₦airaland Forum

olujastro:
Not surprised at this; a combination that happens when a country relies on revenue from commodities like oil and it crashes, and bad governance/corruption/mismanagement is the order of the day.

I always tell people that Nigeria has done very well economically compared to its colleagues that were victims of the same oil price slump; Angola and Venezuela. CNN's Amanpour specifically mentioned these 3 countries in 2014.

Before the 2014/15 oil prices crash:

1 USD = 100 Angolan Kwanza. Today it's = 255. (155% loss of value)
1 USD = N200. Today it's N360. (80% loss of value)
1 USD = 10 Vef. Today it's 120,000 Vef. (1.200,000% loss of value)

It’s easy to see where our currency would have headed if the massive looting was not halted in 2015.

It's time to grow a productive economy built on quality infrastructure and subsequently industrial boom rather than an economic growth that was tied to high oil prices under PDP governments.

point of correction

massive looting was not stopped in 2015, it continues till this day


The reason why Venezuela took a big hit is because they are a socialist economy, and the money is no longer there to finance such system

luckily Nigeria is not socialist


if it was, Nigeria would have collapsed long before


What Nigeria needs as you have rightly said is to get productive

And we also need to send the dullard back to daura and get a better president

We also need a govt that will support the private sector.



My condolence to Venezuela


The worst is yet to come

drlateef:
Just three years ago we had a young PHD holder as president. He presided over the looting of the country. Therefore, what we need is an incorruptible president, nothing more, nothing less.

what is this one saying


What we really need is to strengthened institutions to fight CORRUPTION which the dullard in aso rock has not provided

what should have been his concern is saving the economy on which he failed woefully in.

millions of jobs lost plus capital flight


But what can I say tho


Nigeria js filled with ignorant folks

EvilMetahuman:
[s][/s]only innoson and Pete edochie can be comfirmed.

The rest are either unknown or cannot be comfirmed.

you don't know Ibeto


How old are you?

CSTR1005 come see your friend o

CSTR1005:
lol. This guy is funny.
if I start listing many igbo rich men in the east, you probably won't know them since they live in the east.

If they are running, then why are they building their biggest residential investments in their villages so they can return to ?
Do you spend hundreds of millions on property investment in somewhere you are running from?

Abeg, don't quote me again. I talk am say you no get sense.

And the funny thing is that you actually believe you make sense to yourself.

the guy is just ignorant


you can tell from his comments

ariesbull:
The Igbo just hate Muslims just like japanese , angolans hate Islam and they don't have apologies for that

speak for yourself

me and my family do NOT hate Muslims

We are matured enough to respect freedom of religion.

EvilMetahuman:
[s][/s]he doesn't know the difference between having a house somewhere or actually living there.

How many rich ibo actually live in the east.. name the famous 10 famous rich igbo that actually live In the east.

Innoson lives in the SE

Ezeife lives in the SE

Arthur Eze lives in the SE

Emeka Offor lives in the SE

Ibeto lives in the SE

Erisco tomato CEO lives in the SE

Pete Edochie lives in the South East

there are others too, can't remember their names

But saying such Igbo folks don't stay in the SE is ludicrous and ignorant

All those living in Independence layout and GRA Onitsha are who?

Sap0:
lol.... I live in osogbo, my school is near Ondo and I know Ibadan like the back of my palm, do you know how many Igbos are in those place, in osogbo and Ibadan, their population is something else,not to talk of ondo city and Akure itself.
some of you just speak nonsense for the sake of nonsense.

there is a reason for the fight among igbos In Ibadan for the Ezendigbo title

Do you know the population of Yoruba folks in onitsha? aba or even enugu? (well not too much in enugu sha, but onitsha own is something else)

Migration is not an "Igbo thing" or just an "aboki" thing as many think

Yoruba folks migrate too

even in ph and uyo

rusher14:
There must be religious tolerance.

You must respect other people's choices as long as it doesn't infringe on your own rights.

exactly


But my grouse tho is that religious tolerance should be promoted up north too

But apart from that

I have no problem with a Muslim Igbo person

Your life your choice

Anigreat:






No place for Islam in South East and south south.

Go and establish your caliphate in west and north.

religious intolerance is a sin
Just so you know

Well what can I say
As an Igbo guy, I have nothing wrong with it
Freedim of religion is enshrined in the constitution
So no wahala

Emycord:
so what are the gains of your one nigeria? and just see how you closed your post with "no debate". whats your fear?

not scared of anything

not at all

it's just that no one has empirically presented the gains of Balkanizing the country

all I hear is noise


ok let me throw the question back at you

what is the gains id separation

Loveijaw:
you are not making any sense!
what I said is simple and we all know the Country need's to split, we all need to go home and start fresh ok??
stop begging for unity, you and your people can do it, Go Home Buddy!!

who is begging for unity? ?

you guys shouting split the country has not brought to the fore what we will really gain from the split


All you guys are shouting in typical black man fashion is split split, especially that nicompoop called Nnamdi Kanu

In a civilised country like what happened during the referendum in Scotland, The main proponents of split the country, and don't split the country sparked up debates across the country

Each side brought out in clear terms the benefits that will come from each side, and the argued the disadvantages of the other side

Based on that, the country made theur choice

But what do we have in Nigeria? !
noise making

nnamdi kanu was organising carnivals and insulting others without substance

But anyways

Nigeria is not breaking so no need to even debate

Azmodan:
Wizkids anus will be pounded by that gay

https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/lol1.gif

The suspicions that diddy is gay has been there for a long time


But how can a father of 6 be gay tho

UncleJudax:
Peaceful disintegration will be difficult. Blacks don't like themselves.

This is the same reason why Nigerians have not been able to renegotiate their oneness,,,after 100 years. In stead, you hear things like "it will never be well with Lord Lugard"

Blacks like to blame others for their woes.

Yea

black man running away from problems he can fix is always his trade Mark

That can change tho

Loveijaw:
Oga Nigeria is not working, we need to go our separate ways..

so going your separate ways will automatically make the constituent units start working abi?


Interesting

Ikpongiton:
lam also opposing your point with this.will nigeria be the first country to break up ?how did soviet union shared their national asset ?

Chaotic


Many Soviet states have not recovered till date.

And besides the Soviets were communists

Nowenuse:
That to a large extent is because of state autonomy in the US. Every state controls it rescources and makes its own independent laws over there.

State/ Regional autonomy would have made Nigeria workable to a great extent.

Thank God someone who is thinking

With real state autonomy, many states will be better off


That is in theory sha


But if we fact it in the corruption that has eaten the system

Even state autonomy may fail

verygudbadguy:
That's not what I am insinuating man. Brexit, referendum that happened in Scotland. Those are what I am referring to.

If we want to disintegrate like I suggested, we should toll the path of the civilised like Britain. They vote peacefully on every vital decision that would affect the populace at large.

fair enough


But we have a vast ignorant and unexposed population

will they understand the consequence of what they are voting for?

How about we have a reakurt check


let us really weigh what we stand to gain and lose from both staying together and splitting into smaller countries

Then we make our decision on that

TheAlchemist:
I believe because we have failed to practice true federalism, this is why the chant for disintegration is on the increase.
We need to ensure less concentration of power at the center and allow all federating unit to develop at their own pace, without interference from Abuja.

this really is the solution to Nigeria's problem

verygudbadguy:
Thank you. The earlier we start seeing some of these problems as macro and not limited to a particular region, the better.

No region has monopoly of violence, hate, aggression, talent, resources or wealth. I was a pro- one Nigeria but I have come to a realization that we can't work as a people. Our upbringing and mentality are different. It will make better sense if we can disintegrate peacefully like its done in the civilized climes like Britain.

Britain did not disintegrate o

Who told you that

Upbringing and mentality difference is not enough to scatter the country


The different states in America have different mentality
They are NOT the same


Utah na Mormon state

California na liberal/freestyle state

The deep south has more conservative people etc


Yet they are still together working it out


I believe eventually Nigeria will become a loose federation


But the old generation have to die first

tensazangetsu20:
Cross a well manned border with tall walls and snipers everywhere. Besides it's so easy to spot them as they don't even look and speak as others.

well manned border my black arse

tensazangetsu20:
This same people come out half baked and illiterate and take over all federal institutions and they still want to rule. Just take your time and watch a senate sitting and watch a northern senator speak. This are the same people you think Nigeria will be better with? producing failed nincompoops and morons as leaders.

Half baked graduates and ignorance is a NATIONAL PROBLEM.

tensazangetsu20:
Yeah they are modernising alright with fulani herdsmen boko Haram and the other new one what's the name. If you read comments on Facebook from their so called graduates you would vomit

did you know how boko haram started?


The fulani herders and farmers clashing is the failure of the govt too.


Because Even if Nigeria is split, if thr fundamental isdues are not handled, they will still cross the border and enter


The north is NOT a monolith as you guys erroneously believe it to be.


Anyways

Hydrolysis:
it's not about starting a debate with you because that will be a waste of time to someone that do not know what's on ground

Okay sir

Ezigbo mmadu

you know what is on ground

tensazangetsu20:
Yeah they are modernising alright with fulani herdsmen boko Haram and the other new one what's the name. If you read comments on Facebook from their so called graduates you would vomit

it's unfortunate


Failure of governance

MakeNigeriaGrea:
Division is the best but those Hausas will not want us to disintegrate. Hausas have been and still are the problem in this country.

What parameters make you think that Nigeria will be better disintegrated?

tensazangetsu20:
That's what the Europeans came and did in Africa. They created it for themselves so they could exploit the natives. Put together tribes who have even fought for years in one location. Read about the Berlin convention and this happened only in Africa. It didn't happen in Asia and the middle east. The people in the southern part of Nigeria could live together if they overcame all differences and really tried to but the north is a cancer. The same north produces two of the largest terror groups on the planet. Home to drug addicts, highest level of illiteracy and poverty despite ruling the country for more than 40 years and they still want to rule . How would it move forward with people like this? How? Look at India and look at Pakistan and who is doing better today. Nigeria needs to split IMHO. I would prefer is splits into two parts northern and southern Nigeria

The problem is that IF Nigeria splits, it CANNOT split into just north and south.

It will break into pieces

The thing is that the north has been suffering from neglect, But I see things have started changing, with the M illennials there modernising


But those guys really need to get their acts together

especially the north west

Hydrolysis:
idiotic

counter what I wrote with sensible points and not silly comment

tensazangetsu20:
Did Nigeria exist before the British came? Did the British ask for permission from the natives before creating this country. Why should we all be forced to live as one and sing kumbaya

telll me one country created in the 19th century that was created by permission


Or is it not our neighbour Ghana who is also a British creation that is moving ahead


Is Kenya not a "British creation" too?

What of South Africa?

Was there a country like south Africa before the Europeans came


That is a null point


The founding fathers agreed that Nigeria should gain independence TOGETHER and that alone absolves Britain from any blame


Assuming the political elite did not manipulate and knock our heads together, would Nigeria be in this shape?

Alva2018:
True talk, let's talk about our existence as a nation for once.

yes

we need to talk


But I know this for sure


The hatred between ethnic groups were fuelled by politicians and political events


In the real sense of it, What problem does an Igbo guy have with a Yoruba person and vice versa?


Let's be objective

Look at them

running their mouth


break Nigeria break Nigeria


As if that would solve anything


The only point the senator made tho is the point that the different ethnic groups come together to have a serious discussion

But then, who will represent each ethnic group in this discussions?


Nigeria is not breaking anytime soon, all ye break Nigeria apologists should note that


Or you think Nigeria will split into 2, 3 or even 5?

In the event Nigeria splits, it split into at least 30.


How will the armoury in Nigeria's name be shared?
What of government assets?

What of the external reserve?

What of our professional bodies?

Who gets what?


What gives you the assurance that the splintered countries will be better off


How do we deal with citizenship matters when the country splits (an Igbo guy who was born and bred in the north will be perceived as a citizen or a foreigner?
What of the Yoruba guy born and bred in ph? )

Nobody has brought concrete answers to all these, all they are shouting is break Nigeria


But anyways wetin concern me

Aliyu333:
A divided country. Everything on nairaland is either about Muslims vs Christians or Afonja vs Ipobs.

and I keep wondering what went wrong?

Nigeria has not been this divided before