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frosbel: "But the one whom God raised from the dead did not see decay. - Acts 13:37"
- PAUL


"You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this. - Acts 3:15 "
- PETER


By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also - 1 Corinthians 6:14 "
- PAUL

frosbel: I just responded, did you not read my comments ?

Paul and Peter's testimony is good enough for me.

You say you are not a catholic but you hold unto their belief system , how can this be ?

gbrookes02: Answer my question, How can Jesus have "authority to take it up again" if Jesus is not God but just a mere man? Please to answer that question.

I am not a Roman Catholic, they are false. Roman Catholic is an oxymoron you can't be Roman (local) and catholic (universal) at the sametime.

frosbel: When you tell Muslims , Jews and others that you worship a 3-headed god , of course they think you are crazy and reject your offer of salvation, that's how !!!

frosbel: So why did the early church of the apostles baptise ONLY in the name of JESUS ?

example :
"Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." - Acts 2:38

TroGunn: You, sir, are the one blinding yourself to all the scriptures and explanations given to sway you from an obviously false, and non-Biblical teaching of Trinity.
Do yourself a favour, just research the Origin of Trinity and see what you get. The word Trinity is not in the Bible, so the word and concept must come from somewhere.

Jesus is Yahweh's messenger and does not need to be Yahweh. Why you are stuck on this despite overwhelming evidence is unbelievable.

Whatever Authority or power or title Jesus has was given him by the Father, Yahweh.

"So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am [the one I claim to be] and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me." - John8:28.

Real Christians, therefore, need to reject the Trinity teaching as false, as an invention of sinful men. We should worship the Father as the only true God, and do so through his firstborn Son Jesus Christ, the One who occupies the first place among all of God’s intelligent creatures — "And whatever you do, whether by speech or action, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him." (Col. 3:17).

frosbel: The oneness doctrine is no different from the Trinity, all confusion in action !!

ijawkid: So open a scripture that says Jesus now knows when the end is coming........

Abi e no dey your bible??

Besides Jesus right there in the heavens still recieves revelations.....

The bible must always debunk your pagan stance.....

And why should Jesus obey his equal??are u with your brains??

Does it make any sense to you??

Then what is co-equality??

You are far off from the definition of co-equality......

You are stiil saying ""the Father gave Him""....

That expression squashes ur stand on co-equality......

Jesus is suppose to have all authority within him if he was co equal with his Father ..........but for the bible to shame u,it says Jesus "" wa§ given""........

ijawkid: I was only making you and your myopic colleagues how to read scriptures.....

How does it feel to see translations exegete words in the right context......

Jesus was adored, bowed to as Yahwehs .king designate........

Ofcus Jesus isn't the God of the angels in heaven....haven't I told u before that Jesus is a morning star as well??

Yahweh is the GOD and Father of all.....

ijawkid: You are finished......

You need to learn a lot......

ADORE and BOW DOWN is what it is....

In your brain Jesus is the almighty,but in the bible Jesus is less than his GOD and Father .....

Learn!!!!

ijawkid: Still hogwash nigga.......

U haven't answered if the holy spirit knows when the end will come.....

Please don't assume,just give facts....

We already know the son doesn't know.........


And you just said GOD gave him divinity abi??

Why does Jesus have to wait to be given anything from some1 who according to you he is co equal with....


You don't understand the word ""co equal""

Open your damn dictionary and check....

ijawkid: You are foolishly implying that when Jesus came to the world Yahweh became dumb(was wordless).....

But sorry Yahweh still had his words inside of Him when he appointed Jesus as his son when Jesus was baptized......

So put on your thinking caps on more time and think........

The bible is called the ""word of God"" too....

I wonder if the bible existed the same time with Yahweh......

Go back and ask yourself why Jesus is called ""the word of God""

ijawkid: And then he didn't know when the end will come. With the all knowingness......clap for yourself...........!!!!....

And again also recieves revelations from the ultimate source of knowledge......

Try again!!!!....

You fail....

ijawkid: Where??

Oya open the bible show me....

frosbel: Were you blind when the bible called Yahweh Almighty , the only ONE GOD of heaven and earth.

Jesus never called himself Almighty and no one referred to him with such a title.

seriallink: Jesus is Yahweh's son that doesn't make him Yahweh! They're are two different entities, one higher than the other! Shikena

ijawkid: The context there is that Jesus has been exalted over the angels and has been designated by Yahweh as king of Yahwehs kingdom......

The angels do not see Jesus as there God they render exclusive devotion to....

Yahweh is the one person who deserves all the worship....

Jesus himself has given you a perfect reply there in matthew...

So your duty is to find out what the bible means when it says the angels should worship Jesus....

Phillipians explains it better by using the word ""bow down""......

ijawkid: When the scriptures use the greek word "" pro·sky·ne′o"" if not used in the right context we would contradict the bible and its truth....

That greek word means all these::::
worship,obeisance.bow down,prostrate...etc

When Yahweh says let the angels "" pro·sky·ne′o"" Jesus,Yahweh was only telling the angels to bow down and show honor and respect to his exalted Son.......not to worship Jesus as there GOD....the GOd of the angels and Jesus is Yahweh......

We can't possibly worship 2 GODs,.....

That will go against the whole scriptures.....

It is Yahweh alone we are to worship.....Jesus was 100% correct when he gave satan that perfect rebuttal that it is Yahweh only we must worship.......

And please have u followed up that link I pasted??

It gives u a perfect exegesis on what genesis 19:24 meant....

frosbel: Bible

I thought you knew that the catholic standard is not the bible but 'church tradition' which is more like roman pagan tradition.

gbrookes02: ""CO - EQUAL"" in nature and essence only not in authority and role in The Trinity.

You forgot one thing at your other thread, in Genesis 19:24 (English Standard Version) "Then the Lord (Yahweh on the earth) rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from the Lord (Yahweh) out of heaven." So therefore its two persons been spoken of as Yahweh. That's the part you forgot (earth and heaven).

Wesley's Notes
19:24 Then the Lord rained - from the Lord - God the Son, from God the Father, for the Father has committed all judgment to the Son. He that is the Saviour will be the destroyer of those that reject the salvation.

http://bible.cc/genesis/19-24.htm

frosbel: You worship a 3-god god and you call me who worships ONE God a pagan ?

ijawkid: So Jesus human nature was what died,not his God nature...

Please can you kindly open just one verse to prove this heresy!!!!!...

Please we'll appreciate it....

Open the scripture where it says it is a part of Jesus that died not the whole of Jesus.....

Make u no dey talk lie because of trinity o....

Was there Jesus somewhere else,when he was in the grave for 3 good days??

Oboy this your LIE na wa o....

frosbel: Not for those who believe in a Trinity out of innocence but for those preventing multitudes from entering the kingdom through their peaching of this 3-god LIE.

frosbel: Not for those who believe in a Trinity out of innocence but for those preventing multitudes from entering the kingdom through their peaching of this 3-god LIE.

ijawkid: Show us where the bible says 1 God is made up of 3 persons....

Till date no scripture supports that.....

Y'all just rant shouting the trinity .......

Paganism!!!!!!......

ijawkid: Exactly....

1st of all they took off the name JEHOVAH from the bible.......

Truth lovers found out the ""WAYO"" and now many know the name of the only true GOD......

Instead of trinitarians to bow down there heads in shame ,they now want to ascribe the name Jehovah to 3 persons....

Is still can't understand how desperate they are....

Deuteronomy says Yahweh is 1 Yahweh......

Trinitarians as usual went about cherry picking and came up with genesis 19:24 forgetting that the bible must always remain true.......

And the scriptures just did debunk the hell out of ubenidictus and all those trinitarians who rush to use genesis 19:24 as a support for there pagan doctrine.......

Boomark: Hahaha.
I noticed that since they restored the name of God(Yahweh) in some of their bible, their new trick is to say that the Father is Yahweh, Jesus is Yahweh, Holyspirit is Yahweh just to keep trinity going.

truthislight: do trinitarians/ubenedictus tell you he knows what the bible says?

He is just a desperate fellow that wants to defile the bible with their trinity.

ijawkid: Ubenidictus I finally got a rebuttal to your claim that there are more than one Yahweh from genesis 19:24 just to support your triune Gods stance……

This is why I love the bible…it explains itself.....I always know the bible can explain itself and will continue to do that...

It is consistent with Hebrew idiom to speak of a person’s doing something in reference to himself. We read: “Solomon proceeded to congregate the older men . . . to King Solomon.” “To Moses [Yahweh] said: ‘Go up to Yahweh . . . ’” “[Yahweh] went on to say: . . . I will save them by Yahweh.’” (1 Kings 8:1; Exodus 24:1; Hosea 1:6, 7; Zechariah 10:12)
.......
But let's consider 1 kings 8:1..

Its the perfect example..

Let's read it from other translations..I'm gonna list them....
......
##..English Standard Version (©2001)
Then"" Solomon"" assembled the elders of Israel
and all the heads of the tribes, the leaders of
the fathers’ houses of the people of Israel,
before King"" Solomon"" in Jerusalem, to bring up
the ark of the covenant of the LORD out of
the city of David, which is Zion.
........
##New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Then"" Solomon"" assembled the elders of Israel
and all the heads of the tribes, the leaders of
the fathers' households of the sons of Israel,
to King"" Solomon"" in Jerusalem, to bring up the
ark of the covenant of the LORD from the city
of David, which is Zion.
....
##..King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Then"" Solomon"" assembled the elders of Israel,
and all the heads of the tribes, the chief of
the fathers of the children of Israel, unto
king ""Solomon"" in Jerusalem, that they might
bring up the ark of the covenant of the LORD
out of the city of David, which is Zion.

1 .....I want u to tell me how many ""solomons"" were mentioned in that verse??

2.....The 2 solomons that are mentioned in that verse are they 2 different solomons ??

3....Isn't the solomons mentioned there one and the same person??

That 1 kings 8:1 is a perfect example that corroborates with Genesis 19:24 that tells us that Yahweh brought the unprecedented sulfur and fire from himself, “from Yahweh, from the heavens”.......... So rather than being a strained prop for the unscriptural Trinity doctrine, this verse underscores the point made at Psalm 83:18: “That people may know that you, whose name is Yahweh, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”..

My brother ubenidictus::::

Yahweh our God is one Yahweh...

Nothing can change that,not even the trinity dogmata..


It was even ratified by Jesus.....

Continue to read deuteronomy 6:4 and mark 12:29 till you abandon the trinity....

ijawkid: I opened up this thread for you personally to debunk you on genesis 19:24 but you blind folded your trinitarian eye....

Oya open this link...it was directed to you...

www.nairaland.com/1063938/perfect-rebuttal-ubenidictus-genesis-19

ijawkid: You are still on the Yahweh made it rain fire from Yahweh??

I had opened a thread as a rebuttal to your low understanding of genesis 19:24 but you ran away........


And please how should I worship Jesus??the same way you worship mary ??

Right??

ijawkid: Just like the way you worship your pope and Mary abi??

You better go for tutorials on the greek word "" pro·sky·ne′o"" and come back let's discuss.....

Rubbish!!!!!