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ivolt:
They press release is out there and nowhere did the school state the cause of the boys death as it is currently unknown.
They stated the injuries he reported to the school's doctor..

The school had already reported that the death was caused by football related injuries.

Who reported to the doctor that the injuries were football related? Was it the boy himself or the mates he was playing football with? Please link your source.

You seems to be a straw man expert, making up argument as you please.
When someone challenges your view, it is not the end of the world. The right approach
is limit the discussion to what was actually said.
Nothing said so far incriminate the school or anyone else.

A boy died in the care of a school without proper investigation and treatment and you are yapping " Nothing said so far incriminate the school or anyone else."

Nope, most parents who have issues with school never go to the press.
They report erring students and teachers to the school first and if the issue involves violence,
they make police report.
There are at least 5 persons in the hospital with that kid, it is impossible they are all too busy to make a report.

So the 5 people should leave the hospital and go to the police station while the child is still struggling for his life? You think the Dad or Mum can leave their son at the hospital and think coherently of anything else while their child is in excruciating pain. As I said you most probably don't have a child yet.

What is better competence in treating an injury supposedly sustained during a football match?
Did you expect them to conduct X-rays, MRI and the rest over a trivial leg injury as reported?
FYI, that is not how medicine is done. You work from the simple to complex treatment as a case progresses.

Please give us more detail report of that football match.

Also provide us on treatment given the child as a result of that football match injury before the arrival of the parents.

What kind of better treatment did they give your kid?
Did they conduct X-ray, MRI or CT scan to determine if he has internal injuries?
Nope. They treated him based on what he reported just like Dowen did.

Since you are close to the school, provide us with details of the treatment.

So what did you do after getting a call?
Hire an ambulance?

I went to the school and took my daughter home. The school usually provide first aid treatment before I arrive.

Are you sure you are even following the story?
Since Dowen did treated the kid when he reported, I don't see any point here.
Dowen is also not a mind reader to have known what led to it. They work with what they were told.
They obviously won't go around asking every student whether the boy really played football!

Again, not all injuries involve visible cuts, bruises and large blood loss. Some are well hidden even
to the patient and only starts to shows worrisome symptoms few days after the event.

Pathetic excuse. Before any treatment can commence for any treatment, the background to the sickness/ injuries must be ascertained by the doctor or nurse. How did the report of the injuries get to the doctor? Did the boy walk all by himself to the school clinic or was brought by his football mates or teachers. At least football accidents occur during the match.

For a similar story not involving a school, read this one.
https://dailypost.ng/2021/03/18/14-year-old-schoolgirl-beaten-to-death-by-male-classmates-in-abeokuta/
Yes, the parents failed to read their daughters mind and she died!

This is diversion. You are trying to divert attention from Dowen College. That's another case on it's own and should be viewed on its own merit.

Lynch mob isn't justice, it is perversion of justice.

No one is lynching Dowen College. A thorough investigation is underway. But you have already exonerated Dowen College and accused the victims.

ivolt:
They press release is out there and nowhere did the school state the cause of the boys death as it is currently unknown.
They stated the injuries he reported to the school's doctor..



You seems to be a straw man expert, making up argument as you please.
When someone challenges your view, it is not the end of the world. The right approach
is limit the discussion to what was actually said.
Nothing said so far incriminate the school or anyone else.



Nope, most parents who have issues with school never go to the press.
They report erring students and teachers to the school first and if the issue involves violence,
they make police report.
There are at least 5 persons in the hospital with that kid, it is impossible they are all too busy to make a report.


What is better competence in treating an injury supposedly sustained during a football match?
Did you expect them to conduct X-rays, MRI and the rest over a trivial leg injury as reported?
FYI, that is not how medicine is done. You work from the simple to complex treatment as a case progresses.


What kind of better treatment did they give your kid?
Did they conduct X-ray, MRI or CT scan to determine if he has internal injuries?
Nope. They treated him based on what he reported just like Dowen did.


So what did you do after getting a call?
Hire an ambulance?


Are you sure you are even following the story?
Since Dowen did treated the kid when he reported, I don't see any point here.
Dowen is also not a mind reader to have known what led to it. They work with what they were told.
They obviously won't go around asking every student whether the boy really played football!

Again, not all injuries involve visible cuts, bruises and large blood loss. Some are well hidden even
to the patient and only starts to shows worrisome symptoms few days after the event.

For a similar story not involving a school, read this one.
https://dailypost.ng/2021/03/18/14-year-old-schoolgirl-beaten-to-death-by-male-classmates-in-abeokuta/
Yes, the parents failed to read their daughters mind and she died!



Lynch mob isn't justice, it is perversion of justice.

This one you are defending Dowen College as if your life depends on it. It looks like you have a stake in the school.

I trust Lagos State Government to carry out a proper investigation, after which I hope the Police would prosecute all those directly and indirectly involved. Then I expect the father to sue the college for negligence.

Here is a report from the fathers perspective.

But my son that I saw when we got to school didn't look like who fell. Chidalu's hands,face and legs was swollen and he kept writhing in pains.
"What happened to my son?!" My husband shouted at the principal who kept insisting he fell down.
My son could no longer talk as his lips were injured having deep cuts on them.
We immediately took him away from school to a hospital in town where tests were carried out and we were waiting for results.
"Mummy they hit me and locked me inside a cupboard for two days" Chidalu muttered to me silently when it was just I and his dad in the ward.
My heart flew and his dad had his eyes opened wide.
"Who are they?" He asked Chidalu.
"They said they will kill me,they always eat all my provisions and takes my boxers and singlets,they gave me Fayrouz to take forcefully then beat me" I was already crying and boiling.
My husband immediately began calling the police,he called the principal who hung up the call on him.
Suddenly Chidalu began jerking with foams coming out of his mouth,his eyes began turning white.
"Chimooo!! Chimooo!!! Doctor!! Chidalu stop this thing! Huni tell Chidalu to stop this nau!!!" I began screaming and wailing,my wig already on the floor.
My Chidalu heaved and went stone cold,he died in my arms.
My only son!
My only child!
My husband fell to the floor and sobbed.
"Madam Peace please take heart,Sir Lucky we're sorry" the doctor said to us.
"Chidalu's killers will never go unpunished! I will fight with my last blood and with everything I have to make them pay" my husband blurted.
- https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/culprits?__m_async_page__&__big_pipe_on__&fb_dtsg_ag=AQxkpMQWcEE_6oksPM-ULlJ4-exNVTDqFHe5ZQuHy1amzrun%3A29%3A1616278465&jazoest=24985

Watch the video and pictures of the last moments of the boy and tell me if his injuries resemble football accident.
https://www.sojworldnews.com/video-of-last-moments-of-12-year-old-boy-allegedly-beaten-to-death-for-refusing-to-join-cult-in-school/

Football accident should involve legs, bruise of a fall.

Have some conscience and empathy as a human being.

Sagamite:
Upsetting to see a 12 year old boy die, especially in pain.

But I can't help but question how a state civil servant can afford to send his child to Dowen College at N3m per annnum for school fees alone.

The father, also called Sylvester Oromoni, is a mere Chairman of the Environmental task force in Delta state.

Not federal, state!

But this crook said he has had 5 children pass through Dowen College!

With 3 being there at the same time last year. That is N9m on school fees alone. How much is his pay that he can claim to be able to afford that? He can not be earning over N3m a year in his role.

Blood crook! Send the EFCC on this baaastard!

And you see his yeye wife saying "The God she serves will give her vengeance". What bloody God, biiatch?

The God that is that of the Delta people your husband is robbing and looting?

Please don't derail this thread. This is not the topic of this thread. This is about the pain of parents watching their son suffer an excruciating death, and about the incompetence of Dowen College in managing the welfare of it's students.

If you want to talk about corruption in all facets of the Nigerians society, open another thread and we will discuss.

You are a very heartless person. Did you watch the video at all, or you just jump to defend the school and all accused due to selfish reasons?

ivolt:
The school management is working on the information they have, no report was made by the victim.
The parents of the victim are saying another thing after not before the boys death!
The fact is there is nothing incriminating the school, the parents or even the accused kids.

The school management is working with the information they have but they already but they already put out a statement that the boy died from from injuries while playing football, meanwhile no report has been made (according to you).

You are now blaming the parents of the victim? What you are accusing them of I am yet to understand. And after you have concluded your own investigations, you find nothing incriminating the school, the parents or even the accused kids. You only find suspicion incriminating the parents and even the victim.

ivolt:
The next step is to conduct an independent autopsy.
If we go by the narrative so far, foul play happened but no evidence yet to correctly assign blame.

That boy was alive in the hospital all these while and the parent didn't say anything.
Were the parents keeping the information private for reasons best known to them
or it just happens that they were able to get information from him just at the point of death?

You expect the parent to start going to press while their child was still in hospital with doctors battling to save his life. I doubt you have children, so you have no idea of the mental state of a parent whose child is dying.

The school is useless. Even If the incident was not so life threatening, a good school should still have shown better competence in handling the welfare of it's students. The "cheap" school my children go to here in Ikorodu is far more competent than the overrated Dowen College. My 13 year old injured his leg in school while playing football today. The school had alread treated the wound before I got to know about it when I got home in the evening. My little daughter is asthmatic. I get a call from the school whenever she gets an attack. And this is a day school.
You now mean to tell me that from the time the little boy was injured till the time he gave up the ghost, Dowen College was unaware of the injuries and what led to it? Unbelievable.

I pray you grow a conscience.

Lordave:
Stop writing nonsense here, you’re too old or too young to be this incoherent.

You guys are just too emotional. You better stick to business and commerce instead of dabbling into politics. Politics require tact, diplomacy and strategy, qualities you guys seem to lack. You are only adept at insults, threats and chest beating.

Curry which support in 2023? A comment he made in 2015 is what you’re dragging to 2023? And what does Peterside stand to achieve in 2023 with that comment?

Whether the comment was made in 2015 or 2021, it still an effective strategy to curry igbo support politically. Just claim igboness close to a major election and you get block igbo votes, even without promising anything.

Also GEJ never claimed to be Igbo and Igbos never claimed him. (I know someone as incoherent as you might think that the support Igbos gave Jonathan meant he was Igbo)

Yes president Jonathan never claimed he was igbo, but he claimed that Igbos are the pillars of his administration. Come and see Igbos claim Jonathan even more than his Ijaw tribe. Even today, many Igbos have not moved on from Jonathan 2015 election loss.

Ok, let’s assume it was to curry support in 2023 as you want to claim, doesn’t it mean that Igbos have a political stronghold in Rivers State or wherever Peterside comes from? Amaechi Igbo, Peterside Igbo, and many more influential people in Rivers State boldly affirming their Igboness while nonentities keep bleating and crying on Nairaland.

Shame on you pathetic lots!

Yes, the Ikwerres has a political stronghold in Rivers State politics. It will be impossible to become governor without the support of the Ikwerres. Now whether the Ikwerres are Igbos or not is a subject for another day. Many of us outsiders see them as Igbos. Amaechi, Wike and now Peterside remember their Igboness when elections draw near. But immediately forget after entering office, until the next election.

Telekinetic:
Quote me without that and then I’ll know you’re ready to have an intellectual argument. Besides its flaw not flow and damn not dear. Self appointed English teacher!

Yeah. I realise the error, it's the "screen devil" as against printers devil. But you guys will never accept your errors.

Telekinetic:
Oh Einstein I assure you, it’s no insult. I’ve lived with the Ijaws, they don’t really care much for anything other than ogogoro and women!

The major flaw of IPOB is their inability to learn or take corrections.
Context my dear, context. Scouring the internet to look for the meaning of left to or left for is not a popularity cintest, It depends on the context it is used.
If you are using left in terms of decision making, it is left to and never left for.
Examples - l left the decision to her, I left it to chance.

You are exhibing what is called bigotry. You want to tell me that all Ijaws don’t care about anything other than ogogoro and women. But you will get offended if someone is prejudiced against igbos, says all igbos are cheats/criminals who can do anything for money.

Telekinetic:
Okay... So now take a deep breath, clear your already empty mind. Now read my post slowly, alphabet per alphabet. And then quote me.

You said " Left for to me Biafra should consist solely of the 5 Igbo states ". But then if that is true, why so much insults and anger. I did not see anyone here insult you or igbos. Why is it that anyone that deny igboness gets insults from you.

Telekinetic:
Oga shut the f.uck up!
With your so called riverine area what have your people achieved??! Just to seat down from morning to night in one beer parlor drinking ogogoro, eating fish and talking about women while the fed govt f.uck up your rivers and give you pennies. Left for me Biafra should consist solely of the 5 Igbo states, I really don’t know why they try to include nuisances like you guys. You guys are f.uckin lazy. I’ve lived in the Niger Delta before so I know!

Oga, why so much anger? They have the rights to live their lives whichever way they choose and it should ordinarily not be your business. Are you that desperate to make them igbo?

makemoneywbsite:
This is no news to me. I think it is even embarrassing to the people of Opobo even though it is necessary that what Ijaw are doing is countered. My friend, Jaja is his name. He was the one that made me realize that Opobo people are Ndigbo. But there is a silent war against everything Igbo in Nigeria. This is why every Igbo should stand and be counted. And why we all should strive to be separated from this country.

Why do you guys like assigning Ndigbo to tribes that definitely deny the association? Are you guys that desperate to expand biafra land beyond igboland?

GreatBoss:
That's a lie.
Jonathan have Hausa name too.
Mainasara.

It's a lie that Goodluck Jonathan added Ebele as his middle name just before the 2011 elections?

naijapropa:
[size=15pt]Opobo: “We Are Igbos” – Dakuku Peterside[/size]

In a shocking revelation, the member representing Opobo-Nkoro Federal constituency and now the Rivers state Governorship Candidate of APC, Hon. Dakuku Peterside declared that the Opobo people have their roots in Igboland as the founder...>>>READ: http://naijapropa.com/opobo-we-are-igbos-dakuku-peterside/

English comprehension. Having igbo roots does not mean we are igbos. Saxons claim German roots but do not claim to be Germans. Itsekiris claim Yoruba roots but do not claim to be Yorubas.
Peterside is just making a political statement to curry the support of igbos for the 2023 elections, he might soon change his middle name to Nnamdi, just like Jonathan changed his name to Ebele for 2011 elections.

FamTomx2:
This what una talk when he was arrested unlawfully in 2015, that He can never be freed and he was released.

MNK will not spend Christmas @ DSS dungeon, bookmark this post..

Then you guys don't know Buhari. Buhari is as stubborn as a mule.
Buhari has a personal vendetta against Kanu, just like Obasanjo had a personal vendetta against Al-Mustapha. For Buhari to deploy so much resources to kidnap kanu from Kenya, you think he will release him just like that.

If the Igbos like let them sit at home till May 2023, let them kill people (as long as it is restricted to Igbo land), Buhari will not budge.

Rexwalters1:
No war they are already writing UN?, if war starts & Oyibo man looks the other way, it will be the largest genocide of the 20th & 21st Century.

Oyinbo only care about profit and their economy. They will sell weapons to the highest bidder or the person with most resources.

rickyrex:
so the free tax payers money they are collecting as salary should be over looked right. What is wrong for them been fair in their employment opportunity. Are they the only Nigerians. Common don't they too have the brain to divert to IT abi nah only igbos brain dey for. Even if it's ten persons the government can employ let it go wrong... Your brother or sister might be the lucky person

One man in the US (Jeff Bezos) or one man in China (Jack Ma) makes more money than Nigeria not to talk of salaries. Civil service job is the worse job for a productive and innovative person. I know millions of civil servants that retired at 60 at is useless to themselves and community and only relies on pitiful pension. The Igbos has enough innovative population to overtake Africa.

I had the opportunity to work in government but I refused. Today dream is to be Africa's Elon Musk.

InoGetJoy:
The world powers won't fight your battles for you, if that's what your banking on.

The world powers don't need to fight battles for anyone, they need only to provide intelligence, logistic support, arms and training, just like in the last war.

The Igbos will get their country. That's a given, it's just a matter of time.

Igbos getting their own country would be a very difficult proposition. Various Nigerian governments have made sure Igbos are isolated (dot in a circle). Kanu's style of agitation have made it certain that they have no allies both locally and internationally (probably except israel). It's impossible fighting wars without allies. Even the Taliban had allies in Pakistan and Qatar.

After the Igbos get their country, the Yorubas will stay with the North for some years but the north will deal ruthlessly with the Yorubas and the Yorubas will try to get their own country but the entire world won't allow that because they know detaching the north and the Yorubas will lead to a humanitarian crisis as the north, being parasitic, will need a host. Right now, the Igbos are the buffer preventing these jihadists from running totally amok. When they leave, it'll be a harvest of blood in whatever remains of the nigger area. What's currently happening now in the middle belt will be child's play.

Bookmark this post

Just conjectures and dreams would any basis in reality.

Time will tell.

Rexwalters1:
Even U

I am a realist. I don't allow emotional sentiments to sway my judgement.

rickyrex:
if you know what the northerners are benefiting in this country without contributing a dine, gaining the highest employment in government agencies, you will find a reason why this country need to be diivided

You want to divide the country simply because Northerners gained the highest employment in government? Please tell me, what's the total workforce of the Nigerian Federal civil service in comparison with the population? How many people can the government employ? IT jobs alone can dwarf the Nigerian civil service. New economy is about skills and job creation and not administrative government work, which the Igbos should have an advantage.

Rexwalters1:
The world is not ready for any genocide.

And you think the world cares about Igbos or any other black tribe? The world powers have not cared about the Rohingya people that have been driven from their homeland in Myanmar, they have not cared about the Uyghurs in China who are housed in a huge concentration camp in China. It is the Igbos that they would care about.

Emergingnation:
Lol

Says unity beggar that can't imagine his miserable life without Igbo...

It is only mental derailed stunts that still think Nigeria will unit to fight Igbo again....

I

Believe me, if the Igbos unilaterally declare secession again, Nigeria along with the world major powers (probably except israel) would unite to fight the Igbos again.

Emergingnation:
Says typical fulani muslim....

Kanu will come out stronger with Biafra flag in his hand.

Buhari will leave to see Biafra being actualised

Biafra if actualized will be a disaster not only to Nigeria but the whole of West Africa. It will return Nigeria to pre-colonial Nigeria or pre unified Greece, where tribes and sub-tribes are always in a constant state of war. Even the 12 tribes of Israel unified to become 1.
The world powers (probably except France) would not want to deal with the problems a scattered Nigeria would create.

Safyqueen:
The hypocrisy of this game is that non of you had criticised the school for banning what supposed to be personal things to the Muslim women alone.
Now you are blaming the oppressed whose rights are trampled upon.

Nigerian christain has a plenty ways of looking for Muslims trouble.

Just like they trample on the rights of Moderate Christians, traditional worshippers and atheist by banning the wearing of bum shorts, spaghetti tops and sleeveless shirts on campus.

Analyst7:
If those students were kidnapped they won't urge any protest
Terrorists triggering potential terrorists

It depends on who is doing the kidnapping. If it's a Christian group the kidnapped Muslim girls, MURIC would would be ready to tear the country down. But if it was a Muslim group that kidnap little girls (Muslim or Christian)for sex\rape, you would not hear a whimper from them.

dalongjnr:
Keyamo is right at that. I national panel be set aside to probe the activities of the army,police and other paramilitary agencies not neglecting the activities of the civil society, political stack holders and influencers.

So Buhari and Malami knew States Judicial Panels cannot probe the activities of army, police and other paramilitary agencies, but directed them to inaugurate the panels to probe the endsars protests and lekki "massacre" and also directed the army and police to attend the panel?

Keyamo then had to wait for the report to come out before having an epiphany that it's illegal for state judicial panels to investigated army, police and other paramilitary agencies.

Ynix:
Do you guys have some belief system

We guys have different belief systems. Some atheist believe in spirituality, others don't. Some believe in love, compassion, objective morality, others believe in survival of the fittest and subjective morality. The only thing that bind atheists is the lack of belief in a personal God.

I for one believe that the universe is an energy. Various manifestations of that energy is what we perceive and interact with. That's what I understand from Einstein's famous equation. What that energy is, how it came about and how it will end, is not known or knowable.

Do you guys look up to someone or some people

No. That's why they became atheist in the first place. An average atheist cannot subject him or herself to be a slave to anyone or any diety. They are not prepared to worship anything.

Do you guys get recruited or recruit others.

No. Atheism is a personal journey. It starts by questioning existing beliefs and order that had been instilled in us from birth, then progress to trying to provide alternative reasoning to those beliefs and finally ending with a total rejection of those beliefs. These doubts and questions usually arise during or immediately after teens when people's belief system are beginning to set like concrete. It's difficult for a person over 30 years to change beliefs.

If it is so then those are the characteristics of a religion

It's not. Religions have a God, doctrines and central authority like priests, pastors or gurus that every one must follow. Atheism does not have these.

In related news, an aid to the Bayelsa State Governor has renounced Christianity to adopt his local religion, Egbesu worship - https://www.nairaland.com/6869580/bodmas-kemepadei-dumps-christianity-egbesu

Adakintroy:
I only ask asimple question. Did your parents believe in God. You would have been the one to insult them not me if your answer was in the right. I guess you sense it coming hence the maruading to the left and right. I respeCT parents so much so am even on the side of your parents just now. You are not.

.that's what arrogance gets you with knowledge. The audacity to call everyone who do not believe in a non God state as ignorant just because you wish to push your idea across is plain ridiculous. That's you not remotely acknowledging events that conspire to bring you here. No matter how primitive you judge them. Yes you could have been the one to honor your father in truth and in spirit. Not me. I ask you have you had he courage to confront your father on his believe. However civil you can manifest your confronts. If you
haven't then by all account you a weakling coward at best. Courage defeats you. Like I told him charity begins at home not with the world.

You respect parents so much and yet you made the following statements.

Adakintroy:
So now we can agree your father fed you bullshit and he was demented.

So have you ever question him about his madness.

You think insulting his parents was the Christian way to convince him.

Adakintroy:
I will drag whoever I want into this. I did not insult anyone..I asked a perfectly valid question Did your parents believe in God?. am guessing yes they did. Can you say they were deluded or mad? .am not refering to him( the other guy now) rather am asking you directly. You can see clear there is no insult here. Just a perfectly valid neutral question. Pls answer me. I did not insult them note that. Unless you are bringing sentiments into rational discuss.

Did your parents believe in God?

I have never discussed my parents with anyone outside family not to talk of some username on an anonymous forum. In my over 10 years on nairaland I have never have to discuss my parents or family for that matter with anyone and I will not start today.

If your religion and adopted culture teaches not to respect the old and aged, that's your problem, but in African culture parents are off-limits. Parents and children (adult) do not have to have identical political, religious and social views.

Children of Muslims convert to Christianity and vice versa. Children of Christians convert to animists or atheists. Fela was a typical example, his father was a highly respected reverend. Fela converted to traditional religion and changed his name. That doesn't mean you have the right to insult his father.

Adakintroy:
Did you follow the thread or you just taking sides.

You can follow up the thread if you wish to join the discussion proper rather than pinch in half way. I asserted that half of atherist have parents who believe in God yet they are saying those of us her ewho do are demented. So now if we are and Thai is a honest question what does that make their own parents if they believe also I. Same God. You can answer that too since you are in..notice it's a question..if you feel insulted, it's not me it's you reaid g from it.

You are just being disingenuous and cynical at the same time. It's like someone saying you are demented and you saying it's your parents that are demented. Why not defend your points instead of dragging his parents into it.

Ishilove:
You are gbamming and still being willfully blind. What you are implying is atheists are not also involved the the corrupt practices, which we all know is bullshit because corruption knows no ethnic group or religion.

Mr Oga, the weather is too hot for merry-go-round arguments. Abeg carry your wahala dey go

You fail to realized that the moral fabric of a society is determined by the priests and religious leaders. Even in the bible, in times of tribulations and moral decadence, the people look towards the religious leaders - prophets and priests. Powerful kings, generals and ordinary people look up to them for guidance. But in the case of Nigeria, they contribute to the moral decay.

Ishilove:
Oh stop, puhleeze. Are you listening to yourself?? You are putting the blame on pastors, forgetting that everyone is responsible for their choices irregardless of their religious leaning.

You are irreligious, all well and good, but don't let your hatred for Christianity blind you to the fact that Nigeria is plagued corrupt today because of our inherent greed and love for primitive accumulation of wealth, and disunity.

Gbam! And guess who promotes greed and primitive accumulation of wealth? - Nigerian Pentecostal pastors. The way they promote and display primitive accumulation of wealth is akin to drug lords.

FlipModeSquade:
Atheism have existed since the dawn of time..

If you are talking about a political movement..

Then that's another thing..

But disbelieve in the existence of a God..

Have been around since the early man..

The word atheism is older than the word Christianity.