₦airaland Forum

Ishilove:
Oh stop, puhleeze. Are you listening to yourself?? You are putting the blame on pastors, forgetting that everyone is responsible for their choices irregardless of their religious leaning.

You are irreligious, all well and good, but don't let your hatred for Christianity blind you to the fact that Nigeria is plagued corrupt today because of our inherent greed and love for primitive accumulation of wealth, and disunity.

Gbam! And guess who promotes greed and primitive accumulation of wealth? - Nigerian Pentecostal pastors. The way they promote and display primitive accumulation of wealth is akin to drug lords.

FlipModeSquade:
Atheism have existed since the dawn of time..

If you are talking about a political movement..

Then that's another thing..

But disbelieve in the existence of a God..

Have been around since the early man..

The word atheism is older than the word Christianity.

Ishilove:
How many churches have you attended to make you come to this conclusion?

That aside, are you saying that religion motivated the police officer to harass and extort defenceless Nigerians, that caused bribery and nepotism to be normalised in every sector of the economy, and caused public officials to be hopelessly sticky fingered?

Yes, I am saying religion is part of the motivation that police officer harass and extort defenceless Nigerians, because prosperity preachers looking for tithes encourage them to pray and wish for unmerited wealth as proof of Gods blessings. His pastor will bless the police man for buying a N50 million car and demand tithes even when he knows a policeman earns N60,000 per month. I have seen pastors bless a student for giving the huge donations without questioning the source of the money.

I still say it again, prosperity preachers are part of the reason Nigeria is one of the most corrupt countries in the world.

Adakintroy:
So now we can agree your father fed you bullshit and he was demented.

So have you ever question him about his madness.

It's an insult to bring his parents into the discussion. Your parents have their own beliefs systems which you might disagree with as you grow older. Before Christianity took root, their parents were traditionalists, that doesn't give you the right to call them demented.
Your are disrespectful and appalling.

Ishilove:
Was the perennial corruption in the system caused by religion?

Absolutely yes! Religion especially Christianity rationalises corruption by promoting acquisition of unexplained wealth without hard work or merit. The justify corruption by public officials, 419 by yahoo boys and other crimes that produces instant wealth. All in the name of prosperity. I have not seen pastors preach against or condemn the 419 epidemic affecting our youths.

Before pentecostalism and their prosperity doctrine, corrupting was only prevalent in the political elite class, but pentecostals promoted corruption by ordinary people - traders, low level civil servants and the youth.

cooooooks:
Pretty sure Tai Solarin was atheist, or at least non Christian/Muslim.

I was a follower of Tai Solarin those days. In fact he was he that introduced me to atheism. He was a vocal atheist who attacked Christianity in his weekly Sunday Tribune column.

Back then Nigeria was still a moderate and tolerant country, before religious fundamentalism - Boko Haram and pentecostals took over. He was even appointed by IBB as chairman of People's Bank and his atheism was never an issue. If it was today, boko haram and pentecostals would harass and threaten him.

Saintmary:
Hahahahahahahahhahahaha

Hahahahahahahahhahahaha

I won't reply anymore, I got to take care of my life over here.

Continue wallowing in your foolishness.

I wash my hands off of you.
I will not be responsible for your end.

And who appointed you to be responsible for my end?

I am in my office overseeing things. I have people working for me. I can choose to stay at home to run my businesses from home.

So who is more foolish btw You And I? You are so hate filled that you are conditioned to fear and hate anyone that don't conform to your world view

Saintmary:
Are you scared?
Ha, you're scared!

You scared me?

Saintmary:
Me?
Threaten you?


Pekele pekele!

What do I have, who am I, just a simple person going about my life.

I was just helping you prepare for the inevitable.

I got a lot to take care of. Got to go.

Stay sharp.

Who beg you to help me, a random stranger prepare for the inevitable? Probably you are looking for more members to suck into your delusions to strengthen your beliefs. Maybe you are beginning to waver in your delusions.

Why not care for people around you that actually need your help? People who needs food, cloths,support that would actually improve their lives instead of wasting energy caring for the beliefs of anonymous strangers.

Saintmary:
He's not the one that asked you to follow the devil, you made your bed, and so you will lie in it.

When did he tell you he follows the devil or anything else. It's you and God that has "a anyone not believe in my God is a sworn enemy" policy. That's your problem and not his.

You can only force the horse to the river, you can't make it drink.

But then why punish or kill the horse for refusing to drink? Is it by force to drink?

You have life and death in front of you.

So also do you and everyone else.

It's up to you whichever one you chose, of course you can't blame anyone for your choices. Are you not an adult?

Correct. So let people choose what they choose to believe and stop threatening people with violence - physically or spiritually.

You expect God to always pick up after you, to rescue you from every inconvenience, simply because you deem Him Omniscient and All-Powerful, yet simple worship you can't offer, you refuse to acknowledge Him for all His works, you refuse to be responsible for any little thing in the entire creation.

When have atheists asked God to pick after them to rescue them from every inconvenience? Your God that have not been able to rescue Christians, pastors and even G.Os from every inconvenience.
Why should he ask me to worship him? Your God sounds like an egocentric king with an inferiority complex. I don't even ask my children who I feed and take care of to worship me and always massage my ego.

Only to draw in His Oxygen, drink His water, till His ground, build houses on His planet, marry His handiwork and bear more children as He has designed you to do.

Very germane response. All these were in place ever before the first humans set foot on the planet. Every animal and living thing on earth obey the same life process. Maybe your God should require Monkeys, lions, Ants and even snails to start worshipping him because they " draw Oxygen, drink His water, till His ground, build houses on His planet"

You ungrateful, irreverent (I don't even know what to call you)!

Why don't you try making your planet, and draft your original design of a universe that will not copy His style, set up your sustenance and let's see if you will be alive to even taste of anything.
Or even try creating yourself in the first place!



Don't you think you deserve the title of a fool right now?

Very stupid question. Shows you are a functional illiterate.

Smart guys like Mark Zuckerberg say they are questioning, because they want to open the door for knowledge, but not so smart people like you think you have anything going on in a brain given to you!

What a shame.

What makes it smart for Mark Zukerburg to question things because he want to open the door for knowledge but stupid for me to question things to open the door for ignorance? Religion induced Inferiority complex

Differentiate:
But you're thanking the God you don't believe in . swears you guys are comedian

And who do you suggest we should thank from freeing our minds from captivity?

Saintmary:
Hahahahahahahahhahahaha

The fact that you're avoiding Him means you unwittingly attest to His existence and that He's still alive.

I avoid all folk tale characters, Persus, Thor, jesus, Achilles, Gilgamesh, etc. That does not mean I acknowledge their existence.

You can't avoid a dead person.

You can avoid delusions and schizophrenia.

I hope you have prepared your essay towards the day you will no longer have any place to hide from Him.

Thanks.

And you think threats is the last desperate weapon you can use against atheists to force them to accept your delusions?

Newton85:
You mean that Jesus dude was allegedly nailed to a cross like a common criminal is also your God? Wonders shall never end!

That's a new perspective. A man who could not survive flogging and 3 nails automatically transformed into a superman after he bleed to death and now can can you from a bullet.

Saintmary:
You want to meet Him?

Eyah, I wonder why He would avoid you.

He avoids me or its me that avoids him?
You meet a Jewish rabbi that was supposedly killed 2000years ago, but was claimed to have risen and taken up to the sky?
Grand delusion bordering on schizophrenia.

CSTRR:
Nigeria is a ripe ground for atheism.

So much wickedness in the midst of so much religion.

Atheism is a natural response.

Believe me, it's religion that is creating and fuelling the wickedness. A religion that priorises materislism over love and compassion is bound to fuel wickedness. I am get to see an atheist involved in kidnapping, ritual murder and official stealing. I am get to see an atheist in prison for crimes.

Realtalk20:
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You typed alot for someone who claims I was wrong
.guy na hunger dey cause this your so called atheism

Irony. What promise did atheism make? Is not not modern day Christianity that promises you life of riches and problem free life if you just give your life to Jesus (represented by pastors). You are asked not only to give your life but money, time and mind to your pastors for promises of prosperity.

lebuhsi:
When you come to realise the scale of the Universe and the vastness of it's possibility.

Then you'll finally realise go stupid the concept of religion is

Imagine, the God that created the infinite universe whereby our solar system is like a speck of dust in a desert is a oyinbo man with a Jewish son. He sent son to be earth to be killed by Jews so his blood could be spilt to assuage his anger.

Loveurneighbour:
Lies!! You did not see those caught with human heads like the (Babalawos, Pastors, and Alfas) in the Hell?
Anyway some brainwashed people will still believe this trash

Imagine, he did not see Fulani Herdsmen, he did not see Boko Haram, not even Abacha. It's unborn babies that dominate he'll.

suffering:
No facts, no cross-checked figures, only assumptions. Nairaland is trash.

Do Nigeria have any facts and figures? Do we even know how many we are? Every statistic in Nigeria are assumptions?

mamdanju:
It is not a surprise, many christians will turn to atheists or Islam by the end of the next 2 decades. It already happening in most of the advance world. The doctrine of Christianity does not tick the boxes when it comes to addressing modern challenges. The reason for growing discontent among several adherents. The church has become a huge business conglomerate rather than the house of God. It is not difficult to see through the deception of the men in cloaks. Today Christianity does not stand for anything. You can be gay, alcoholic, ritualist, rapist, con artist, adulterer and still be a pastor. The day people begin to think straight, they leave Christianity.

The problem of Christianity is not gayism alcoholism, ritualist, rapist, con artists, adultery, believe me Islam has as much if not more gays, alcoholics, ritualists, rapists, con artists, adulterers ( they hide it better). The problem is that Christianity has lost any form of spiritualism and are now only concerned with materialism, which is very destructive to society in the long run

Juoflife1:
I stopped going to church years back, but I am not an atheist. I believe in God. I listen and dance to gospel songs. I just don't go to church. This is what most people do now, and it is not being atheist.

According to my friend Mr Olaagegbu, that's the first step on the journey to atheism.

Gmajor:
Na you go first throw insult around, na you go also claim to be religious.
If what you wrote is true, how do you justify that countries that have better standard of living have more atheists?

Not just other countries, even in Nigeria atheists and the religious moderates have a better standard of living than the religious fundamentalist. The poorest people are the most religious.

FlipModeSquade:
The average Nigerian is hungry and superstitious..

The average Nigerian becomes religious for selfish reasons and not because of love of God or humanity. They are given fantastic and attractive promises by scam artists in the guise of pastors.

Namnam:
The atheists of Nigeria are 900 thousand people currently and growing especially as more Nigerians move to the cities and as public security starts cracking down more and more on jihadism and fundamentalist Islam as time passes means Nigeria is gonna become increasingly secular as time passes. Thoughts on this trend?

Believe me they are more atheists than that. There are many closet atheists who are afraid of reactions from family and the society should they come out of the closet. In the north atheism is considered a capital sin and anyone who declare he no longer believes in Allah is killed. In the Christian south declaring atheism is tantamount to declaring for Satan or evil and you are immediately ostracized if not persecuted.

I have met quite a few people who tells me Christianity is all a charade and have felt happiness and peace since they stopped believing.

OloshoMan:
You mean God punishes aborted babies who literally did nothing to deserve their punishment and buhari still roams about freely.

Even if I later discover that God is real, I'm still not worshipping a God I know that I'm kinder than


Thank God I'm an Atheist

Thank God also I am an atheist. Been one for over 30 years. There is no greater freedom from being free from mental slavery imposed by colonialists. No greater freedom than being free from psychological manipulations by scam artists in the guise of men of God. No greater peace than freedom to express love to to all humanity no matter the religion, beliefs race, or differences. Religion is all about hate - it gives you reasons to hate others.

Kobojunkie:
Abegi, spare me your meaningless ramblings o'jare!

**** yawn****

As i said you are in an hypnotic coma. Continue yawning.

Kobojunkie:
How far have you come to achieving this?

If you hate white man's education, why not obtain your own knowledge some other way?

Or are you just another black man looking for who to blame for his foolish choices in this here life of his?

He is finally waking up from induced coma. He has realized the spiritual damage done to his psyche by slavery and colonisation . You on the other hand is still in the matrix. You are prepared to fight and die for a world created by your enslavers. You are ready to sell and kill your brothers to please your masters. You are in a trance you cannot escape from.

Of what use is the white man's education to you and your society? To continue to make you a slave and an asset to your enslavers of course. Of what use is all your grammar and certificates? A Chinese, Japanese or German who cannot utter a word in German is far more useful than you. What have you or your society created with your education that is useful to the world? Ordinary steel or electricity for industrialization you cannot produce. All you are useful for is act as consumers for product and services made by others.

2elliot:
As I said earlier, for bants sake, we can talk and joke about stuffs, but not believe in the true God is a grave mistake. I am a big time sinner, but considering the stuffs I know, it is a grave mistake to being in the wrong side of God.

There is no true God. Every God is a true God to someone. You think your adopted God is the one true God because the people that brought that God to your were more powerful than you (your ancestors), you it is natural to think their God is more powerful than your own and thus adopt it.

richysam:
obsessed? Hmmmm. Whether u like it or not, ignorant or knowledgeable. Fact remain fact whether spiritual or physical.
FYI I'm not trying to discourage you or anybody with the habit. After all you own your life( or so you think)

I own my life ( not what I think). I have my habits, you have yours. I might not agree with your habits and you might not agree with mine, that's alright.
I am just confused why it's always sex on you guys mind. You don't care if I eat healthy or eat at all, you don't advise me to stop eating excess sugar, salt, unsaturated fat,caffeine or other harmful substances. All you care about people personal lives are issues related to sex

richysam:
can you masturbate without an imagination, mental image or to a picture or video fuelling the course(passion) of that masturbation?.

You guys are too obsessed with other people's sex lives. If you don't want to masturbate, don't. What's your business with what other people choose to do with their own sex organs. Whether cucumber, banana or sex doll, it's non of your business.

2elliot:
It's like a robot complaining that it's creator is too wicked for destroying him because its software continually gets corrupted and stopped working. You are nothing more than the usefulness of a robot to its manufacturer, its survival will only depend on the patience of the creator to see that it works. Even though robots could talk and express some sort of intelligence, it is not more importance than its creators decisions. Like robots, humans are not important than Gods desires.

That's the same excuse ISIS uses in beheading unbelievers. They claim God instructed them to kill unbelievers because they are not useful to their manufacturer (God).

Very dangerous and stupid doctrine.

I see you as a potential terrorist.

henrybangs44:
I'm with you 100%. I'm a Christian, but that concept of God burning people forever is too stupiid for me to accept. It's a stupiid theory. What kind of loving God would that be? Even as earthly people with our wickedness we try to give humane execution to people that deserve to die, talk more of parents punishing thier children. Now they say God will burn people forever as punishment for taking weed or for sex or alcohol. That's too dumb

The concept of Hell was borrowed from the Greek Tartarus. Tartarus was the worse part of the underworld where sinners go to suffer. Hell is not present in Judaism. It's strictly a Greco-Roman-Christian belief.