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ijawkid: Jesus didn't also assume d power to forgive sins or judge people or condemn people.....

He was also given that power from a higher source........

The final point is both d priests and Jesus forgive sins.............

Look up italo's words he quoted from d scriptures.....mayb I can re-quote them....

""John 20:21 - before He grants them
the authority to forgive sins, Jesus says
to the apostles, "as the Father sent
me, so I send you." As Christ was sent
by the Father to forgive sins, so Christ
sends the apostles and their successors
to forgive sins""...

Do u now see what I mean

Its a chain........

ijawkid: Oh now u guys can come out and say Jesus did give his disciples d authority to forgive sins........I agree with that......


But didn't some1 also give Jesus d authority to forgive sins?

My point?

Normally when I have arguments here on NL as regards d trinity ish,one point trinity apologist give is that Jesus forgave people there sins.......

And that it is only God almighty that has d right to forgive sins and so Jesus is Yahweh or almighty God because he forgave sins.......


Now from ya point even his disciples can forgive sins absolutely(ur priests)))))))


I think ur priests are part of d trinity...

maryswags: For me, confessing to a priest is wrong because Jesus christ came to die for our sins. in the old testament it was necessary to atone for our sins via d blood of animals and all that stuff, but in the new testament, jesus christ is our mediator. we should confess our sins to Jesus christ the living God

OLAADEGBU: And while you are still at it let me give you some food for thought.

When I first learnt about the doctrine of the Immaculate conception I thought that they referred to the Virgin conception of our Lord Jesus Christ but then to my dismay the RCC proved me wrong when they defined their dogma that it was referring to "Virgin Mary's" sinless conception.

Luke 1:46-47 disproves the theory of the immaculate conception or the total absence of original sin in Mary as taught in the RCC.

Mary said these words:

"And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Saviour"

If she acknowledges God as her Saviour, what was she saved from if not sin? It follows that if God was her Saviour then she must have been a sinner in order to be saved.

Mary had already admitted that she needed a Saviour and in obedience she brought her sin offering according to the Jewish tradition of mothers, which was two turdledoves to the temple for purification. (Lev.12:6-8; Lk.2:21-24).

"And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb. And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord; (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that opens the womb shall be called holy to the Lord And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, a pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons" (Luke 2:21-24).

It is another deception that Mary did not consumate her marriage after the birth of Jesus, as she had four sons and at least three daughters. Check them out in the following scriptures. Luke 8:19; Matt.13:55-56; Mark 6:3; Matt.1:25; Lk.2:7; Psalms 69:8-9; Matt. 12:46-50; Mk.3:31-35; Lk.8:19-21; Jn.2:12; 7:3-10; Acts.1:14; and it is most likely that the Elect Lady referred to in second epistle of John was Mary and her children.

These false doctrines and others were started by the pagans in the RCC around 300-310 AD in their attempt to raise the profile of Mary from a mere 'handmaid of the Lord' Lk.1:38 to that of "mother of God" and to invest her with divine powers as a goddess. Hence, preparing the way for identifying her as the goddess of paganism, who is supposed to be the mother of a divine son, and who is yet a virgin. Such as Isis, the mother of Horus who is depicted to be always with a son in her arms, or Diana in Ephesus known as the mother of gods identified with Semiramis or Ashtoreth and Baal in Israel. or Venus and Jupiter in Rome known as goddess and child. It is no surprise that the adherents of Islam and other occultic groups have the misconception that Christians believe in God the Father, the Mother and the Son as trinity.

The RCC even honours Mary as the spouse of the Holy Spirit.

OLAADEGBU: The Oracles of God determine what is or not the inspired Word of God and it needs no interpretation because it did not come from any private interpretation.

"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished to all good works" (2 Timothy 3:16).

Here is what Isaac Newton said about the Holy Scriptures:

"We account the Scriptures of God to be the most sublime philosophy. I find more sure marks of authencity in the Bible than in any profane history whatsoever"

Even the accurate history books cannot compare to these books of supernatural origin, and certainly can't be compared by mythical books of pagans. If your book goes contrary to what is written in the 66 books of the Bible then you are on your own.

You can read it in Fox's book of Martyrs, there you will find out the fate of the apostles and many others.

Philip was stoned to death in Phrygia, A.D. 54;

Peter was crucified in Rome, A.D. 69;

Paul was beheaded in Rome in A.D. 69;

Andrew was crucified in Achaia, A.D. 70;

Matthew was beheaded in Ethiopia, A.D. 70;

Thomas was speared to death at Calamino, A.D. 70;

James (The Less) was clubbed to death in Jerusalem, A.D. 63;

John was abandoned on the Isle of Patmos, A.D. 63.

A Church father named Justin Martyr said:

"You can kill us, but you cannot do us any real harm"

He was martyred in A.D. 165.

Will you accept the Biblical references that I will quote as your final authority in all matters of doctrine or is it your church that takes priority?

OLAADEGBU: Whatever our Lord Jesus Christ or His apostles said orally that was not written down in Scriptures cannot contradict what has been written, they can only corroborate it. So whatever oral tradition that you've been indoctrinated with that has no basis or backing from the inspired Word of God should not be taken as the Word of God.

We have words of God, words of men and words of devils. Whatever contradicts or opposes the written Word of God should be disposed of.

As for the the apostles that were or were not martyred you can consult historical books written. We only have the first martyr written the Acts of the Apostles shortly before Peter was arrested. And if you are challenging me to give you Scriptures that contradict your so called Immaculate Conception I would gladly oblige your indulgence.

OLAADEGBU: Whatever dogma revealed to your church should not contradict the inspired Word of God. Have you forgotten the lot of those who either add or subtract to the word of God?

Historical records can be read but this does not mean that they should be included to the inspired Words of God.

Ptolomeus: 1. 1. You do not just read Luke, read the entire Bible.


Matthew 12:46-47 - "While Jesus was speaking to the crowd, his mother had
and his brothers. Standing outside, and wanted to talk to him. Someone said:
'Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, wanting to talk to you. "(NIV)
Matthew 13:55-56 - "Is not this the carpenter's son?
Is not his mother called Mary, and not his brothers James,
Joseph and Simon and Judas? Are not all his sisters with us?
So where did all these things? "

Mark 6:2-3 - "When the Sabbath came, he began teaching in the synagogue.
- Where did this man get these things? - said many wonder
who heard him -. What wisdom is this which has been given?
What explains these miracles that come from your hands?
Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of
James, Joses, Judas and Simon?
Are not his sisters here with us? "
Juan2: 12 - "After this he went down to Capernaum with his
mother, his brothers and his disciples, and
were there a few days. "
Hechos1: 14 - "All in one spirit, engaged
to prayer, along with women and
with the brothers of Jesus and his mother Mary. "
1 Corintios9 :4-5 - "Have we not right to eat and
to drink? Have we no right to travel
accompanied by a believing wife, as do other
apostles and Cephas and the brethren of the Lord? "
Galatians 1:19 - "I saw no other apostles;
except James, the brother of the Lord. "

After that, I accept your apology in advance. But do not quote the bible if you do not know.

2. Impose ideas on you? No way!.
My only intention is that you cease to be an ignoramus who talks about something that does not know, and give you a bath of humility that allows you to be humble and allow you to be an irrational fanatic.
You say a woman has a child and stay virgin? Ignorance and aberration Go! The child was born by the ear?
You try to reason, to grow.

3 In no passage is said that Joseph and Mary never had se.x. Much less after the birth of Jesus and his brothers.
Perhaps you are suggesting that Joseph and Mary had some kind of special s.ex?, Not vaginal?. That seems abominable from you!

4. Ok I accept your apology. It appears that you have had a moment of sanity. Right.
It would be good that you also understand that if Joseph and Mary had s.ex after the birth of Jesus (that says it yourself!), There was no reason to not have before.

You said earlier that Joseph and Mary had chosen a se.xless marriage ... now says otherwise ...

It is very difficult for you, to defend an indefensible position without falling into contradictions and you ridicule.
Think before you write, or be exposed to new situations ridiculous.
My respects.

OLAADEGBU: Tell what basis has this dogma got in biblical truth.

OLAADEGBU: Agreed, that you didn't start the discussion but you must agree that we have digressed from the main issue at hand here but 'am not complaining as long as the truth and not dogma is preached.

OLAADEGBU: There is no doubt that Jesus is the firstborn of God but does that rule out other siblings after His birth?

"And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS" (Matthew 1:25) The Evidence Bible.

Mary certainly remained a virgin after her marriage to Joseph until after the birth of her firstborn son, Jesus. Later, however, she did have other sons. You can check it out again in (Matthew 12:46).

We are talking of His siblings from Mary and not adopted sons into the family of God. Let's not mix issues here.

ijawkid: Oh imaginary

The valley of hinnom
U need to read ya bible more bro...........

That valley was a known location in isreal............

The word ""hell"" isn't even suppose to be in d bible more or else ""hell fire"".................


I bet u know that

This myth called hell fire is one of d greatest false doctrines in christendom that has realy infact made many to stop serving God.............


Purgatory,limbo all of them.........

Crazy crazy crazy.............

OLAADEGBU: The main reason I mentioned evolution was to bring us back to the main topic that I believe we have drifted from until you brought up one of your dogmas.

OLAADEGBU: If that's how you see it then, I apologise for the logical fallacy. The fact still remains that Mary didn't remain a virgin after the birth of her "firstborn son" because there were the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th born to say the least that were sired by her and Joseph, Jesus' "legal" father.

Ptolomeus: Dear.
I'm not talking about your personal life. I do not want at all. It occurs when you try to justify the virginity of Mary and Joseph (or perhaps Joseph was unfaithful to Mary) you appealing decisions and situations that are just your imagination, (as the Bible does not talk about virginity of Jesus or the apostles, nor explains why Joseph and Mary never had sex) I intend to make it clear to you that a third party can never know exactly how the sex life of another.
Do not invent things.

Be objective.
You have decided to live without love does not mean that Jesus and Mary have decided that stupidity.[/qoute] pls talk about something meaningful. What do u understand by love? Is sex love? I think your brain is messedup pls prove me wrong.
[quote]It is absolutely impossible that Mary was a virgin before Jesus was born, and you know it.

Really I do not at all interested in his private life, but if you were maybe a normal person would not be so fanatical and not judge the historical facts for their own decisions.

ijawkid: "Gehenna" is the Greek form of the
Hebrew "ge-hinnom." It literally means "valley
of Hinnom" Sometimes it is referred to as the
"valley of the sons of Hinnom." In the Old
Testament "Tophet(h)" also refers to this
place. "Gehenna" is a valley that lays on the
west and southwest of Jerusalem. In the
valley, Israel offered up its children as a
burnt offering to a god who came to be known
as Moloch.....



Gehennah's location is known......

If u want I could take u there.................

ijawkid: What is d lake of fire my brother


A literal burning furnace or what??


Shuld we go to revelations??

Some1 can't cme Ùp here and talk about hell as if he knew what he was saÝin.................


Jesus went to hell I'm happy u knw that......................

logicboy: Thanks for the info!

the funclub enterprise: Are u saying u have never been slapped against ur will?
Are u saying u have never slapped any1?
Then do u agree wit me that u should prosecute some people to court or u should be prosecuted to court too if ur answers are yes and this should be an evidence that u hav assulted people too?

When did slap turn such a big deal in 9ja!...its an assult that we have all embrassed since all of us are guilty if u wanna put it this way!!
Why blow it out of proportion cos its a man of God involved now?

Ptolomeus: I did not say that Joseph was ga.y, or that Mary was frigid. But those are the only explanations to be true what you say.
But. You are a virgin, does not have se.x with women, you say that does not mastu.rbate, I guess you have constant wet dreams ... that's not healthy ... This causes prostate disorders, and psychological. Perhaps these mental disorders due to sexu.al repression are the cause of their folly with such concerns are voiced.
You know the sexu.al issue and are reviewing ... you have never seen a woman nake.d, you do not know what a premature or a sexu.al act natural, but you want to review the se.x of Mary and Joseph.
A tip ... act like a man to gain experience and then opine, but do not opine about something that does not know.
Finally, sexu.al repression in men causes prostate cancer.
Take care of yourself.

OLAADEGBU: That is what I will call circumstantial ad hominem fallacy, which is where a critic simply dismisses a person's argument based on the arguer's circumstances. Where have I used your circumstance to falsify your claim?

OLAADEGBU: That is what I will call circumstantial ad hominem fallacy, which is where a critic simply dismisses a person's argument based on the arguer's circumstances. Where have I used your circumstance to falsify your claim?

OLAADEGBU: That is what I will call circumstantial ad hominem fallacy, which is where a critic simply dismisses a person's argument based on the arguer's circumstances. Where have I used your circumstance to falsify your claim?

buzugee: and you know this because you were the fly on the wall during that period ? you know for a fact that she did not have se-x ? she told you this personally that she did not have s-ex with joseph ? even when the bible contradicts your theory huh ?

the funclub enterprise: How many previous cases of slaps have been reported to court??
My teachers slapped me!
I grew up being slapped by my dad!,my mum!,my siblings!.
Police has slapped me!!
and I have seen a lot of slapsss everywhere in this country!....brutality worse than slaps!!
How many have been reported to the police let alone taken up by human rights activist!!

This is a big example of people who wants to bring his ministry down!!
I don't attend his church, but I'm a good christain and I sure know spirituality and logic don't go!!..in anything if u care to argue pls do!,no religion can u apply logic to that a question mark won't arise!
What the man did is a spiritual thing!
He can be tried!, even prosecuted, yes!,but ask urself how many cases have been treated like this?? If the girls isn't a witch or a betrayer why fight against ur leader!, why did she come out when he said witches should come out?
I know fegurson man u's coach once slapped a player, an international scene!, why wasn't he prosecuted.
Men I rest my case jor!....I see a lot of haters here!
if slapping is punishable in africa we should all be in jail!!
I have slapped people brutally and I have been slapped .....plss arrest me after this young man of God!....rubbish!

OLAADEGBU: Evolution is what the OP about but the issue of Mary having other children is the side issue. The only reason I related it to your issue is that Evolutionists also hold tenaciously to the theory that the ape-like creatures are their ancestors just as you are holding to the dogma that Mary remained a Virgin after the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ.

And as to the phrase Ad hominem, it can either be abusive or circumstantial. The bottom line is that it is an attack against the person making the claim. And I believe that I didn't attack, insult or abuse your person.

OLAADEGBU: Don't mind me my broda, I agree with you on this point.