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truthislight: beatiful ^^^

what on earth will cus one to asked that God personal name should be removed from his word the bible?

That action alone is an abormination and a great transgration against the almighty Yahweh himself.

Trinitarian DONT know their life is at stake on this issues.

i believe you mean your life is at stake. No trinitarian was involve in removing the word 'yahweh' from d bible, before Jesus was born d name was alread extinct. Next time u make a comment like this apply it to urself becuz i wont answer anyother silly post from u with "ur life is at stake" on it.

ijawkid: And Jesus himself beared the name "Yehshua..""

and so?

The 1 true fact is Jesus made that name known to every single Jew back then and then to his apostles and disciples.....

what name? Do u read the name yahweh in the new testament? Are u joking?

See what Jesus said @ john 17:24-26...
24 Father, I desire that they also, whom You
have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that
they may see My glory which You have given
Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of
the world.
25 “O righteous Father, [a]although the world
has not known You, yet I have known You; and
these have known that You sent Me; 26 and I
have made ""Your name"" known to them, and will
make it known, so that the love with which You
loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”
........

Jesus made the Fathers name known .....

All Jews used Gods name.....

hahahahahahahahahaha, i cant stop laughing! If i could laugh in greek i would. I had made your name known doesnt mean Jesus went about telling people that the father name was "yahweh" if that was it u would have seen d name yahweh in d new testament. Go and read, Jesus was never recorded to use d name "yahweh". The word 'name' denotes personality in the jewish tradition, when he said "i made your name known" he meant " i made u know" "i made you person known". While u will never read that Jesus said "yahweh" u will certain read that Jesus made his father know.
Learn to read and read with understanding.

truthislight: i love this so much. ^^^

@ Enigma, i believe you have a capacity to do a lot of Good to mankind.

You stood and defended the "bible" that it is not a RCC baby, but you are still standing for trinity because you belief it was adopted by the true church(catholic)

friend, the apostacy was already at work when the apostles were still alive. 1ce
2thessolonian 2:7

by the second (2ce) ce all the apostles that were a restrain to the apostacy had all died off.

just think about this.
Peace

instead of this i believe God's word "the gates of hell shall NEVER PREVAIL agaist her", ofcuz heresy was alway there even as early as d time of d apostle, the were those wu were pro-circumcision, after them came d gnostic and them d arians. They were all condemned, u are holding a heresy.

truthislight: your error is because the RCC has removed the name of Yahweh in some translations and replaced it with the "WORD" lord in the OT.

Otherwise, if you had seen that the word Yahweh you will not fall for this trap.

When paul wrote his word the shama was still carrying the names of Yahweh in all places in the OT.

This RCC action is after the death of the apostles.
Peace.

truthislight u have started spitting lies just to foster hatred and put other up against the RCC, just a point of correction d catholic church that existed before the eleven century wasnt called "roman", rome only preside over the church d name roman wasnt there, so it is a subtle mistake to say that the RCC did anything before the eleventh century.
Now to the main issue, i believe u have a problem with learning becos i have explained this to you times without number, before Jesus was born the name yahweh had already disappeared from the jewish text becos they believed it was too holy to b called, the greek version that was also and used before christ and d apostles didnt have the name yahweh. the pronuciation was also lost even wen some ancient edition that had it were discovered.
Sorry to burst ur bible friend but the early church didnt even meet the name, Jesus himself didnt meet the name in popular use.
Peace and stop speading wrong information.

ijawkid: How can one who was not created be ""the image" of another person??

so u didnt think about this? Wow he is an exact image becos he was begotten.

How??

It means we were not created too.....

SMH!!!!!!!.....

Trinity delusion....

wow, are u are exact image? Do u know as things? Or have d fullness of the deity?

joeyfire: The issue of biafran troops on western nigerian soil is a much debated issue. But let's look at the fact that yorubaland was not the target in a strict sense but dodan barracks was the aim of the mission. Dodan barracks that was in the grip of an essentially northern military leadership that was in Lagos! I believe we can draw answers for ourselves individually and draw conclusions aside from what we've been told all these years.

There are issues to observe when we analyse the intentions of others. Did biafran troops come to occupy yorubaland in the strict sense of the word? Were there any attempts to remove yoruba traditional leadership in ore or other places where they were on ground. Also I want to ask, where there any crimes or atrocties comitted against yorubas? The enemy took advantage and solidified its grip by twisting and exploiting te truth. What I find puzzlng is the wholehearted embrace of propganda and politics forty fve years later

oh! By the time ojukwu started d war the northerners had already been ordered back to the north. Wu was ojukwu going to fight, besides for a waring army to pass thru and nothing bad happened is like say the Dog helped you in safe keeping d meat u droped on its plate. It is imposible.

tomakint: Are you aware that most of the Military senior officers of Northern extraction felt bad that Maimalari (the most senior military office from the Northern Region)was killed and careless about the Sardauna? Are you aware that, the gross corruption of the land at that time was mainly from the staple of the sardauna? Are you aware that Ironsi was lucky to escape death as a result of the telephone message he received from the Col. james pam? As for Ifeajuna drinking tea with Okpara, well I am just hearing that here for the first time. Then as for your comment here; "You kill my elders, you think I would send a letter to you asking you to present your own elders to be killed? I would wipe out your whole village", I think that's quite barbaric of you. Indeed I now understand why you are with the Nigerian government on the Civil war. The civil war was clearly an Agenda of the northern hegemony and we (the Yorubas) were used to kill our 'brothers in the eastern part!

im very suprised at you, u claim there is no justification for killing 3mil ibos, to that i respond that kill 1 human being is unjustified but in a war, what did u expect? The moment ojukwu responded with a war instead of keeping his troops in iboland it gave justification for d stuff that ensued, the moment he went to yorubaland and went in with troops and killed the yorubas in d pretense of liberating them(all the northern troop had already been removed from d west) he sealed his own coffin. The ibos had a direct route to the north they didnt take it.

whitecat007: ;DWho died and gave you the authority to choose who leaves or stays here? you lack integrity just like your people. reason you had to first deny who you are before commenting. why do you want to be yoruba you hate so much? you really need to go and take your medication. Also do any of these sound like a joke to you? no way you are Yoruba, the ability to see the big picture has eluded you or what happened to action and consequence? don't ever in your miserable life hide under yoruba to spew the garbage you just did here again. I hope your psychiatrist finds you before you get shoved in the mouth of an 18 wheeler, Alawoku kobokobo.

i throw d bolded back at ya. Wu died and gave ur leader the right to decided wu will live or die among d civil leaders?

Katsumoto: Well what you heard is wrong. Awo had a meeting Ojukwu to advise against the war. Ojukwu then asked whether they could have a united Southern Nigeria. Awo responded that it would amount to betrayal if he changed the objective of his meeting with Ojukwu since he was representing the Federal government. Awo stated that it wasn't the right atmosphere to discuss such.

There was no starvation policy. That was simply Biafran propaganda. Charities were allowed to fly in food at night until June 1969. After June, Gowon refused night time flights of aid because Biafra was using aid to smuggle in weapons. Ojukwu subsequently refused day time shipments and inspections of shipments. If you were a combatant, would you allow your enemy to smuggle in weapons after you have successfully mounted a blockade? So Biafra didn't receive aid from July 1969 until the end of the war in Jan 1970 (6 months).

and some how 3mil ibos managed to stave, becos ojukwu was stealing the supplies and giving to to his army, the masses starved but ojukwu's army was ok.

van bonattel: according to what I heard, awo agreed with zik to go back and declare oduduwa republic, but thought against it and dropped the idea later, instead suggesting the starvation policy when it seems the war was taking tioo long?

no! Awo warned ojukwu against any war, awo believe nothing could justify d war, his speech to d yoruba leader can still be found he abhored war but clearly stated that if d ibos opt out of d nigeria that the republic was broken and the yorubas will form their own unit and enter into alliance with either side that best represented their interest, the whole story changed when ojukwu refused to go to d north but went west.

van bonattel: nobody should justify the action of the coupists, they were completely stewpid, what followed, the pogroms was also condemnable, but the betrayal of awo was the last straw.

please what last straw? Ironsi refused to be just, he did nothing about those who were killed, awo did betray nobody, he was against any type of war, he believe d war was north against east and east against north and decleared yoruba land neutral, but what did ojukwu do? He refused to march to d north instead he went to the neutral west. This deed alone turned the table, awo ofcuz felt ojukwu had no right whatsoever to attack d neutral yoruba side. By that act ojukwu added d yorubas to the war, he had to dance to d music

tomakint: What else do I need to prove my identity to you 'bunch of Yorubacentric bigots' I have said many time here times without number that, "I am a Yoruba man, not a TYPICAL one like you". Omo ale ni n fi owo osi ju we ile Baba e (It's only a bastard that use his or her left hand to describe the house of his or her father)! Yoruba ro nu e (Yorubas let's think deeply), my friend, stop deceiving yourself by being Yorubacentric, it's a 'caveman mentality' grow up, we don't have to agree on the same thing all the time. Wole Soyinka and many other Yorubas were against their fellow Yoruba kinsmen during the war, does that make him (them) a less Yoruba man or men?

an awolowo spoke and advocated a neutral west wen d war started, but how did ojukwu pay back? He brought his army to yoruba land, that was the turning point, if ojukwu had took his army directly to d north and left d yoruba wu said they were neutral alone he would have had a leg to stand on. Ojukwu blew it, he removed d mat from under his own legs and had to bear d consequences.

ijawkid: U forgot to find out if Ijawkid co-existed the same time with his Father who begot him.....

My Father was born 1950....

Did I also exist simultenously with my dad when he was born 1950??

that is y Jesus wasnt begotten in time, he was begotten from all eternity

ijawkid: Why can't the son ever send the Father??

Is it that Yahweh is the proudest amongst them all and that Jesus and the holy spirit are always the omodo's who would always run errands for Yahweh??

Why can't it be the other way round??why??

They are co-equal aren't they??

stupid questions again, why cant ijawkid send papa ijawkid on errand, they are equally humans arent they?
Or like ur oda silly question, y doesnt ijawkid becom a fada to his fada? Y cant dey substitute?
Ijawkid go and treat ur headache, it is really affecting ur reasoning

frosbel: Ijawkid, I have warned you , don't say it again !

These guys don't read the bible, I mean the catholics

i doubt u read in a month as much scripture as i read in a day.

ijawkid: Na you talk say the holy spirit na person and also God....so please do the maths...

Can't u??

gbrookes just pasted passages refering to d spirit as a person, til now u ran frm responding. U have starte dodging again

ijawkid: Oh the Father comes 1st??

Why can't they sometimes substitute who comes 1st??

They are co -equals right??

Why can't sometimes Jesus sends the Father on some errands or sometimes Jesus gives the Father power and knowledge.....

Why must the Father always come 1st in amidst a co-equal 3 Gods.......

And who the hell ranked the spirit 3rd??

Them write waec exam??.....or them write common entrance??

Open the bible and show where the holy spirit is ranked 3rd....

.Please open the scriptures

d same old ranting, did d fada nd son nt sent d spirit?

ijawkid: Please just a scripture would do to prove this your trash.....just one...

I've not seen such heresy before in my life....

Now that Gods name which ur likes hid from many is now restored u have resorted to saying Yahweh is the name for 3 persons....

E be like u get headache

kpele ijawkid, do u nid parasitamo? Take it easy eh! After u headache u may come back, wen u cant disprove and arguement u start making noise, dat idea wont work today. Gb just posted that d name yahweh was used by Jesus in d old testament u havent been able to answer.

frosbel: stop this nonsense, you are making nonsense no sense !

hahaha, wen frosbel refuses to see d truth he screams nonesense! Stop screaming and calm down. Did d fada not send his son? Or did d fada and son not send d spirit? If dere is sumtin wrong in wat i said point it out, if nt y are u screaming?

[quote author=gbrookes02][/quote]weldone gbookes, ur explanations were beautiful

ijawkid: Please fix the holy spirit into this equation in 1 corinthians 11:3....

And please in all the times revelations were given about Yahweh ,his servant and son (Jesus),and all the angels it appears the holy spirit is always missing....

Where the holy spirit dey go??

It is always Jesus sitting @ the right hand of His God(Yahweh) but the holy spirit we no dey see........

Where is the holy spirit in heaven??

It is a known fact that the Father is greater than the Son,can you please open a scripture to show who is greater than the holy spirit....

they are placed in that rank accding to their relations, d fada is d head of christ and he sends his son into d world, d son didnt send d fada, so d fada come 1st. The fada and son sends d spirit d spirit is ranked third and Jesus 2nd.

Pastor Kun: @Trinitarians
Abeg I have one small kweshion, we know the name of the father(Yahweh), we know the name of the son(Jesus) what is the name of the holy spirit Since he is their co equal third partner I assume he must also have a name.

where u sleeping since marwin? Did u nt notice d arguement that yahweh isnt a name exclusive to d fada? So d fada son and spirit have one and d same name. Did u miss that part of d arguement?

ijawkid: Please fix the holy spirit into this equation in 1 corinthians 11:3....

And please in all the times revelations were given about Yahweh ,his servant and son (Jesus),and all the angels it appears the holy spirit is always missing....

Where the holy spirit dey go??

It is always Jesus sitting @ the right hand of His God(Yahweh) but the holy spirit we no dey see........

Where is the holy spirit in heaven??

It is a known fact that the Father is greater than the Son,can you please open a scripture to show who is greater than the holy spirit....

sorry, u have to do ur homework and stop asking odas to do it 4 u.

ijawkid: And please tell me in what context some translations rendered matthew 18:26??

The trinity dogma is your problem.....

a human and his servant non of them was called God in d preceeding passage.

ijawkid: Please explain why on earth would the angels literally worship Jesus as if Jesus was there GOD.......is Jesus the God of the angels in the heavens??

yeah he his, he has authority over all, he created dem all

Now it seems to be killing you that other translations used the right expression like ""adore"" and ""bow""..........

y wil i b suprised that someone couldnt interprete well.

The angels aint trinitarians....are they?

ofcuz

Now lets see

Boomark: See what you should be saying. Because Ubenedictus have a son, it doesn't make his son ubenedictus.

very correct, Jesus isnt d father, but ubenedictus and his son have d same nature.

Besides your son dint even like your name that's why he chose to answer Christiantus.(hahaha)

d different persons im nt suprised

While it is clear that ubenedictus is the god of his son and has given him authority over everything he own, its also clear that Christiantus must subject himself to ubenedictus(1cor15:28) so that ubenedictus will be all in all.

i can relate to this.

But some outsiders, seeing that Christiantus commands ubenedictus' investments and not knowing that ubenedictus is all in all in his family, started saying that Christianitus is equal to ubenedictus.

no! This is where i disagree, ubenedictus servant saw that ubenedict gave birth to christianus and they said christianus is equally human in nature as ubenedictus, they said the have equal nature they called it co equality.

Its a shame that some of them have the documentary of what happened but couldnt understand it. Even Ubenedictus of nairaland.

now i can catch d fun at d end and i laugh. Bookmark finished his analogy and fogot or delibrately refused to add that that ubenedictus and christianus posses d fulness of d human nature and both are human.

frosbel: And how does Father, Son and Holy Spirit translate to God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit.

Surely this is not what this scripture is saying , no ?

did u notice that d word name is in singular? Or is that an idom?

I saw u were vanished in the other topic, u shuld tank me for giving u a way out. Take a look at d parallels

ijawkid: Still on the co equality issue abi??

Who gave the son Godhood??

wu gave ijawkid his humanhood.

Would the son even be considered as a God if the Father didn't bestow it on Him??

wuld ijawkid b considerd human if his parents didnt bestow it on him?

Your head barely thinks anymore......

ur head bearly tinks.

Tell me one thing that Jesus possesses that wasn't given to Him...........

The moment your slow thinking brain thinks for a moment about this fact you won't equate Jesus to his God and Father......

How would u equate one who recieves from the all powerful Yahweh??

hw wuld u say ijawkid is equally human if he recieved from his parents?

Why on earth would Jesus receive anything from a co -equal??

y would iJawkid recieve anytin from one he is equally human wit.
Do u see y u dont make sense?

Jesus is suppose to be having all the power from eternity as u claim...but NO...

i said he recieved all by d fact dat he was begotten, he recieve all from all eternity.

He waited to be given......

hmm...

Boomark: Please does this in any way prove that they should fast to him or prove trinity. We are now answering strong questions not this type na.

I will like you to go and research who gave him the disciples, bridegroom and bride, why we fast and who we pray to. It will help you to start proper.

Stick around, you will learn a lot from us.
Cheers.

oh we can pray to d son my bible says "anything u ask me in my name i will do", we can also pray to d fada thru d son and in d holyspirit

Boomark: Let me explain it to you
because you refuse to pay
attention to v21. ' the temple is
in His body'.

where did u get d word "in"?

Read this:
jn12:6-8
6 But i tell you that some thing
greater than the temple is
here....8 For lord of the sabbath
is what the Son of man is.

I hope you know that Christ is
our High priest. When He came,
everything the priest and
phareseas were doing in the
temple matters no more cos
the High priest has come. He
controls everything in the
temple of God as the High
priest.

See what happened. In three
days God raised Him from dead
and He in turned raised the
temple for God as the High
priest just as it is the work of
the priest, Levites etc to raise/
build a temple for God. He is
our High priest in service to
God. Read your Hebrew well.

This is the explanation. Or are you still having doubts?

gbrookes02: No it means while Jesus was dead He raised Himself up from the dead. Your twisting of words is most amazing, and you are talking about trinitarians been illogical you are most amazing.

it seems u just found out

frosbel: So according to you , not only was John lying , Peter and Paul were also lying when they said :


"But the one whom God raised from the dead did not see decay. - Acts 13:37"
- PAUL


"You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this. - Acts 3:15 "
- PETER


By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also - 1 Corinthians 6:14 "
- PAUL


So now you have called 3 major apostles who walked and talked with JESUS Liars !!

See what this idol is doing to you , SMH.

ur problem is that u are cherry picking. U choose what d like and discard d rest. D bible is a unified whole, d same bible that says d fada raised d son also says d son raised himself, it isnt either/or, no! It is both.