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Hi there,
I have studied him for years and I have solid scriptural reasons why he is false;
1. False prophecies
2. Falsified prophecy 'fulfilment' like claiming Eiffel Tower prophecy was fulfilled in Japan's earthquake
3. Appropriating SPECIFIC verse for himself. He claims to be the Elijah who was to come to prepare the way of the Lord
4. False teachings- the release of the apocalyptic horsemen he claims happened in 2008
5. Predicting Christ's return- did you know he claims that he will not die until Jesus returns? He is 50 years so it means Jesus MUST return in the next 50 years

You can read a more detailed analysis of him here
https://www.facebook.com/notes/dalavin-main-john/why-repentance-and-holiness-by-dr-owour-is-a-cult/832549320108063

What makes you think he is not?

frmglorytoglory:
Hi vooks . stumbled across this post while looking for another post of yours.
Please read up every thing about Dr David Owuor before you decide that he is a false prophet. Start with his teachings . After you have done that you can form an opinion.
If there is any genuine man of God it is this man but of course that doesn't mean I think he is infallible.
God bless you

https://www.nairaland.com/2101258/dispensationalists-there-literal-animal-sacrifices

I opened the above thread and despite countless mentioned you gave it a wide berth. I concluded that you are least interested in confronting your beliefs

shdemidemi:
What!!! Hope he sees the light quickly so as to discern the golf in difference btw the two individuals behind the monikers.

I choose not to join issues on the back of what anyone had said.. I advise you open a thread on the topic of DISPENSATIONALISM, so we can both have a comprehensive and robust debate on the topic.

My broda o,
TONGUES mean LANGUAGES of both man and angels.
If an Igbo man totally unschooled suddenly bubbled in Queen's English, would that Englishman next to him need the gift of interpretation to comprehend what he is saying?

On Pentecost, Galileans spoke very far off dialects. Devout men fluent in those dialects perfectly understood what was being said. Read Acts 2

Acts 2:7-11 (KJV)
And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God

Observe the highlighted. The diasporas Jews heard the 120 speaking in THEIR languages. Where do you find interpretation in this?

Please make time and read this wonderful book on tongues
https://www.nairaland.com/2002518/skeptics-guide-tongues-prophecy#28112637

sportsmaster:
.....
Stop being logical bro,be scriptural..read 1cor14:2 again
1cor14:2-"he who speaks in tongues SPEAKS NOT UNTO MEN but to God,FOR NO MAN UNDERSTANDS HIM,howbeit,in the spirit he speaketh mysteries"..
This simple means Nobody understand tongues unless there be an interpretation...
Acts2:6-11-u guys still dont get the interpretation..The Pentecost is a Jewish custom whereby all the jews scattered abroad would come together.On the day of pentecost every Jew in all the part of the world came together..All the tribes there all speak the Galiliean Aramike..when they all spoke with tongues,No one could have understood anyone according to 1cor14:2..for them to have been able to understand there surely must have been an interpretation....
And Every christian that is baptized with the Holy Ghos cant function in all the divers of Gifts of the Spirit
SELAH

On point. And they hurl all manner of insults at you for asking exactly what PhD next to his name means

MuttleyLaff:
but Pastor Chris himself, appends the 3 letter Ph.D at the end of his name doesnt he?
If not just too averse to it, what's wrong in simply saying "I dont honestly know why" or "I Dont Know"

The OP aksd for evidence of existence of Jesus outside scriptures.
This is a quick reference
http://coldcasechristianity.com/2014/is-there-any-evidence-for-jesus-outside-the-bible/

theAtheist101:
Which Jewish literature? I hope it is not the Bible?

The New Testament was written between 30 AD and 95 AD. The Quran was compiled about 600 AD.

You are so wrong
Supposing you receive the gift of tongues and you start praying in Chinese, Mandarin. A Chinese next to you would understand you perfectly not because they have a supernatural gift of interpretation but because you are praying in their language.

Interpretation of tongues is necessary only when NOBODY in the congregation understands whatever is being said. This is quite possible seeing we have over 3500 know human languages and may be a 1000 or more that have gone extinct. If you spoke in the language of angels, something Paul alludes to its possibility,then no man under the earth would understand you. Here, you would need the gift of interpretation.

On Pentecost, the devout diasporas Jews understood the tongues not supernaturally but because the gift flowed in their languages.

It is important to understand that TONGUES mean LANGUAGES. The gift simply enables you to utter words in a language you have never learnt. So technically, an Englishman can't receive the gift of tongues where he speaks in English. Your mind does not understand because you have never learnt the language.

sportsmaster:
lemme address something u Got totally off point@SOYE3..
Acts 2:5-12...
The pentecost is a Jewish custome whereby all the Jew scattered abroad would meet together in one place..if U read abt Isreal history u will see that as of that time..the jews were scattered abroad..but on the day of pentecost..they were gathered in the same place..when they all spoke with tongues..surely there must have been an interpretation for them to have understood every man in thier own dialect.. because Paul wrote in 1cor14:2-"he who speaks in tongues speaks not unto men but to God,FOR NO MAN UNDERSTANDS HIM,"...
So if there was no interpretation of tongues on the day of pentecost,there is no way anyone could have understood all that they were saying..
SELAH

Differences notwithstanding, Paul's message is crystal clear; the unintelligible (tongue,diversity,prophecy,speaking,worship.....) has no place in public worship.
Why are you running away from this,is it because you ever so flagrantly flout it?

Joagbaje:
Final note .
There's difference between the gift of diversity of tongues and praying in tongues . One is for people hearing the other is between you and God . Not every christian has the gift of diversity of tongues but every christian ought to be able to pray in tongues

Speaking in tongues is used in different ways . In preaching in prophecy and in prayer to God . Speaking in tongues is used generally or interchangeably but if we study in context it's easy to know what aspect is being addressed in a passage

Call it prayer,worship,message,word.....Paul would have no place for the unintelligible during public worship. It's really that simple.

Reason is, those who can't comprehend it don't benefit from it whether they or God is being addressed.

1Corinthians 14:13-15 (KJV)
Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

Note how Paul switches from SPEAK to PRAY
in V13 he makes a case for interpretation among those who SPEAK in tongues
In V14, his explanation for the necessity of interpretation is his mind is dormant when he PRAYS without interpretation

Let me paraphrase v13-15 for you;
'Joagbaje, if you SPEAK in tongues, pray for interpretation because when you PRAY in tongues, your spirit prays but your mind can't understand. So? I want you to pray with BOTH your spirit and your mind; sing with your spirit, sing with your mind!'

Joagbaje:
I've explained this severally on this forum. There are different used of "tongues " it's either in prayer or giving a message . The part you quoted is not about individual prayer but prophesying in tongues . If you give messages to a sinner in tongue, thats madness ! But when you give him message fom God in his understanding he is edified.

1 Corinthians 14:24-25 (KJV Strong's)
But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

Note he didn't say "praying in tongues" but speaking

Don't waste your literacy
http://coldcasechristianity.com/2014/is-there-any-evidence-for-jesus-outside-the-bible/

DProDG:
I'm sorry to disappoint you but the only external mention of Jesus Christ in the 1st century was supposedly by Josephus and it turned out to be a forgery by Eusebius in the 3rd century.

Define prosperity

Joagbaje:
What is prosperity? Is it Extravagant life?

1 Corinthians 14:27 King James Version (KJV)
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

Pastor,
Please note the immediate preceding verse. It talks of SPEAKING which you insist is different from PRAYING in tongues. But in verse 28 you have just quoted, the tongue speaker minus interpreter is asked to zip it and to speak to himself and God. Now,speaking to God would mean praying.

This establishes a few things;
1. SPEAKING and PRAYING in tongues is an artificial distinction that's not warranted by the scriptures as they are used interchangeably here
2. Whatever (speaking/praying) has no interpretation should be kept private as it is of no benefit to nobody in the congregation.

Later Paul says;
1 Cor 14:23 (KJV) If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

It don't appear logical that Paul approves public praying in tongues without interpretation yet censures speaking in tongues publicly minus interpretation. Here is why; an unbeliever/unlearned in a congregation of uninterpreted tongues, praying/speaking would think you are mad. They would not make no distinction. They would think you are mad because whatever you are vocalizing is gibberish. Unless you mean, they would be excited that you are praying in unintelligible language but put off if you were praying instead of speaking.

Joagbaje:
That is only applicable when you're speaking in tongues for others to hear for . For example you're praying for me or on my behalf I need to hear what you're saying . It's a prayer of agreement . It's a corporate thing. But when you're talking to God as an individual , there's no need for interpretation. You're edifying yourself . Each person can talk to God alone. So the rule is: if you want to pray for us or pray on our behalf ,carry us in understating . Or pray to God alone without us.

1 Corinthians 14:28
But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

So he is allowed to edify himself and talk to God in tongues without interpretation. Hope you get the point . When we all pray in tongues . We are praying individually . But If one person must pray on our behalf he must speak what we can agree with

His following is a living proof of lagged evolution of the Negro


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKNC6qERgsw

Winsomex,
I mean Gombs should not waste time characterizing me, how many RORs I have done, churches opened bla de bla because who vooks be is not RELEVANT. To the question......just cut to the chase and answer the question by the OP.

Am a bond-Servant of Jesus Christ...profuse apologies for sarcasm

WinsomeX:
vooks, did you say you are a satanist? I thought you said you are a Pentecostal Christian??

This is not meant to derail the thread. I hope someone from CE can eventually provide information on Oyakhilome PHD.

soye3:
its just so crystal clear in the scriptures. there should be no speaking in tongues if NO ONE ELSE understands what you are saying because the words from the mouth of the person doing that are just empty and meaningless and the man doing that KNOWS it.

True

The scriptures say when they were filled with the spirit, they spoke in tongues . Languages understood by everyone there and that resulted in a very serious decision- they were moved to be baptised. if they didnt understand, how could they have made such a weighty decision?

False. The tongues just attracted them seeing the Galileans spoke in so many diverse languages praising God,and then Peter seized the moment to preach the gospel. It is the preaching of Peter that pricked them not tongues. Read Adts 2 again oo

Besides, the disciples didnt need anyone to TEACH THEM how to speak in tongues or how to interprete.

Nobody teaches or should teach you how to speak in tongues. What you are taught is the NECESSITY and EXISTENCE of this wonderful gift. Ignorance of the gift may just deny you the benefits of this gift. If you need verses just ask, but am sure you know them

That should make each and every christian think - What moves the speaking in tongues in people today?

To know what you are saying means you can BOTH speak and interpret. That Paul urged Corinthians to desire both speaking and interpreting means the two distinct gifts don't necessarily accompany each other; there were many back in the apostolic times who spoke and couldn't understand what they said because they had not this gift of interpretation. So don't quarrel your contemporaries if they can't understand what they saying

do they REALLY know the meaning of what they are saying or are just short of words?

Only Holy Spirit can give you interpretation, or a native speaker of your tongue should any be around. On Pentecost, devout Jews could understand what the disciples said, not because of any supernatural gift of interpretation but because the languages of the tongues matched their dialects

why does speaking in tongues need to be learnt?

You need to learn about the gift so Holy Spirit can release it. Nobody should teach you tongues....comprende?

Now that you had your laugh, where and when did he get his PhD?

Gombs:
^^

Insults you say...
Hahahahhahaaahhahahahahaahahahahhahaha



*wipes off a tear.

Thanks for the laugh Buddy.

I can even aks for his pre-school, for now, am just interested in his PhD

Point is who Vooks is irrelevant to Oyaks PhD.
If he deploys online robots such as he, it's a pity.
You are totally clueless about his PhD and you are praying everyone should be equally ignorant and you won't hesitate to insult those who are not

Gombs:
Attack the doctrines he teaches then. Why didn't you ask for his B.Sc and M.Sc?



be my guest.


Well, that's you cup of tea, I don't care if you're Satan himself, Christ already conquered all, so have I.

Krak:
Hungry guys everywhere all claiming guru on predictions. If you are really a prediction guru you will not be asking for peanuts from anybody.

Start with the Quran, then Jewish literature over the same period

PAT4HOT:
These thoughs has been going through my mind if Christ really exist (infact if there is a deity) as proclaimed by the world over.

I am more interesting with the Christianity aspect of it as am in a Christian dominated part of the world. So my worry is, HOW CAN I BE CONVINCED IF CHRIST TRULY OR REALLY EXIST WITHOUT A BIBLE QUOTATION?

Please I need matured answers only and no insults please.

Poor Negro,
There is a Pope who said Christianity is a religion of REASON whereas.......

MrPresident:
sad

My broda,
There is nothing 'personal' about academic feats you affix to your other designations for all and sundry. Just name the college, dissertation, publication and we will move on. Or simply plead ignorance.

We could aks Joagbaje.

PS: am not even a believer, am a satanist working against the body of Christ

Gombs:
^^
You fellow comrade in trade, WinsomeX, said his issue with Pastor Chris is not personal, but doctrinal.


From the above, I'm seeing personal attack, I can understand why.
Anyways, for furure references, like WX, what's yours?

Thank you.
I have no idea why CEC members take offense at such sincere questions. You are a PhD, you earned it and you don it as a badge of honor for all to see. When we see it and aks from whence you got it, you get insults,curses and spite.

Next they start asking you how many church branches you have opened and whether you can rival Rev Chris' feat in translating ROR into 600 languages and winning 100K Iraqis to Christ bla de bla


Cc Winsomex,PastorKun,SirJohn,dorox,Gombs,sammied

shyna01:
I don't have the answer to that

PaulGrundy,
How comes all believers in this soul-sleep aberration of the Truth have given this thread a wide berth?

Before you believe in something, should you not weight the logical conclusion of your beliefs?

CAPTIVATOR,CANTICLES and other witnesses of Jah are busy pushing Awake!,Watchtower and other paraphernalia from their sect so hard yet they are staring at total cessation from existence only to have YHWH recreate their lookalikes at resurrection and reward them with their labor of love!

And it is rather clear that whether praying/speaking, if the others don't understand it, you should keep quiet

1 Corinthians 14:16 New King James Version (NKJV)
16 Otherwise, if you bless with the spirit, how will he who occupies the place of the uninformed say “Amen” at your giving of thanks, since he does not understand what you say?

1 Corinthians 14:1 6Amplified Bible (AMP)
16 Otherwise, if you bless and render thanks with [your] spirit [[a]thoroughly aroused by the Holy Spirit], how can anyone in the position of an outsider or he who is not gifted with [interpreting of unknown] tongues, say the Amen to your thanksgiving, since he does not know what you are saying?

This is the MOST ignored bit by the Pentecostals and they move heavens defending their ignorance instead of submitting to the counsel of the Spirit

Joagbaje:
Beautiful response. There's difference between praying in tongues to God to edify oneself and "speaking in tongues for the hearing of brethren especially in prophecy . One is talking to God , the other is talking to people . That's the foundation that many people are missing

Matthew 5:45 New King James Version (NKJV)

45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

This is a fact of life; your own congregation are not necessarily ANY better than your nearest masjid dudes. And besides, 'Christian' nations would generally fare better than 'non-Christian' nations throughout history and today.

Of course you will blame the Christians for 'lack of revelation about their rights in Christ'. None of those verses you shared mentioned naming and claiming; it states that as a matter-of-fact, not conditional to 'claiming it'

Joagbaje:
So why will God afflict his children with poverty? Is that candid tent with his provision in christ?

It takes you a whole day of Google to string a rumour of false doctrines from Corinthians?

Negro, you got jokes

Gombs:
1. 2 Corinthians 11:4 "For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him]."

The false apostle(s) came into the church from the outside just as Satan did into the Garden. They were like the Judaizers, seeking to impose Jewish customs on the Corinthians.

Their fascination with rhetoric and oratory suggest they had been influenced by Greek culture and philosophy.

Despite their vicious attacks on him, Paul’s quarrel with the false apostles was not personal, but doctrinal (remember what Jo was trying to tell you?) Read from the start of his page.. Those things you highlighted as what makes CE a cult, were they doctrinal? I can't remember you attack CE doctrines much (maybe speaking in tongues only) ... But the person of pastor Chris has always been your specialty... From his hair, to voice, to rhapsody to TV to etc. Yours was a personal vendetta.


2. They claimed to be apostles; in fact, they claimed to be "super apostles", 2Cor.11:5; cf. 11:13. They set themselves up as superior to Paul, cf.11:12; Rev.2:2.


3. They claimed to teach the "true gospel" (like you and some other folks here), 11:4.

What exactly did they teach, as in 2Cor.11:4; cf. chapter 3. ??

a. Another Jesus. A misrepresentation of the plan of God by the process of addition to the Word of God.

b. They misrepresented certain aspects of the person of Christ.

c. A different gospel. They taught salvation by faith plus works following the pattern of the Judaizers of Act.15:5.

Should I continue?

Wikipedia is open to editing by anybody, not exactly a credible source for serious research

PastorKun:
I just went through your useless link, it lists oyaks as one of his proteges. That does not in anyway mean oyaks was a pastor under Idahosa it only suggests that he mentored oyaks in setting up his shameful business.

Work on your rants and then make time and with wisdom and sincerity respond to Winsomex

Gombs:
Told y'all this bloke, vooks, needs some thick lensed glasses.

Nice one Buddy. They think it's their God given right to criticise. Wx aka DB believes it's his ministry to rebuke ministers.

I have heard about the pastoral training programs, degrees in some places. I need to know at what point one graduates from a pastor-Senior Pastor-Reverend-Bishop-Archbishop (archbishop is a rare title among Pentecostals though)

shyna01:
G.O is usually the overall header/leader of a particular denomination e.g pastor Chris is G.O of CE. pastors usually go through several trainings and Bible college, and I believe in some churches they have to actively be under a pastor for some years before they can actually become pastors.
I have no idea about the rest... also waiting for answers or correction on my take from others