₦airaland Forum

Vicoymi:
I want you to understand something
1 God does not enjoy our sufferings
2 He gave us his son Jesus and that's even proved by science and history
3 He Even gives sinner a long time to repent

What do we want to do with his son? We don't need his white son or daughter. So he will torment and suffer us for rejecting his white son?

obanioluorun:
Believe it or not masturbation is more evil, the reward of masturbation is curse, undiluted poverty and the forsaken of God's glory. PLS REPENT you creator loves you..

Why should your God be so mad because I decide to pleasure myself? What makes masturbation evil? Is masturbation killing or hurting anyone? I am sure you will say smoking, taking snuff, drinking alcohol and other personal pleasures are evil.
You guys are worse than Boko Haram and ISIS.

Vicoymi:
any examples of suffering being inflicted on humans by God?

Which country and neighbourhood are you living in? If you live in Nigeria, Somalia or Haiti, you will see the very definition of suffering. And I am not even talking about the promised suffering in hell for refusing to the White man's tales.

Vicoymi:
I laugh in swashili
The only thing we expect from this God is only goodness,have you forgotten that he made us in his own image also having emotions, thoughts
Mmh anyways he's not suffering anyone MBA not for his pleasure

So because he made us in his own image means he is free to inflict sufferings on us for his pleasure. Even a pet owner that feeds and care for the pet does not deliberately inflict pain and sufferings on the pet on flimsy excuses.

SisterFire:
... He is even quoting bible hahahahahahaha !
You atheists are disgrace upon earth ,Christians are better off than you confused maggots

Modern Christians are the worse humans on earth. They are hate filled, greedy and selfish. They are so materialistic that the only reason they pretend to worship God is for promises of material gains by men Scams of God.
I am yet to see an atheist involved in yahoo yahoo, ritual murder, kidnappings or corruption.

SisterFire:
...A message that " ladies shud stop doing abortion because a winged terrorist called Jehovah places their aborted foetus on fire to burn?
Truly i tell u dead king terrorist called buhari is more righteous than your wicked god.

Mean while 16% of pregnancies end up being aborted naturally without any intervention.

New Report Documents Trends in Births, Abortions, and Miscarriages

The 6 million-plus pregnancies in 1996 in the U.S. resulted in 3.9 million births, 1.3 million induced abortions, and almost a million fetal deaths. This means that 62 percent of pregnancies ended in a live birth, 22 percent ended in abortion, and 16 percent ended in a miscarriage or stillbirth. Trends in birth, abortion, and fetal loss have varied over the past 20 years, but since 1990 the rates for all three have declined: live births, down 8 percent; induced abortions, down 16 percent; and fetal loss, down 4 percent.

What then happens to babies that are naturally aborted? They go to heaven?

Kobojunkie:
I answered your question.

Only born-again Christians will be sent to Hell and this only after Jesus Christ returns.

What's the purpose of hell? Who benefits from hell - Sinners, Devil or God?

Vicoymi:
But that doesn't change the fact that There's God, heaven, and hell too

The Christian God is too sadistic for my liking. He loves to inflict pain and suffering on humans for his pleasure.

Vicoymi:
which one did the devil kill??

Sorry. I meant to say 10. Jobs children that were killed but later resurrected by God.

Kobojunkie:
Oh I believe there is a heaven and a hell, but I can't bet you that you are a bigger fool than I am.

Whats the purpose of heaven and Hell?

hopefulLandlord:
Christians and their fear fuelled hell preaching again?

Hell always sounded like a cynical marketing ploy designed to make people afraid to leave or displease the particular sect. And it seemed to really kill empathy - 'god says they burn, they burn' doesn't make me think of someone being full of love and compassion and all that.

Eternal punishment for finite transgressions always seemed abusive to me. How can someone look at the idea of a being who would condemn people to that and call it love?

Even when I was a Christian Hell was just too weird for me to accept. Infinite punishment for finite offenses is an eye for an eye on steroids. Punishing people for disobeying nit-picky rules makes God an abusive parent. One reason often given for punishment is to teach the offender not to offend again, but if punishment is eternal then how can the offender benefit from this teaching? Jesus is supposed to be into forgiveness but forgiveness shouldn't involve eternal suffering. Hell isn’t redemptive, it isn’t leading to repentance, it’s simply pain for pain’s sake.

I love this quote: “Heaven and hell seem out of proportion to me: the actions of men do not deserve so much.”

and of course I get the rationalisation of hell by Christians saying its moral accountability and saying bad people go to hell;
that's nonsense and they know it!!!

If Yahweh is real and omniscient, that means he already decided that we're going to hell before he even created us. But if this omniscient deity allows for deathbed conversions, then it doesn't matter what kind of life you lead. You could be a brutal dictator who massacred tens of millions of people, yet still get into heaven if you tell Jesus you're sorry. Your victims could all go to hell for eternity if they never repented. That's how bleeped up Christian morality is.

Maybe Christians can answer a few questions for me. The Bible says that there is ONLY ONE way to get into Heaven: by accepting salvation through Jesus.

So it follows that the Christians who ran the Nazi death camps can get into heaven. But their 6 million Jewish victims must burn for all eternity in the pits of Hell. I've talked to many Christians about this and they just pretty much accept it.

My questions are:

1. How f***ed up do you have to be to believe Nazis can go to Heaven but their 6 million Jewish victims must burn? That's just sick. But Christians believe it. What the f*** is wrong with you people?

2. Why would ANYONE willingly worship a god that would act like that? Is it just a fear thing (better known as cowardice)? And

3. Even if you get into Heaven what makes you think you'll be safe with a psycho god like that running the place? What's to stop your god getting a wild hair up his ass one day and sending Christians to a place so bad it makes Hell look like an ice cream parlor? He used to like the Jews too. Or so the story claims. What makes you think you're safe?

The Devil is a saint compared to the Christian God. How many people did the devil kill in the Bible? Only one and with the permission of God. How many people did the Christian God kill due to his anger issues? Billions. Devil gives you a choice and if you decline, he jejely leaves you. God give you a choice and if you decline or disobey, he gets angry and punishes or even kill you and probably your generation. He then ultimately sends you to tell to suffer eternally.

OLAADEGBU:
Thank you. Missed you guys.

Oga OLAADEGBU, long time. You went into hibernation after Trump's loss. Maybe you came out of hibernation to prepare for Trump's 2023 presidential bid.

We miss your wacky religious arguments and cartoons.

Welcome back.

3. ‘The race of Negroes … [is] full of affect and passion, very lively, chatty and vain. It can be educated, but only to the education of servants, ie, they can be trained.’

Gbam . I don't know of the characterization of other races, but Kant described the average Negro (especially the Nigerian).
Full of passion - (sex and enjoyment), very lively - love owanbe and ceremonies, very lively - talks loud and loves titles (Chief, Dr, Honourable, Excellency, Alhaji, etc.) Educated - but only educated to serve the interests of his colonial master's ie Queens English, religion and administration and not science and technology.

Laurene:
He somewhat believed or had a doubt about mail in voting too since it was the first time a political party fixated on it as the major avenue for franchise, just that he wasn't loud and echoing it like Trump.

Pence's position during electoral vote certification was just ceremonial, he had no real power to reject the college votes or upturn it but Trump failed to understand that.

In conclusion, I believe that 2020 election wasn't as Rosy as the Dems and surrogates in the media wants us to accept. Only 43k votes barred trump from returning to white house and those states Trump was leading until glitches and abrupt pause of count ensued. The Dems would do the same if they were in republicans position let's be honest.

American electoral fairness is overrated; both parties do commit some pattern or form of fraud just that they do it with prejudice and fear of God unlike 3rd world countries.

If you and I were in trump's position, would would do the same but all lies in the degree and gravity of the claims.

What glitches? Glitches created in the imagination of Trump and then infected the minds of his supporters.

Trump was seemingly leading in those states because the majority Republican state legislatures enacted electoral laws that mandated in-person voting to be counted before mail-in. So when mail-in started coming in, Trump's lead was naturally overturned. Trump discouraged his supporters from voting by mail-in, while democrats promoted mail in voting as against in-person voting.

There are lots of people and processes involved in US elections. Each party has it's agents in all polling stations with numerous election observers watching. The elections are verified from district, state and federal levels by many people. There was no protest by anyone actually involved with the elections, only Trump and his supporters who were not involved with the elections.
You think there would be massive fraud and the only people that would notice is Trump and his supporters? Besides, both legislative and presidential elections was held same day, same time and same polling stations, and the riggers were somehow able to isolate only Trump's votes.

You people (Trump supporters) are really delusional and trouble. I agree with Collin Sydney Powell that "no reasonable person’ would believe her election lies".

Image123:
Independent attestation that Jesus resurrected? What is the definition of independent? All the people who are outside the Bible who claim to have seen Jesus are not independent? BTW, Are you denying your previous studies that found out that Jesus existed or you are particular on the resurrection?

It's funny that you talk like otondo about CE. You ought to have known better than listening wholeheartedly to these teenagers on YouTube talking about religion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Era

Please name just one person outside the Bible that claimed to have seen Jesus.

Bishopkingsley:
I have talked to some people about what you said and they understood it after I explained it to them

Why not also explain it to us so we can understand it.

First what God told them the end result of what will happen which what God said eventually happened

Please explain. What do you mean by end result? Are you talking about spiritual death or physical death? Did God make a distinction between spiritual death and physical death in the instruction?

My friend God did not tell them the things that will happen before they die

Still don't understand what you mean.

That is what devil did and ask yourself what is the advantages of knowing the process before you die it of no use

Please quote reference from the Bible where the devil told Eve of the process of dying before you die.

Now God is a great good God there is profit in obeying God even if you don't understand why just obey as time goes by you will see the reason for whatever he said

Human minds are not wired that way (as proven by Eve and Adam, and time and time again in the Bible). Humans don't like taking instructions like zombies, without understanding the reasons why. If you try that "obey before you understand" experiment with humans, they would fail 99.9% of the time.

Go and check all his commandments each one you break it just a matter of time you will see the disadvantage of disobedience

And humans have been breaking these commandments since the way it was written, and would continue to break it till the end of time.

I read your statement and maybe you hate God because you did not add that what God said eventually happened don't you see how your mind works be truthful at least

What happened were curses and punishments for God which were not forewarned in the original instructions given to Adam.

Now that they lived one million years before they died makes no sense because the end result was what God told them which is what devil hide from eve eyes of understanding

Devil did not hide anything. The devil told them that they would not die, but will be knowledgeable. It was God through his anger that decided to punish and curse them. Devil could not have known what curses God will place on Adam and Eve for disobeying his commands.

Kingsnairaland:
That is not how the case is

This is the true event

Now God warned Adam and eve that fruit don't eat it the day you eat it you will surely die

So God has already told the buyer look don't drink any how water from outside your house so if the buyer now drinks water from outside his home

Then you can't blame God for not stopping him even if God comes to stop him then the devil will come again and say look I told you

This God does not really want you to be like him because he knows if you eat that fruit you will indeed be like him

So the temptation will be there and Adam will still want to eat it

The problem is not with God but with man that have refused to trust God and believe God

God lied to Adam or should I say God did not explain what kind of death he meant by "You will surely die", because Adam and Eve went on to live over 900 years after eating the fruit.

The person that actually told the truth was the devil or serpent. He told Eve that they would not die, but would acquire knowable should they eat the fruit. And knowledge they acquired after eating the fruit and not death.

If you don't want your kids to die by drinking poison, you don't put poisoned orange drunk in the middle of their room and instruct them not to drink it no matter how enticing it looks, in order to test their obedience to you. If we all try it, most of us will not have any kids left.

Perez99:
Good day nairalanders.
I will make it very brief. Please I need your advice.
I've been a nairalander since 2016 but this is my first official post.

My father is a good, noble and humble man. A successful business man. He's very proud of us (his children), we're also proud of him. We're 3. I'm 29 years of age, the eldest and only son. He make sure we don't lack anything. We all went to one of the prestigious Private University in Nigeria. I and my immediate baby sis are graduate, while last born still in 300l.

The problem is that, my father don't know how to dress, he prefer to wear faded and worn out clothes. My dad drive highlander 2014 model. If my Dad comes down from his car, you will think he's a driver to an imaginary Boss because of the way he dressed.
Blessed memories of my beloved mom May her soul R.I.P. She was always complaining and sometimes my Dad won't listen to her.

I'm a good fashion designer, my love for fashion is topnotch. I also own a laundry store and a barbing store. I've been privileged to sew some clothes for comedian Buchi which he loves so much and he promised to patronize me again.

GOD in heaven knows how many lovely, mature and soft dress I've sew and bought for my father with my money. He only wears it once and won't wear it again, there are some he haven't put on at all. He celebrated his birthday August, I bought this nice shirt 18k for him as a gift. Till today he hasn't put it on.

Please note: money is not his problem. The other day he stopped by at my store, I and my boys were working. He noticed nobody was using one of my industrial machines. He asked and I said it was faulty. He said how much? I said 170k but I'll change it soon before January....(because I just wrapped my car from corolla to ES Lexus)....Before I could say Jack... Baba don send me 200k. I ordered the machine instantly.

See what happened this morning, He got an invitation to attend a meeting. The smartest way to dress for a highly regarded man like him is native wear.
So he gave me this faded black trouser turning white to brush for him, that he wanted to wear it for the meeting...See eh, It was so annoying. I went to his room gathered the nice, starched and ironed native I could gather and I told him to select one, that I won't brush that faded trouser. He started saying ... " I'm proving stubborn and all manner things"... I'm sure our tenants could hear our argument.

Please Nairalanders. What can I do to make my Dad dress well. I plan to set fire on those faded and worn out clothes but it will look so disrespectful. I'm sure his friends have accepted his mode of dressing.
My siblings and I are tired of complaining.

Please I need an advice!!!

Why will you want to change your father's dressing? If the clothes are dirty, torn or wrinkled, I would understand your concern, but if they are only old, faded or out of fashion, then you are overreaching your boundaries to want to change your father's personality.

Our fashion sense is often dictated by the job we do. People that does physically demanding jobs like construction, engineering and jobs that require working outdoors in the rain and sun don't often care about fashion. They just wear cloths that are comfortable. And that fashion sense remain with them for life.

Those that work in industries where they have to project an image of success - ie banking, entertainment, hospitality, pastors, media and most administrative jobs.

If you are complaining of your dad, what do you want the children of Mark Zuckerberg, Jack Dorsey or Elon Musk to say

Hakeem3:
Let’s all channel our grievances to the 2023general election. I strongly believe that Apc & Pdp are not the solution but rather the problems to the woes of this country. The earlier we realize this the better for all of us.

What's the difference between six and half a dozen?

zoedew:
In that you pointed out the need to distinguish between the Law and Morality am on all fours with you. I do not support Chidimma and her accomplices. Murder, for whatever reason, is as deplorable as it is condemnable.

Glad you do not support Chidinma and her accomplices (assuming she is guilty). I am appalled by people jumping to support her and make ridiculous excuses for whatsoever emotional reason (ie, she is "our sister" or she is a vulnerable girl). She looks like a cold, calculated and heartless murderer.

However, I see differently with you as to whether it is my business to discourage sex outside marriage and the practice of keeping multiple sexual partners considering that the repercussions of such conduct impacts on the society in economic and social terms not to talk of the avoidable stress it brings on the health sector. Sure you have heard of AIDS that has been in the nature of an epidemic and a major cause of death www. One major way it spreads is via the keeping of multiple sexual partners and sex outside marriage. Good for you to know that doing a postscript on a murder does not necessarily make one unsympathetic about the unfortunate event. One who gets killed via over-speeding and crass disregard for The Highway Code will have the truth told about the cause of his death after he’s long gone so the living can learn from the event. That would not make the FRSC unsympathetic as the road safety body makes and shows to fellows inclined to such conduct (so they can be sober at the wheels) the videos of the accident scene where mangled bodies are extricated from the metal body of the abused vehicle. Got that?

Believe me it's still not your business how others live their sex lives - AIDS, hepatitis, syphilis and all. We all have our individual choices to protect ourselves or not. Those that go raw should be ready to bear the consequences.
In accidents due to overspeeding, the driver is endangering others without their knowledge or choice. In sex, you have a choice not to engage in it or protect yourself (except it a case of rape). So the blame and consequences is on the parties involved.

Sex is a very personal affair - morally or otherwise. Ataga and Chidinma's sex lives is not on trial here, we are talking about murder.
If you hate premarital sex so much, then you are free to preach against it to your family, church members and friends, but there is no correlation between premarital sex and murder. People get murdered for a variety of reasons - greed, relationships, envy, jealousy, etc. Premarital sex should never be a justification for murder.

Frankiss44:
Am pretty sure the price increase has been done more than twice this year already and you guys are always quick to compare this country to better countries, do u mind telling us the minimum wage in South Africa compared to ours that even more than 80 percent of the state governors could not afford to pay?

Yes the price increase has been twice this year. That's because there was a moratorium on price increase the first term of Buhari for political reason. Now that Buhari is not seeking re-election he can now allow price increases to catch up with agreed yearly increases.

Frankiss44:
So you mean among the terms of agreement is to allow these companies increase tariffs indiscriminately?

Yes. They are to increase tarrifs yearly according to inflation among other factors, and you know Nigeria's inflation rate is between 10 - 15%.

zoedew:
You mix up the issues. I am focused here on discouraging men and women alike from sex outside marriage. The death of Ataga is one of the repercussions of such conduct. No one is playing the self-righteous here but the truth need be said though bitter! Ataga clearly walked in to his own death. Ataga had a billion Naira apartment to his name at Banana Island where he could satisfy his sexual desires within his marriage but chose to do so with a petrel garbed as a lady in an apartment much less worthy and classy than his. We must learn from his misadventure and avoid the destructive path he chose.

It's not your business whether men and women alike engage in sex outside marriage. It a personal and moral decision of each person. You are not the moral policeman if Nigeria, and i doubt you are bokoharam or ISIS.
Ataga or Chidinma can satisfy their sexual desires whichever way they like, as long as they did not break any law. First adultery is not a crime, even if it is murder is not the punishment, even it is, Chidinma was not appointed the executioner.

You are simply a religious bigot with no sympathy or empathy for someone murdered in cold blood.

teepain:
This is an option but it will cost Government a lot of money to reverse the privatization because of the contractual clauses that were included to discourage such.

The powerful people who bought NEPA (as it then was known) only did so to continue the milking of Nigerians.

It will take the Grace of God to get out of the clutches of this wicked and exploitative bunch.

We have not escaped the stupid P&ID case where nothing was sold but Nigeria is asked to pay billions of dollars and you want government to cancel a sale that's over 10 years

Frankiss44:
And isnt there a government body that is suppose to regulate their activities? This excuse is lame abeg

Will the government body that is suppose to regulate their activities do so outside existing laws or terms of the agreements?

backbencher:
True...though issue is that Nigerians want everything cheap. Country hard.

Not only Nigeria, but the world over. It's in fact the nature of humans to want things free or very cheap. Even billionaires avoid paying tax and are very shrewd with money.

But the thing is, if government had brought in price controls for the GSM sector, or price controls for the food sector...we won't have had things like home internet, and food scarcity would have been the order of the day.

Agreed, but essential things like food, power and fuel cannot be allowed to increase dramatically, else you will have social unrest. If fuel is allowed to double overnight like it happens here in Europe or the Americas, there will be riots the next day.

A government must learn to control inflation, especially of essential products like food, fuel and power.

A lot of Nigerians have this idea that making a profit is bad or that profit made goes into someone's pocket. Profits go into making improvements and paying for salaries...which have to rise from time to time or else.

Agreed, but government must find a way to manage the greed of the capitalists. If not the capitalists forming monopolies and oligarchies would strangle the masses with excess profit, thereby causing problems for the government.

backbencher:
The PDP government who put in the laws establishing the discos and gencos in the first place also put in place the laws that allow for annual increases in power tarrifs.

Sure the increases were supposed to be performance related but the problem was that the tarrifs have always been kept below the cost of production. At the end of the day the power sector was running at a loss. And the subsidy paid to cover for the loss cannot cover the losses because costs of producing power are also rising so one has to pay more and more subsidy to cover the loss ( and the subsidy I partially paid for by loans)

APC has looked into reversing the privatisation process but the AG warned them that they would end up paying billions in compensation if they did. As for inviting foreign investors , they would only agree to come if they can set the prices of power not the government , meaning much higher prices than what we even have now.

If we must blame APC, and I think we should, we should blame them for not allowing the discos to set prices. Instead they kept on keeping prices below the production cost and forcing the sector to run at a loss and paying a subsidy that is never sufficient due to rising costs . But allowing deregulation is something opposed by most Nigerians. So the story continues

No matter how much you explain, children born into hate will always scream APC, Buhari, Yoruba, etc. They don't care to know details of the issue or solutions to the problem. All they exhibit is negative emotions and hate that doesn't address the issue at hand.

The problem I have with the privatization of NEPA was not even the laws establishing the Gencos and discos, it's the people that it was sold to. The companies the PDP administration sold the electricity companies to have no competence whatsoever in power sector and was not ready to invest in the sector. So despite government having sold NEPA for peanuts, it still have to continue investing billions in power generation and distribution apart from paying billions in subsidies.

AsampeteNwaanyi:
[/s]
[s]trash

Senseless and hate filled

AsampeteNwaanyi:


and to think that Yorubas are ready to vote this useless party just because of one criminal drug baron and fake pretentious pasta called Osibanjo.

honestly without hiding it
Yorubas are the one killing this country and I don't know why.
quite pathetic
and that's because they see election as football competition and not the opportunity to elect good governance.
if not tell me one single thing a common street man has ever benefited in this government since coming in

You people always find a way to tribalize everything. You use every news to display your hatred for Yoruba no matter how irrelevant.

It was the igbos that voted in the other useless party that sold away NEPA or was it PHCN to useless and incompetent people under stupid terms. It's was the PDP government that the igbos are ready to die for that input yearly tarrif increases into the agreement with those they sold NEPA to. So unless the terms of the sales agreement is renegotiated or the agreement itself terminated, the tarrifs will increase yearly with inflation and dollar rate.

airoport:
They skipped Babalola Disu.

What evidence do you have that Babalola Disu has any link to the murder?

ogwumgbe:
It's a pity that the so called man has no security camera in his home. Chidimma might be innocent.

That's why the case is in court. To prove whether she is guilty or innocent. Mind you she is supposed innocent until proven guilty

They should prove beyond doubt that she's the culprit before prosecuting. Also forensic analysis should be involved.

How can you prove beyond doubt that she is the culprit before prosecuting? Prosecution is to prove her guilt or not. You are not making any sense.

What was the case of the corpse when he was found on Wednesday, an intruder could have murdered him on wednesday to heap the blame on Chidimma. A day corpse according to the security supposed to have swollen and be smelling. If the corpse was still fresh by the time it was discovered, Chidimma has no case

You are just desperately trying to defend her probably because she is "our sister", and you are doing a terrible job of it. Chidinma according to the guard left alone on Tuesday night, the body of the murdered man was found Wednesday morning, and you are making stupid excuse about the corpse supposed to be swelling but is still fresh by the time it was discovered, thereby chidinma is innocent. I think you better take over from her lawyers.

Rexymania:
The story is changing little by little. It may even be true that the wife has a hand in her husband's death as reported anonymously

And who has been changing stories? The only person changing stories in the media is the murder suspect herself, who has changed her story 3 times. She is likely going to change her story again under oath in court.
This is the first time we are hearing from actual witnesses. And we have not heard the testimony from the police.