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callydon: i dn't normally comment on
such issues as dis but i hate it wen people use wrong premise to come to a fallacious conclusion. The catholics believe dat man is made UP of d body, spirit, soul n mind. I believe no church is PERFECT n ur church won't take u to heaven,its only a means of attaining heaven.Having said dat,am nt going to criticise any church, but d ONLY thing I can't get abt d WITNESSES is there believe dat there's no HELL,wen d evidence of hell is scattered throughout d new testament.
I Rest My Case.

you misunderstood my point. The johova witness do not believe that a human being have a soul. Any witness here can clarify

ijawkid: It doesn't mind what name I call it??

Realy?

It might surprise u to know that Jesus went to hell and stayed for 3days..................


Define what hell means my bro and let's get on with it.................

You can't just mention d word hell and think its final............

Let§ analyze and see what it is............

Like I said earlier there is also d lake of fire and it will surprise u to actually knw what it is ........

I believe u already know

learn please the word translated for hell in Jesus case is 'hades' or 'shoel'. It does not mean hell fire, it mean a place where the saints rested before the death of christ. The words used for the true hell fire are usually 'gehena' lake of fire etc

ijawkid: Answer me naaa

I asked u questions..........

Is peter d rock or Jesus

it seem you have never heard of delegated authority. Well that is what happened, Jesus the rock per excellence delegated and granted peter authority and power as a rock for his church on earth. I think st cyril has that explanation.

[quote author=i.chuka]Apologies sir, my point is that we should let them be...For the Wind blows wherever it pleases.you hear its sound,but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going,so it is with one born of the Spirit..Jhn3:8.
Sir,the Holy Spirit is in charge of these despensension,we should be submissive/obedient to all His activities in our lifes.
There's nothing wrong with that mode of prayers,long as the Holy Spirit is the custody of the gathering.[/quote]good point, my bible also says 'test all spirits', Jesus says in the book of John, 'the spirit will glorify me...he shall take from what is mine'. The holyspirit is also the spirit of christ that is y he says ' i shall ask the fada and he shall send u another paraclete'. the spirit cannot and doesnot contradict Jesus because Jesus word becos he is the spirit of the son, Jesus say 'pray for ur enemies' he didnt say pray against them. He said love ur enemies he didnt say hate them. St paul futher clarifies that the best thing you can do against ur enemies is to for them. By this i am saying that any spirit that contradicts the very words of Jesus is not the holyspirit.

[quote author=i.chuka]In your previous post you said "spirits dont die" now you acclaim spiritual death is possible,[/quote]spirit is immortal it doesnt die. Spiritual death is another word i use for the effect of sin. When i say spiritual death im refering to the passage that says 'the soul that sinnest shall die' die is also the word God uses to warn adam. It doesnt mean that soul are mortal it imply a seperation from God the source of life. So when a soul is seperated from the source of life it lacks spiritual power and that soul is said to have experience spiritual death. I didnt say a soul is mortal dont misunderstand me.

Seriously,do you know Christ?have you given your life to Him?

good questions, i know christ and i have already given my life to him.

I counsel you to start from being born again,there's nothing to be ashame of,just give your life to Him,then we can discuss on the same Ground.

i think you are trying to insult me. Please if you have something to say about the points i raised point it out, please and please dont speculate about me. How do you just assume that a person is not born again What do u understand by born again?
If you want to go around pray for your enemies to die, just remember christ words that says love your enemies. In this world there will be evil people and your job as a christain is to convert not kill them

patriot2: First of all for your argument to hold, the majority of Lagosians would have to be muslims, or shall I say the majority of Yoruba would have to be muslims. Moreover the governor was voted in by the people and he acted according to the powers invested in him, he didn't plan any military coup to become a governor. The governor is not a general, he will not be obeyed if he goes against the law.

i think he went against the law because it is clear that the state has no power against a religion. Distroying their place of worship is uncalled for.

So now I get that some of you would gladly sacrifice Nigeria and Nigerians to save one page of a coran: I am sorry but you people fit the description of traitors and "enemies within".

i think you are speculating. First of all im not a muslim. The government can stop all worship in the mosque till the bokoharam threath pass away. Demolishing the mosques is wasting an asset, money was spent on that mosque. At time drastic measures need to be taken to ensure security but this was over done. Stoping everyone from going to those mosques is a better solution

you people's religion has corrupt your vision on everything, you don't even think freely anymore, you can not be objectif about anything which touches your religion. But know that religion, just like love, is a mental disfontion which could have positive or negative effects: for example we have something called crime for love, the same way we have terrorism.
I think any ruler who sacrifices common sense for religion is bound to failure.

my dear i greet you, i cherish a well seasoned arguement but what you wrote above is an attempt to insult me. If you dont want to discuss it tell me and i'll drop it. Please i beg dont insult me please.

daminakambai: are there only catholics and johova witnesses in the bible religion? where do we place other sects in this argument?

good question

newmusic: Give it to Jehovah Witness, I am not a member anyway... I read their books a lot and I have gained a lot from them and I went to a catholic school where we recite the Angeles every day. They are both good though but Jehovah Witness to me is better...

just a little correction, catholic dont have a prayer called angeles but they have a prayer called 'angelus' (it means 'the angel' the prayer is called angelus becos that is among the first words of the prayer). I also read their books the most surprising thing i found is that they dont believe that a human has a soul. Your post shows your opinion and i respect it

ijawkid: U can keep on denying my bro.....

Keep on!!!!!!!


If nigeria goes to war today won't ur fellow catholics join in fighting for nigeria?

good question, wont protestants go to war? The engagement of war in catholicism should only happen when all other measures have fail or when it is necessary to resue the oppressed from an unjust oppressor or to defend when attacked in these case a war may be just. Tell me that there are no protestants in the army.

Won't u urself pick up a gun all in d name of defending ur nation?

no i wont unless i have the enemy in my backyard trying to attack my family.

Haven't we watched ur Fathers and priests pray for d army to go to war?

that was some centuries ago. It hasnt happened in recent times

Oboy if u want proof go and read ur history,,,............

atleast the vatican never supported any of the recent wars

The catholic church has always been in d fore front of this worlds politics and wars......

that is a overgeneralisation, the church has not alway been in all wars in human history. The church was not in word war 1 and2 she was not in iran iraq, isreal gaza, israel lebanon. In recent times the church has been neutral in war.

Soon u'll start denying what u guys did with d crusade.......

the church has already accepted responsibility for the crusades nobody is deneying that. The crusade happened centuries ago. The crusade is not a recent war. The crusade was to free jerusalem that was captured by the muslims. I told you before that a war is considered just when against an unjust oppressor.

I said as a group and as individual catholics u guys have supported wars....

that is true to an extent my arguement is that the church has a whole, the vatican to be specific has not support any war in recent times.

My relatives who were stunch catholics took part in d biafra war....I know ur relations did too....

well according to the principles used by st thomas of aquinas, the biafra war should never have happened. There were many available ways to resolve the issues. My relatives didnt support nor did they anything to do with the biafra war, im from the then middle belt, the biafra war didnt affect us and we didnt fight in it

Stop denying bro
Am I wrong??

you are wrong in some things, i was talking about recent times. The time the crusades happened the protestant churches had not even existed. Im not trying to deny anything, i simply want a fair discussion

OLAADEGBU: That's where you got it wrong. Ad hominem is directing an argument against the person making the claim rather than the claim itself. The phrase is a Latin word which means "to the man".

Anyone using this logical fallacy hopes that people will reject their opponents claim because there is something objectionable about the person making the claim which is irrelevant to the claim the opponent is making.

one of the worst thing you can do to the truth is to cut it or withold some of it. The logical fallacy 'to the man' is not limited to abuse it also includes condeming unrelated issues what you consider negatives in the persons belief. You just tried to condem evolution (a totally unrelated issue) in your attempt to downgrade my belief system. Im sure wiki says the same thing.

OLAADEGBU: Do you believe that the "Church" here does not mean the RCC?

are you trying to be troublesome? The church here as i understand it is not a denomination, to speak in simplicity it refers to the catholic church. I know you will ask for clarification.

Ptolomeus: You say that I am a heretic?
You! you claim that Joseph was a cuc.kold!
You say that Joseph was g.ay or impotent ... You're a heretic!
You have not thought that maybe your virgin status is hurting your brain?
Mastur.bation is also a sin, generates habit and is not healthy ...

you are trying to put words im my mouth. You are the person who said that joseph is gay, impotent and that mary musturbate. My point remains that mary was a virgin. And lastly my dear friend i dont masturbate.

An ad hominem is an attempt to downgrade your opponents arguement by pointing to percieved negatives in your opponents belief. You just tried to downgrade my arguement by pointing fingers on what you consider negatives in my believes like evolution

frosbel: Most people do not realize that the Roman Catholic Church teaches that the Pope, along with the Magisterium (Catholic teaching office) is necessary for the interpretation of God’s Word. That is absolutely mind-boggling, but that is exactly what they teach. Here is an excerpt from their 1994 Catholic Catechism:

RCC-Catechism-1994 #100
“The task of interpreting the word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him.”

But The Bible Tells Us That The Holy Ghost Is Our Teacher

I was raised as a Roman Catholic, and I sat under the false teachings of Rome for many years, UNTIL the Holy Ghost (Spirit) opened up my eyes to the truth through the scriptures (Bible/God’s Word). I assure you that YOU do not need the Pope to interpret the scriptures for you. If you believe that then you will continue to live in the religious bondage of that whole system, which preaches a false gospel, BUT the choice is your own. Here are some scriptures that show us that the Holy Ghost (Spirit) is the only teacher that you need. Yes, God does raise up certain people to be preachers and teachers in the body of Christ, BUT every true born-again believer in Jesus Christ is taught of the Holy Ghost!

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (John 14:26)

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. (John 16:13)

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. (1 Corinthians 2:12-13)

These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. (Acts 17:11)

William Tyndale was a true man of God who was used by the Lord to get the scriptures (Bible) into the hands of the common people, and Rome was not happy with that at all. William Tyndale opposed the Roman Catholic Church with all of their man-made traditions, and he was eventually murdered by them by being burnt to death at the stake. Tyndale was one of many who met their fate in that manner, and we can all be grateful that we have a Bible in our hands because of men and women of God who stood against Rome. The Roman Catholic Church has not changed their doctrines, and they have added two more false teachings regarding Mary, including the feast of the “Immaculate Conception” and the “Assumption of Mary into Heaven.” There are many Christian “leaders” who have been seduced by this false religious system over the years, but the Word of God still stands true against their false teaching.


William Tyndale met a man one day who declared the following:

“We were better to be without God’s laws then the Pope’s”

Master Tyndale hearing this, full of Godly zeal, and not bearing that blasphemous saying, replied

“ I defy the Pope and all his laws; and added, that if God spared him life, ere many years he would cause a boy that driveth the plough, to know more of the scripture than he did.”

William Tyndale-Foxes Book Of Martyrs-page 139

Source

easy, the cathechism was simply attesting a fact it happen in the council of Jerusalem. The holy spirit work through and in the church that is why the council says 'it seem good to the holyspirit and to us' please read the whole cathechism dont just read some sections. Tyndale was a guy who ask permission to translate the bible and the english bishop refused because he lack sufficient knowledge of latin and could not translate the vulgate the authoritative version but instead of learning the language and gathering scholar so he could reapply, he went to germany and started to produce 'underground' bible. When the bible was first published the bishops took a copy and analysied it it was full of errors i think about 4000 errors. He was warned but refused to stop. He was arrested according to the state law that forbade wrong translation and was sentence according to the law. Please i like it when people ask questions but i dont appreciate distructive critisism

OLAADEGBU: Christ Our Solid Foundation

"For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ" (1 Corinthians 3:11)

A building is as strong as its foundation. The need for a strong foundation arises because it sustains the entire structure and enables the building to withstand all external climatic pressures. The storm will arise, the wind will blow, the flood will descend and beat upon it, yet the structure will stand.

The Church, the body of believers is one foundation with Jesus Christ as its cornerstone. Ministers, preachers and all who are called into the ministry cannot do an enduring work where the increase does not come from God. "He that planteth and he that watereth are one" (1 Cor. 3:8.) All faithful followers of Christ are one in the great task of the ministry. Their reward will also be in proportion to their diligence and faithfulness. If we are used of God to do anything for the furtherance of the Gospel, we should always remember that we are only by divine grace.

There is the danger of building our own fancies or false reasoning on the foundation of divine revelation. "Other foundation can no man lay than that is laid." Those who build upon this foundation with gold, silver or precious stones (verse 12) will tenaciously hold on to the truth as it is in Jesus Christ. But others who build upon false foundation with wood, hay and stubble with their works will suffer outright destruction on the last day. There is a great day coming in which our actions will be examined in the true gospel light and every man's work shall be made to manisfest (verse 13).

The true believer's body is the temple of God. christians should therefore, "be holy, pure and clean both within and without." Our services must also be rendered in similar light. Every teaching or knowledge that is not of Christ should be discarded. That way, we will posssess the capacity to withstand the storms of life.

Thought For The Day: Christ is the Cornerstone on whom every hope is anchored

For more . . . .

amen to this

ijawkid: Oboy so ur telling me no cathoic member goes to war or has supported tribal wars or nationalistic wars in this our recent times?

i think you misunderstood my point, catholic member have supported some war and im sure that there are protestants in the army, but the church hasnt expressed support for wars in recent times.

Who are u telling that to
Me?
Don't let logic boy meet u here to give u some hi§tory........

i have no problem with logic boy it seems you misunderstood my point.

As iÑdividuals and as a group d catholics have supported wars and d worlds poilitics.....
Jehovahs witnesses are totally neutral both as individuals and as a group.....

how can a christain group preach that its member should not participate in politic Is that right The church does not preach any particular party so i consider it neutral.

U forget how ya popes spare headed d crusades.got involved in the both world wars.....
Who are some of d soldiers in the U.S marines that have gone to fight wars for there country

the crusades happened many centuries ago and im talking about recent time. The marines in the US are both catholics, protestant and atheist.

What
About thÉ biafra war?
Didn't catholic members get involved??

didnt protestants get involved? The catholic church was neutral to the biafra war. Cant you show me one letter from the vatican that supported the war?? No?? The church didnt support that war.

As a group and as individuals catholics will always support wars.........
Its a fact......

Where do u think d other christian denominations got d thinking that christians shuld engage in d politics of this world if it was nt d papacy who started it

Or have u thrown away ur history books??

I compare because of what I see d witnesses believe and do.....

i thought protestants got it from the bible, the papacy in recent times has been political neutral. It teach the christain should be good leader just like the bible preaches but the church is not and does not support a political party

Abi na lie[/quote]good post ijawguy it is true that many catholic support some war as it is sometime necessary to use limited violence to rescue the oppressed from the hands of an unjust oppressor, just open your bible and you will find instance. The catholic church hasnt as a body supported any war for about 100years. Please provide proof that the catholic church support the 2 world wars

Ptolomeus: Perfect answer.
It's amazing the selectivity with which some read the Bible ...
So forget when the Bible speaks of Jesus' brothers, to highlight the character "virgin" Mary ...
Supposedly, before the appearance of the angel, Mary and Joseph despite being married had not had se.x ever ...
Irony!

sorry before the appearance of the angel mary didnt have sex

ijawkid: And then david too is d father of God...

Abii

Because Jesus is davids son as the scripture says.....

Catholics are crazy set of idolaters!!!!....


Madness!!...

Just keep worshiping mary and wait for Jesus's anger when d end comes...

please you need to learn simple biology, joseph adopted Jesus, non of Jesus genetic material came from joseph, so joseph cant be called father in the true sense. But that is not same for mary. Mary carried God made flesh in her womb for 9 months and gave birth to him that is why the church for 2000yrs call mary, 'theotokus' meaning 'GOD BEARER'.

patriot2: bull.shit, who decides what qualifies as a faith ? Who decides what qualifies as a house of worship ? All this is b.ullshit. The government and the state should be above all this c;rap.

the power of the state is actually delegated to it by the people. A state that cant respect the faith of it people is tyranical. It would help this discussion if you are polite.

[quote author=i.chuka]God told Adam in Gen2:17...for when you eat of it you will surely Die.but when Adam ate of the fruit in chapther3 did he die?No.
Then what's the meaning of the above statement?it simply meant the disassociation/separation from direct fellowship with God.
Am not a member of the Church,but i do believe such prayers implies the complete separation from things thats not of God in their life.
It works for them,you guys should let them be.[/quote]GOD told adam he will die, in the hebrew and greek scripture the word 'die' was repeated thus indicate that it was a figure of speech to 'die die' means to die spiritually. It is wrong to pray for the spiritual or physical death of someone. Learn of christ.

ijawkid: If we are to weight them on a scale I think d witnesses are better.....

They dnt engage in idolatry.......

They dnt believe in an inferno,

They are neutral in politics and war...

and as a group collectively and as individuals they practice what they learn

I so like that about them......

i forgot to add that they dont believe that man has a soul

ijawkid: If we are to weight them on a scale I think d witnesses are better.....

They dnt engage in idolatry.......

They dnt believe in an inferno,

They are neutral in politics and war...

and as a group collectively and as individuals they practice what they learn

I so like that about them......

what scale are u using? Where did u get the idea that catholic practice idolatry? So you are happy that witness believe there is no hell fire right? And for ur information the CC is not in politic and war is all about the right principle but the CC for a long time hasnt supported war. I have witnesses in my family and they dont practice anything. It is really a bad idea to compare the two and you did a really bad job trying to compare.

OLAADEGBU: Do you actually know what Ad Hominem means? If you do can you briefly explain?

i wont waste my time trying to explain it. Search for it google will help.

OLAADEGBU: Listen to someone who used to share your beliefs before he saw the light. You might learn a thing or two about who your foundation really is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLE9hz8cIt8

so youtube is your bible uh? He is not an authority at all.

Ptolomeus: You refer to "trash" as a parable?, Figuratively? or as a sacred tradition?

hahaha so in ur village trash is a parable uh? Sacred tradition is the teachings of christ hand by christ to his apostles down to our time. You need to read your bible to understand the meaning of sacred tradition.

Please answer to which of the possibilities that Joseph should not have sex with Mary.
For Mary was a virgin WAS NECESSARY
a) That Joseph did self (that ugly ... that does not speak well of Joseph)
b) That Joseph WAS ga.y
c) That Mary was frigid
d) That Mary was a le.sbian
e) That Were Mary and Joseph bis.exual
f) That Joseph WAS impotent.
It would really be preferable Been That HAD normal ... If These Were the parents of god ... what is for Jesus!

try to speak coherently it seem you are blabbing

You are making fools defending this.
In a society such as the Roman libertine ... what woman had se.x in the middle of the street? Mary was the exception?
Although it is something nasty, I can accept that Mary had se.x with a spirit (that filth ... that se.xual deviation) but you do not ask me to believe that Mary was a virgin as well ...
Few women would have se.x with a spirit ... I guess I accept die very promiscuous and experienced.

learn history it will help you, the was moral decadence among greeks and romance but the jews maintain the torah, that is why the tried to stone mary magdalene for adultry. And mary was an exception that is why the angel said 'kecharitomene'. Mary didnt have sex with a spirit because spirit cant have sex, she bore Jesus thru the power of the spirit. Most of what you write is heresy

OLAADEGBU: It should be self explanatory but not to those who hold firmly to their church traditions or ideologies. The evolutionists hold on tenaciously to their false ideology that the ape-like creatures were their ancestors and claim the earth as their mothers. The moment we reject the truth in Scriptures we will be open to the deceptions of the enemy from the pit of hell.

this a a ad hominem, go and learn how to make a good and sound arguement.

joe4christ: [size=15pt] And in addition; John 7:1-10

1 After this, Jesus went around in Galilee, purposely
staying away from Judea because the Jews there were
waiting to take his life. 2 But when the Jewish Feast of
Tabernacles was near, 3 Jesus’ brothers said to him, “You
ought to leave here and go to Judea, so that your
disciples may see the miracles you do. 4 No one who
wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since you
are doing these things, show yourself to the world.” 5 For
even his own brothers did not believe in him.
6 Therefore Jesus told them, “The right time for me
has not yet come; for you any time is right. 7 The world
cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify that
what it does is evil. 8 You go to the Feast. I am not yet a
going up to this Feast, because for me the right time has
not yet come.” 9 Having said this, he stayed in Galilee.
10 However, after his brothers had left for the Feast,
he went also, not publicly, but in secret. [/size]

go and learn the meaning of 'adelphos'

Ptolomeus: 1. Your Bible is very selective. In addition ... Joseph and Mary were not married? Of course not ... They were married in the Catholic church because the church did not exist. But they were a couple. We do not doubt anyone.Understand the historical context. It is impossible to imagine a couple who do not have se.x. Se.x was not sin (or so). For that reason Joseph did not have all the possible se.x with Mary? Even the unimaginable.

this is ignorance, they didnt need a catholic church to be married. Every culture had it own marriage rite the jews also had a marriage rite so mary didnt need the church. Fornication was a sin and mary and joseph didnt fornicate. The church has taught consistently for 2000yrs that mary and joseph did not have sex because their marriage wasnt like other, their marriage was about what God want not sex.ezk 44:2

2. "It can mean" "may refer" "is an issue of tradition" or "is a parable" Come on! Let's not be naive. That remark caused laughter!. I pray you have a bit of seriousness.

sorry you need to learn the meaning of sacred tradition or ask me.

3. XXI century church? But ... you whom I confuses me?
You have drunk too much?
Sacred Tradition? You know what that means? Means "this is sacred, and you accept it and tell you. Not ask or think."
Trash!

you just displayed ignorance again. learn the meaning of sacred tradition and stop talking nonsense and also learn ur church history.

4. Self. Right. Wont back to my original.
For Mary was a virgin was necessary
a) That Joseph did self (that ugly ... that does not speak well of Joseph)
b) That Joseph was ga.y
c) That Mary was frigid
d) That Mary was a le.sbian
e) That Mary and Joseph were bis.exual
f) That Joseph was impotent.
It would really be preferable that had been normal ... IF these were the parents of god ... what is for Jesus!

this is trash

5. Exactly.
At that time it was unthinkable a se.xless marriage. Not talking about modernism but of realities. You make a story no one will believe to blame Joseph homosexuality or frigidity of Maria. Instead of sanctifying, you humiliated.
Accept the logic. Mary and Joseph made se.x three or four times a day ... Nor was convicted of adultery, so that Mary may have had se.x with several men.
Stop making excuses that no one will believe.

trash again. She was in grace not about the world. If she was about the world the angle wouldnt have said 'kecharitomene'. Think b4 u write

Spirits dont die, they can be pursue around. It is wrong to pray that a human die instead pray for his repentance

ijawkid: He mite just be 1 crazy bishop that side tracked....
These are d kinda bishops that also sanction gay marraige in d church....


1st of all d persons going to heaven have an assignment to carry out...

To rule as kings and priests in heaven alongside Jesus....

These are persons who r ®eady take up responsibilty,who already know there's a great task ahead of them.....

These r persons who are ready to follow Jesus where ever he goes....

How can an atheist who hates God,curses him, go to heaven??

To do what


When he or she to start with barely knows why d heavens was made and why persons will go there....


That bishop is sick...

please watch the video and tell me what it says. The is teaching to a good extent true catholic theology

I understand the points made by the OP some people donot ask because they want to learn but to riddicle, please i would beg catholic to answer with well seasoned, logical and polite answer to those arguement this is for the sake of the few sincere ones who are trying to undestand what the church teaches thanks.

Emperoh: Need your help guys: Pls who can get me a print CORPORATE poster of the catholic and anglican church. Pls post picture and tag me, i am carrying out a research work on it. Also, who is the spokes person for the catholic and Anglican churches in Nigeria?

if you really are making a research i'll suggest you visit both churchs, if you have any question on the catholic church please ask me. The spokesperson for the catholic church is most rev dr alaba job head of the bishop conference. The highest ranking prelates are H.E Anthony cardinal Arize and H.E cardinal okogie arch bishop of lagos metropolitan see. I'll give a little history from a catholic p.o.view the catholic church was confirm in 33AD AT THE PENTECOST which began the church's ministry after years of persecution xtainity became the official roman religion under emperor constantin, it then held the council of niceae...later the roman empire fell and the church had full power both civil and spiritual around 1000Ad there was tension between the east and west which lead to the east west divide the east became the orthodox and the west retained the name catholic, later the church gave power back to the princes...around the 15thcentury the pope refused to allow king henry (king of england) to have a second wife so the king proclaim himself the spiritual leader of the church of england and married a second wife (on the long run he married more than 20) that is the origin of the anglican church that is y it is similar to the catholic church. During the 16th century martin luther a catholic priest broke away an that became the first protestant movement it was almost a war. The lutherians influence the anglican doctrine and practice that is y the catholic church doesnt recognise the anglican sacrament...etc. The history is long and i didnt address some things, if you need clarifications pls ask.