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geometricaxis:
my friend you have problems o! firstly what does that prove? it could be anyone's passport, why are you even trying to prove anything to a stranger on the internet? you have problems o!!

all this just tells me you are lying and you are trying to cover up. Nothing changes!!!

I am through. I do not want people connecting the dots and identify me, so I have removed the picture.

Our ( should I say childish ) session is over.

geometricaxis:
Oponu, one of the greatest signs of a lie and insecurity is the efforts to cover up the lie and convince. Youve already messed yourself up. You cannot tell a story you did not experience, google cannot help you. that you care about a stranger on the internet just shows you are insecure. I told you earlier the more more you dig, the bigger your hole.

Youve told me i'm a poor under privileged person, do you see me trying to convince you of my pedigree? why does it bother you so much...this is how thieves are caught

Here is fatality.

I will be shocked if you are still alive after seeing this.

I even forgot when I was first issued a US visa. I got another one in 86 when this one expired.

geometricaxis:
how long did it take you to google these things? You fake wannabe.

Anybody who reads your posts knows your education is not from the '80s. you cant fake these things!!

You must commit suicide today.
I will snap my international passport showing the four year visa I was issued in 1984 but I will blot out my name and picture. Don't worry I will snap it with the current CNN program as background.

geometricaxis:
Youve been exposed, The internet never forgets: I told you I'm above your pay grade and IQ, I told you i can tell from your posts we were educated differently and you are not from my generation but you didn't stop. I didnt even have to dig far!!

I guess we wont be hearing from you again!


by wirinet(m): 3:52pm On Apr 09, 2013

Thanks for bringing back the memories of that episode, I had already forgotten. People did not believe that money was withdrawn from my ATM card without giving them the PIN.

So what did the fact that I lost my ATM card inside a bus between Alaba and Obalende in 2013 have anything to do with what we are talking about?

You are above my pay grade because I entered a bus in 2013 or that I was living in Ikorodu in 2013?
Please what is your point? This is proof that I did not live a sheltered youth or I did not attend Gregs?
And you will come here and start talking about IQ.

If I tell you the privileges, I enjoyed in my youth, you will probably commit suicide.
Let me give some snippets;
I was at the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics. I attended the closing ceremony where Lionel Richie performed. I stayed at the Hilton Los Angeles (downtown).

I was at both Disney world (Orlando ) and Disneyland (Los Angeles ) in 1986.

I attended every Notting Hill Gate carnival from 1984 to 1990.

Oya. Commit suicide.

geometricaxis:
Look back at our interaction, you strted the insults by refering to me as a lazy youth. You have no right to complain because you are the one that owes an apology. I am not bothered, but if it bothers you then acknowledge you started it. If you cant stand the heat then dont go to the kitchen,

As for the rest i honestly didnt bother reading it. I have said all there is to say.

So because I thought you were a "lazy youth", that made you so angry that you started using gutter language like bastard and other foul language. A third party cannot blame me for thinking you are a lazy youth.

Believe I hardly enter the kitchen, I am above the level of exchanging foul language with anyone. I simply ignore those that go down to that level.

EDIT: I later read your piece and you are clearly a liar....YES I called you a liar!!!
By the time I left Ife in 1990 ALL the expatriates had left, even the 1st class Nigerians had started leaving/ so that's lie no1. Even though I did not stdudy Architecture I can tell you that the Italian in Architecture had left and he wasnt even a professor.

You allow your arrogance to get the better of you. You are telling me that you know my department better than me. I entered Ife in 1986, there were two Italian lecturers left when I entered, one Mr. Montero and another one we call Papa ( can't remember his name now). Papa was from the building technology department (he taught us BLD 201 and 202 ( structures). I think they left around 1989 or 1990

lie no 2 it doesnt matter where you are if you lived in Lagos you would have heard of metroline, it was in the news like Saraki is in the news today. It just shows you werent aroiund then, if you wanted to lie well you would have said you lived outside Lagos.

Na was o. You seem to suffer delusions also. Which news were listening to between 1979 and 1983? You probably finished secondary school around 1983, and you mean to tell me you used to buy and read newspapers then, when you were barely 17 years old? In the alternative, did you wait for NTA news at 9 to hear the news?

lie no 3 if you really were a sheltered youth you would have likely entered university at an earlier age, all this talk of living in Ikoyi/v/i is BS except you were ward of domestic staff living in that area. People who lived in Ikoyi/VI went to university aged 15-17, max 18. If you had a priviledged upbringing as you say and only got admitted to University at 19 you were likely a dullard or you are lying. either of which make sense considering what you have been posting.

I am beginning to sense jealousy in your tone. It is not my fault that you lived a hard life in your youth. You should thank god that you got a good education.

Who told you privileged people enter university between 15 and 17? I knew lots of spoilt brats who were so unserious with their studies that they were taken abroad after many failed attempt at WAEC and JAMB, by the time they enter university, they are almost 20.

I finished from St. Gregory's College, Obalende at the age of 17, I then went for 2 years advanced level schooling at a federal school of arts and science, by the time I entered Ife, I was already 19.
So how does entering university at 19 become an issue of privilege or not?

You exhibit so much arrogance, yet you make little intellectual contribution to this thread or forum as a whole, no substance whatsoever.

I am above your pay grade my friend. I smell Bullshit a mile away!!!
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I have not told you who I am, but you started by telling us who you are in the hope you can fool me into thinking you are above what you really are. instead you have exposed yourselve to be creating a false persona on the internet. let the strength of your argument speak for you and on that level you fail....anybody cam make claims on the internet in the hope of pyschologically convincing the other that he knows what he is talking about.

It is now about pay grade. So how do you want us to compare pay grades? Should we post our pay checks? The problem is that I do not receive pay checks, I give them.

Where did l tell you who I am, I am even afraid of revealing too much information, as many people might connect the dots. I might even have interacted with you as we were at Ife around the same period.

I was only trying to buttress my points by stating personal experiences, but it seems you feel intimidated, thus you screams of lies, lies lies. If believing all I said are lies makes you feel better about yourself, then by Jove fell free to scream louder. Its a good therapy.

You dont have the IQ to take me on so just drop it.

You feel you have shown anything related to IQ on this thread? Maybe we need a third party to judge based on our posts.

I am still responding to you because you said you are senior citizen, if you are one of those uncouth youth that have taken over this forum and only contributions are insults, memes and senseless posts, I would have ignored you.

geometricaxis:
That you say you "heard about Jakande's metro line" tells me you are a young person and you were not around when Nigeria was Nigeria. if you are too young to be aware of metro line, Nigeria had collapsed by the time your were conscious of your environment and so it's no surprise you talk like you do. Take it from me, most of what you wrote is nonsense, you did not live in Nigeria when Nigeria was a great place, (BTW nor did you attend Ife when our lecturers were, Havard,Oxford, Cambridge etc trained) so you are not in a position to talk and when those who did talk so instead of arguing, listen to them.

I only heard of Jakande's Metro line because I lived a very sheltered youth. I lived and school on the island (Ikoyi and V/I) until I entered Ife at about the age of 19. I never crossed Carter Bridge to go to the mainland (except when I travelled abroad once a year.) So there was no way I would have physically seen the infrastructure for the metro line.

So what happened to the infrastructure for jakande's metro line, we're they destroyed by the Buhari administration?

The problem with Nigeria started when the military took over, there was corruption ofcourse but nowhere near what we have today, there were ill conceived projects but there are ill conceived projects all over the world. Kaduna refinery was an ill conceived project (heavy crude v light we produce) but it worked. If the military and particularly IBB hadnt taken over, we were heading in the right direction. Most of the infrastructure we have today and certainly the best of them were built by the very same people you malign. Lagos Ibadan that we use today was completed in 1976 it took less than 2 years to build.

Which military take over are you talking about? Is it the 1966 coup or coups or the 1983 coup? If you said the January 1966 coup, I could have agreed with you, but still, I won't.
Nigeria's problem started at independence. If you read about the British colonial empire, you will know that the British always leave mines (political and economic) behind when they are leaving. They make sure the country remain unstable and play the contending groups against each other. All these they do to enable them continue to exploit their people and resources. The only country to escape that mine was the US, and they did this by jettisoning British imposed constitution and rewriting their own afresh. Well, that is a story for another day.
Corruption started at independence, especially in the West. The western politicians were fantastically corrupted, but there were a very few of them that tilled the national purse. The first couple was carry out supposedly because Kaduna Nzeogu was appalled by the corruption among the political class. Festus Okotie-Eboh, the then finance minister was my inlaw and I know the children. Till date, the children are still living off their fathers wealth.

The reason why you didnt get the best education (no offence, but you dont argue like someone who got an education when education in Nigeria was education) is because you studied under the military after they started messing around with education

Believe me, I got the best education Nigeria could offer. Yes, when I got to Ife, most of the expatriates had left, but a few remained, but that is beside the point. The point is that Nigeria's education was not tailored along nigeria's developmental needs, at the policy level. We concentrated more on acquisition of theoretical knowledge and degrees, than trying to solve local problems. At the end we still depend on imported manpower to solve critical technical problems.

geometricaxis:
you dont talk like someone who has a degree in anything and if you had any real intelligence there are clues in my post that i am not a youth. We have numerous steel industries, we have numerous hydro dams. you will be shocked how many lie fallow, never commissioned, that no one knows about. Are these the fault of the people who conceived them or the people who never followed through on the plan? 36 years ago jakande started the lagos metro, it was cancelled when the military came over, is it jakande's fault? We have refineries, they were in the plan and they were completed, is it the fault of Awo,Zik,Tafa,or Gowon that they arent working today? You are clearly too young to remmember and probably went Ife when Ife had lost it's glory because you dont sound like someone school in Ife in it's glory days. All these things you list we had in the 80s so clearly the blame is not on the people you listed.

The harder you try to sound knowledgeable the more you show up yourself as completely ignorant of the subject matter. Argue like an educated person please.

I will ignore the insults, since you claim to be matured and not a youth, or will accord you some respect.

We never had a steel industry in the true sense of the word. The only attempt at a proper steel plant was Ajaokuta with was badly planned, badly designed and horribly executed. The other one delta steel company was a joke. The so called steel industries only managed to some produce steel rods, which is used in the construction industry. Even at that we imported most of our steel rods.

The steel critical for development is steel sheets, which are used for machine tools, machines themselves and moulds for metal, plastic and ceramic forms. Ajaokuta was designed to produce both rods and sheets, the sheet section was never built. Even to build refineries you need steel sheets.

Yes, we built refineries, but the main problem was the running and maintenance of these refineries. When you fail to provide technical education for you people, you will need to import the manpower to design, build and maintain the refineries. Now after the refineries are built and commissioned and the imported manpower leaves, what happens when the refinery breaks down and your need to repair the refineries?

I heard about Jakande's metro line, but I do not know how it would have fitted into nigeria's overall development plan. Would it have been able to carry goods and people from the industrial and agricultural hinterland to the ports?

As I said earlier, Awo? Tafa and Zik did not plan for Nigeria's developmental independence, they simply continued with the colonial policy of making the African colonies a source of raw material for Britain.

Awo was my hero in my youth and I cried when he died in 1986. I believed his welfarist philosophy then, But he was not infallible. It was later I learnt he made the same mistake all other post colonial African president made, the continued with the colonial policies of their colonial masters. Awo should not have made us to continue to serve the British economy by being a supplier of cocoa, rubber and timber. He should have instead invested heavily in power, rail, steel, science education, and locally consumed items

geometricaxis:
again you are talking out of ignorance. import substitution is a step along the path to export. Dangote now exports but he started first by import substitution. There was nothing wrong with the implementation of the national development plans until they were truncated. many of the infrastructure we continue to enjoy today were from those plans. Many of the Nigerian doctors that are doing great things abroad are a result of the development plans, the question you should ask is why are Nigeria's doctors abroad. The problem was the military came in and halted everything.

My mothers driver bought a brand new 504 GL back in the day. teachers/civil servants bought brand new cars then. what is a security guard doing with a brand new car.


stop talking out of ignorance

I am tired of schooling "lazy" youth who have a mental blockage against learning critical issues. I studied architecture at Ife, I studied the industrial revolution and it's effect on western civilization (and other civilizations also ). So I am telling you that you cannot industrialise (or develop) without first power, second steel, third science and technical education, fourthly efficient mass transport network and lastly raw materials. The only element we possess of the five is raw materials. And it was the search for raw materials that gave rise to colonialization. Europe had the other 4 elements but lacked raw materials.

Today, we are struggling to generate 5000Mws of electricity, we do not have a steel industry, we lack practical science and technological research centres and we have non existent transport infrastructure, and you are talking about development plan.

geometricaxis:
you are talking out of ignorance, please educate yourself on the 1st (1962-68) ,2nd (70-74) and 3rd (75-80) national development plans and find out under whose watch we abandoned national development plans and commenced haphazard development.

Nigeria has never been short of plans, the problem had always been implementation of plans. Nigeria has the best plans in the world on paper, it is how to turn plans to reality that has always been the problem.

Awolowo, Zik and Tafa Balewa continued with the colonialist's policy of using Nigeria as a source of primary raw materials, so they did not invest in developmental infrastructure and science and technical education. They continued investing in primary raw materials like agricultural and mineral and investing in administrative education like law;and accountancy. We exported raw materials and imported finished goods. That put us in perpetual dependence on foreign finished goods.
Awolowo even invested in cocoa, which we do not eat, instead of those we actually consume. So we needed to export cocoa in order to get dollars or pounds to import things we needed.
Same policy has been with us since. We export crude oil to import petrol, kerosene and diesel.

4Play:
Good monetary policy should come first before infrastructure. Infrastructure is virtually useless if the monetary policy framework subsidises imports.

False. Monetary policy in isolation to developmental infrastructure is useless. The only monetary policy that is important is one that aids physical development, and physical development is impossible without infrastructural development.
Monetary policy without physical development is like a ponzi scheme, you just bounce money around until the system crashes, making very few people rich but majority poor.
Think about it, when the colonialist came, the very first thing they built was physical infrastructure (that aid their own developmental needs, which is export of raw materials to home country) ie, rail, roads and ports. This was what made kano the hub of groundnut, enugu the hub of coal and sapele the hub of timber.

LIFEisSIMPLE:
I still insist it was PMB that messed up Nigerias economy

Then you are still a teen, or a very young man.

Lomprico2:
Ibb actually killed this country!

Then what will you say of Gowon that said Nigeria's problem was not money, but how to spend it, and he solve the problem of spending money by giving civil servants jumbo bonuses.

4Play:
It was the "strength" of the Naira that was its weakness. When the Naira exchange rate is stable despite high inflation - as in the 1970s - it makes our economy uncompetitive and acts like a subsidy of importation. Such a real exchange rate appreciation (inflation adjusted appreciation) is disastrous for the tradable goods sector.

Think of a groundnut exporter in the 1970s whose input costs are rising as labour, transport and fuel become more expensive. Unless the currency depreciates, his business revenues in Naira will stay the same. This will make it impossible to continue to operate such a business. This is effectively what helped crush our non-oil sector.

The strong naira is only part of the problem, the biggest problem is the lack of infrastructure to aid production and manufacturing, so we could not produce what we consume before we even start talking of export.
No national currency can thrive on a total power output of 5,000Mw, no railway system and horrible road infrastructure.

Cantonese:
And then Babangida introduced the second tier foreign exchange market (SFEM) in august 1986. The naira was devalued that year by that government and it heralded the challenges of our currency. Before then one could travel to any country in the world with the naira and exchange it in any bureau de change. See, the problem of this country started during the Shagari regime and blown out of proportion by Babangida. Each time we attack Jonathan I wonder why the people of that age fail to tell the honest truth. This country was damaged by the military and not Jonathan. Babangida and Abacha put us into this mess we are presently facing. Neither Jonathan nor Buhari caused it. Our problems became compounded by the greedy politicians who are the animals that Trump talked about.

You are completely wrong. Our problems are caused by ALL our leaders since independence, including Jonathan and Buhari. They ALL lack foresight on how to build a prosperous nations. Awolowo, Zik and Tafa Balewa made foundational mistakes by not investing in developmental infrastructure like power, roads and rail and compounded the problem by not investing in science and technical education. Gowon made it worse by simply blowing away oil windfall of the early 70s. Subsequent governments have been short sighted, inept and corrupt.

No national currency can strengthen when you produce nothing and need foreign currency to import everything, from petrol to tooth pick. Your currency will be in an eternal free fall. Basic economics.

abokibuhari:
83-85 the lifeless cow started destroying everything

And full life cows that was in power between 1985 - 2015 (30 years), could not build every thing back, especially the full life cow that ruled between 2010 - 2015?

Abillsable:
Bakare was rich before becoming a pastor.By the way,who do you think brought Skoda cars to Nigeria from way back.The man has it.

You made a claim that Bakare was rich before starting his church and we have been asking for proof or at least an explanation. You provided non. I have told you he established his law practice in 1984 and closed it 5 years later to establish a church. So what businesses made him rich?

What do you mean he brought Skoda to Nigeria? Did he start the business of importing Skoda cars, or he established a manufacturing plant producing the cars?
If he only imported cars, are you saying he became very rich importing and selling Skoda cars? For how long was he selling the Skoda cars, and was he selling cars the same time he was running his law firm?, or maybe when he was studying law at the university.

Maamin:
Crap!

Were you there when Atheism started, who was keeping time?

Is it that you are too lazy to read or that the bible has filled up all available space in your brain leaving no further space to store any other information?

Atheism (derived from the Ancient Greek ἄθεος atheos meaning "without gods; godless; secular; denying or disdaining the gods, especially officially sanctioned gods"[1]) is the absence or rejection of the belief that deities exist

Philosophical atheist thought began to appear in Europe and Asia in the sixth or fifth century BCE. Will Durant, in his The Story of Civilization, explained that certain pygmy tribes found in Africa were observed to have no identifiable cults or rites. There were no totems, no deities, and no spirits. Their dead were buried without special ceremonies or accompanying items and received no further attention.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_atheism

EMMAACHILE:
Security vote was used during the military era and was passed unto democracy.
The security vote is determined by each Governor of the state and is deducted from the states monthly allocation.
Security votes are not subject to audit or appropriation and can be used how the Governors/President pleases.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/12/no-law-supporting-security-vote-nigeria-robert-clarke-san/

Where did you get all those things about security votes? Where are the guildlines regarding the creation and use of security votes?

The vanguard link you posted contradicted the points your wrote up there. Did you read the link at all?

Here are highlights of the vanguard report;

I still maintained my stand that the question of security vote has no basis in law.

When the 1999 constitution came into operation it did not make any provision for security vote. I am bound by the constitution if you can find it anywhere there. There may be provision for the upkeep of the Presidency or the Governor’s house. But you will never find that a special amount of money has been allocated for security.


I have checked from the office of the Attorney General of the Federation and he has told me emphatically there is no provision covering the security votes. The question is that nobody in Nigeria today knows how much the presidency is spending on security votes, likewise the governors.

Read more at: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/12/no-law-supporting-security-vote-nigeria-robert-clarke-san/

rekinomtla:
So in other words atheists don't have irrefutable proof.



Makes more sense than the atheist narrative where the universe came from nothing then for no reason randomly starting expanding and rearranging itself. Before for again no reason kick started evolution then wola we humans are here all thanks to the logic of random blind chance.

Irrefutable proof of what? That it was not a Jewish man that created the universe using only Jewish words, and that he had to come down to earth to save us from himself, so we can worship him till eternity if we choose to believe the narrative or burn forever in hell if we reject it?

The Big Bang theory is not an atheist narrative, it a a scientific one. Big bang theory is less than 100 years, atheism is thousands of years old.

EMMAACHILE:
Do i hear N20m? Kogi as small as it is compared to Kaduna takes average of N400m a month while States like Rivers and Delta collect N2 billion naira security vote monthly.

If you are in power, you will be rich legitimately even without corruption.

Can you please explain more on the legality of this Security Vote?

Who or what determines the amount of security vote?

Is it subject to appropriation and oversight by the legislature?

Is it in the constitution or any other law?

rekinomtla:
You weren't there 2000 years how can you be absolutely certain it's fiction? That just your opinion, there's no irrefutable proof that it's fiction.

We are not even talking about fact or fiction, we are talking about logic.

Does the Christian narrative;

That the alleged creator of the universe came in human form 2000 years ago as a Jewish man to sacrifice himself unto himself so that humans can attain salvation through that sacrifice and go to be with him in a place called heaven when they die or when he returns what ever the case maybe.

make any logical sense to you?

obailala:
Okay sorry guys, I obviously don't know him as much as you guys do. He was probably a pauper before he started his church business and irrespective of whatever other business or businesses he has going for him currently, he would never still be able to afford N16million, let alone N160 without dipping his hands into his church's purse. I rest my case!

No one said he was a pauper before he started church business, what we are saying is that he was not worth N160 million before he started his church business.

You keep hammering that he has or had other businesses apart from church business, why not shut us up by providing us info on these businesses.

Tundeobama:
which law case did Osinbajo vp handle that made him very rich before given political appointment he also hv house in uk and USA.which case did afebabalola handle that makes him a billionaire??you asking rubbish question dont think because you poor thats how others will be.Tunde bakare wife is born and breed in uk from wealthy home.peace stay bless

I know you people are ready to wear an explosive vest for your "supreme leader", so I understand why you are so pained and lie effortlessly to defend him.

Osinbajo was a SAN and a professor of law before he got into office. I hope you know that hiring a SAN in Nigeria does not come cheap.

Osinbajo was also a Senior Partner with SimmonsCooper Partners before he was elected vice president.

Finally, I hope you are aware that Osinbajo's wife is Awolowo's grand daughter. Awolowo's estate is worth billions.

Your comparison of Bakare with Afe Babalola is not only laughable, it is absurd. Afe Babalola was called to the English Bar in 1963, He set up his own chambers in 1967, he was made a SAN in 1987 and had handled numerous cases up to the supreme Court. You are comparing him with a person that practiced law for less than 8 years and ran a law firm for less than 5 years. Well done.
Abeg tell me how much Bakare's wife's family is worth. Being born in England does not give you wealth.

Now compare that with Bakare's qualifications, professional attainments and family background.

Tundeobama:
Tunde bakare has one of the top law firms in lagos he has a house in us and uk before becoming a pastor.so you think everyone is poor before becoming a pastor shallow mind.he worked for his money he has the right to spend it has he like.

Which top law firm did Tunde Bakare run before he became a pastor? How many high profile cases did he handle? Was he made a SAN?

Tunde Bakare was called to the bar in 1981, he established his own law firm in 1984 and left to set up a church in 1989. So how come he could afford houses in the UK and the US within 5 years of setting up a law firm? What cases brought him so much fortune?

Maestro21:
I can't speak to his politics but his source of wealth is legit. Pastor Tunde Bakare brought Scoda motors to Nigeria many years ago. Sometime in 2012 or so I heard him say he took a loan a few years prior from a bank to purchase a property worth #40M because "he did not have the money" he said. He would later say that same property was resold for #1Billion.

Don't stay on your phones typing rubbish that will put curses on you. No man can consistently steal and live off tithes where Gods people are involved. God always protects his sheep.

Nash wa o! You people's lies make lai Muhammed look an amateur. In 2012, Tunde Bakare took a loan of N40 million (because he did not have the money) and in less than 6 years, he sold the same property for N1billion. How come? Was gold or oil discovered on the property after he bought it?

obailala:
Bakare isnt your usual pentecostal tithe swallowing merchant. From the little I know of him, he's always been a very rich man who at some point in the 80s/90s even had a cargo airline; and that was before he became a pastor.

You said you knew little of him and yet you claim to know the source of his wealth, how come?

Your excuse seems lame and senseless. Tunde bakare was called to the bar at the age of 27 in 1981, so how come he had a cargo airline in the 80s or even the 90s?
Did he inherit a fortune from his parents?
As somebody who knew little about him, please help us answer these questions;
How much was he worth when he started his ministry in 1989?

How much is he worth now?

What businesses is he involved with now?

Where did he get the N160million to borrow El -Rufai?

Where did he expect El-Rufai to get the money to pay back?

How would he have gotten back his money if El -Rufai had lost the election?

raptex:
Wow,Is your wife cool with your beliefs?

What can she do? The most important thing is I love her and she loves me, all other issues are secondary.

In the past, she occasionally begs me to attend some service with her (important services and events), which I did because of love. She needed to show me off to her members and pastors. Now, the kids are older, so she goes with the children, while I am home alone. I work half day most Sundays anyway.

With my mum, it was hard while growing up. I only had reprieve when I entered university. I left home not so long after graduation. She has come to accept me about being irreligious. We have never had discussion on theism or atheism.

raptex:
How do I break the news that I'm no more a Christian to my parents.My Dad doesn't take it lightly with me and my siblings if we decide not to attend church programmes

Why do you want to break the "news" that you are an atheist to anyone? Is your becoming an atheist newsworthy?

I have been an atheist for over 30 years and I had never broken the "news" to anyone.

I just don't participate in any religious activity, I don't join my family in all the prayers they do. My mum still come to my house and hold morning devotion every morning. Only my children participate in the earning morning prayers. My wife hold night vigils with her friends in my house every Friday night. I only warn them not to make noise.
Everyone I interact with knows I don't care about religion and have learnt to let me be.

My philosophy is live and let live. As long as you do not disturb me, I will not disturb you.

Becoming an Atheist to be is like achieving self realisation, a kind of nirvana, it is not a news worthy event.

From the pictures, there are machete wounds all over the pigs body, that indicates that the pig was not killed by one person but by at least two people wielding machetes. There is no way one person with a machete can cut the back of an attacking wild pig. These animals are very strong and fast.

It is evidenced, in the fact that it took two people to carry the pig out of the bush.

Still yet, it takes bravery and skill for even two people to kill a big adult wild pig.

Adakintroy:
Just like I am saying it with utmost certainty. It works. And I have heard it from the horses mouth.

Speak for yourself.

Abeg, how will you know with utmost certainty that it works? i mean how will you know that a person is actually delivered from (the spirit of) homosexuality and his long john will not rise for another man? Will you lock the person in a room with both sexes and observe which one will arouse the person delivered or we simply take his word for it.
There has to be some sort of verification for all these fantastic deliverance tales.

Adakintroy:
You really need to start in unlearning friend. It will help.

Am a sociologist do you really think datas. Can prove anything in this case. But let's go with that data for the sake of argument. Christians and Muslims already comprise the greater of the population. 58% ( now the prevail thinking of that group still lean toward non acceptance so we can conclude that the whole group do).

The other datas also clearly showed other religious group. With only 16% showing group that are outside religion. Now if only 16% is outside the group ( we have not even explored that 16% percent for their thought ls yet). What about the rest of the groups.

The rest we say are made up of also religious group. Which the last time I checked shared similar thinking patterns. Hence they are grouped as religion in the first place. Now ask yourself how many of this other religious group if you probe further will support homosexuality in the real sense.

That's for your data.

But for common sense. No group that has attain self awareness will support homosexuality. Because all groups like living organism wants to grow, expand and dominate. If they cant breed and reproduce,how will they aim to achieve this from the gate go?

As a claimed sociologist, you are not doing justice you your field. You are arguing like a theologist.

First you are arguing from a religious point of view, arguing that it was your religious standard that made you criminalise homosexuality. Later you opined that the two prominent religions in the world abhor homosexuality and so it should be criminalised. When I pointed out that 40% of the world is neither Christian nor Muslim, your are now including other religions, except the 16% that is said to be irreligious. You are now even talking about the homophobic views of the 16%.

Interesting....
Now it was you that devided up homophobic views along religious lines. Which is clearly not appropriate. There are more homos among the religious group especially among Christians and Muslims than among irreligious group. I am certain most of the homos in the US and UK are Christians. Just last week, it was in the news that thousands of boys were sexually abuse in Pennsylvania over the course of a decade, the story is the same for Australia and most of the western world.

The catholics (and the Anglicans and other orthodox churches) are at least open, I am sure the pentecostals where they elevate their leaders to the status of a diety are worse. Such atrocities can never be reveals in pentecostal churches.

Homosexuality has little to do with religion. I am yet to see an atheist who claim to be a homosexual.

Adakintroy:
Christ said don't think I come to accuse you before the father. But I know of one who will accuse you. Moses in whom you trust.

I honestly do not understand the relevance of this your post with the topic at hand. There were homos before Christ, there were homos during christ (it was even worse during the time of christ because homosexuality was prevalent during the roman empire), and there are homos today. There were even homos before moses.
Jesus christ did not even bother with homos.

Funny thing is that am not the one accusing homos. You are.

Now you are lying. In your post you are the one accusing homos of committing chrime against humanity.

in Christianity we try at list to conduct deliverance. Now it's what we believe wholeheartedly. If a person is cured he is reborn into the system properly. And therefore has a nutUral balance.

You said in Christianity. Other religions conduct their own rituals also. You can only do deliverance on people who believe in the deliverance.

Now consider science with all its boastfulness in endless posibilities. For a phenomenon that lay claim to this it was quick to concluded and accept and obvious abnormality don't you think?

You hold so much disdain for science, but you are enjoying the fruits of science. Your life and in fact your survival depends on science. If the people that sacrificed their lives to discover scientific breakthroughs had the same disdain for science and only hoped on religion, your life will be much different.

You are obviously very ignorant, homosexuality is not an abnormality. You should read up on sexuality and the sex genes.