₦airaland Forum

PastorAIO:
This is the first I'm hearing of a distinction between the Faith of a believer and the faith of a sinner.

However I'm not sure that Lying is a sign of Unrighteousness, and furthermore there are plenty of examples in the bible of believers (righteous jews) lying for a 'greater good'.

Let's look at a few examples:

God rewarded the Shiphrah and Puah for lying to Pharaoh.

15Then the king of Egypt said to the Hebrew midwives, one of whom was named Shiphrah and the other Puah, 16“When you serve as midwife to the Hebrew women and see them on the birthstool, if it is a son, you shall kill him, but if it is a daughter, she shall live.” 17But the midwives feared God and did not do as the king of Egypt commanded them, but let the male children live. 18So the king of Egypt called the midwives and said to them, “Why have you done this, and let the male children live?” 19The midwives said to Pharaoh, “Because the Hebrew women are not like the Egyptian women, for they are vigorous and give birth before the midwife comes to them.” 20So God dealt well with the midwives. And the people multiplied and grew very strong. 21And because the midwives feared God, he gave them families.
Exodus 1


But rather than go through all those examples, I've just got an idea. Just cut to the chase of the chase. The big boss himself.

8You go up to the feast. I am not going up to this feast, for my time has not yet fully come.” 9After saying this, he remained in Galilee.

10But after his brothers had gone up to the feast, then he also went up, not publicly but in private.
John 7

If Jesus, in an effort to dodge people, is happy to use some subterfuge then who is Rahab to be accused for that.

PastorAIO:
Her faith led her to lie. Even though her lying wasn't approved yet the faith that led her to lie is commended, after all good tree can bear bad fruit.

Faith without works is dead.
Yet faith even with evil works is not only robustly alive but it is to be commended.

OLAADEGBU:
Well said. Even though I believe God would still have protected the spies if Rahab did not bear false witness.

OLAADEGBU:
Way to go! Rahab was blessed because she received the spies with peace (Hebrews 11:31). "As many as received Him to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name (John 1:12).

NairaChronicles:
Evangelist Billy Graham lived 99 years, wrote 30 books, met with 12 sitting American presidents and preached the gospel to millions. But when he is buried this Friday, March 2, in his hometown of Charlotte, North Carolina, he will be remembered not only as a world-changing hero of faith but as a humble preacher whose personal integrity set the gold standard for every minister in this country.

Why was this man so respected? How was he able to keep his ministry free from scandal for more than 75 years?

In 1948, when Graham was just 30 years old, he and his small ministry team met for Bible study and prayer at a tiny motel in Modesto, California. The other men in that meeting including assistant evangelist Grady Wilson, singer George Beverly Shea and song leader Cliff Barrows. Graham challenged them to pray about what codes of behavior they needed to adopt in order to keep the ministry clean.

The results of that meeting were profoundly prophetic. The men outlined what would become "the Modesto Manifesto"—a list of core ministry values that became the guiding principles of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association. The BGEA was founded two years later, in 1950, just one year after media coverage of Graham's eight-week gospel campaign in Los Angeles made him a household word.

Here are the four key components of the Modesto Manifesto, along with notes that Cliff Barrows jotted down in their meeting:

1.Honesty: "It was resolved that all communications to media and to the church would not be inflated or exaggerated. The size of crowds and the number of inquirers would not be embellished for the sake of making BGEA look better."
2. Integrity: "It was resolved that financial matters would be submitted to a board of directors for review and facilitation of expenditures. Every local crusade would maintain a policy of 'open books' and publish a record of where and how monies were spent."
3. Purity: "It was resolved that members of the team would pay close attention to avoiding temptation—never being alone with another woman, remaining accountable to one another, etc. A practice of keeping wives informed of their activities on the road and helping them feel a part of any and all crusades they undertook would be encouraged."
4. Humility: "It was resolved that members of the team were never to speak badly of another Christian minister, regardless of his denominational affiliation or differing theological views and practices. The mission of evangelism includes strengthening the body of Christ as well as building it!"
Graham has always been a spiritual hero to me for this reason. Early in his ministry—in fact, before he ever became famous—he realized that his ministry was a stewardship from God and that he could not run it any way he wanted. He had to manage it according to clear biblical principles.

Graham never forgot his humble roots, and he never let popularity change him into an egotistical monster. Even though he was invited to dine with presidents, queens and celebrities, his passion was taking the message of Christ to the common person. And when an usher tried to segregate black and white sections of an auditorium in Chattanooga, Tennessee, in 1953, Graham removed the barriers himself.

"I am not a great preacher, and I don't claim to be a great preacher," he once said. "I've heard great preaching many times and wished I was one of these great preachers. I'm an ordinary preacher, just communicating the gospel in the best way I know how."

He also carried with him a healthy fear that he might try to touch God's glory or take credit for evangelistic results.

Graham said: "So many people think that somehow I carry a revival around in a suitcase, and they just announce me and something happens—but that's not true. This is the work of God, and the Bible warns that God will not share His glory with another. All the publicity that we receive sometimes frightens me because I feel that therein lies a great danger. If God should take His hand off me, I would have no more spiritual power. The whole secret of the success of our meetings is spiritual—it's God answering prayer. I cannot take credit for any of it."

So much of what we call ministry today has been compromised by ego, marketing and man-made agendas. Some of our own "Spirit-filled" preachers are happy to sell a healing or a financial miracle for $29.95. Others claim spiritual superiority because they have the largest following on social media or because so many lined up to attend their packed conferences.

We have exchanged honesty, integrity, purity and humility for hype, fake anointing, manipulated photos, inflated attendance reports, sensuality and boastful swagger. God forgive us.

Billy Graham raised the bar for all ministers. I pray we will never forget his legacy.


Source: https://nairachronicles..co.za/2018/03/how-billy-graham-avoided-scandal-his.html?m=1

oluemmakay:
It pays to serve Jesus

Lilimax:
A good man is gone! Precious in the sight of God is the death of his saint. Farewell great servant of God ... Rest in perfect peace!

oruma19:
all dis my deeper life pple will be oppressing me using humility of some sort. No vex, I apologise. If its some pple I know by now they would have a abused my ancestors...ahahahahaha. You have shown that u are a kumuyi follower by ur attitude. God bless u for representing clear and practical christianiry that papa kumuyi preaches.

asuustrike2009:
It is the government to provide basic amenities. That the church decided to support doesn't mean it is their duty.

kristen12:
They started their building since 2006. They had to build a bridge to decongest traffic when service starts there.
Doesn't have anything to do with freeze

asuustrike2009:
Churches are not meant to develop areas they are situated, it is the job of the government not the church. Churches build men to be spiritually and physically strong to handle life

oruma19:
u count urself in the league of the only original and genuine pastor remaining in Nigeria? Beta watch ur mouth. Kumuyi is not about "do what I say", he is a practical christian. His standards are what still keep me in christianity If not I could have left the religion because of the "a thousand and one" false prophets turning scriptures upside down for their pockets. Pastor kumuyi, as far as I am concerned, is the last hope of real christianity. May God continue to keep him for us and when he us old enough to die, replace him with another person who will not run after mammon like the others. No insults intended on others but I just spoke what I see and know.

oruma19:
when we say deeper life is different some idiots will come and rant. W.F.Kumuyi is a different breed. The rest are competiting for private jets. Shame. use God's money to beta d lives of the community u live. That is Christianity.

emmasege:
You got it all wrong. The projects are meant to benefit both the church and the community. What would Ambode be doing there if it was solely meant for the church? Have you ever heard or seen pastor Kumuyi invite a Governor or politician to commission a project solely meant for his church, for him before? Not the Kumuyi that I know.

Deuzrome:
Kudos to Deeper Life Church.. If all Pastors, Leaders, Teachers, Parents etc, can leave by what they preach I tell you the World will b a beautiful place to be.

Direbabe:
God bless you Sir. The anointing of the Lord upon your life will never run dry. A man of simplicity and an example to behold. A man of God I respect so much in Nigeria.

Ajixegun:
The bridge is also meant for deeper life members too?
Stop being evil! Jesus loves you

vikithor:
... truth be said,@ deeper life church,nice one ,buttttttt

when should we apply or practice the scriptures contained in the holy bible in matthew 6:3 saying"when you give to the needy,do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing.?

STEVENcrack:
so why would ambode in his busy schedules come and be commissioning a private car park.

Timfreds:
Wow this is commendable. Kudos to Pastor Kumuyi.

Sunnycliff:
God Bless the Church!
God bless our Deeper life family and all genuine worshippers of God in the world!

emmasege:
What about the bridge and the street lights? And will Deeper life members park their cars @ the place throughout the week? Don't you think they'll make the facility available for public use when not holding a service?

I think it's better to laud them so that other religious organizations can be encouraged to give back to the community. Maybe we may have a compensation for bad governments through such faith-based initiatives.

EarthXmetahuman:
and only the members will also use the bridge?

Try to apreciate good things when you see it.

Imagine all the useless churches loittering around every streets and corners of the country contributing to the community except making noise every day to disturb the neighborhood. Wont the country be little bit better than this?

teemanbastos:
God bless Deeper Life Church.


Fulfilling God's purpose on earth,
Service to God and humanity.

emmasege:
God bless and keep Baba Kumuyi for us.

I'm not a Deeper lifer but he's a man of God who walks his talk. He doesn't look for public attention and politicians' applause like someone along the Lagos-Ibadan expressway.

If at all Pastor Kumuyi makes any boast, it's in Christ. Not in the number of parish or establishing churches at every electric pole. Neither is it in the number of jets, cars or worldly possession.

In my own opinion, Pastor Kumuyi is to Nigeria what Late Revd Billy Graham was to the USA.

I give Pastor Kumuyi the award of the Nigeria's Pastor.

flamingREED:
Make up is for those who are incomplete.

gabrieljackson:
My friend he wasn't wrong see as tv destroys homes little kids are watching nonsense pls no vex when was the last time u watched a church program on tv people sit to watch bbn for hours what is the gain w f kumuyi never said tv is not good he said its the devils box Satan uses tv to deceive people today think!

intrepidToju:
Who told them
The GO?
Nobody ever said a thing like that. Pastor Kumuyi only said that members should be careful of what they watch in TV set and TV programs especially for children who can easily exchange tapes with their mates(and these tapes could be bad).
Many of the wise Members took it upon themselves to ban TV sets from their home because of their children or better still monitored their Ward & TV(if you can't do both then abstain from having it). While the gullible ones (pastors and workers included) went around saying 'our pastor say make we not watch TV o'
Come to think of it why would a ministry like DCLM that is interested in Tele-evangelism and Crusades with a TV broadcasting Station(DLBS) ever set such 'doctrine' for the members?
PS : People will always misquote and misunderstand Spiritual Leaders.

Roon9:
As much as the church tries to stay off public eye, seun and his boys just won't let them be. Wtf

salvation101:
The problem is that many people do not even know the meaning of the word doctrine. Go on deeperlife website and you will find the 22 doctrines that deeperlife believes in and it has been same since the inception of the church.
How do you call a man made set up like marriage committee, or building committee a doctrine? They are just administrative setup. There is no choir or usher in the new testament, it is an administrative set up and not a doctrine

enshy:
May God bless you for standing for His Course.
No one would get into any argument with a mad man lest people can't differentiate you both.
We won't dignify the devil and his servants with any response but will correct the unsuspecting masses of the errors being spread.
You have done well sir! May God stand for you and yours forever!!!!
Let the world change, we won't. We remain till Christ comes. We will hold fast what we have.
For years in Christ, our King has done us no evil. We would stand with Him even in death! Amen!!
Let the world know that I and others in whom God has put the Word of Truth will serve Him death!
Let the devil bleed. He with all his cohorts are under my feet.

salvation101:
The problem is that many people do not even know the meaning of the word doctrine. Go on deeperlife website and you will find the 22 doctrines that deeperlife believes in and it has been same since the inception of the church.
How do you call a man made set up like marriage committee, or building committee a doctrine? They are just administrative setup. There is no choir or usher in the new testament, it is an administrative set up and not a doctrine