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obixcel:
President Trump and the Republican Party are not against Immigrants, Trump had stated clearly he's against Illegal Immigration, and besides the Democrats once stood on that platform too. [color=#990000 And what did you say Nationalism connoted? That's your own fictitious definition you just made up. [/color] Trump rolled back Obama's economic policies and guess what? The economy is doing brilliantly, and Obozo is still sweating trying to take credit for it. You guys should just take a pill and chill, November 6, we'll know how far.

I already explained to you what nationalism connotes. Nationalism connotes a false sense of superiority, that is what differentiates it from patriotism. This false sense of superiority often lead to break up of countries (usually through conflicts), lead to discrimination by such nationalist groups and often lead to dictatorship.
The confederates claim they were nationalists and we're pursuing a nationalist agenda.
Read this link for balanced arguments on nationalism -
[https://blog.oup.com/2018/02/nationalism-ideology-war/

obixcel:
It's unfortunate that you have lost millions of microscopic brain cells all because of Trump What's the correlation between someone saying he's a "Nationalist" and then a suspicious package sent to the Clintons and Obama and even at CNN's building What does one has to do with the other? *smh*

I already explained the correlation between "nationalism" and violence. Nationalism according to the "reformed republican party" under the leadership of Trump, connotes hate for Obama, Clinton, Democratic Party, media, immigrants, Muslims (poor ones), LGBT and others with different opinions, in that order.

When you listen to an average election campaign speech by republicans it's words like lock him/her up, stops immigrants from coming and such rhetorics that fires up the crowd.

The republicans dont even bother to run on issues anymore. Just anti-Obama, Clinton, and Pelosi advertisements are enough to rally the Base.

coluka:
Our own Nnamdi Azikiwe and obafemi Awolowo also described themselves as nationalists. I guess they were evil then? You liberals are big jokers, You go and cherry pick things and try to pass it off as the standard norm. So you are claiming that because all these bad guys you named up there called themselves nationalists then anyone who describes themselves as nationalist must be evil. Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein and Osama bin laden described themselves as Muslims, does that make anyone who described himself as a Muslim bad? Hitler and mussolini also described themselves as Christian, does that make everyone who says I am a Christian bad? Kim il sung was Buddhist so anyone who describes themselves as Buddhist must be evil then. This your argument is just a fallacy of faulty generalization

Nationalism refers to the feeling that your country is superior to all other countries, despite its flaws.

Patriotism refers to love and support for your country, wanting to improve its flaws to make it better.

Also..
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Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first;
nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first - Charles de Gaulle

NobleAjare:
So he should stay and get killed by the blood thirsty Buhari boys abii?
Una try well well

Question;

Are you not afraid that you could be re-arrested as the Federal Government has begun that move?

Kanu;
I don’t care! Quote me verbatim.If I’m re-arrested, this country will burn, I assure you. From where that oil money they depend on, they can no longer have access to it. I assure them that. This is not empty threat.We’re IPOB, we don’t abandon our own.

https://www.google.com.ng/amp/sunnewsonline.com/nnamdi-kanu-explodes-nigeria-ll-burn-if-im-re-arrested/amp/

holyeye1989:
Mumu post Even Jesus fled....many times before he completed his assignments.....right from Day one Messiah keep hiding despite all his powers....

Jesus for no run from herod naa.....mumu

Please provide us with chapter and verse where jesus fled.

Nwanna2588:
Nnamdi Kanu was not wrong to flee from being killed. Prior to the invasion, the NA perfected plan to kill him. There is no justification for that invasion of his residence. The NA violated the sanctity of his residence with the sole aim of killing him.
It was a sensible decision to not stay and lose his life.

If kanu knew he did not have liver to confront the Nigerian Army, why did he make the following threat?

“Tell Buhari that I’m in Aba and any person who comes to arrest Nnamdi Kanu in Biafra land will die here"
- http://www.aitonline.tv/post-nnamdi_kanu_sends_direct_threat_speech_to_president_buhari

Yyeske:
The writer never said he should stay and be killed, what he's trying to say is he and other Nigerians were deceived by IPOB that Kanu was either abducted or killed by the soldiers and of course he was among those who insulted the soldiers for the act but not knowing he was being misled by IPOB propaganda.
That's the reason for the apology to the Nigerian army.
Remember that till date, nobody dead or alive had shown us pictures of soldiers that day aside a video uploaded by a guy running all around with crackers and fireworks sound heard in the background.
All was stage managed by Kanu to ease his escape.

Exactly? IPOB and Emma Powerful has been accusing the Nigerian army that it abducted or killed Kano. Many people had been protesting (at the risk of arrest and even death) on the streets for the army to release Kanu. His sureties also argued in court that they could not produce Kanu because he was being held by the army. His lawyer, his sympathisers (like FFK and Fayose) and other ordinary members of IPOB believed he was killed or abducted by the army.

Now, that it has been found our to be a lie and an elaborate deceit, don't all these people owe the army and apology?
Just like the case of crying wolf when there is non, would people still come out to protest if the army or other government agencies actually abduct or kill Kanu or any IPOB member?

I don't understand IPOB's strategy but it is wrong to lie and deceive it's own followers and supporters, and allow them to risk their lives needlessly.

Police arrest women protesting nude of IPOB leader Nnamdi Kanu
- https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/theeagleonline.com.ng/amp/police-arrest-women-protesting-nude-of-ipob-leader-nnamdi-kanu


IPOB lady collapses during protest held for Nnamdi Kanu in Imo
- https://www.nigerianbulletin.com/threads/ipob-lady-collapses-during-protest-held-for-nnamdi-kanu-in-imo-–-laila’s-blog.335815/

johnydon22:
And God created Adam and Eve and put them in a perfect garden. The tree of life and death was with God and then God thought to himself;

"I should put that tree right into the garden"

"Jesus! What do you think? I am gonna put that tree into the garden"

"What?" Jesus yelled "Are you kidding me right now? That's a horrible idea"

"Ooooh i am going to put it" God smirked

"Common!!!" Jesus yelled and other inhabitants of heaven just looked on.

And so it happened, that God put the tree he didn't want anybody to eat from right into the middle of the garden where the only 2 people who possibly could eat it lived.

And then, he called Adam and Eve and said "See, you guys can eat from every tree in this garden but not that one"

"What?" Eve yelled

"Why did you put it here then?" Adam queried

God rolled his eyes "Hey, Hey, common guys, see, i am serious. Nobody should eat from that tree"

Do you know the first thing the b-itch did? Totally eat the fruit and gave it to Adam.

Back in heaven, Jesus and God watched with open mouth as Adam and Eve munched the juicy fruit like their lives depended on it.

And God slowly turned to Jesus and said "You do know i'm gonna have to have you killed for this right?"

Jesus chuckled at the perceived subtle joke then it dawned on him, God never jokes.

"WTF!!!"

You got your tree wrong. The fruit of the tree Adam and Eve ate was from the tree of knowledge and not the tree of life. After Adam and Eve eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge and acquired knowledge the Hebrew God had to guard the tree of life with 2 cherubs holding flaming swords to prevent them from eating from its fruit, else man would have become immortal .

hahn:
But Jesus was in heaven at the beginning of creation, wasn't he?



If you wake up after 3 days and your friends still have to go to hell for their sins then why did you die in the first place?

3 days for where? Jesus was not even dead for up to two days. He was said to have been dead around the 9th hour (3PM) on Friday and was seen resurrected before dawn on Sunday morning. That's approximately 40 hours.

And what is the total number of registered voters in the whole of the South East, and what is the actual number of people that would come out to vote? Remember IPOB will issue election boycott as usual.

Kano alone will provide more voters than the south east.

CityNGR:
We are not teaching the lifeless one

Abeg teach me how Atiku would sell petrol N100 per litre when the landing cost of petrol is between N150 to N200 per litre? Is he prepared to use our whole budget for subsidising petrol?

how? Through excessive subsidy?

budaatum:
And I am simply disagreeing with you, and stating that it was just much harder for women to come out and state what had happened to them, but are much bolder today.

In the past, most would claim it was the woman's fault that she was assaulted, and that she deserved it because she was scantily dressed, or was in the rapist's bedroom etc, excuses we are way more enlightened than to accept today.

Sexual assault has always been a negative thing and the fact that people kept quiet about it because of the unfavourable response they got if they reported it should not be seen as an acceptance of it. It was bad then and is bad now.

It seems you did not read the linked article. Sex and "sexual assault " especially by high school teens was popular culture then. Many popular high school comedy films portrayed and found "sexual assault " very entertaining. I can name many of such films we grew up on. Many musicians and musical lyrics in the 80s became very popular singing songs about sexual exploitation and harassment of girls. Such songs would not be accepted today.

Even here in Nigeria apart from wild parties, we had LITS (literary and debating society) events most Saturdays, where various students from all surrounding schools for academic and not so academic competitions. After the actual events, boys and girls get together for all sorts of wild fun.

budaatum:
I do not agree that teens in the 80s "drug girls at high school house parties where the girls were later “gang raped” anymore more than they are today. In fact, I'd say it happens more today than it did in the 80s if just for the fact that rape drugs are much more available today than they were in the 80s!

The only thing that's changed from the 80s is that women don't just keep quiet anymore and have become more vocal about it. “I was in high school in the 1980s. Gang rape was viewed as a horrible crime then, too.”

I was not making a case for rape (gang or otherwise) in the 80s, my point is many of the behaviours that is termed sexual assault was not considered as such then, especially among pop and high school culture.

Outright rape was still highly frowned upon.

wirinet:
Did you read what I said at all? I said teen parties in the 80s were wild. Boys get drunk and do all sorts of things with girls. Even the girls were not innocent.

I said pinning girls to a wall and kissing her or even grabbing some sensitive parts were not considered sexual assault then. It was all a game then, girls play hard to get and guys try to show machoness. Except the girls were raped they didn't make any issue of out it.

Lots of popular teenage movies then showed wild teenage parties featuring drinks, drugs and what will be considered today as sexual assault. Popular groups such as 2 live crew sang lyrics that would be considered as promoting sexual assault of women then.

Attitude towards sex and even unwanted touching of women only started to change in the 2010s.

It was only recently that any unpermitted touching of any part of a woman is considered sexual assault. Now you can be accused of raping your wife.

I am certain that even Dr. Ford did not see it as a big deal then, as I am sure she too must have drank some alcohol and attended a few wild parties where guys "sexually assaulted" her. She did not mention it for years. I am sure she is bringing it up now probably because of promptings from Democrats to scuttle Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation. She did not bring up the case all these years as Kavanaugh climbed up the judicial ladder.

I remember a few wild parties my friends and I organized then.

To further collaborate the teen attitude to sex in the 80s read this article;

The rape culture of the 1980s, explained by Sixteen Candles

But if there’s one thing we can take away from the popular culture of the 1980s, when the alleged events took place, it’s that a sexual assault at that time might not have been immediately clear as what it was, for participants and observers alike. Some of the most popular comedies of the ’80s are filled with supposedly hilarious sequences that portray what in 2018 would be unambiguously considered date rape.
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https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/9/27/17906644/sixteen-candles-rape-culture-1980s-brett-kavanaugh

stanech:
“Kavanaugh got too angry when Democrat Senators accused him of gang rape on national tv in order to ruin his life”

Is the dumbest of all takes.

The. Dumbest.

Rumours has it that Trump told him to strongly deny the allegations and that he should not show any weakness.
Guessed he took the advice and bit too far.

budaatum:
How does US have interests in the south China sea? Is that not the equivalent of China declaring interest in the Gulf of Mexico?

The same way the US has interest in the Persian Gulf (US navy 5th fleet), the same way the US has interest in Niger (airforce drone based in Agadez), the same way the US showed interest in the Gulf of Guinea (they were refused a based here by the Obasanjo regime).

The US has numerous interests around the world.

stanech:
Really? So putting the interest of my country first above the interest of other countries leads to war. Wow !

What will happen if China puts in interests first and the US also puts it's interests first in the south China sea?

itchie:
Another wrong conclusion from you, Trump has not said he doesn't consider other nations interests too, all he is saying is that America's interest will be his number one priority and that's what every President should do. I wouldn't be happy if the president of my country put other country's interest above my country's interest. My country's interest should be my presidents number one priority

No one is saying a president should not consider his country's interest as a priority, what I am telling you is that you cannot discount other countries interest too. For example if the US does not consider Mexico's interest and Mexico becomes unstable, it will have grave consequences for US interests.

If he disregards china's interests as he doing and starts all sorts of unnecessary conflicts, it will have grave consequences for US interests in North Korea and the world at large.

Interests are like an equilibrium, you strike the most optimal balance between your interests and the interests of your friends and allies.

Now tell me why Trump is angry at China for protecting it's interest by imposing tariffs on US agricultural products, when trumps is protecting the US interest by imposing tariffs on Chinese goods?

stanech:
My God is this a joke ?

Sorry but you seem not to know or understand the history of the planet.

itchie:
I know all about Hitler and Trump is nothing like Hitler, Trump is not racist, And there is nothing wrong with an American President putting America first

You are wrong, putting America first without considering other nation's interests eventually leads war.
Putting ones nations interest first above all other interests was what led to so many wars in history. Subduing to some extent your own interests in the interest of all is what led to the planet having its most peaceful period in the history of mankind.

If Trump breaks down that tradition formed after WW2 and promote every nation for itself, then we will be back to our ignoble past.

America might feel so powerful now and feel it can impose it's interests on everyone, but power does not reside with one nation forever.

Appleyard:
Are you even listening to yourself? Is it mandatory that all people that got drunk at some points must be involved in sexual assaults? Does it ever occur to you that you can be drunk in a place where there are no ladies? Your excuses of being drunk in the 80s lack substance and just don't hold water in reality. You can be drunk without touching or insurting a woman, just the same way someone can be high on drugs and still tell someone else he is not fit to drive.

Did you read what I said at all? I said teen parties in the 80s were wild. Boys get drunk and do all sorts of things with girls. Even the girls were not innocent.

I said pinning girls to a wall and kissing her or even grabbing some sensitive parts were not considered sexual assault then. It was all a game then, girls play hard to get and guys try to show machoness. Except the girls were raped they didn't make any issue of out it.

Lots of popular teenage movies then showed wild teenage parties featuring drinks, drugs and what will be considered today as sexual assault. Popular groups such as 2 live crew sang lyrics that would be considered as promoting sexual assault of women then.

Attitude towards sex and even unwanted touching of women only started to change in the 2010s.

It was only recently that any unpermitted touching of any part of a woman is considered sexual assault. Now you can be accused of raping your wife.

I am certain that even Dr. Ford did not see it as a big deal then, as I am sure she too must have drank some alcohol and attended a few wild parties where guys "sexually assaulted" her. She did not mention it for years. I am sure she is bringing it up now probably because of promptings from Democrats to scuttle Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation. She did not bring up the case all these years as Kavanaugh climbed up the judicial ladder.

I remember a few wild parties my friends and I organized then.

itchie:
Hahahaha , what won't I hear on nairaland? A civil war in America because Trump is president? Lol , then you better go and get your weapons ready because Trump is not leaving anytime soon.

It's not about Trump, but the widening gap and division between the liberals and the Trumpians (not republicans). Even if Trump is impeached or serves out his term(s), a new republican administration would continue with the racist, nationalist and America first policy.
Read up on how and why Hitler won the election in Germany and imposed nationalist Germany first policies.

stanech:
But he did not deny any of those things. He never said he did not drink he only said he did not assault or rape anyone... He did not.

That's where the OBVIOUS lie is. I grew up in the 80s so I know it's impossible to party and get drunk without "sexually assaulting" girls. The problem is the definitiion of sexual assault in 2010s is not the same as sexually assault in the 1980s. Pinning a girl to the wall at a drunken party was not termed sexually assault in the 80s. If you Look at all the teenage comedies we watched and enjoyed in the 80s, you will scream sexual abuse today. Go and watch all the national lampoon films.

Appleyard:
I will tell thee:

1. Melanie Trump is a Russian agent

2. Kavanaugh while in high school took Agbor weed

3. Trump has a child outside wedlock

4. Putin has a mole inside the Witehouse

At this point, I feel sorry for the Dumbocrats who can't take a defeat. It's going to be a bloodbath come November 6, and I can see some of the stains here already.

Pathetic sore losers.

Now tell me why Trump is afraid to criticise putin? He had criticised every other foreign leader in the world but he can never open his mouth or his tweet to say anything against putin.

Why does he believe putin over all his intelligent organisations? He seems ready to sacrifice the US interests for putin 's interests.

obixcel:
Sorry! the public repubicans had already heard from both sides when they testified. The Democrats should even be thanking the FBI for not questioning Ford any further cos we all know her stories have been changing ever since the allegations came out, and I don't think they can hold up. She has already perjured herself.

In reality, I do not support bringing up issues from ones youth to disqualify someone from office. My quarrel with Kavanaugh is the lies. Why lie?
The accusations were not rape but sexual assault. He could simply have said I might have done some few things in my teens I now regret. Maybe we drank a bit too much and did what we should not have, but I did not rape anyone. I apologise for all wrongs and pains I might have caused. One think I can say is that I had lived an exemplary life as an adult and have pursued the highest degree of moral and professions conduct.

Believe me I would have supported him, because in the 80s we all did naughty things in our teens. Even Obama admitted to smoking marijuana.

stanech:
Is this going to be a civil discourse or are we going to start cursing when we run out of points.

Sorry if I sound insultive, I hate lies with passion. The topic of discussion is sexual assault allegations by three women and Trump supporters want to make it about drunkenness, and then bringing Obama into an unrelated issue.

itchie:
The Democratic party cry babies have started whining all over again after reading the FBI report. Kavanaugh has had seven background investigations by the FBI and these losers are still crying that it's not thorough enough. Trump says that even if the FBI does 100 background checks on Kavanaugh, these losers will still not be satisfied and he is right

An FBI investigation that the accusers and key witnesses were not questioned? What kind of investigation is that?
At the rate trump and his white supremacist, misogynistic and nationalistic supporters are going, the US might be pushed into a second civil war. The difference being that this time, lots of blacks would fight on the side of the confederates (slave owners).

stanech:
Obama: I used illegal drugs in my teens and I got into fights

Media butt kissers: We love you Barack, we have thrills up our legs

Kavanaugh: I drank in my teens and college

Same Media loons: You’re a serial sex abuser, gang rapist, and a helpless drunk with a bad temperament.

You are lying and twisting facts.
No woman came out to accuse Obama of sexual lying assaulting her in high school, three women has come out to accuse Kavanaugh. The issue is about sexual assaults and not drunkingness. The issue about drunkingness is about kavanaugh lying that he never passed out due to being drunk, to which most of his former classmates and course mates disagree. He is accused of lying under oath.

You guys are pathetic. Your god started a trade war with China and are now crying get when China decided to hit back. You guys slammed tarrifs on Chinese goods you like but want to dictate which goods China should retaliate with.

Take this to the bank, US can't win any war - trade or otherwise, with China right now. China has far more allies at the moment that your Trump's US.

I agree 100%, Tambuwal is the only person with the credibility in PDP that has a chance of defeating Buhari in a free and fair elections. He is scandal free and seem fairly credible.
Atiku, Saraki, Kwakwanso, Lamido, and all other old guard has serious credibility problems.

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