Igbos have been wasted in the North)! What is wrong with you? Why are you masking the truth? What is this post turning into from people like you? They (the Northern clique) have started their secret exterminations of the igbos right from that May riot and ojukwu complained to Gowon, he kept reassuring with him that he will look into it, and yet the killings went on. so, under that kind of scenario what would you do if you are in Ojukwu shoes?, when the indications on your table is telling you that your tribe is no longer needed. You will look elsewhere and pretend all is well too? No sir, Ojukwu did what was best for his people the more reason he died a hero, beat that!

no! U are d one puting d cart b4 d horse. D killing started wen ibo soldiers killed both westerners and northerners and spared the easterners and the ibos started taunting d hausas, that was d problem!!! Let truth be told!!!

ijawkid: But Jesus used Gods name....he was a jew....

Infact his name Yehshua shows Jesus was a Jew who had Gods name attached to it.....

All Jews used that name........

If Jesus didn't use the tetragrammaton then he definitly wasn't a Jew....

Maybe Jesus was a roman......

Mention 1 Jew who won't use that name......

U think the Jews were like you who denied the one and only true God??

Every Jew read deuteronomy 6:4 including Yehshua.......

Yehshua used Gods name and you should do the same rather than run around the place with titles.....

May I ask you...

What is the meaning of the name JESUS??

Oya answer

hahaha, the name "yahweh" was already extinct then, it has been extinct for a long time the jews had stopped using it for a long time. Who told use d jews were still using d name?

ijawkid: Whether in eternity or in time the word ""beget"" still holds........

no one can be before d other in eternity,

Yahweh existed b4 his son Jesus......

i cant find that in my bible. My bible say Jesus have no beginning.

That is why we share the same God with Jesus.......

we share d same God becos Jesus took our nature, an inferior nature.

Abi you no dey get the gist??

there is no gist there.

And like I earlier said Jesus is a morning star...

Na lie I talk??

morning star is denotes brilliance, it doesnt mean Jesus is an angel.

Boomark: Still in line with having Gej fullness.
1 Then what will make you say that GEJ is greater than you since you have his fullness? Jn14:28

if i took the position of a slave then i would and could truly say that GEJ is greater than i

2 what do you think will make you to still be considered as his subject when he has given you all powers to restore Nigeria back to him. 1Cor15:27-28.
Pls straight to the point answer is needed. No beating about the bush.

having d nature of a slave would still keep me subject.

ijawkid: You must be on some cheap drink....

friend wen it comes to drinks, i donot take excess, im not drunk, never have been and i hope i will be.

It gets u cajoled when I say the angels must be equal to Jesus,but its easy for u to say Jesus is equal to his Father...

i cant find where d bible say Jesus had d angelic state. Where did u get this?

Wasn't Jesus called a morning star??abi u wan deny that one??

does marwin star equal angelic state?

And this your expression ""true God from true God"" gets me cracked up....

We don't have 2 true Gods,we only have one,,,so start speaking biblical rather than on your trinity knowledge...

Begotten from any dictionary means::::breed,cause,generate,produceFather..etc.....

There is no way u can define the word begotten that will make Jesus equal to his Father....

i ask you, does a person beget what is unlike him in nature?

I asked u::::: can we say the Father is begotten of the son??

can we say u begot ur father?

Since u have trivialized the word ""begotten""....

u were d one wu trivalised the word and sgcd it meant "created".

And please let's talk about Jesus being the 1st born of all creation.......
And if light came from light it only shows there was an existing light that gave birth to more light.......
Our parents begot us...our parents existed b4 us to beget us in the 1st place...

u still havent learnt that the word "b4" doesnt exist in eternity.

Humans beget humans...that doesn't mean all humans existed the same time with adam...

adam wasnt made in eternity, he was made in time.

Put on your thinking caps nigga

hahahaha, i alway have them on!

ijawkid: You must be on some cheap drink....

friend wen it comes to drinks, i donot take excess, im not drunk, never have been and i hope i will be.

It gets u cajoled when I say the angels must be equal to Jesus,but its easy for u to say Jesus is equal to his Father...

i cant find where d bible say Jesus had d angelic state. Where did u get this?

Wasn't Jesus called a morning star??abi u wan deny that one??

does marwin star equal angelic state?

And this your expression ""true God from true God"" gets me cracked up....

We don't have 2 true Gods,we only have one,,,so start speaking biblical rather than on your trinity knowledge...

Begotten from any dictionary means::::breed,cause,generate,produceFather..etc.....

There is no way u can define the word begotten that will make Jesus equal to his Father....

i ask you, does a person beget what is unlike him in nature?

I asked u::::: can we say the Father is begotten of the son??

can we say u begot ur father?

Since u have trivialized the word ""begotten""....

u were d one wu trivalised the word and sgcd it meant "created".

And please let's talk about Jesus being the 1st born of all creation.......
And if light came from light it only shows there was an existing light that gave birth to more light.......
Our parents begot us...our parents existed b4 us to beget us in the 1st place...

u still havent learnt that the word "b4" doesnt exist in eternity.

Humans beget humans...that doesn't mean all humans existed the same time with adam...

adam wasnt made in eternity, he was made in time.

Put on your thinking caps nigga

hahahaha, i alway have them on!

truthislight: you dont even have all the facts or you are getting better at lying.

In just this 2006 the RCC requested that the tetragrameten, the name Yahweh or Jehovah, or titles like elohim and the likes be removed from their bible and hymns and any publication thereof.

And that order has been carried out to the full, but you still have the face to come out to talk.

Any that wish to confirm what i have said one only needs to pick up any new publication of RCC after that order was made and search for the name of Yahweh and see if he will see any.

*sigh*

provide proof!

truthislight: everlasting life is on the basis of knowing the only true God John :17:3

trinity is leading people not to know the only true God and say that God is a mystery.

Destroying peoples faith and turning some to atheist while the rest will not know the only true God and as such lost out on eternal life.

learn to quote a verse in full, if u will have eternal u must also believe in christ.

truthislight: stating lies as though it is a fact.

Dead conscience.

Your desire is to ensure that people forget the name of the almighty Yahweh abi?

Let me see, who else will habor such intention you and the RCC have in removing Yahweh's names from the bible?

O! I know! SATAN.

You and satan have the same desire to bury God's name in the ground and forget it, sorry you have failed, his name is now well known and he will soon repay you according to your works.

u need more education.