₦airaland Forum

Kobojunkie:
If you never had evidence of God's existence before thus, why did you call yourself a Christian to begin with?

I would never had chosen Christianity if He hadn't proven to me first that He is. If He hadn't invaded my space during the trial period, I would have concluded that He didn't exist and moved on to the next Faith on my list.

I would say you are economical with the truth here ( I did not say you are lying). I am sure you were a Christian first before he proved to you that he is. That's the way it works for over 90% of religionists. You are born into a particular religion and then later become more convinced of that religion as you mature. Very few change religion or become irreligious as they become more descerning, and I doubt you are one of them that changed religion.

Abagworo:
The significant thing is that his wife has filed for divorce so Maria can have him and his remaining 50% wealth which she also intends to cut half after a few years.

50% of his wealth in Nigeria? Even in the US the woman does not get 50% of the man's wealth in a divorce. It depends on numerous factors like her contribution to the man's wealthy and their respective worth prior to the marriage.

Biglittlelois:
And they've all made it the wife's fault, same way it was with Annie, it is in naija I know that men never take sole responsibility or blame for their fvck up, nobody knew who your brother was if not for Maria, so how did the wife drag his name through the mud? Only in naija will a man get married, and if he prioritises his wife and kids above others, automatically means the wife is at fault and is using juju, and cases like this will never come from a female, it is always the younger brother or elder that will bring up lamentations and sob stories, same way it was with Annie, smh.

That's because it is only in Nigeria that the whole family is involved in a man's success. In Nigeria and indeed black Africans where there is poverty and absolutely no social security net. The whole family (and sometimes village) contributes to the education or business of one brother. Does it now make sense for the same brother to abandon his whole family because he married an "okpeke"? Should be not also give back to his family that help make him? Meanwhile the wife will be sponsoring her own family with the husband's money no caring about the husband's family. Is that not the height of wickedness and selfishness?

Noshitboi:
Na arrangee by the police. They want to paint the protesters as hoodlums but God pass them

Exactly. It not only arrest we want to hear. We would like to also hear prosecution in a court of law and punishment. After the "arrest" the suspect would be released or "bailed" by those who sent them, and that is the last we will hear of it.

Phraences:
If people had all they desired, i doubt they will engage in midnight prayer. Anyone engaging in midnight prayer is definitely looking for something and most times it is progress, success, promotion, anointing of ease and then health issues or problems of life. But money is usually the common denominator.

Exactly. Buy you will agree with me that people and societies that achieved progress, success, promotion, anointing of ease and health did not do so by midnight prayer and fasting. It was predicated on education, hard work, justice and peace.

Iyaebe:
The sole reason why we are created is to worship God,so midnight prayers doesn't mean we are asking God for worldly things, it's not out of place to also state our desires but however God knows what's best for us and whatever He didn't grant us was not good for us in the first place.When you feed your soul with His spirit and abide by his commandments you shall be rewarded with the best of both worlds.Give it a try sir.

So if you don't ask for worldly things like good health, wealth and fortune, what then do you ask for in your daily midnight prayers?

If God knows what's best for you and he grants you whatever he feels is good for you, what then is the essence of your midnight prayers? Since as you said, it cannot change the plan God already has for you.

Iyaebe:
That's what makes us different, I'm not worldly and my major concern is the life after this life,so we children of faith care less about worldly things,we just do our best and let God take over.Heaven is our target.Shalom

See consolation. If you are not worldly and your major concern is the life after this life, then what is your daily midnight prayers all about - for God to take you into the afterlife quickly?

My sister, spend the time you are wasting on midnight prayers praying for "worldly things" to improve yourself - improve your health, mind and wealth. Learn new skills, get new certificates or degrees, exercise your body. In 5 years you will be much better than where you are today.

Iyaebe:
I never said midnight prayers doesn't work,I engage in midnight prayers almost daily but I responded according to the topic

If midnight prayers work, you must be the most successful person in the country, at least in your locality.

seyicodes:
over 2 billion people can't fall for scam. Do you mean you are more intelligent than over 2 billion people that believe in God and religion.

Billions fell for the MMM scam. Billions of people have fallen for money doubling scams and billions more will continue to fall. It's the right promises - extraordinary promises, right packaging and right marketing.

None is more potent than the other as both are useless. As the saying goes "Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer."

Too much fasting and midnight prayers may even be harmful to the physical and metal wellbeing of a person. Imagine telling someone that is sick or have some medical condition like ulcer to fast. Same thing with midnight prayers, not getting adequate sleep will make someone less functional and productive at work the next day, that is apart from the mental and psychological problems of sleep deprivation.

The amount of time Nigerians waste in fasting and prayers, if we put it to use in actual work, learning and research, we would be the greatest nation on earth.

Solatium:
[b]Did you had a written contract with those who you undertake a job for and ended up owing you for more than one month at the delivery point?

You cannot undertake construction job without an agreed quotation and payment terms, all signed.

The Problem with you guys is that you always think you are at their Mercy,a rich man is not stupid,if he knows that you are well structured the chances of deliberately owing you for that long is very very slim,i have undertake jobs for cooperate entities and the longest they owe me is 2 weeks after delivery,the worse experience i had was with a state agency whose head held all contractor's money for over 3 months and that was the last job i undertook with them before i withdrew my services.

Forget structure, rich and powerful men owes big and structured companies and there is little they can do except long and expensive legal tussles to get their monies. Rich men owe big and structured banks billions of naira and the banks beg to get their money. AMCON was created for banks to recover loans that banks could otherwise not recover.

I don't care who you are,i will not come to you seeking a favor neither will i look to get things through the backdoor.
Once those conditions are not there you no go wan try am now[/b]

A former Group Managing Director of NNPC owed me for job done at his residence and his wife's office. What do you expect me to do? I asked someone he respects to beg him for me. It was the day he was taking his whole family to London on holidays he felt pity for me and paid me my N250,000 owed. Do you want me to tell you about a SAN (Senior Advocate of Nigeria) that owed me for 8 months.

Now, I don't allow people to owe me. I must collect my money 100% before final delivery of any goods or services. This I state in all my contracts. If the clients don't accept it, then it's bye. I cannot go through the stress and humiliation of begging for my money again.

Solatium:
A rich and connected Person won't owe you an 8 months rents,locks hop and go AWOL.

A rich and connected person would be dealing with a corporate entity (Estate valuer)thereby a legal agreement would have been in place which is binding on all parties

You above post betray your ignorance on how rich men conduct business. It seems you have never done business or you have never gone beyond petty business.
I have over 20 years exoerience of running my own businesses, and I can tell you that from exoerience it is the very rich and wealthy that owes the most. In fact very wealthy and powerful people pay their workers very poor. If I tell you the calibre of people that owed me as little as N300,000 for up to a year before I got my money, you will not believe it. It was the main reason I had to close down my construction company I was running.

If the OP thinks his rights have been bridge at a time or the other he should approach the rent tribunal,that won't cost a harm and leg

This is not a civil case for a rent tribunal but a criminal case of illegal entry and burglary. Taking someone's property without permission or court order is theft.

Solatium:
He who goes to justice must come with a clean hand,if you want to deal with people in a legal way,you must also comply to the same legal law.
As far as i am concern the landlord still act within a reasonable sense.
Blabbing is not enough you can foot the bill of the OP's legal actions.

The landlord acted within a reasonable sense - morally and emotionally. But legally he committed a crime. If he tried that with a rich or connected person, he could lose a lot more than the rent value.

Daboomb:
Stop giving IGNORANT ADVICE here!

Lease tenants, whether Yearly Lease or Ten Years Lease, also attract 7days Notice of Owner's intention to Apply to for Recovery Property/Take possesion, after Lease has expired by Effluxion of Time.

So, it is not correct to say that 7Days Noticr apply to only Monthly tenant.

I just pity all these Muumu landlords who worked hard to Buld their House and then allow one useless Tenant to be riding them.
Greedy landlords should know that it does not serve their interest, to collect Agreement Money but refuse to Execute a Water-Tight Agreement.
That is their greatest Undoing.

Such ignorance. It seems you have never been to court to witness a tenancy case between landlord and tenant.
A landlord's notice of intention to recover his property is not a right to forcefully evict a tenant. It is as it fully describes, an intention to commence legal proceedings to recover his property. It is still the courts that would determine team recovery of your property. The length of the notice to commence recovery proceeding depends on the length of the tenancy according to the Lagos Tenancy Law passed in 2011.

Unless the recovery of property is specifically stated in the tenancy agreement, the law applicable is the Lagos Tenancy Law. Even at that the landlord cannot evict the tenant without a valid court order.

Educate yourself better here - https://laws.lawnigeria.com/2020/04/22/tenancy-law-of-lagos-state/

drealcivilceno:
Ok.

Mmm... The lagos tenancy laws do not apply to those on the island, so the agreements signed would have cover everything, except for those that are not aware of the law.

I wish your were a tenant sha, I for don teach your somethings.

Yinmu!

I am sure you have never hired a lawyer and taken someone to court. If you have you will have a faint idea of how the judicial system works.

Lagos tenancy law does not permit a landlord to forcefully break into a tenants house and remove or seize his property, no matter the rent owed.

Solatium:
I am fully aware of that,but how do you explain the 8 months rent owed?

So what? I have been owed for over one year in my course of budiness, I did not resort to violence. Property rentage is a business and should be treated as one.

Are you also aware that the landlord must have gone to Court to secure a kangaroo judgement to have him evicted?

That's your own excuse. The landlord denied entering the tenants apartment and insisted the tenants load was taken by his brother.

it's all technicality bro,there is nothing he can do here,the landlord beat him to the game

The landlord did not beat him to any game. The OP is probably too timid or too broke to take on the landlord. Any landlord that tries this with someone a stubborn tenant would pay a huge price.

drealcivilceno:
OK.

After the six months... If you no pack I will just comot zinc, door, window abi na own again. When mosquito and animals visit you like 3days, then if you now stubborn, I will seal the exits.

He seized your stuff, he was wrong.

He was supposed to wait till he knew where your new apartment was, then come calling for the amount you are owning..

Then when the auction some of your stuff, your eyes go clear!

Well the guy no follow procedure na him coz am.

Hope you paid everything you are owing, sha!

You can only try that shit with a face me I face you tenant. If you comot zinc (or aluminium sheets), door, window, etc of a duplex or flat in Lekki, V/I or even Ikeja, you will be faced with a criminal and multi million naira law suit.

Solatium:
There is no law that can save the situation here bro,even if he had asked you to leave you are only entitle 6 months Quit notice,in this case you are owing him for 8 months,you should have run around and send him like 6 months salary before he acts.
So sorry it's too late

The six months start counting from the day you acknowledge receipt of the quit notice and not from the day your rent expires. If the landlord had not giving him quit notice, then the six months has not started running.

Iamolukorede:
Left to me, I will break into your apartment and still charged you to court. For solid 8month and you have been away for 13month and still counting. Haha, can you do that abroad?.. you pay your bills monthly man.

He should have charged him to court instead of breaking into his apartment. A landlord has no right to break into a tenants apartment even if the tenant is owing 8 years.

Besides, the landlord can only sue to a civil court and not a criminal Court as owing is not a crime. Meanwhile the tenant can sue the landlord to a criminal Court, which involves bail money, surety and all. The landlord will pay through his nose if taken to court.

You should be pleading with him or be sleeping in cell by now man, that you have lived with him for 8years doesn't mean a shit.

Sleeping in cell for what offense exactly? Owing someone for service rendered?

You people behave like Fulani business. You want special privileges given to people who engage in rent business, just like Fulani people want special privileges given to cow business ( free land). When customers owe for services or goods supplied, you take them to civil court to recover your money and not resort to self help or violence.

blaise26abj:
You are very right . That Landlord should be made a example of . I constructed a house like that in abuja and the property managers got a woman into the building for 2.5m per year . She paid the first year , defaulted the 2nd and when the managers tried to recover the property, she locked the house up and left for another year . The managers stupidly kept trying to use patience to collect the rent and the woman directed them to pack her things out but that there is a lot of gold in the house. She said they should keep it till she returns. That was when they received sense to go to court . The Court finally asked them to open the house and auction her things and also put a warrant out for her arrest.
People are wicked . Imagine they broke in without court order . That’s how they will pay for gold that will be used to offset 3 years rent .

Most sensible post. Nigerian landlords are in the habit of waiting 2 years before commencing legal proceedings to eject defaulting tenants. The landlord should start eviction proceedings at most 6 months after default. And he should make sure he collects all rents owed before allowing the tenant to pack his things. The courts do not take kindly to tenants abscorning with landlord's rent.

drealcivilceno:
The only problem will 7days to send notice then grace period (papers). After which you will asked to pay for grace period.

7 days quit notice is only applicable to monthly tenants. Tenants that pay yearly are entitled to 6 months notice.

Oga go to police station.. And go and write.

Shey na police go settle matter ni!

Na court now. When you waste money for lawyer and court case.

Then I will look for things to put on your head, so next time, you will know your place...

False and defeatest mindset. I have taken my landlord to court before and won even when the police were acting funny.

I took the police itself to court about 4 months ago for illegally siezing my car (it was involved in an accident) and I won, and got my car back.

helpee:
Are you living with them? For the OP to send his brother to go and check, it means he must have been going there before so why won't the landlord know him? What are you even saying? verification of what? You mean the OP employed his landlord as security again? so if the landlord sees your brother moving your things out after 13 months abseentism, the landlord should start arresting the OP's brother. Who told you the landlord Is even living in the apartment? So if the landlord was told the OP' s brother came to park things out then he should leave whatever he is doing and go and police the place for the OP. You guys assume too much. Get to court and police station first and see how they turn case upside down. Most of you don't know that in court, you won't even be able to say what you want to say. The lawyer may be asking you just yes and no question and you probably have 30minutes for your own testimony. The rest na lawyer wey get 100 cases whose details he barely remember that will be throwing technical jargons. Make the OP just pack his load and leave wahala behind

A landlord tried that shit with me a while back because I was owing just one month (I offered half the yearly rent). Because he was a retired officer, he brought boys to forcefully eject me. I just went to the police station and made a report about illegal eviction and damaging of property. Same day I got a restraining order against the landlord. He bribed the police and the police started taking his side
Then we started the legal battle. After 6 months of legal tussle, he had to start begging. At the end I ask for one year free of rent to cover the damages. He and his lawyer gladly signed. I left after 9 months.

OnlineArchitect:
You're a Nigeria it's normal for you not to want to hear the truth.. If you had taken time to go through my comment you'll notice that i didn't support the landlord for his actions either. Make we dey try read before jumping into conclusions

What truth did you tell? A man was owing his tenant 8 month's rent and you are talking about morality and playing the victim. I hate jungle justice.

ordovicianonly:
Op you are a very w!cked —£vil tenant who don’t care about the owner of the house . It is proper to lock someone’s else property for a year plus ? It is proper to owe your landlord for 8 months without even calling him to beg ? So what do you expect the old man to eat if all the tenants on the property decided to copy you by not paying ? And you will wonder why some tenants can’t build their own house even after working for years ? It is because they love to owe their landlords even when they are capable of paying . Your landlord have no case cos you don’t even have any proof he broke your door and he already denied doing that . If you decided to take him to court you will spend money you don’t to pay his rent and you might still lose the case if he have a good lawyer cos you don’t even have a proof except dem say

From what I am reading here, it seems Nigerians don't deserve to live in a sane society. Even If the tenant owes a landlord for 8 years, the landlord has no right to resort to jungle justice to recover his debts. Property business just like other businesses has its risks, and being owed is one of the risks.

The landlord could have gone to the courts to recover both his property and debts. I have been owed lots of money in my business. I did not break into my debtors house with thugs to seize his property

OnlineArchitect:
Let's not be quick to play the victim card now you've owed your landlord for that long. Do you always call to remind him to be patient with you or you just absconded leaving your properties in his house. In as much as the landlord didn't do well let's try as much as possible to do what's morally right

I am pained that you are a fellow architect but you are reasoning like a draughtsman. That you are owing a person does not permit you to resort to self service, that's jungle justice. The landlord would have gone to court to recover his property if he could not get hold of the tenant.

What the landlord did was purely a crime. Go and report to the police, take a police approved photographer take photos of your property and any damage done by the landlord. Write a list of all your damaged and missing items (I hope you have receipts for most of them). Then get a lawyer and sue the landlord for theft and illegal eviction. Also get the lawyer to obtain a protective order to stop the landlord from harassing you for the duration of your tenancy as you are still a legal tenant. Don't forget to add emotional damage to your suit.

Racoon:
Though governor Wike said he is an Ikwerre and not an Igbo man going by the evil his tyrannical govt meted on the inhabitants of Oyigbo? What is an Ikwerre man doing with Ohaneze?

Abi he has a brother by mixed parentage? It is only a foolish man that will deny his well established roots. Posterity will surely judge you.

Governor Wike has many brothers. I have not heard any of his brother admit they are igbo by tribe. Maybe this one in South Africa has, I don't know.

Here is another of Wike's brother talking about igbos as if they are a foreign tribe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eIANfvzo1g

I think when God was creating the Nigerian he gave him more emotion than reasoning capacity or according to evolutionists the hypothalamus is more developed than the hippocampus. Simply put we are controlled by emotions rather than reason.

mysticwarrior:
you are very wrong, apart from chatinent the other two you mentioned are bent on defending the action of the American Justice system in this man's case, regardless if the jury might have been wrong, one of them even said "I say he is guilty because the Jury said so" you should know that not every one has the ability to convince others, but from what the OP has been saying it looks like they may have made a mistake somewhere. You are doubting the OP in his quest to prove his innocence, that is why you doubt if what he is saying would convince anyone in the US. Pls note that the American criminal Justice department is not 100% perfect, there are numerous cases of innocent people who have been wrongfully convicted in the US, below are just a few cases.

Mr Bah is guilty of rape among other crimes because a jury of 12 (not sure of the exact number says so). The jury system is more robust than the judge system. If Mr. Bah had been able to convince just one juror of his innocence, he would have been considered innocent.

As I said, I am not in a position to say whether the convicted actually commited crime or not, only God and Mr Bah himself can know that. What every other person can rely on is the court system. As the court has pronounced him guilty, guilty he is until the courts again find reason to rescind its decision. All other opinions are irrelevant.

The US justice system is not perfect as it is operated by mortals, and humans are far from being infallible. Having said that, the US justice system is one of the most fair and robust in the world. Of course it makes mistakes from time to time, but it cannot compare to a country like Nigeria where most citizens in prison are innocent or awaiting trial for decades for minor misdemeanors.

If You are truly concerned about injustice of jailing innocent people for decades for crimes they did not commit, you should fight the Nigerian justice system.

Mr Bah had ample opportunity to defend himself before the conclusion of the trial. He could have reached out to Nigerians both in the US and Nigeria before judgement was passed. He had ample opportunity to appeal any part of the trial he found unfair to him getting justice. He could have even questioned or rejected any member of the jury. He and his lawyers should have done their homework before judgement was passed. Three years after a guilty verdict, he is now beginning to make a case of mistrial. He is in for a very difficult time indeed. Unless another person is found to have commited the crime or he can come up with a new incontrovertible evidence, I honestly don't see how he can prove his innocence.
This is the basic fact 1stgenamerican and georgechidi are trying to pass.

mysticwarrior:
I don't see any reason why you should be bringing this issue here, in northern Nigeria cousins are allowed to have sexual relationship and even get married, like sanusi lamido who married his cousin. The man you are quoting is also from northern nigeria and he didn't raped his cousins, bringing this issue to discredit him in his attempt to vindicate the op is completely out of line.

You don't see any reason why MMotimo should bring up the issue of temblor1 supporting indiscriminate fúcking of cousins but you support temblor1 asking about the virginity of a 13 year old rape victim

Was she a virgin? Was there a tear in her anus to indicate forceful-first time sodomy?

In the same northern Nigeria old men are allowed to get married to 13 year old girls. Try that in the US and you will be convicted for rape.

In the same north, if you are found fùcking a girl/woman without marrying her, you will be lynched.

The character of you guys purporting to support Mr Bah is suspect. The only people in fact helping him are 1stgenamerican and Georgechidi apart from chatinent, others are just tell bent on justifying their wayward tendencies while making thing more difficult for Mr Bah. They are preparing him from what he will face in order to convince anyone to look at his case.
And if his appeal comes through, what he will face from the DA, prosecutors and the press will be 100 times worse. If he cannot convince doubters here of his innocence, I doubt he will the able to convince anyone in the U.S.

creativeinventor:
Can y'all just shut the fvck up on this arrogance of a thing. Y'all are sounding stupid. Should the OP now keep quiet to all your insults and accusation like a meek goat, have you ever been locked up? The man is entitled to express himself, he is flesh and blood just like me and you, it's like you think this case is black and white, all the guy did was to challenge those that were accusing him, how is that arrogance, I swear this shit is pissing me off, just because he's in jail and he needs help, he should be sucking all your d!cks right

Ok the OP should behave like the alpha lion and roar at anyone that doubt his story. Take note that the charges are no longer accusations but convictions. So no one is accusing the OP.
Let the OP continue to express himself, he has 3 life times to do it. If you thing expressing himself can get set him free, then continue to goad him to express himself aggressively to all that fail to believe his story, includung the press, lawyers, judge and the general public.

You are sitting in the comfort of your living room screaminv" this shit is pissing me off". If you are incarcerated, even if it is in Nigerian prison not to talk of a prison in Georgia, for the rest of your life, you will suck both sick and ass of anyone who could help get you out.

I think some of you deliberately want to sabotage the OP from any change of having his case looked at.

temblor1:
It is to my personal conviction, Mr Bah didn't rape nor molest any individual.
You guys can mob the thread, but not me.
What has age got to do with your submissions?
Yahoo Yahoo boy's and drug Lords take note.
No matter your resources, righteousness shall prevail.
Righteousness2, kindly say a word and a prayer for our fellow Nigerian youth whom have ditched their destinies.
Shalom.

You might have personal conviction that Mr Bah didn't rape any individual, others have personal conviction that Mr Bah did rape the 13 year old minor. All these convictions don't mean shit. The only conviction that matters is that of the court, and the court has convicted. So, if you can't help the OP with your personal convictions then keep quiet instead of polluting the thread with stupid and irrelevant posts, and allow those that can help guide him. You have not made any suggestions that can help Mr Bah so far.

temblor1:
Can you prove she's factually a rape victim?
The same honour and liberty you're extending to the victim on this forum, should also be accorded to the victim!
Do you approve or disapprove?

Yes, someone was convicted of her rape based on evidence including medical records. That she was raped is not in doubt.

temblor1:
Sir!
Are we in court?
I ask once again.

No we are not. But I wonder how your mind wondered off to the virginity status of a 13 year old rape victim.