Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Church Remain The Same After The Demise Of Its Founder? by UnchangeableGod(op): 4:52pm On Jan 06, 2018 |
kraftyiyk: Idahosa's church comes to mind 
Op i guess you already knew the answer before asking this question. What do you think is the answer sir? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Church Remain The Same After The Demise Of Its Founder? by UnchangeableGod(op): 2:59pm On Jan 06, 2018 |
Nutase: JAMB kweshun  How do you mean ma? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Church Remain The Same After The Demise Of Its Founder? by UnchangeableGod(op): 2:57pm On Jan 06, 2018 |
asuustrike2009: That is if God approves it. If the successors go against God's plan, the church will collapse Or even split with some following the new leader and others following the founder's laid down ideology. May God help His Church to march on without schism I J N, |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Church Remain The Same After The Demise Of Its Founder? by UnchangeableGod(op): 1:38pm On Jan 06, 2018 |
bedspread: IF THE Church is of GOD and is ordered according to GOD'S Will I quite agree with you sir. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Church Remain The Same After The Demise Of Its Founder? by UnchangeableGod(op): 1:37pm On Jan 06, 2018 |
amnesty7: Not when it actually belongs to an individual as a business venture to milk ppl. Well, I know there are some business centres masquerading as Churches. My definition of a Church in this context is a group of people comprising mainly of people who have repented of their sins and have been forgiven, washed and saved through the atonement of Christ at the Cross of Calvary. A Christian group led by a man called of God to lead people out of sin, sicknesses and satanic oppressions into the glorious liberty of the children of God and to heaven eventually. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Church Remain The Same After The Demise Of Its Founder? by UnchangeableGod(op): 1:29pm On Jan 06, 2018 |
dayo2me: Yes. If the foundation of The Church is Jesus Christ. You are right sir. However, sometimes, some successors would want to chart their own cause, saying the founder is gone and there is need for 'modernization' or rebranding to catch up with the changing times. Don't you think it can happen? |
Christianity Etc › Can A Church Remain The Same After The Demise Of Its Founder? by UnchangeableGod(op): 1:19pm On Jan 06, 2018 |
God uses a man to start or establish every local or visible Church in this world. Some of the founders are late - eg Assemblies of God Church, the Redeemed Christian Church of God, the Christ Apostolic Church (CAC), the Church of God Mission etc. I believe that every founder, if called by God, was personally given a vision and a mission which of course, he has to share with the members. The question is, Can a Church or denomination remain the same after the demise of its founder? Is it possible for the successor(s) who did not get the divine mandate directly follow it up to a logical conclusion. Will a Church like Deeper Christian Life Ministry continue their beautiful and unique brand years after the call to glory of the man of God, pastor W F Kumuyi? Hmmmmm! |
Christianity Etc › Re: If I Could Be Born Again by UnchangeableGod: 9:18am On Jan 06, 2018 |
oluebubeneo: If I could be born again, I will choose to be born in a non-religious and non-spiritual home. I don't call myself an atheist. I don't know if I still care about the whole supernatural existence or not. I've been dealt a heavy blow by religion, spirituality and all that. Yeah, religion might have favoured some people or many people, ion know, but for me, spirituality, religion and all that have caused me too much fear... terror even. I have experienced mental torture in terrible forms. Breaking free from these beliefs is not easy even though I have been through so much pain because of them. Likely because most of these beliefs have a lot to do with a very strong emotion.... fear. I know some people might judge and jump into conclusions. If it hasn't happened to you, you won't understand. I don't want to say I hate religion or spirituality. Lemme just say, I don't want to care about them anymore. Sir, I think I understand your plight. I was once in your shoe. Unfortunately, religion or 'spirituality' has never helped anyone. All you need is Christ. The more religious or spiritual without Christ, the more confused you become. I was once like you until I had a personal encounter with the Saviour. I see that some people are 'preaching' to you to become ungodly, irreligious and carefree like them. Well, you have a choice sir. However I humbly recommend you choose Christ. Repent and turn away from your sins and accept Christ Jesus into your heart. As you sincerely do, all your doubts, puzzles and confusions will be cleared and solved. Your life will also have a meaning and your life will experience peace from the Prince of peace. You may also choose to attend any of the Bible Studies handled by servants of God like pastor W.F Kumuyi. God bless you. |
Politics › Re: Fayose: "I Will Become A Pastor After Retiring From Politics" by UnchangeableGod: 5:45pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
OyiboOyibo: God will help u Amen. But he must first repent of his sins, surrender his life to the lordship of Christ the only Saviour and do necessary restitutions. He must also be willing to carry his cross and follow Jesus. His motive should not be fame, vainglory, riches or any other pecuniary benefits. It must be to serve God and lead His people out of sin, sickness and satanic bondage into freedom here and heaven after. May God qualify and help governor Ayo Fayose and as many others as want to serve Him. |
Politics › Re: Fayose: "I Will Become A Pastor After Retiring From Politics" by UnchangeableGod: 5:35pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
billyG: whtat i saw in ma vision is that this man will suffer in prison. He will not be the first to suffer in prison sir. Perhaps, that will prepare him better to achieve his ambition. |
Politics › Re: Fayose: "I Will Become A Pastor After Retiring From Politics" by UnchangeableGod: 5:32pm On Jan 05, 2018 |
If a man desires the office of a pastor he desires a good thing. But a pastor must first be born again, do necessary restitutions, be humble and teachable enough to learn from other Christian leaders and be willling to go in the direction God leads alone. Nothing wrong in being g a pastor but be qualified by answering the call to salvation before the call to service. The desire to serve God and His Church must also be with a good motive. |
Christianity Etc › Re: "Your Spiritual Welfare Is Our Concern" - Deeper Life Bible Church by UnchangeableGod: 11:09pm On Dec 28, 2017 |
Ladyhippolyta88: Do spirits burn do you think an all loving God would burn his people in hell.Except if hell has different departments because some people would commit a sin here others would commit it on the other side.The only story I know of the devil in the bible is the one with job and the devil met with God.Hell in the bible is referred to as sheol and gehenna in Hebrew and Hades in Greek and in no where in it's reference did anybody burn as it is believed to be a place for the dead. sometimes it is good to think critically but what do I know nothing as long as it concerns religion I know nothing. Those in hell fire have a spiritual body that can burn yet the person will not be consumed (Mark 9:43-48). Yes, God will not allow His children, who have repented of their sins, accepted Christ's sacrifice on their behalf and are living to please Him daily to burn in hell fire. Such are already saved, rescued and delivered from the wrath to come (1st Thessalonians 1:10). But those who refuse to repent, who are adamant and die as sinners have already made a choice for hell fire. It is not God that sent them there. They are not His children. They are children of Satan ( John 8:44; 1st John 3:  . Let me tell you - hell has two different meanings in the Scriptures - one as grave and the other as a place of torment. Jehovah's Witnesses choose to refer to hell as only the place of the dead. You are wrong in saying that no place did anyone burn in the Bible. Jesus Christ, the embodiment of truth and love, Who came to this world to save those who are willing and who believe, preached about hell fire more than any other preacher in the Bible. He cannot be lying. Hell as a place of everlasting torment for unrepentant sinners is written all over the Scriptures of truth that cannot be broken (Psalms 9:17; Luke 12:4,5; 16:19-31; Matthew 23:33; 25:41,46; 2nd Peter 2:15-17; Jude 1:12,13; Revelations 20:13-15; 21:  etc. You have a choice to repent and believe the gospel or refuse. The eternal consequences are also yours. I pray you and all those reading this choose rightly and that today I J N , Amen. |
Christianity Etc › Re: "Your Spiritual Welfare Is Our Concern" - Deeper Life Bible Church by UnchangeableGod: 10:09pm On Dec 28, 2017 |
Ladyhippolyta88: I don't believe in it. Your refusal to believe doesn't change anything. If you believe and later it turns out that heaven and hell fire do not exist, you would have nothing to lose. On the other hand, if you don't believe and you later die (which you certainly will) only to discover to your chagrin, that hell fire exists, you would have made an ETERNAL MISTAKE which you would regret for the rest of eternity! |
Christianity Etc › Re: "Your Spiritual Welfare Is Our Concern" - Deeper Life Bible Church by UnchangeableGod: 9:45pm On Dec 28, 2017 |
Ladyhippolyta88: Abeg he don do.Good for you. Heaven or hell is a choice. God wants you in heaven. Christ died for you for that purpose. Don't choose otherwise. |
Christianity Etc › Re: "Your Spiritual Welfare Is Our Concern" - Deeper Life Bible Church by UnchangeableGod: 9:39pm On Dec 28, 2017 |
Ladyhippolyta88: I never doubted the bible until I read some verses in the bible that felt absurd to me.Then later on I began to research on some history about the bible and Christianity and my doubt increased I am actually on a cross road so as for now I really don't know.So then I looked into the reasons of theologians,biblical scholars and apologists I know a lot about the bible I still read it but it doesn't inspire me.I believe everybody has a right to what they believe so it is a free world. The Bible can only make spiritual sense to you if you have tested Calvary. Those theologians, Bible scholars and apologists can not interprete the Bible in such a way that it can draw you closer to God because most them, sorry to say, are not born again. May the Lord Himself help to settle those confusions in your mind in Jesus' name, Amen. |
Christianity Etc › Re: "Your Spiritual Welfare Is Our Concern" - Deeper Life Bible Church by UnchangeableGod: 9:28pm On Dec 28, 2017 |
umuna: Please also look up Psalm 150 what it says about using instrument in praising God.
But king David knew that the ark was coming in and he made up his mind to dance in the presence of the lord Drums are not the only instruments used in praising God. There are flutes, trombones, guitars, pipes, pianos etc. If not because of the effects of drumming on the spiritual health of worshippers, we would include them. We should praise God as well as ensure our spiritual health. It must be balanced. If not, one would praise God and end up sinning against the same God. It is not wise. I am not surprised that some people would not agree with us on this. Even if there is drum beating where you worship, you should be able as a Christian, if you are one, to reason along with us on this. It is not about Deeper Life Bible Church versus other Churches. It is about the soundness of worship. Some people on this forum are apparently atheists, non Christians and backsliders whose pastime is to drive a wedge between Churches and see how to hinder others from entering the Kingdom because they are not willing to enter themselves. But thanks be to God that people can read between the lines. |
Christianity Etc › Re: "Your Spiritual Welfare Is Our Concern" - Deeper Life Bible Church by UnchangeableGod: 4:42pm On Dec 28, 2017 |
umuna: David danced almost naked in the presence of God and Israelites when the ark was being brought back! King David did not dance almost unclad deliberately. That should not be a standard in the Church or anywhere else for that matter either. If your dad falls down while climbing the stairs, you are not to laugh at him. If you do, it is a sin. But you cannot emulate your father and be falling down while climbing the stairs. King David's wife was punished for deriding her husband ostensibly due to familiarity, pride it both. Cheers. |
Christianity Etc › Re: "Your Spiritual Welfare Is Our Concern" - Deeper Life Bible Church by UnchangeableGod: 4:23pm On Dec 28, 2017 |
Ladyhippolyta88: Tell yourself the truth nobody is a saint. With God all things are possible. If you want to be a saint and as such enjoy eternal bliss with God at the end of this your brief life, He will make you one. Simply repent from your sins, accept Christ as Lord and personal Saviour and God will shower His grace upon you to live like a saint. Saying that nobody is a saint is calling God a liar and that the Bible is not true. Well, that is your business. I am a living saint by His grace. It is not only dead people that can be saints. In fact, one must have been a saint while alive before he/she can be a saint at death (Romans 1:7; Romans 26:2; 1st Corinthians 1:2; 2nd Corinthians 1:1; Ephesians 1:1; 5:3; Philippians 1:1; 4;22; Colossians 1:2). May you and all the other readers become a saint of God today in Jesus' name, Amen. |
Christianity Etc › Re: "Your Spiritual Welfare Is Our Concern" - Deeper Life Bible Church by UnchangeableGod: 4:00pm On Dec 28, 2017 |
frosbel2: First of all Deeperlife is not the CHURCH - so called. Deeperlife is a religious organization founded by Pastor William Folorunso Kumuyi.
Secondly, when you FEAR that MOST of the people who leave the church might have backslidden you are arrogantly assuming that your church alone possesses the undiluted truth and is the holiest in doctrine and practice amongst others. You guys act and think like the Jehova Witnesses, Mormons or Christian Scientologists who think that their religion is exclusive to others and that their leader is next to God himself. This is CULTIC. Just because someone has left your religious organization does not mean that they have left Christ, in fact, they may even have left to be closer to Christ. When I decided to leave the deeper life church they completely cut off from my family even though at the time we still professed Christ. This is exactly what CULTs do. Christ is not about ONE MAN's religious empire.
Lastly, when you say you are more responsible for those of your fold, right there, you bring in DIVISION to the ONE FOLD of Christ. There should, in theory, be ONE CHURCH and ONE FOLD. All believers should be those of your fold and not just those who follow Pastor Kumuyi.
Bottom line is that anybody who leaves Deeperlife should expect to be slandered, they should also expect to be ostracized while other members are warned to avoid them like a plague. If this is what you guys call Christianity, I say good riddance to bad rubbish.
The deeper life false humility is not humility at all, it is a subtle pride of being the best and most holy church in the land which is PRIDE. Your comments here despite my objective and unsentimental explanation shows your deep hatred for Deeper Life Bible Church. But it doesn't change anything. I heard a lot of unprintable things people used to say and still say about this Church yet it did not stop me joining after I became born again. Despite all the negative propaganda against Deeper Life, multitudes in search of the truth including those who once were critical of the Church and their principles are becoming members on a weekly basis. However, being a member is not enough, repenting from sin, accepting Christ as Lord and personal Saviour and living a Christian life as taught by Christ and His apostles is what matters. Nobody says that Deeper Life is the only denomination, local Church or Assembly through which a Christian can make it to heaven but this Church stands out by His grace among others. To God be the glory! |
Christianity Etc › Re: "Your Spiritual Welfare Is Our Concern" - Deeper Life Bible Church by UnchangeableGod: 3:44pm On Dec 28, 2017 |
ricsman: Never knew I had some fantastic Bible scholars here. thanks profolaolu, BeReaSonAble and UnchangeableGod. it's good to have you guys here. To God be the glory! |
Christianity Etc › Re: "Your Spiritual Welfare Is Our Concern" - Deeper Life Bible Church by UnchangeableGod: 1:16pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
bademikky: This why their women are 40 before getting married and again their University fee has increase what is the different between them and other churches doctrine has blind folded them tell them all You do not have a point sir. A lot of Deeper Life sisters have wedded in their twenties, some in their early twenties. I also know of sisters from other Churches and non believers who are above 40 and they are yet to marry. |
Christianity Etc › Re: "Your Spiritual Welfare Is Our Concern" - Deeper Life Bible Church by UnchangeableGod: 1:12pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Ladyhippolyta88: Is one's holiness in their dressing?Good for them o,wetin concern me,everybody to their kettle. God expects Christians to demonstrate holiness in character, speech, relationship, work, business, dressing, appearance and every other area of life. Thanks. |
Christianity Etc › Re: "Your Spiritual Welfare Is Our Concern" - Deeper Life Bible Church by UnchangeableGod: 1:05pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Leke001: this sure remains one stand out church I can identify with...I'm yet to see another gathering where the depth of God's word is so prioritized than Deeper Life.I love them,and respect the man of God there. To God be the glory! |
Christianity Etc › Re: "Your Spiritual Welfare Is Our Concern" - Deeper Life Bible Church by UnchangeableGod: 1:03pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
asuustrike2009: But many holiness churches play drum too. The truth of the matter is that drum beating predisposes people to dance and swing their bodies sometimes provocatively. Young men and women even dance facing each each other in thr Church! Some of the people in the Church are mature believers who know that they need to moderate their dancing and not constititute a source of temptation to others. There are others in the Church who do not know their left from their right. There are some weak Christians who might be battling with lust. While dancing sensually, you cannot go to the dancers and tell them to stop, at least not at that moment. But a lot of damage might have been done to sinners for whom Christ died who come to Church to be saved from sin and saints who come to worship their Maker in the beauty of holiness. It is the 'holiness Church' that is still beating drums that should stop their drumming, not the other way round. |
Christianity Etc › Re: "Your Spiritual Welfare Is Our Concern" - Deeper Life Bible Church by UnchangeableGod: 12:40pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Dopenigga: bullshit.this why Nigeria will always remain backward.your deeper life whatever is too extreme and that's the fact The gate and way to eternal life in heaven is strait and narrow (what you call extremism) and only a few are interested whereas the gate and way to perdition is wide and broad (accommodates everything) and as such, multitudes throng that way (Matthew 7:13,14). Follow Deeper Life to heaven through the strait and narrow way. God's grace will be sufficient for you and the joy of the Lord will be your strength. The choice is yours. May God help you to choose right I J N, |
Christianity Etc › Re: "Your Spiritual Welfare Is Our Concern" - Deeper Life Bible Church by UnchangeableGod: 12:25pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
fof1: PLS THAT IS UNTRUE. THE CHURCH DOES STOP OR TEACH MEMBERS NOT TO WATCH TV. ITS EMPHASIS IS GODLY PROGRAMME CONTENT. TV IS A MACHINE BOX ITS NOT A SIN,ITS D CONTROL & AVOIDANCE OF IMMORALLY COMPELLING PROGRAMMES THAT IS TALKED OF.PARENTAL CONTROL/ADMONITION IS KEY.PLS DISREGARD ALL SUCH TALK.. |
Christianity Etc › Re: "Your Spiritual Welfare Is Our Concern" - Deeper Life Bible Church by UnchangeableGod: 12:22pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
frosbel2: Your spiritual welfare is our concern as far as you come to our church and do not leave it ever.
Once you leave, you become a Judas and your spiritual welfare is no longer our concern,
What a bunch of hypocrites !!! You are wrong sir. It is true that we fear that most of the people who leave the Church might have backslidden. Sometimes such is the case. At other tines, it is not exactly so. Some might be backslidden and still remain. As a Christian, I should not hate anyone for leaving the place I worship. However, I am more responsible to those in my fold. |
Christianity Etc › Re: "Your Spiritual Welfare Is Our Concern" - Deeper Life Bible Church by UnchangeableGod: 12:14pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Ochinex: It is not a sin. Somethings are better avoided for the church holiness to stand. The church is just avoiding bringing sin through drums and bands. For instance, some churches in the name of dancing turn the church into a club house, some opposite sex even dance with themselves in the name of dancing for Jesus. I attended a church(name withheld) the Pastor was like "Shake that bumbum for Jesus, shake it, shake it" and I was like ah' you think boys won't be led into temptation through this mean? imagine a girl at my front shaking her big arse. Hmmmmmm! All things are lawful but not all things are expedient. Remain blessed. |
Christianity Etc › Re: "Your Spiritual Welfare Is Our Concern" - Deeper Life Bible Church by UnchangeableGod: 7:53pm On Dec 25, 2017 |
ProjectNaija: My big problem with them and most other Nigerian churches is that the greatest and most important commandment of Jesus which is loving your fellow man is missing from their core doctrines. This makes me wonder if they are truly following christ as they all claim. It is not missing sir. Loving your fellow human is part of what we preach and practice by His grace. You can attend one of our services to find out yourself. God bless you. |
Politics › Re: Igbo's In The Southeast Are The Problem For Igbo Denial Across The Niger by UnchangeableGod: 7:36pm On Nov 26, 2017 |
AlNur: One of the major problems militating against southern unity is the south-east and their victim mentality.
Especially concerning the issue of who is Igbo.
It is a known fact that Nzeogwu led a coup termed "Igbo coup" whose results was untold hardship and a genocide upon people of majorly Igbo ancestry and generally, the old eastern region.
However, my Igbo brothers who have found theirselves on the eastern borders of the Niger river wants to claim all the devastation to themselves.
They want us to say we didn't suffer also the destructions of lives and properties, just because some river acts as divide.
They're all too willing to talk about the marginalization they suffer because they "stood up against the Nigerian forces", conveniently forgetting officers and men from the west of the river Niger who led such resilience.
They don't talk about the Asaba massacre, it goes against their beliefs that they were the saviours who had to be hung on the cross.
In the most unruly and self serving manner, they want to tell you your own history and how saturated an Igbo you are.
They have arrogated to themselves "pure Igbo" and as the Jews did to the Samaritans, every other Igbo not domiciled in the south-east is an alloy.
Then when they realize that things have started favoring their "impure" brothers, they start fraternizing.
When Mike Okiro became IGP, they said, he wasn't "pure Igbo". Same was said for Ezeoba(chief of naval staff under Jonathan), currently also for our state minister for petroleum and then the CBN governor.
What they fail to realize is that the same marginalization they moan about is what we face, even in greater proportions, but we graciously challenge them and have pockets of victories.
Politically, Igbos stand a higher chance with a candidate from the "non-core Igbo states", yet, our brothers would rather die in marginalization than watch any other "who didn't sacrifice during the war" ascend, answering Igbo.
They formulated and introduced the derogatory term "delta Igbo", (a very effective tool used in the continuing division encouraged by her enemies), just to be sanctimonious and reinforce the "purebreed" mentality.
How then do we blame those who have grown up to believe they aren't Igbos, even though they bear Igbo names and practice Igbo traditions.
Let's get over the past and come together and forge a better future, for as a saying goes "united we stand, divided we fall".
Umuigbo, Igbo wu ofu!
N.D.I Sir, just yesterday I asked somebody where he was from and the reply was that he is from Asaba. I told him he was Igbo then but he claimed Delta instead. I reminded him that Delta was a State and not a tribe. He went on and on trying to emphasize the demarcation between Igbos and 'Delta Igbos'. I have heard this over and over both from Igbos from the East of the Niger, Igbos from the west as well as non Igbos. IMO, it has nothing to do with some of the reasons you gave. Igbos from Delta and Rivers States are simply being wrongly socialized and most have sorry to say, identity problems. I also believe that the Igbos outside Southeast deny their Igboness in order not to be discriminated against. For instance, some Lagos Landlords bluntly do not want Igbo tenants. So claiming to be Delta or Rivers is to them a better bargain. All the same, other Nigerians see all Igbos as the same. Igbo but ofu. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can You Recommend Any Deeper Life Prophet And Deliverance Minister by UnchangeableGod: 8:54pm On Nov 22, 2017 |
GoodMuyis: You are the powerful Prophet and Deliverance Minister for deliverance. Holiness is the first gateway to deliverance. If you have found the the path to such a Graced life, you are a victorious Christian.
There is this time I was facing such a challenge, and i knew i need deliverance, I thought deliverance can any come from laying of hands but i discover it doesnt work for me. how the problem vanished I dont know, I just knew it was during the period i was intensifying on Prayer for more grace to be more Holy.
But if you feel that Deliverance session is what you need a pastor, Just look for faithful Brother, I mean FAITHFUL, who can join you in prayer. I love Campus brethren for prayer like this |
Christianity Etc › Re: Can You Recommend Any Deeper Life Prophet And Deliverance Minister by UnchangeableGod: 8:52pm On Nov 22, 2017 |
DavidJohnDavid: Can You Recommend Any Powerful Deeper Life Prophet and Deliverance Minister for deliverance ? There are so many prayer warriors in Deeper Life who can help pray for you and you will be free from your captivity by God's grace through the name of Jesus. I was once helped in prayers by some Deeper Life prayer warriors. It is not the title or appellation of 'powerful' Prophet or Deliverance Minister that does the work. It is the grace and anointing from God on His humble and devoted Servants. God bless you and may your problems be solved quickly I J N, Amen. |