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Fake story.

It is not a smear campaign if it is true which it is.

chatinent:
Speak for yourself, man.

He is an Ipob member.

Bandits never repents, they will be back after squandering government bribe.

You are the wrong person!
You couldn't take care of yourself while single but you thought it wise to engage in a
family-sponsored marriage.
Did your family also promise to help you run your marriage financially?

Your wife didn't force you to do anything, you agreed to it even though you could have said no.
Forget what you see in Hollywood, love is overrated and is insufficient to run a stable marriage.

All I can see from this story is a man suffering from financial woes and trying to blame his wife for it.

One way to reduce your stress going forward is to stop accepting suggestions that you will end up regretting later on.

Big lie.

Blaming Buhari for everything is like whining. We know the ones federal shud handle and the ones States can handle etc..

It will be a waste of time educating you about the role of the federal government, especially when you agree that "they are all bad" is a reasonable solution to rising insecurity.
You can call it whatever you want. Going by the first part of your post, you don't know anything.

Denique:
It keeps getting worse because the foundation is faulty. I'm not holding brief for him. I'm not a fan but, he isn't our only problem. They all are!

Trump 2.0
Avoid the glaring problem facing the country but blame other people especially those not in charge for it
while profferring a non-solution.
SMH

Pochettino:
Just because it is now common doesn't mean it is not advanced tech.

Using a cellphone is advanced tech
Rockets have been going 2 space for decades but its advanced tech
Planes despite being common are also advanced tech cuz humans aren't supposed to be able to fly

Searching images online is no mean feat bro. Just be thankful Google gave it to you free. If na Microsoft or Apple... hmmmm

Bow and arrows were once "advanced tech", so were vacuum tubes.
You seem to be stuck in the past. The image searching service is neither free nor advanced.

NAF used fake images but this from Sahara is laughable.

A check by SaharaReporters using advanced technology

Nothing really advanced about searching images on Google.

See the so-called patriot calling her country a "zoo".
SMH

How many of the criminals have been jailed?

Karlovic:
The Divided States of America, I hope they won't spend the next 4 years blaming Trump the same way the vegetable and the midget have been blaming PDP for their failures.

Same way Trump was blaming Obama for his coronavirus response?
Fortunately, most Americans(even Trump supporters) aren't like Trump.
They may complain or oppose policies of certain parties or candidates but expecting to be
spoonfed and blaming the past officials for their personal failure is not what they do.

AbijaJ:
All those mentioning Sowore don't know what they are talking about. Sowore would become a monster if he tastes power, due to his 'saviour complex'. Most African sit-tight dictators were once either 'freedom fighters', or 'activists'. Even Musevini himself was one of those that helped chase Idi-Amin from power, only to become a sit-tight dictator himself.

Kwame Nkrumah helped Ghana gain independence, only for him to want to become president-for-life till he was toppled by the military.

Chiluba of Zambia is another case in point, there are also Mugabe of Zimbabwe, Isaias Afweki of Eritrea, Kagame of Rwanda, Fidel Castro of Cuba, etc.

Sowore already shows traits of intolerance, which when mixed with political power would quickly transform him into a typical African tyrant and dictator. All of them be the same.

It is refreshing to find posts from Nairalanders who really understand power and politics.

studentofTruth:
In your opinion, what are the criteria for tagging someone a fraudster? Owning a computer and working from home?

What are the criteria for tagging someone a drunk driver, a pickpocket, or a corrupt politician?
I am certain you are not against parading one of those groups as a suspect even though they are innocent
until proven guilty. Why should the police even arrest any suspect that has not been convicted yet?

What is special about fraud suspects?
Overspeeding drivers, burglars, thieves, and assassins get paraded but Dele wants special treatment for fraudsters.
He should take it a step further and demand that their trials be conducted in total secrecy since they have not been convicted.

Money miss road dumb ass.

This people has the uncanny ability to mismanage a very simple process.
SMH

I agree. It would have been better for Trump's dangerous tweets to be removed and his account suspended with a warning for a few hours each time he violates Twitter's rule. This approach would have been more devastating to Trump's ego.

But Merkel herself is a hypocrite. Germany throws people in jail for denying the holocaust and she has never complained about it.

The funny thing is that progressive Democrats hate social media owners because they are "too rich" and wouldn't mind dismantling them. Twitter will likely pay for this decision because they have no real friends in either the Democrat or Republican camp.

Trump to launch Trumpter soon.

Twitter didn't think this through. A temporary suspension anytime they breach the rules would have been better.
With this ban, the affected will migrate to a shadowy social media site and take their cult members with them.
One thing you don't do when fighting cultists is push them to isolate their members where the public can't see them.
Zuckerberg is much smarter in his response.

mosegifted:
How are these guys doing this thing self, because man pikin don hustle ooo, still we never break any record, abi their own hustle carry tag from heaven come?

Capital and brains.

What a joke.

We are getting there.

Starmario:
First another set of students have been kidnapped... We should start with that

This is irrelevant. How does this change the question of whether you support ransom or not?
Are you willing to participate in a protest against paying the ransom?

My first point was the government must have paid a ransom because the boys couldn't have been released for free so they should be truthful
Now the ransom has encouraged another kidnapping

This is funny. Even kids know that ransom is always paid to secure releases.
What is the point of being truthful?
"Hello Nigerians, we paid 1 billion Naira to secure the boys release, what a great job we did!"
After such a truthful statement, do you think Nigerians will clap or kidnappers will have a change of heart?
We Nigerians like to dwell on pointless issues.

Secondly you don't negotiate with criminals... It's totally wrong because you are giving the criminals a say in the issue and stops it from being a crime

You are still beating about the bush.
Do you agree with this statement? I absolutely want the government to stop paying a ransom. I want them to always invade the bases of kidnappers for rescue and I see no problem in the hostages losing their lives.

Secondly you don't negotiate with criminals... It's totally wrong because you are giving the criminals a say in the issue and stops it from being a crime

Everyone negotiates with criminals. Real-life is not the same as movies. The stats are out there for anyone interested. Criminals always have a say in crime issues until they are arrested and that doesn't stop it from being a crime.

Third war is different from terrorism.... If a pope intervene in a war, is not the same with intervening and negotiating with terrorist think it through

There is no difference. Negotiations are a valid means of resolving conflict anywhere in the world. The US is currently negotiating with Taliban terrorists. That is real life for you.


Finally, this thread hits the front page about parents kicking against the use of force:
https://www.nairaland.com/6312756/katsina-abduction-rescue-children-dont

No one seems to condemn the parent for suggesting negotiations but they came out in force after the schoolboys release.
That is all the proof needed to show the insincerity in this debate.

This is expected.
Kidnappings will continue as long as the government and the citizens fully support ransom payments.

Starmario:
Well it'd a great thing to know that the boys are safe again, but we should be intelligent here...

Who does a negotiation and release without bases, on what ground were the boys released for free

Who told you the boys were released for free?
Don't tell me you don't understand the reason behind the conflicting statements by various government actors. The government
will never acknowledge paying a ransom.
The bandits certainly made a kill with this kidnap.

Having to negotiate with terrorist doesn't it give them encouragement for more terror

Yes, it does. But the question you have to ask is whether the government or the Nigerian people are ready to start making tough calls.
That is, stopping all ransom payments and attempting to rescue victims with resultant massive deaths.

If a legal group is close or linked to a terror group are we to close eyes or raise eyebrows

This isn't a problem at all. Only a group close to a criminals can negotiate outcomes.
The pope negotiated peace between warring South Sudanese, do you think the pope is a warlord?
Aisha didn't even call for banning or even charging Miyetti Allah. That is what I would expect from her if she believes they are criminals. But she didn't. She
is essentially saying nothing.

We should grow up ni.... It's good do say the boys are free but the who process was wrong and gives room for more rubbish

There is nothing wrong with the process unless paying ransom was illegal which it isn't.
If Aisha or you has clearly stated that the government should stop negotiating with bandits and not pay ransoms, I would be okay with that. But that is not what you guys are saying.

You want the boys back safe but don't want to confront the issue. No criminal will kidnap over 300 boys and release them for free.
There are only 2 options to resolve the case. Pay the ransom or attempt a rescue which will result in massive deaths.
It doesn't matter how the ransom was paid or who negotiated it, ransom is a ransom.

If he could do that, bandits would have ended. He should take it further by asking them to surrender to the police.

Agbegbaorogboye:
You really believed ransom wasn't paid in this case?

No, I believe that ransom was paid. So, there is no point in delaying if the government will eventually pay a ransom.

Your submission is why I asked what inhibitor the govt is planning or has ransom payment become an official state policy? If so, I think you'll agree the end can't be palatable.

Ransom payment is the policy. That is what Nigerians want.

No country in the world will be okay with a policy of killing hostages with the kidnappers. No democratic country at least. That's why such countries have highly trained special forces for such missions, backed up with tech. I wonder and I want you to reason with me how the US forces were able to come upon the kidnappers undetected and take them all out without them having the time to kill the hostage. I expect this govt should be building capacity in that regard if we don't have which seems pretty obvious.

The detail of the operation would never be released but I assure it isn't as rosy and smooth as you think. It was a gamble and it works. America has a long list of failed rescue attempts. It is not as if Nigeria has never rescued victims from kidnappers without paying the ransom. It is much easier to attempt moving on kidnappers with few victims but 300? the result would be a massive death.

My point is that the solution is to make kidnapping non-lucrative but it will definitely come with high body counts before we get there.

Agbegbaorogboye:
The boys were never going to be handed to BH. And even if they were handed to BH, so were the dapchi girls and this govt got them back. What is obvious in all these is that this govt has a strong line of communication with BH and bandits. Also BH and bandits have a strong link and connection.

Dapchi girls weren't rescued, ransom was paid for them even though the government wouldn't come out with the truth.
What is the point of letting Boko haram get hold of the boys?
I see no reason why paying a ransom to bandits is worse than paying to Boko haram.

Both have now learned they can make money from staging kidnaps so the question is now that they have a catalyst for their behaviour, what inhibitor is govt having in mind?

This isn't new. Boko haram and bandits have been making money from kidnapping for years. They didn't just learn now.
The only alternative is an armed rescue but the government wasn't willing to sacrifice the boys to dissuade future kidnappers. We can't stop kidnapping without stopping ransom payment but when and where should that policy start and will Nigerians be okay with such policy and its attendant deaths?

odehsun:
Well the lives of this school boys are important but we should be careful of not creating rooms for kidnapping to become a norm.

It is already the norm. Bandits know that they will almost always get paid when they kidnap people.

If you pay ransome for release, you will continue to pay. If you negotiate with criminals for once, you will continue to negotiate.

The ship has sailed. Many government agents, operatives, politicians and VIPs have paid ransom and kidnappers know that the Nigerian people will always support ransom payment. Just check people's response to the Katsina kidnapping. It was overwhelmingly to bring back the boys without harm.

I doubt if any Nigerian government has the political will to break the kidnapping cycle because of
the propaganda value of hostage deaths due to botched rescues. The truth is that most rescue operations will fail.

American Govt. Don't negotiate, you kill an American, you get a colossal damages

While it is a general principle for the US government to not pay ransom for its agent or operatives. It is legal for citizens' family
to pay ransom. The American government also negotiate sometimes when the target is high value even with terrorists.

Watchout.