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PoliticsRe: We Have Capable Hands To Work In Amotekun — Fulani Group by wirinet(m): 10:01pm On Jan 17, 2020
Igbo and Yoruba Christians are more than ready to work in Hisbah Police.
PoliticsRe: Charles Idahosa: Oshiomhole Wants To Be VP To A Northern Presidential Candidate by wirinet(m): 9:57pm On Jan 17, 2020
Hillsong34:
Nigeria is a nation, guided by Constitution. The Constitution of the federal republic of Nigeria does not, in anyway, permit a particular ethnic group to create tribal security outdit, especially when this is aimed at undermining the interest of other ethnic groups.It's no news that the new tribal security outfit created by the yorubas is targeted at the Fulani. You people are all over the North, doing your businesses without harassment but at the mention of Fulani, what comes to your dirty mind is genocide. We are in this country when yoruba people killed hundreds of cows through thunder and now, it's Ametoken This is a clear evidence that yoruba people will stop at nothing in mismanaging any opportunity given to them. To think that these are the same people being considered for 2023 presidency gives them out as a group of confused people. Will yoruba people be pioneering tribal and divisive organizations such as Amotekun and still expect to rule this country come 2023? Never!!!
Yes Nigeria is guided by the constitution, and that constitution only permit the Fulani north to create a security outfit, but bar others from creating their own security outfit, abi?

The hisbah Police don't go arresting other tribes and religions enjoying a cool bottle of beer in their private spaces, abi?

Yoruba people kill hundreds of cows, but fulani herdsmen killing thousands of humans along side destroying their farms.

To hell with the Yoruba presidency? Yorubas has never gotten a truly Yoruba president (Obasanjo was never a Yoruba candidate), and they survived. It's the Fulanis that need the presidency to survive.

How is Amotekun tribal and divisive but Hisbah is national and unifying? Abeg, explain.
PoliticsRe: Imo: PDP calls for reversal of verdict, resignation of CJN by wirinet(m): 9:45pm On Jan 17, 2020
Yusman316:
Why did they single out CJN Tanko, when he didn't even head the supreme court panel that sat on the case?
I honestly don't understand people's grouse with Tanko, when the decision was an unanimous decision of seven (7) supreme Court justices. So all the other supreme Court justices are exonerated?
PoliticsRe: Court Sacks Ifeanyi Ubah As Senator by wirinet(m):
JAWBONE:
I think it's time we disband INEC and create a new electoral body. How can an organization spend billions of naira to conduct elections only for the results to be rubbished later or is that the Supreme Court has being compromised and taken over by scoundrels. It is either the INEC boss is grossly incompetent and should be immediately fired or the Chief Justice Tanko Mohammed is a very corrupt fellow
I agree with you pertaining to INEC, but it's more has to do with the character of Nigerians and politicians itself, as long as people are desperate to cheat to get into office, the acronym of the electoral body matters very little, whether FEDECO, NEC, INEC or NECON.

As per Chief Justice Tanko Mohammed, the chief justice have very little influence on judgements. At best he can only preside over cases brought to the supreme Court. Judgements are based on majority votes by 7 or more supreme Court justices. So it is unreasonable to blame one supreme Court justice for judgements of 7 supreme Court justices.
Foreign AffairsRe: Iran Arrests Person Who Filmed Bombshell Footage Of Jet Downing by wirinet(m): 10:38am On Jan 17, 2020
Haddock:
They shot down the plane thinking it was filled with fleeing Americans as a way to take revenge for Gen. Soleimani's assassination. American civilians were actually leaving the Iran at that time.
If the government or the military wanted to kill Americans, you mean they cannot call for the planes manifest?

Besides 19 other flights took off and landed around the time of the attack on US base in Iraq, why we're any of them not shut down?
PoliticsRe: Nnamdi Kanu To Support Amotekun With 1 Million IPOB Men by wirinet(m): 6:47pm On Jan 16, 2020
Staro:
Oga, I'm not from South East but Nnamdi KANU can never be called a coward.

He is actually a brave leader who has continued to remain resolute to
his agenda.

He hasn't surrendered.
He hasn't abandoned the struggle nor the members of his group.

Relocating to a safer country to continue the struggle is not cowardice.
Or were you expecting him to remain in Nigeria for DSS to lock him up like they're doing to Zakzzaki?

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Although this is the very first time, I am supporting a stance by kanu, his running away was cowardly. Fela did not run away when Buhari was after him, tunde Idiagbon did not run away from IBB after his overthrow. He came from Saudi Arabia and be locked up, even after the Saudis offered him asylum. Most genuine freedom fighters fighting against despotic regimes either die fighting or remain locked up for a long time. Even the present leader of Myanmar was locked up for over a decade
Foreign AffairsRe: Iran Arrests Person Who Filmed Bombshell Footage Of Jet Downing by wirinet(m): 5:05pm On Jan 16, 2020
GreetMe:
Not only one missile... imagine TWO MISSILES! Una dey blind? For ur own soil kwa? Na so US shot down a plane in Iran years back killing 270 people!

Using people's lives to play politics! What will happen if the world bands the creation of weapons for peace?

If you have a problem with a nation, use other means not people's lives
They did not deliberately shoot down the plane. What's the political value of shooting down an Ukrainian airline plane conveying mostly Canadians and Iranians? It was error due to sheer incompetence. They should have shut down the airspace during the missile attack on the US base in Iraq, since their radar system cannot differentiate a plane from an incoming missile. The plane was heading back to the airport after taking off, probably due to some technical problem (there is a military base close to the airport). The military mistook the plane for an incoming missile and shot it down.
PoliticsRe: Why Supreme Court Sacked Ihedioha And Declared Uzodinma Winner In Imo by wirinet(m): 9:24pm On Jan 15, 2020
YelloweWest:
Is it Uzordima that should produce such evidence or inec? If one can present his own election results and win why didn't the sc declare Atiku? Because Atiku presented his own version on election results with electronic evidence to back up, while buhari simply asked the case to be struck out for lack of merit. Buhari never presented election results!
The law put the onus on proving electoral petitions on the petitioners, so how will the petitioners be able to prove their case without documents certified by relevant authorities? Each polling units has their forms. Same for wards, local and state collation centres. These forms are signed and given to all party agents. These forms can be presented as evidence in court if the final results given by INEC differs from the results at the polling units, wards or local government and state collation centres.

Buhari never presented results, so also Atiku did not present results from the polling units up to the state level. He relied on the INEC server, which was disowned by INEC. The court was forced to rely on physical results presented by INEC.
PoliticsRe: FG Declares Operation Amotekun Illegal by wirinet(m):
goshee:
for you information BSS was set up to curb invaders and address the security challenges in the south east but you people supported the motion that aborted BSS. If a court of law can tag an armless group who only seek self determination a terrorist group what makes you think they won't do so to Ametoku who they think will work against their interest if they so wish. it will only cost a phone call from Abba Kyari to Tanko Muhammed
BSS was set up by who? Did kanu have any authority or license to set up a security company before you even start talking of a public security service? The governors have authority as chief security officers of the state (in name only though ).

Many people including the FG do consider IPOB an armless group. Kanu had openly solicited for arms to fight against Nigeria. He had open your threatened Yorubas and hausas, security officers, the president and even other igbo leaders who disagree with their objectives. They openly and violently attacked Ekwerenmadu in Germany and threatened to attack others if they ventured outside Nigeria.
PoliticsRe: FG Declares Operation Amotekun Illegal by wirinet(m):
NaMeAboki:
Improve our security architecture and empower the law enforcement agencies with better equipment, training; more personnel and funding; and cooperation from local communities in terms providing necessary intelligence.
The security architecture as presently constituted cannot work. The Nigerian Police Force was a colonial hang over with the sole purpose of protecting the colonial administrators from sometimes hostile natives. They owe their allegiance to the colonial government.
The Nigerian Police force main pre occupation is to protect the government in power and their conniving elite.
There are murders on the streets everyday without the police caring to carry out investigations and finding the murders. If one government official or a big man is killed, the police will Fish fish out the culprits under 48 hours.

A federal police cannot be expected to enforce local or customary laws, it just doesn't make sense. This is one of the reasons the police are useless during prosecutions and are often disgraced in court. You expect a police man from Enugu to learn the state and customary laws of in ogbomosho, to be able to successfully prosecute a case in ogbomosho.

A state house of assembly makes laws, a state high Court interprete the laws, but you expect a federal police to enforce the laws. Does that make sense?

Not that I exactly oppose hisbah Police or Amotekun or even Biafra secrete service (that is if the chief executives of the south east states decides to name their Police as such), my grouse is in the laws governing their creation and operation. They should operate within the confines of the constitution and not try an impose laws that limits freedom guaranteed by the constitution.
PoliticsRe: FG Declares Operation Amotekun Illegal by wirinet(m): 8:53am On Jan 15, 2020
NaMeAboki:
I am glad you enjoyed your NYSC days and felt the love of Sokoto in those days. I can assure you that, although Nigeria of the 80's cannot be the same the same today; however, not much has changed in terms of your fundamental rights since then.
Southerners and Christianity continue to thrive in Sokoto (and by extension, most of the Muslim north) without fear or molestation.

Having said that; unfortunately, most of you southerners will continue to disagree because of your innate tendency to always view any issue or move by northerners from your narrow ethno-religious perspective:
Arabic letters on our currency notes and military insignia (introduced by the British); herdsmen attacking and killing more Muslims/northerners; Boko Haram attacking and killing more Muslims; Sharia which applies to Muslims only ........and so on, are all being deliberately misinterpreted as Islamisation/Fulanisation agenda by southern political losing elites in order to curry more favour/relevance and support from their apparently gullible lot.

As already mentioned, Hisbah was introduced in affected states to enforce Sharia laws on Muslims only alongside some moral laws on the generality of the citizenry - including the much misunderstood prohibition of alcohol (which was not enacted under Sharia law, as most of you misconstrue).

On the other hand; Amotekun (as you even admitted in your post) is intentionally being set up by the SW states as a security outfit - SECURITY being the key word here; which clearly fall within the exclusive list and therefore outside the responsibility of the state/regional governments.

I will advise your governments to key into the existing FG defence structure (police, military etc) in a collaborative way e.t.c. JTF rather than going it alone - which is illegal.
I did A/Levels in sokoto and not NYSC.

How can you say fundamental rights of non muslims have not changed, when your hishah police go arresting non muslims in their homes and hotels for drinking beer and intimate relations with women?
You are telling me that if I am an animist that uses gin as part of my prayer, I cannot come to sokoto.

About Arabic letters on currency notes. Yes a few Christians complain, but most don't just care. As long as there are English letters and numerals (Arabic), that I can understand, they can as well add Chinese. I don't care.

Herdsmen killing both muslims and Christians should be everybody's concern. If the hisbah Police was to protect both Christian and muslims from fulani herdsmen's attacks, believe me I would not have any issues, but imposing muslims laws and morals on non muslims is wrong.

The herdsmen menace has been a major problem in Nigeria. It started from the north, decimated the middle belt and is not threatening the peace and security of the East and west. Should we not sit together and resolve the Fulani herdsmen issue once and for all?
I would have expected Buhari being a fulani himselves to tackle the issue, but instead he has been aloof.
PoliticsRe: FG Declares Operation Amotekun Illegal by wirinet(m): 7:48am On Jan 15, 2020
Cherez:
Guy, I'm already at work I'd have explained better.
Sorry to say, but you don't know how international politics and diplomacy works.
You said, "Iran has never ran any terror program on US soil"?
I reiterate again Iran has never ran any terror program on US soil , and no Iranian has ever planned or carried out a terror attack on US soil.

Why was the attack on Suleimani?
Only Trump and Pompeo seem to know. They have not been able to explain to the American people the real reason Soleimani was assassinated. Even his republican members of Congress were angry at the briefings Trump's people gave.

Iran partners and funds terrorist coys.
Agreed. But the coys are terrorists to the US and israel, but not to most countries of the world. The Europeans, Russia, china, etc do not view Iran as terrorist.

There is no way the US will detain all Iranians on its soil
Please show me the news
These were Iranians coming in through the ports, so these are the ones the authorities could easily identify.
If a war actually breaks out, the government would hunt for Iranians and detain them for the duration of the war. This was what happened to Japanese and Japanese Americans and Germans in America during WW2.
PoliticsRe: FG Declares Operation Amotekun Illegal by wirinet(m): 7:29am On Jan 15, 2020
DexterousOne:
They can't
I am getting tired of educating people who have learning difficulties.
UK or any other country can expelled foreigners from their country. UK can decide to expel all EU citizens if a Brexit deal is not reached. What will discourage UK from taking such action is the reciprocal action by EU, who will in turn expel all UK citizens from the EU.
Brussels uneasy over EU citizens’ rights after Brexit
Brussels has warned the UK it will be vigilant in policing Britain’s respect for EU citizens’ rights, saying Britain must honour the obligations of the divorce deal that will end the country’s membership of the bloc at the end of this month.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/f14f5eb8-3220-11ea-9703-eea0cae3f0de
It is not by force to allow you into my house.
PoliticsRe: FG Declares Operation Amotekun Illegal by wirinet(m): 7:21am On Jan 15, 2020
hardbody:
All i can say to our waste-rn brothers is that whatever goes round comes around. They laughed at igbos when FG was using military might to trample on their quest for self determination, today what do we have?

What is bad is bad, irrespective of the geopolitical divide where you find yourself. Lets speak out when we should.
Igbos never quested or requested for self determination, what we have is one set of youths screaming referendum or death up and down. It like saying Yorubas requested for self determination because Adeyinka's grandson is shouting Oduduwa Republic up and down.
PoliticsRe: FG Declares Operation Amotekun Illegal by wirinet(m): 7:07am On Jan 15, 2020
Cherez:
The US has no right to ask any lawful foreigner to leave even in cases of war safe for unlawful acts.
The only Iranians detained last week are those whom are suspected to have "terrorist"(Note the stress on terrorist) ties.
See, the SW will never try that.
They can only stop entry to the barest minimum and for those living already, they can't do anything
Did you read the report or you just like arguing just for the sake of argument. Where was it written that any of the Iranian citizens detained were suspected terrorist? Have you heart of any Iranian planning or carrying out a terrorist attack on US or European soil?

There is no international law that can regulate foreigners in another country. It the countries themselves that make the laws that governs the rights of foreigners.
Nigerians asked Ghanaians to leave in the early 80s and nothing happened. Idiamin asked Lebanese and other foreigners to leave Uganda in the 70s, nothing happened.
PoliticsRe: FG Declares Operation Amotekun Illegal by wirinet(m): 6:09am On Jan 15, 2020
MelesZenawi:
Detained?

This is pure fabrication and not anything true.
Nearly 200 Iranian Americans were detained at the US-Canada border

In recent days, as many as 200 people of Iranian descent, some of them US citizens, have been detained at the US-Canada border and questioned about their political views, family members, and work histories.

About 60 individuals, including American and Canadian citizens, were held for questioning about their “political views and allegiances” at the Canadian border in Blaine, Washington, on Saturday, according to the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), a nonprofit that advocates for the rights of Muslims in the US.

US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) confiscated their passports and held some of them waiting rooms for as long as 10 hours, refusing to grant them entry to the US, according to CAIR.

By Monday, as many as 140 more people of Iranian descent had been detained at the border. They were repeatedly asked about their birthplaces, family members, schooling, and work histories.

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2020/1/7/21054780/iran-trump-detain-canada-border-soleimani
PoliticsRe: FG Declares Operation Amotekun Illegal by wirinet(m): 5:49am On Jan 15, 2020
Cherez:
You should be shameless at least to mention people that have proven not to be a threat by any means to you.
Even Americans & Britons you run to their places haven't asked anyone to leave. I just await the day this shit will happen, I doubt you can even try this.
But Americans & Britons can ask anyone to leave. If not for the courts (American law), I am sure Trump is ready to ask all Iranians to leave the US. Many of them were detained last week during the US - Iran showdown.

Citizens of countries have free access to countries it's government has cordial relationship with. Biafra is very unlikely to have cordial relationship with Nigeria, sorry the zoo.
PoliticsRe: FG Declares Operation Amotekun Illegal by wirinet(m):
NaMeAboki:
If you could read and understand, you would have notice in my 1st post where I stated under where Hisbah fell - comparing Amotekun with Hisbah is like comparing apples with oranges and smacks of ignorance.

BTW, what do you think J in JTF stood for?
Well i did not see your post where you said anything against hisbah. I have known you to be defending hisbah with vigour since I noticed you.

I am glad you are educated, so we can debate on an intellectual level instead of emotional level, without the use of threats, intimidation and innuendos. My problem with you is that you are sometimes dishonest. You view issues from your narrow perspective and not care about how issues affect others. I call that entitlement mentality.

Don't misunderstand me. I supported Buhari 100%, I did two years schooling in sokoto in the late 80s and fell in love with sokoto and northerners. When I was in sokoto, I did not feel threatened, I drank beer when I wanted to (but in a private bar or private space), I worshiped in a church when I felt like (all the churches were on Ahmadu bello road ), although I hate pork, no one threatened me from eating it. In fact when I was leaving one of my fulani friend offered to give me a goat as a parting gift. That was love.

Today, the story is different, I would not go back to sokoto for a million dollars. There is so much religious intolerance. You guys now want to impose your beliefs and lifestyle on others.

Now, what seperated an hisbah Police from amotekun? Are you saying if I steal or commit murder, hisbah Police will not arresting me? They may not have the powers to prosecute me, but they will effect the arrest, using violence if need be. They arrest people selling and drinking beer, they arrest men and women in hotel rooms.

You are aware that there is a huge security challenge in the southwest and the south as a whole. Farmers are having difficulty earning their livelihood, due to cattle grazing and attacked by fulani herdsmen, and these have been going on for decades with increasing intensity. The federal government has either been complicit, incompetence or non challant, what do you expect the governors or the people to do?
PoliticsRe: FG Declares Operation Amotekun Illegal by wirinet(m): 5:10am On Jan 15, 2020
Gbemishile1:
Nooo
I do not support this amotejun of a thing
The federal govt banned the forming if state security and it still stands
If the federal government should allow this amotekun of a thing,then the south east will also want to create their own security watch,with no restrictions as to who will be drafted into their security watch.worst of all is it might be hijacked by the ipobs who are clamouring for their Biafra of a thing and the federal govt doesn't want that.
So what sayest thou of Kano State Hisbah Corps which had been in operation since 2003 and Civilian JTF?
PoliticsRe: FG Declares Operation Amotekun Illegal by wirinet(m): 4:57am On Jan 15, 2020
NaMeAboki:
I have no cause to waste time and energy arguing with someone who is clearly driven by emotions rather than logic.
The FG has already made its declaration and given its reasons why; however, if and your leaders think otherwise, then kindly sue the AGF/FG to court to prove your case.
Na wa o. You are so inconsistent. You arguing everyday for the support of Sharia law, hisbah Police and civilian JTF in the north , but now arguing against Amotekun in the south.
People have been asking your northerners to differentiate between hisbah, JTF and Amotekun and you keep mute.

I think the southerners are finally waking up from the injustices we have been suffering from people who feels they own the country.
Do your sharia up north and my people will stay away from the north. We will do our Amotekun and herdsmen should stay away from the south.
PoliticsRe: FG Declares Operation Amotekun Illegal by wirinet(m): 4:46am On Jan 15, 2020
magicminister:
Yorubas and igbos have to unite.

We may fight and beef each other but a Yoruba man can live in the East in peace likewise an Igbo man! If my son or daughter travelled to Yoruba or Igbo states, I’ll be at peace knowing their chance of getting murdered is slim but i don’t feel the same way about the norther states!

This issue might be a blessing in disguise. It may help unite the igbos and the Yorubas against the entitlement mentality of the Fulanis.
PoliticsRe: PDP Press Statement On Supreme Court Judgement by wirinet(m): 4:42am On Jan 15, 2020
DMerciful:
Why? Without punishment, what will stop INEC from allocating votes at will? Do you know how much taxpayers money was wasted?
This is besides the point.
You asked why the supreme court did not punish anyone, I told you that no one was brought before the supreme Court for punishment. A case has to come to the supreme Court all the way from the high courts before they can make judgements. Besides, it's the lower courts that punishes, the supreme Court either ratifies or dismiss.
PoliticsRe: PDP Press Statement On Supreme Court Judgement by wirinet(m): 4:21am On Jan 15, 2020
DMerciful:
So why did the supreme court not punish anyone?
Anyone was not brought before the supreme Court for punishment.
PoliticsRe: PDP Press Statement On Supreme Court Judgement by wirinet(m): 4:19am On Jan 15, 2020
seunmsg:
There is nothing strange in the judgement, it was simply the judiciary correcting the wrongs perpetrated by INEC and PDP.


What I actually found strange today is the information that INEC declared Ihedioha winner after cancelling APC votes in 388 polling units. They cancelled the voice/votes of over 200,000 voters just to be able to declare Ihedioha. I’m really disturbed that it took the intervention of the Supreme Court to stop such a fraudulent move. I shiver at the thought that they almost got away with silencing the electoral choices of over 200,000 valid voters.
You raised a valid point. We should be looking at how and why INEC cancelled over 200,000 valid votes and still declared a candidate winner. In saner climes, the state INEC chairman and possibly the national chairman should resigned or be fired (and possibly prosecuted ).
PoliticsRe: Why Supreme Court Sacked Ihedioha And Declared Uzodinma Winner In Imo by wirinet(m): 4:01am On Jan 15, 2020
OYAY:
In he unanimous judgement of the seven-member panel, read by Justice Kudirat Kekere-Ekun, the apex court agreed that results in 388 polling units were unlawfully excluded during the collation of the final governorship election result in Imo State.

Now the crux of the matter is that was there cancellation in 308 wards or nothuh We should desist from being unnecessarily emotional!!!
Our igbo brothers trade in emotions. They think they can win or get what they want by stirring emotions. Most of them did not even bother to read the reason for the judgement, they just start screaming; Fulani herdsmen, sharia judges and Buhari. You wonder what concerns these with the judgement?

This is the crux of the judgement;
“Vote due to the appellant Senator Hope Uzodinma and the APC from 388 Polling Units were wrongly excluded from scores ascribed to the appellant(to them).

“It is thereby ordered that the appellant votes from 388 Polling Units unlawfully excluded from the appellant vote declared shall be added and that the first respondent, Emeka Ihedioha, was not duly elected by a majority of lawful votes cast at the said election.”
The lower courts had rejected the evidence presented by hope Uzodinma because the evidence did not originate from the witnesses presenting the evidence.

The panel led by Justice Malami Dongondaji had in the judgment dismissed Messrs Ararume, Nwosu and Uzodinma’s petitions for lacking in merit on the grounds that they failed to prove the allegations made in their petitions.


But the tribunal in its judgement held that the case of the petitioners was unmeritorious because they failed to call relevant witnesses and that evidence of witnesses called were based on hearsay.

The tribunal, in addition, rejected documents tendered by the petitioners in support of their claims on the grounds that those who led evidence in the documents were not the makers of the documents.
This to me is a stupid argument.
So the learned justices were saying that documents originating from INEC or the police, but presented by agents and lawyers of the petitioner cannot be admitted, because they did not write the documents themselves. Mind you, they did not alleged the documents were forged.
PoliticsRe: Why Supreme Court Sacked Ihedioha And Declared Uzodinma Winner In Imo by wirinet(m): 3:41am On Jan 15, 2020
YelloweWest:
Was it only hope that got votes from 318 polling units? How did inec over look 236,000 votes?

Abeg leave this lie joor
It was only hope that was able to present evidence that he got 236,000 votes from 318 polling units.

JonDon12:
Wait One Minute; If Uzodinma Got 236k cancelled votes from those Polling Units, How many did Ihedioha Get from those. They should add those to his totals.
The onus lies on Ihedioha to present evidence that he got votes from the 236,000 polling units. You cannot expect hope uzodinma or the supreme Court justices to do that for him.

The problem was the admissibility of the evidence uzodinma presented. The lower courts dismissed the evidence, while the supreme Court admitted it. One the evidence was admitted, ihedioha has lost.
RomanceRe: No Sex Before Marriage: Did I Overreact? by wirinet(m): 1:17pm On Jan 13, 2020
BecaciaBarbie:
My husband did not even peck me before He got married to me not to talk more of cuddle and sex, please pray to God to send you who He has ordained for you as that person would meet all your criteria and still wait.
A very good friend is always proud that he had sèx with his wife the very day he met her. Their marriage is over 20 years. Does that mean God did not ordain the ordain the marriage.

Different strokes for different folks. What works for you might not work for others.
RomanceRe: My Fiancée Wants To Abort My Unborn Child Because Of Nursing Council Exam by wirinet(m):
calabardick:
Is it the same guy that married her?
Some of this "small introduction men" are agents of frustration. They're out there to frustrate innocent young ladies. Only a foolish woman will listen to them.

You were her destiny helper.
No o. She married a banker. The old guy forgot the small engagement As soon as she aborted the baby. But was still preaching love. The whole family went against the guy and insisted the lady to dumb his sorry ass. Just before she was commissioned, he went to her base crying and almost rolling on the floor, begging to continue the relationship.
What is annoying is not the fact that he was struggling, but he was not serious.Why will you have a relationship for over 6 years and not think of proposing engagement until she becomes pregnant. OK, After engagement, then what?
RomanceRe: My Fiancée Wants To Abort My Unborn Child Because Of Nursing Council Exam by wirinet(m): 6:31am On Jan 13, 2020
Olalan:
OP sorry to burst your bubble your spouse family seem irresponsible.......a grandmother following her grand child is the height of moral bankruptcy. It's time you have a rethink about your spouse and her family that's if you don't also share same moral outlook.
BTW when you both were having series of unprotected sex what where you guys expecting?
The spouse family seem irresponsible but was able to send their daughter to nursing school? You think nursing schools and nursing exams comes cheap?

But to you, the family of a guy that would agree to a small engagement , not marriage and then have a baby out of wedlock is responsible. The guy was asking for engagement, not marriage. The girl is right to demand a proper marriage after 4 years of free knacking. So when will he be ready for marriage.

I have had a cousin in similar situation. She got pregnant during her NYSC, and the guy insisted on having the baby. They brought drinks and kola to my uncle's house. When we asked them when they will be ready for the marriage proper, they said we should not worry, that they would come soon. That was 11 years ago. Till today, we have not seen their brake lights. They sent money for the child upkeep for the first 5 years. Today, it's our family that pays school fees and upkeep for the boy.

The grandmother that is following her grandchild has seen, heard and experienced far more than the so called moralists. She wants the best for her grandchildren.
RomanceRe: My Fiancée Wants To Abort My Unborn Child Because Of Nursing Council Exam by wirinet(m): 6:11am On Jan 13, 2020
chewwie:
Did her silly grandmother get her pregnant? She should carry the pregnancy to term and leave the baby with you and move on with her life.
Is there any rule that states that she can't take her exams with pregnancy?
her silly grand mother did not get her pregnant, but when the baby is born, who will buy pampers, baby formula, medicals, etc for the baby? Who will bear the medical expenses of the birth, especially if there are complications or requires C/S? It's still the girls parents (and maybe with assistant from the grandparents ) that house her, feed her, pay her school fees, etc. If the girl and the guy are totally independent, and would not constitute a burden on her family, then the silly grand mother and her parents will have no business whatsoever on whether to have a baby or not.

What do you mean "She should carry the pregnancy to term and leave the baby with you and move on with her life"? Leave the baby with the guy?
RomanceRe: My Fiancée Wants To Abort My Unborn Child Because Of Nursing Council Exam by wirinet(m): 9:14am On Jan 12, 2020
cooltola:
Killing an unborn child is the ultimate lack of empathy and disregard to life- the only exception to abortion is if the fetus growing is dangerous to health of the mother or rape . Forget the moral compasses or self righteousness, everyone deserves a chance for tomorrow.
This is a matter of opinion. Many people do not see a fertilised egg or zygote as a child. To the law, a fetus does not become a person until it is capable of independent existence. A woman cannot be forced to carry, birth and care for a baby she does not want. A child should not be a punishment for moral sins of a woman.

All the argument against abortion are based on religious and moral grounds. The law does not recognise a fetus as a legal entity, so killing an unborn child is legal jargon. Medical science is still divided on when a fetus becomes conscious and can be recognised as a person.

Even the children who are begging or suffering are hoping for a tomorrow. The better solution is to enforce a family planning by promoting the uses of condoms or anything to prevent the fertilization of human eggs if both parties are not ready to parent. Why should an unborn child pay the penalty of death because his or her parents were busy enjoying themselves irresponsibly? The northerner leaders should address the uncontrolled population growth, try to provide jobs and abortion is not the answer.
This is the thinking of third world mindset. The hope for a better tomorrow does not justify the millions of unwanted children roaming the streets, constituting a menace to society, ie boko haram, agberos, cultists, etc. Having millions of uneducated and unwanted children is the chief ingredient for societal anarchy.
PoliticsRe: Amaechi And Former President Jonathan At Late Dr. Blankson's Funeral (photos) by wirinet(m): 6:55am On Jan 12, 2020
No too surprised, they are both gentleman. Men don't keep grudges forever. I would be more surprised to see Amaechi sitting down and shaking hands with mama peace.

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