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James289:
Technically, the man decides the sex of the baby... not the woman. You can only contribute an X since you are XX and the man's sperm contributed either an X or a Y - thus deciding the sex.
So, he wasn't able to give himself what he wanted, lol - no reason for you to feel guilty.

Not exactly correct, except you are insinuating some men carry XX chromosomes in their sperm.. The man donates both XX and XY, it sometimes depends on which is more favoured by the condition of the woman's reproductive organs at the time of conception. Other factors like acidity or alkalinity of the reproductive tracts and timing of sex within the menstrual cycle affects sex of the baby

A woman’s monthly bodily cycle includes alternating pH levels (acidic and alkaline) within her reproductive tract.

The changes in the pH environment within is now thought to affect baby’s gender. Experts say that alkaline in the follicular fluid will favour Y sperm (conceive a boy) while acidic in the follicular fluid gives preference to the X sperm (conceive a girl).
https://www.bountyparents.com.au/expert-advice/gender-selection-influence-sex-baby/

I personally believe sometimes it's hereditary. In some families, giving birth predominantly to one sex runs within the family for generations.

Rossippi:
Thanks bro. I just don't get the audacity some people have to come online and claim to know where you must come from based on your political views.

Because they base their own views solely on their ethnic loyalties rather than common sense, logic, and reasoning, they think everybody is like them. It's just so ignorant and primitive.

If you do not believe in Biafra or secession, then you must be not be an Igbo.

Which poll did these illiterates conduct showing that every Igbo person supports secession?

Can you imagine their effrontery?

Fascists pretending to be freedom fighters.

Can you imagine any of these ones in power in a 'Biafra'?

Won't they just kill anybody who doesn't meet their definition of who a Biafran or Igbo person is?

May their type NEVER EVER achieve any type of power in Igboland.

Amen.

Biafra would be an absolute dictatorship country worse than North Korea.

My very good friend was jisting me on how in a bar they were discussing Biafra and Kanu with his friends. When he said he does not support Biafra or kanu, some hefty men who overheard his conversation came up to him and told him to repeat what he said. Fearing for his life, he told them up Biafra, up kanu, and they went back to their seats. He said he got up and left the place without finishing his drinks.

You can see their attitude by the amount of venom the pour on anyone who refuses to worship kanu here on nairaland.

gidgiddy:
Really?

An agreement that made the centre weak and the federating units strong?

Why have a centre at all if the federating units are stronger? What stops a strong federating units from seceding? What's stops the strongest federating units from dominating others economically or militarily?

A country consisting of strong federating units with weak centre had never worked. It will look like Kingslanding and the Seven kingdoms of the game of thrones.

All super powers and most successful kingdoms in history had very strong centre, ie Babylon, Greece, Egypt, Rome, China and even modern day USA.

An agreement that ensured that no Region could hijack the centre and use it to dominate or marginalised others?

If the simple agreement could achieve all these, why did the independence agreement and constitution break down? Why did the regions lose their powers after the first and second coups?

An agreement that ensured resource control and the revenue sharing formular agreed at independence was in place?

An agreement that would leave the newly found oil fields at the hands of Ojukwu and the Igbos. It would have made Ojukwu and the Igbos the richest in the world.

It was all about oil.

As opposed to Gowons decree 14 which:

Created 12 states, giving his own Region 6 of them

Which took away the right of the people to control their resources

That reversed fiscal policy to make sure that Gowons Northern Region recieved the Lion share of revenue allocation due having 6 states and the other 3 Regons having 6?


I laugh in Chinese

Yes, the military messed up the sharing formula. Successive civilian administration has been trying to correct the anomaly. But to have 100% resource control in terms of mineral resources by any Region in Africa is impractical. We are getting there slowly, it's now 13% derivation. We the Niger delta would be satisfied with 25%. That's what the real owners of the crude are gunning for, not those eyeing our oil.

Communities (and even countries) in other African countries with huge resources have no control whatsoever of their mineral resources. Congo where most of the rare earth minerals are Mined or Sierra Leone with lots of diamonds have no control of their resources.

joeyfire:
So is Gowon's states model working?

It's not about regionalism or states, it's more about how resources are created, controlled, shared and utilised. Of course the federating units, whether regions or states are too many and are largely unviable, we have to find the most ultimal configuration considering the number of tribes in Nigeria.

Keep in mind that it was not Gowon that created the 36 states structure. It was subsequent military administrations that use state creation bribes for political support. Agitation for more states started right after independence till today. Most tribes and sub tribes in Nigeria are clamouring for their own states.

GMbuharii:
Shut up,Unity begger,thank you

An Igbo calling a riverine Niger deltan unity begger, isn't that an irony? Who unified Nigeria? Who shouted one Nigeria at independence? Which tribe is found in every hamlet in Nigeria? Which tribe has been shouting SS and SE are one?

gidgiddy:
No matter who conducted the coup, whether Gowon or Danjuma, it wouldn't have been possible to kill Ojukwu because Ojukwu was in the East. The coup that brought Gowon to power only happened in the North, the West and in Lagos. There were just about 800 Nothern troops in the whole of the East and that was just too small a number surrounded by millions of Igbos.

That's why I said that as long as Ojukwu refused to take command from Gowon, war was inevitable. There was no coup in mid west, yet Lt. Col. David Ejoor accepted Gowon as commander in chief.

I dont know why people keep defending Gowon for signing an agreement and failing to keep it. How is this Ojukwus fault?

If Gowon felt that the Aburi agreement he signed was not tenable, what he should have done is to seek another meeting with parties involved and renegotiate.

People pull out of agreements all the time, especially if the person feels he did not have all the relevant information during the signing of the agreement or the agreement is no longer in their interest. People sign cease fire agreements and break it the next day.

If Gowon tried to force the agreement on civil servants and the military, which rejected the agreement, I am sure he would have been overthrown.

But what Gowon did was absolute lunacy. To abolish all 4 Regions, create 12 unitary states, strip them of their resources, change the revenue sharing formular

Ironsi had already unified the whole country, Gowon had little to do to further divide it.

The creation of 12 states was a strategy to weaken Ojukwu. He divided Ojukwu's territory into three and appointed new governors to the remaining 2. Ojukwu had control of only one of the 3 states. Gowon was taking advantage of the grievances of the minorities in the former easterner region had with the igbos.
Ganduje is trying to use the same strategy to curtain the influence of Emir Sanusi, by dividing the Kano Emirate council into 4.

This is not a man who wanted peace, this was a man who wanted Northern domination of Nigeria.

What do you mean northern domination? Gowon was from a minority tribes in Plateau. Gowon was fighting for power as done by all humans since the dawn of history.

moshmusth:
I believe a Major road should be named Aburi.. to honor the historic meeting as a student of politics and history lots have been read on aburi.

Aburi was the most useless agreement in the history of mankind, if it was presented again today, it will be rejected by Nigerians, except IPOB and some illiterate youths.

Aburi Accord that put all executive powers in the hands of a few military officers, who had absolute powers over their regions. The politicians and the people would be serving the military.

gidgiddy:
This is absolute nonsense and an attempt to defend the indefensible. Gowon signed an agreement in Ghana. If Gowon did not know the import of what he was signing, it is hardly Ojukwus fault. If Gowon, returned to Nigeria and be was advised against honouring the agreement he signed, what he should have done is call Ojukwu to amend parts of the agreement he did not like.

Your guys employ emotions rather than tact and intelligence when dealing with political issues. Gowon would have removed Ojukwu once the coup succeeded and prepare to face Ojukwu loyalists in a war to remove him. That's why during and after coups, hostile officers were often murdered to prevent any resistance. Ojukwu, Gowon, Obasanjo, Danjuma were friends before the January 1966 coup and the murder of their colleagues was still fresh in his mind. Gowon did not want further bloodshed among friends. If it was Danjuma that headed the coup, he would have killed Ojukwu and other officers that oppose him. I am sure Nzeogwu and others killed officers they knew would oppose them.

Gowon hurriedly signed the Aburi Accord without understanding the implications. Both of them were locked in a room without any aids to iron out their differences as friends and colleagues. Ojukwu managed to convince Gowon to sign the accord.

When Gowon returned to Nigeria, there was so much opposition to the Accord not only from the military, but also from the civil service and even other regions. He held a meeting in Benin with

Along with others, he attended the Aburi meeting held at the Peduase Lodge where the conflict of Nigeria was discussed between January 4 and January 5, 1967. Aburi is a town in Ghana and a 45-minute drive from Accra, the capital of Ghana.

Those who attended the meeting were Lt. Col. Yakubu Gowon, Col. Robert Adebayo, Lt. Col. Chukwuemeka Odumegwu-Ojukwu, Lt. Col. David Ejoor, Lt. Col. David Hassan Katsina, Commodore J.E.A. Wey, Major Mobolaji Johnson, Alhaji Kam Selem and Mr. J. Omo-Bare. Others were Prince S.I.A. Akenzua (Permanent Under-Secretary, Federal Cabinet Office.), Mr. P.T. Odumosu (Secretary to the Military Government, West.), Mr. N.U. Akpan (Secretary to the Military Government, East.), Mr. D.P. Lawani (Under-Secretary, Military Governor’s Office, Mid-West) and Alhaji Ali Akilu (Secretary to the Military Government, North.) The Chairman of the Ghana National Liberation Council, Lt. Gen. J.A. Ankrah, declared the meeting open in his capacity as then the head of state of Ghana.

The decisions at Aburi amounted to, in terms of political and military control of Nigeria, that the country should be governed as a confederation.

Suffice it to say that the vocal military officers like Lt. Col. Murtala Muhammed, Major Martin Adamu and Major Theophilus Yakubu Danjuma did not attend the Aburi meeting. Prince Akenzua along with top permanent secretaries including Alhaji Yusuf Gobir, Phillip Asiodu, Eme Ebong, B.N. Okagbue and Allison Ayida deconstructed in Lagos, all that was agreed in Aburi.


On arrival in Lagos, Prince Akenzua discussed with Gowon and raised objections to what was agreed in Aburi. Gowon asked him to raise a memo which he did. I am sure a copy of the memo is with Gowon today while a copy is in the archives in the Presidency. Civil servants are to be seen and not to be heard and that is why Akenzua never released a copy of the memo to the world.

The memo dated January 8, 1967 began with: “Your Excellency, in view of my discussion with you last night, I am raising this memo in the interest our fatherland, Nigeria”. Akenzua traced the long hard road that Nigeria had travelled and stressed on the need to keep a United Nigeria.

He said in the memo that Gowon had given too much away in Aburi and that it would lead to the destruction of the country. He further added that Gowon had “legalised” total regionalism which “will make the centre very weak.” Akenzua alluded in his memo that a weak centre would lead to confederation and total disintegration of the country. It was the memo that prompted Gowon to summon a meeting of the secretaries to the military governments and other officials which was held in Benin City between February 16 and 18, 1967. If you look at the minutes of the Benin meeting presided over by Mr. H. A. Ejueyitchie, Secretary to the Federal Military Government, you will discover that it was a total rejection of what was agreed upon in Aburi. The Benin meeting interpreted in its own way the agreement reached in Aburi.
Read more details here - https://www.nairaland.com/3143222/biafra-memo-oba-akenzua-aburi

You guys made it look as if Gowon just decided to reject the Aburi Accord because he was a dictator. This if far from the truth. He was trying to carry everyone alone. Even two senior cabinet members from the former east rejected the Aburi Accord.
If he was a power drunk dictator, he would not have attended Aburi in the first place. He conceded to popular concensus by civil servants and his military colleagues.

jerseyboy:
Let's go back to Aburi

You mean we should give all executive powers back to military officers and decentralise the military command structure?

solmus:
National Assembly Galerry should be a Public Place with just little retriction and secuirity checks

Imagine;

The Senate President, Ahmad Lawan, on Tuesday, raised security alarm that the National Assembly is under invasion by “many unknown and uninvited people ”. Lawan raised the alarm at an emergency meeting the leadership of the Senate had with top security officials in Abuja.

from a national assembly that is supposed to be a representation of the common people. We are not talking about the senate and house chambers where business of law making is done, but the national assembly complex.

It's only in Nigeria and Africa that political office holders isolate themselves from those the purport to represent. In Europe even the president or prime minister enters public transport and mingle with the people.

gidgiddy:
Why do you think Gowon met Ojukwu in Ghana if he could just fire Ojukwu and replace him with a loyalist? He couldn't because nobody would have listened to him in the East. Regionalism seriously curtails the powers of an executive President. During Ironsi's tenure, the North did not really recognise Ironsi as head of state. But there was one thing Ironsi had which Gowon did not have, he had seniority.

Believe me Gowon would have replaced Ojukwu and the worst that would have happened was Ojukwu declare secession immediately and the civil war would have started earlier. Gowon was a gentleman who wanted to avoid war at all costs. Gowon went to Ghana to try to avoid war. He gave unreasonable concessions in Ghana to avoid war. It was when he got to Nigeria that the civil service by led prince Akenzua (future Oba of Benin) wrote a memo to Gowon to reject the Aburi Accord, because it would lead to crisis in the future. Also remember that TY Danjuma and Murtala did not attend the Aburi meeting, meaning they rejected the whole accord.

Regionalism in a multi ethnic, cultural and religious society like Nigeria would not work. It will lead to perpetual conflict within and without the regions or confederation. Many such societies had tried it in the past with disastrous consequences. Political struggles within the military and political elite would lead to anarchy.

Rossippi:
Thanks for this response. I was also about to tell him that it was Ojukwu, the military governor, who refused to recognise Gowon, not the Eastern region. The conflict partly arose from this personality clash between Ojukwu and Gowon, in which Ojukwu did not believe Gowon should be head of state.

We often forget that these were just young guys in their early 30s, not sufficiently mature to take on the huge leadership responsibilities they assumed.

You just summarised what the whole conflict was about, a personality and ego clash between Ojukwu and Gowon against a back drop of the confusion arising from the 2 coups.

gidgiddy:
Thats not how things worked in Regional times. Back then, the Regions were even more powerful than the central government. Gowon had become military ruler but the Eastern Region did not recognize him as head of state.

What people dont seem to understand is that the Regionalism practiced then made it impossible for any Region or even the federal government, from dominating another Region. The reason is that the Regions were large and they practiced fiscal federalism. In other words, the regions had resource control and payed for the federal government to exist. Unlike what obtains now that the Federal government control everything and pay for states to exist.


Another problem Gowon had was that, of the 4 Regional military Governors of the time, Adebayo, Ejoor, Ojukwu and Katsina, only Katsina was junior to Gowon. The other 3 were senior to Gowon.

Gowon had become head of state and the Eastern Region did not recognize him and there nothing he could do about it. So Gowon had bo choice but meet Ojukwu in Ghana, or carry on being unrecognised by the Eastern Region

Thats why Gowon and his Northern cohorts had to remove Regionalism and fiscal federalism, they both stood in the way of the North talking over Nigeria

So on the 27th of May 1967, Gowon issued decree 14 which abolished the 4 Regions, replaced them with 12 unitary states, alloted 6 of those states to the North, siezed all resources so that it was now the federal government paying the states.

Ojukwu and the Eastern Region were not about to sit down and be enslaved in such a blatant way so Ojukwu declared the independence of the Eastern Region 3 days later and the rest is history

Its just human nature that people will fight subjugation

What do you mean by Eastern Region did not recognize Gowon as head of state? Who was the eastern region that did not recognise Gowon as head of State? If the eastern region recognised General Ironsi as head of State, how come they did not recognise Gowon as head of State? You should have said Lt.Col Ojukwu did not recognise Gowon as his commander in chief. So who did the east recognise as the head of State? -Ojukwu? In all successful coups the leader automatically becomes the head of state. Sergeants have become head of state after a successful could. Any officer that refuses to recognise the new head of state is mandated to retire.

Who appointed the 4 Regional governors? The former head of state of course. What happens if Gowon removes and reappoint the 4 Regional governors. Except you tell me that the 4 Regional governors are independent of the command structure of the army and they are already independent.

The January 1966 coup and July counter coup really messed things up. The aftermath and the war itself was just political struggles between senior officers of the military. The civilians including politicians were held hostage by the military. Even the so called Aburi Accord was power sharing agreement between the military. The politicians were practically left out.

DMerciful:
It is about the restoration of Biafra and not the creation of an Igbo country but if push comes to shove, the Igbos would go it alone including we Igbos in South South, Benue, kogi

This your Biafra is the most conflicting and confusing concept in the whole of humanity. You guys created a Biafra and fought a war for it because igbos were being killed in the north, but you insist it's not an Igbo agenda.

Igbos alleged marginalisation in Nigeria especially national politics, and so want out of Nigeria. But wants the ijaws, who are at a better political advantage and resource sharing advantage to go with them.

The igbos are angry at Nigeria but want to co-opt other tribes who are not so angry.

litaninja:
For everyone on here laughing their heads off about the combat gear, you need to realize that the westerners have really done a good job of replacing what you've always had with what they think you should have. It is high time we go back to embracing whats indigenous to us as africans and nigerians.
Here is a picture of jungle combat gear from western regions, compare with what the combatant from Ekiti is wearing.
Do you think he doesn't know what he's doing when he put on that combat gear
Think guys...think.

Don't mind them, they want to talk, eat, walk and look like a white man. No wonder many bleach their skins to resemble the white man, forgetting that Melanin is a gift to the black man.
Black Africans are the only people I know that hate hate their looks, culture and religion.

NothingDoMe:
All good except the one of not being able to sue them for activities carried out on duty. That one nor make sense.

Who no like immunity. Anyway, any immunity from prosecution granted them is against the constitution. The constitution clearly spelt out those it gave immunity.

Mizwisdom:
Lord have mercy, is this what Yorubas are fighting for? if you're a Christian and you support this, go for deliverance

Christianity has eaten into the brains some people. So Christianity says if your people are being killed, you should not organize to defend yourself and your people. OK go and attack Israel and see if they would need deliverance not to respond.

niyisky:
This joke is becoming stale... I taught Kayode Fayemi is an intelligent man? This commander nah owanbe Ankara him wear so

They had better come up with something better

You are the joke here. Every society has its combat gear, from the Greeks to the Romans to the vikings to the zulu. The white man's compact attire is not the only compact attire ever worn in the world.

Learn to be proud of your culture, a people that hate their tradition and culture to adopt those of the conquerors are forever a defeated people.

usoroh4luv:
yes, true. These churches can help one restart one's life.

Yes, but not churches that would get you addicted to another type of gamble - tithes and offering for prosperity and riches.

gidgiddy:
Article 1 and article 20(1) of the UN and AU charters allows all people the right to agitate for self determination. Nigeria is a signatory to both laws. Anybody has the right to ask for independence from another. What right do you think Zik and others had to ask for independence from Britain that created Nigeria? It was their right of self determination as indigenous people of the land. Kanu, IPOB and Igbos have the same right to ask for independence from Nigeria. There is nothing Kanu is doing now that Zik and other nationalists did not do when they started the struggle for Nigerian independence. They took to the streets, protested and hurled abuse at the colonial authorities. Zik regularly carpeted Britain in his Newspaper called The Pilot.

The Aburi Accord was signed by both Gowon and Ojukwu. That agreement virtually made Nigeria a confederation of 4 Regions. Gowon broke that agreement with Decree 14 where he abolished the 4 Regions and replaced them with 12 states so as to make centre strong, weaken the federating units so that him and his fellow Northerners could be the masters of Nigeria. Ojukwu and his people were not about to take that laying down. Thats what brought about the war. How can anyone say that Gowon is a hero over a war he caused with decree 14? If Gowon felt that the agreement he sighed with Ojukwu was no longer tenable, the proper thing to do was to seek another renegotiation.

The international community still lists Gowon alongside Idi Amin of Uganda and Mengitsu Haile of Ethiopia as the biggest genocidists to come out of Africa

ARTCLE 1 OF UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS ;
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

ARTCLE 20 OF UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS ;
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
(2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.
https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

Please explain how you guys interprete these to articles to mean, it allows or encourages for secession of groups from member states.

The Aburi Accord created 4 different militaries and 4 different civil services. That's a recipe for disaster. Ojukwu would not have been subject to the control or command of Gowon, which was was what he quarreled with in the first place. Please read the articles of the Aburi Accord.

No matter how many times you guys tell the lie that it was Gowon that destroyed the reason, it can never become the truth. Decree 34 of 1966 called the unification decree destroyed the regions and substitute them for states. Nigeria moved from 4 Regions to 4 states, and Gowon moved from it from 4 states to 12 states.

XANDERBOY85:
Rubbish! It’s not as if you nasty bigots would be falling over yourselves to vote for him in 2023 if he decides to contest! The one he contested in 2019 without going to any ‘forbidden burial ceremony’, didn’t you declare Atiku guilty-by-association for picking a ‘nyamuree/okoro’ as his running mate?

Even though he declared Atiku guilty-by-association for picking a ‘nyamuree/okoro, didn't the association yield over 40% of votes in South West and a substantial number of votes in the north? I would have even speculated that the association won the elections if not for wuru wuru by inec. This was an association that was created by Obasanjo - a Yoruba man.

If Obi identities with secession (which is his right), he has no business contesting for Vice President.

Another issue is since kanu based his struggle on hatred of Hausa Fulanis and Yorubas, it would be unreasonable to expect the Yorubas and Hausa Fulanis to vote for a man that supports Kanu.

jimyjames:
If Nigeria could tackle Ebola they can handle coronavirus too

First we were lucky with ebola virus, Dr. Adadavoh practically martyred herself to save Nigeria. The first carrier was quickly identified and quarantine.
Secondly, the Lagos State government took prompt action and quickly set up a quarantine centre at yaba. The the FG also supported the Lagos State effort

Thirdly Ebola is not as contagious as coronavirus, while ebola is contacted with contact, coronavirus is airborne. Imagine one infected person in a church or mosque. Coronavirus virus speeds like wild fire.

jimyjames:
Did they tell you they are infected with the virus ?

How do you know non is infected with the virus? Did anyone tell you that the millions of people told to stay indoors for a couple of weeks are infected with the virus?

Nigeria that did or does still not have reagents to test for the virus, Nigeria that does not have quarantine facilities for the virus and you want to bring suspected carriers or infected people home. You want to remove them from a country with first class facilities to a country with zero facilities
Is your brains paining you

gidgiddy:
You are incredibly naive. The Nigerian Army has been fighting war with Boko Haram for almost 10 years. The Nigerian government keeps telling you that Boko haram has been defeated but the same Boko haram are killing people daily including Nigerian Soldiers. Thats because Boko haram is no longer fighting conventional warfare but guerilla warfare

You cannot compare boko haram with the Biafran conflict. Boko Haram is a well funded and armed group. Boko Haram is international in nature getting support and logistics from numerous countries and sources. They are active in many countries in West Africa. All these advantages the Biafrans did/don't have.

As you said Boko haram is not fighting a conventional war but a guerilla one. Such unconventional war is extremely difficult to win. Even the Almighty USA has not been able to defeat the Taliban after close to 20 years of war.

The Nigerian government didn't actually defeat Biafra, it was Biafra that chose to end the war. My father was a Biafran officer and he told me that there were thousands of armed Biafran Soldiers who were determined to carry on with the war, even if guerilla style. The only reason they decided to stop fighting is because Ojukwus trusted deputy, General Philip Effiong, asked them to give peace a chance. Even as at that, most them still held to their guns for days, even weeks, to know if there was going to be a massacre

Your dad lied to you. The Biafrans had completely run out of food and ammunition. Ojukwu has lost most of his territory and the federal troops were closing up on him. Each day the war prolonged, thousands of Biafran children, women and population were dying of starvation. The pictures of children and even men with serious cases of malnutrition immediately after the war are all over the Internet. Prolonging the war further would have been considered genocide.

This narrative that Nigerian Soldiers had conquered the place and could do whatever they wanted wasn't true. Had those thousands of armed Biafran Soldiers chose to carry on guerilla style, the war might still be on now.

Guerilla style war in such a small space with high population density after losing a war against a bitter enemy? The soldiers would just shoot every thing that moves.

In the case of Ojukwu fighting a war, he didnt have much choice really. He had gone to Ghana, signed an agreement with Gowon so that there would be no war, Gowon broke the agreement. It was either submit to the will of Gowon and his Northern cohorts or fight for freedom. Freedom is one of the few things in life worth fighting for and Ojukwu and his people have no apologies for doing so

The aburi according was hand Ojukwu secession through the back door, it would never have worked. It would have made things difficult for other regions that did not ask for secession.

Kanu and IPOB are seeking self determination, which enshrined in international law that Nigeria has signed up to. It is the right of self determination that people like Zik, Awolowo and others used in asking for independence from Britain for the indigenous people in Nigeria

Another lie by IPOB. There is no international law anywhere that allows for secession. What the international law allows is rights of Indigenous peoples . Rights of Indigenous people does not equate to secession.

It is the same right that Kanu and others are using to ask Nigeria for independence for indigenous Igbos of Nigeria. What is wrong in people asking for freedom and independence? May be Kanu's style of agitation may not be to everyone's liking but he has not taken up arms and he did not kill anybody.

Kanu has no right to ask anyone for independence. Kanu has no authority whatsoever to ask for anything, except you are telling me a mad man can shout from the streets or social media that freedom should be given to hemp smokers to do as they like, and have the support of hundreds of hemp smokers.
Nigeria's independence went through the political process. It went through paliament, was negotiated with the British and the regions had constitutional conferences. One man did not go into the streets insulting Britain and British people demanding for independence.

So what is the problem? Is by force to be a Nigerian?

No. You could renounce your Nigerian citizen if you wish, afterall kanu is a British citizen. If the igbos want out of Nigeria, they know what do do. They have many intelligent people.

gidgiddy:
You are very ignorant. How do you think Gowon won the war against Biafra? He achieved it with the massive support he got, in terms of of arms and ammunition, from super power nations such as Britain and Russia. He claimed he was fighting a war to keep Nigeria one. That was the only legitimacy he had.

Had Gowon gone on to commit genocide after the war ended, the legitimacy would have swung in favour of Ojukwu. The international community would have agreed that Ojukwu was actually fighting to safeguard his people and they would have come down hard on Gowon and Nigeria

Lets not forget that as at the time the War ended, there were still thousands of armed Biafran Soldiers in the bushes. The major reason why they chose to lay down their arms was that their wasnt mass killing of people like they thought.

Had a genocide occurred after the war ended, its most likely that the international community and the UN would have switched loyalty to Biafra and Nigeria would have been defeated

Gowon didnt do anyone any favours. Gowon is still listed as a genocidal killer in the international community. Gowon singlehandedly caused the civil war by going back on the Aburi agreement he signed with Ojukwu in Ghana

Gowon was no hero, he only fought for his fellow Northerners to have economic and political control of Nigeria

I know emotions would not allow you to reason property, but the OP is right. The outcome of the war could have been worse if Gowon did not intervene. Remember ordinary igbo civilians residing in the nirth were already being massacred by the northerners, imagine what northern soldiers would have done to helpless igbo civilians if Gowon was unable to rein them in.
You guys think too much of UK, UN, US and the international community. They are only after their interests. Genocide is going on right now in many parts of the world, ie Rohingya, Tibet, Uyghur, Palestine, etc., and the international community has looked on. If not for the Kurds, the Yazidis would have been wiped of the face of the earth by ISIS.

Gowon never wanted war, he only wanted power and to avenge the January 1966 murders. He saw the civil war as a fight between brothers and not a fight to the finish. If he had allowed a genocide against the igbos, it would have weighed heavily on the conscience of Nigeria and rendered the victory meaningless.

Remember in history, many other tribes had been exterminated after losing a war. Most south American tribes were extinguished by the Spanish.

Chigold101:
Your rubbish has no part two.
So because of political ambition, he should abandon his people?
Brotherly, if building bridges meant hidding the fence, then that's imbecility.
Obi did perfectly well to attend the burial.
Did you know what Obi just did.
He has gotten the heart of IPOB, any candidate he supports in coming elections in South East in the future... Has a 60% chances of winning

The same political naivety. It's through political power he can help his people. So not attending a 1 day funeral is equivalent abandoning his people?

How many politicians that IPOB has supported that has won any elections in the south east, not to talk of Peter obi.

obailala:
I agree with the OP. Obi is already loved in the east, he needs to focus more on winning other regions. If Obi gets the ticket to run in 2023, whether he attended this burial or not, he would still get full and undiluted support from Igbos and all IPOB members. Attending the burial has only given room for unnecessary campaign of calumny against him by other regions in future elections. For political expediency, he could have still aligned with ipob without physically being present on the front seat.

This is why I say that the igbos still have huge lessons to learn in the game of politics. They play politics with emotions instead of high strategy game. They think politics is ludo instead of chess.
If Obi still wants to play national politics, he should have avoided IPOB related activities. He could have supported them underground but not openly. IPOB has declared other tribes their arch enemy, especially the Yorubas and Hausa Fulanis. These are the same tribes you need to get any national elective position in Nigeria. How does Obi expect Yorubas and Hausa Fulanis to support his Vice presidential ambitions in 2023?
Atiku has a high chance of clinching the president after Buhari's tenure expires, and he has already built a working relationship with Obi. I would wait to see if Atiku (a fulani man) would still present Obi as his Vice in the next elections. Remember Obi was given to Atiku by a Yoruba man - Obasanjo.

It would have made sense if ipob was already a political force in the south east, and their support in essential for wining elections, but IPOB has zero political value in the south east.

luluosas:
My dear friend, there is no threat of hell fire in my post, but a simple truth and reality. Hell fire is the eternal abode of all sinners, whether you believed, accept or not. God bless you

False belief. Eternal hell fire is a concept introduced by the Greeks in the form of hades. The Romans changed hades to Pluto. And the Christian writers decided to incorporate the concept into their new religion.

Judaism has no concept. Moses never mention hell or hell fire in the Pentateuch.

luluosas:
It is high time to construct human barriers on this bridge and others, at least to lessen the number of foolish people taking to suicide daily.

If only he understood the punishment that awaited his foolish actions in the hereafter, which is incomparable to any suffering here on earth, he would have endured.

Anyway, he is lost, and lost to hell fire forever

That threat of hell fire doesn't work anymore. People don't generally fear the threat, else we would not one of the most corrupt people on earth, even though 95% of the people are either Christian or Muslim.

Sewgon79:
Why human being so heartless, even though if he was a stupid man, you think him jumping into 3rd Mainland bridge lagoon will solve your heartless problem.

We are even lucky he killed only himself, other places they kill many others before killing himself. In Thailand last week a soldier killed 21 people and injured dozens more before being shot. It's a kind of suicide because he knew he would be killed and wanted to kill as many people before being killed.

Eteka1:
Keep on being a fool. You think everything in life is about APC/PDP? Someone has his personal problems and decided to commit suicide and all you can think of is Daura.

That guy may be caught in the middle of a deal gone wrong and he feels he has no way to escape the consequences, he may also have emotional stress or something.

The Daura man has obviously become omnipotent and omnipresent (God) to you.

Don't mind people that have Obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD). They have the urge and obsession to call and think Daura every waking moment of their life, they then turn round and blame Daura for every thing wrong with their lives. If it's not Daura they are obsessed with, then it's Tinubu or Yoruba. It a huge burden to carry and it's self leads to depression and other mental illnesses. I wound be surprised if the people jumping into the lagoon are such people.

Suicide is usually as a result of depression. It knows no race, tribe, religion or class. In fact rich people has a higher tendency to commit suicide than poor people. Poor people cope with the hope and a prayer for a better tomorrow, rich people have no such coping mechanism.

jimyjames:
Are soldiers bigger than tradional rulers?

It depends on the class of traditional rulers. There are first class traditional rulers, there are second class traditional rulers, then there are chiefs.

If a first class traditional ruler dies, many felloe first class traditional rulers will grace the burial, but if a clan chief dies, many fellow clan chiefs would grace the burial.
Same way, if a general dies many fellow Generals will attend the burial.