₦airaland Forum

y not?

Thia is an interesting/educative tread and i must admit we have some healthy folks on here. Katsumoto has a lucid and coherent way of delivering his point that I'm gonna vote for you.

What you see in the social world depend mainly on where you stand - whether you are a realist, liberal or conservative will reflect your judgment and decisions. So there is really no best point of view, its just mine and yours.

cap28 says Obama is working for the elites then i have to implore him to point out a single US president that has taken the opposite direction since Woodrow Wilson. The fact is that the system was designed for the elites, the America Federal Reserve System is the legitimate legal fiscal entity with a Congressional delegated mandate to coin and print money, manage credit and the banking industry, to ensure the American economy maintains stability and health YET it is not either controlled or regulated by the American government . I think it is safe to say the restrainer of the money system are the real owners of the system, they created the first depression, they have a fair share in this crisis and they print money out of nothing, lend it to the America government and take interest from it. Obama cannot do anything about this - it is bigger than him. That is a whole different story.

cap28 - you have to be a realist because your point is pure fact but unfortunately the world likes fiction more - so lets talk fiction.

MM2 (local) is cool though. Privatisation seems to be the only way out - the government cannot maintain anything like the private  - this is evident everywhere not only on Nigeria - Look at what happened to the telecommunication industry as soon as GSM/Private ownership was introduced. The only government owned GSM line (Mtel) is no where in the market.

Responsible and transparent privatisation has always been the key.

@ Kobojunkie your American diction is causing irritation over here . .  your effort to be on the American side is so glaring and annoying

Just to echo Tsiya's point on UN and Clinton. It is just alright tor America's secretary of state to order the spying of UN top dogs - asked for credit card fingerprint and all that - without apologizing even now that we are talking facts . .  it is about right for an autocratic ruler to call for the booming of a democratic state which will definitely lead to uncountable death, no one is saying anything about that they are rather bothered with trivial issues. The leak documents only revealed America for what they truly are- as opposed to placing lives in danger. They are hypocrites, a self interested empire that will stop at nothing to get what it wants.  People already know this -  the leak does nothing new

No life is at risk. It was the same WikiLeaks that posted a video of US soldier's atrocities in Iraq, they should be applauded -  J. Assange is like the tank man to me.

This is a huge blow to America foreign policy.  To think that Mrs. Clinton would order U.S. diplomats to spy on UN leaders and request for biographic and biometric information on UN Security Council permanent representatives is beyond my comprehension. They even bad mouthed Sarkozy as an unclothed emperor plus British PM - their closest allies.

I cannot tell where this will lead them - but it will certainly raise unanswered questions  . .  The damage control done by Mrs. Clinton is nothing

Atiku is too desperate probably one of the most frantic politician in Nigeria political history. It has personal ambition written all over it

GOSH i just watched it critically - she appeared to be disrespectful because Jonathan was nervous and too serious and while she was calm

loooooool

This guy's rhetoric is just dumb. How can you be loyal to a situation you seek to change? He wants to be seen as a humble loyalist calling for pity. And nigerians are falling for him. Well we don't have a better choice what we have is bad and worst choices

I would love to see that one.

They should build it we talk too much.

udeze:
If Nigerians are happy with the name Naija, then no offence, who even gave us that name called "Nigeria" b/c I'm sure it wasn't given by a Nigerian, I think it's time to change from Nigerian to Naija officially

I was kinda expecting someone to trow that up - British reporter Flora Shaw, who later married Lord Frederick Lugard, suggests that the country be named "Nigeria" after the Niger River in an essay which appeared in Times magazine on 8 January 1897. At the time of her suggestion she was just Lugard's girlfriend. . . hence this country was named by the girlfriend of a colonial administrator.

If we expand the argument to what is Original then Naija seems better been bottom-top. Mrs. Akunyili made a point but i think we should be able to debate this and know what the people think. . . . it is not enough to suggest that Naija means something it is not.

The poster is disgusting in character.  He is jealousy and when one is envious of another all he desires is that person’s downfall.  You take up your friend’s problem to a public forum as a case study - well we do not see how Olu's story fit into “Nigerians who disgrace us abroad” you are the one disgracing us with your attitude of covetous (typical Nigerian) – Olu will learn from his mistakes, get a good job and move on but your jealousy will continue forever if you don't look in the mirror.

There are Nigerians who retail drugs all around Europe and America, 419 and the rest of them IF you need a case to study.

EzeUche0:
Give it to the best man. . . or woman!

Thanks

Criminals incorporated

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jamace:
Why are the names of the 15 govs not given? Why only Tarfa Balogun and Nwude? EFCC should list the names of the govs and their properties and their locations just like was done about Cecilia Ibru, this will enable everybody know the crook govs and to keep eyes on the property should they revert to the crooks in future.

I couldn't have said it any better . . they are standing trial in secret.

cap28:
Then we will have to change our mindset, as it is we are content to sit back and imitate europe and america, every nation with exploitative tendencies has also had expansionist tendencies, do we have this kind of outlook? our way of thinking has been destroyed by colonialism and western religion. It has made us weak and directionless, we are simply not yet mentally equipped to think in those terms yet.

Obviously

Jbenue:
Social Capitalism is the way forward. Countries like Japan and Germany have pioneered this system to an extent. Where it failed for countries like Japan was their pension system which became a combersome, over bloated burden, that drained the state coffers. In my opinion the state should have nothing to do with pension, every working person should have their own private pension that in later life they can draw upon, the status quo now is that the younger generation are paying for the pension of the now retired because living + pay standards since the 70's have greatly increased.
there is a way to augment this quagmire, if the state was to ensure not only a minimum wage(already in place in 1st world) but also a maximum wage, even the poorest worker would get a bigger slice of the pie, hence he or she may invest more in their pension schemes. Due to thoroughly greedy capitalist lords  sadly i doubt this will ever happen. In England the government has been trying to  cap the wages of their highest earners but one nation cannot implement this. As courageous as it may be  it would also be economical suicide as there would be an Exodus of the most brilliant minds that drive the economy to other countries willing to indulge their greed. It has to be a consensus  agreement between all the countries especially the economic powers. I hope one day man will wake up from the capitalist  hypnosis it seems to be dancing to at the moment, I mean the worlds largest communist state China practises one of the most vitriolic brands of capitalism, a slight juxtaposition no? Sad really.

There is no reflection of independent thinking in your post.

drivel !

Let me give you guys a tip on how capitalism is the hegemony's way to control the economy/ exploit smaller countries.  Lets take the Multinational debate. multinational corporation (MNC) comes into a small country like - let's say Ghana and drives local competitors underground through artificial dumping (selling goods  a price below that charged in the domestic market ) just to secure the market from competitors- they have the financial strength and might to do that. The Multinational takes over the market in Ghana with time and control the pricing - this is bad because the multinational takes all profit to its headquarter usually in a developed economy to invest there. We have seen this in Nigeria's MNC like Shell cooperation that literally has no petrol-station in a country where they get raw material from - most of their properties are on lease. I  cannot think of the number of Shell stations i have seen in the UK alone.

Now America and friends tells you to open your economy so that such companies can come in and lift resources and profit back to them - criminals- the world bank and IMF uses this as loan terms and Africa leaders are too dumb to think it through.  This is what capitalism and liberalizing the economy means. . They know the exchange is not equal - they fix prices of our products and they want this to go on forever. . .  We need an little bit of an isolationist ideology

Kay 17:
A true Marxist communist system not Leninist! I'm strongly against the political monster in Leninist Communism.

At least we will all agree that capitalism is a step towards the future.

Tell me whats so wrong with Leninist Communism? If you are a true theorist you would understand that the world is sliding to socialism and then communism- this is unavoidable. It could take 1000 years but a classless world would come into view.

AjanleKoko:
No, no. We have enough natural resources, and we have the capital, human and intellectual. The social system is the key. Would you say that the UAE and Saudi, Oman and Qatar are not developed, simply because they are not massively exporting finished goods, or invading their neighbours?

The Europeans suffered from natural deprivations, which is why the story of riches in the West has been a story of expansion.

Well it is best that you understand my post word-by-word before you punch it. I will reproduce my line below

"If we Africans aspire to get developed as Europe we have to look for someplace to milk - this is the fact."

Now to your question on  UAE and Saudi, Oman and Qatar - they are relatively developed and developing countries it depends on who's talking and  who listens - my post touched on European type of development.  Why i said that in essence was not for us to think of how to develop the European way rather for us to define development wholly on our terms not on western terms. The western type of development cannot be possible without expliotation - thats my point.

ola olabiy:
^^^

No capitalist country without some form of intervention from the State.

You would rather live in Ireland and not Cuba, isn't it?

In reality no country practices full capitalism with no govt. intervention - where govt are only concerned with public goods. There is no such place on this planet . .

Also i think you read my post in reverse. I am not criticizing capitalism my friend- i just reported its historic/ tacit characteristics. This is not a matter of where i would rather live , this talk about capitalism been the only way to prosperity is a socially constructed one. The inequalities that capitalism creates is more than you we can imagine - The greatest crimes of humanity were instigated by selfishness which is the core value of capitalism . .

I am not a Marxist my friend, i never had been.

My opinion on capitalism?

I would like to take it back and make a judgment on whole ideal of liberalism which opens the room for capitalism or any economic configuration  based on private ownership of capital.  This system is fine except its demerits are never headlined but concealed. The truth is that someone has to fall for another to stand, this defines capitalism- historically and realistically.  This goes for both individual capitalistic system and more so with International system -  we just don't know it yet. The rise of Europe marked the fall of Africa - raw material and labor which are 2 of the three factors of wealth creation were extracted from Africa for almost free, the scramble for Africa led to the rise of Europe - and this is capitalism. The media won't say.  If we Africans aspire to get developed as Europe we have to look for someplace to milk - this is the fact. I got your question, what about the Asian giants like Japan and China? Well, Japan is the biggest "freeriders" in the world hegemonic structure- they attained that position during cold war - were allowed to trade on unrealistically favorable terms. This was a war tool more like the Marshall plan was a way of buying over the western Europe.

No Asian tiger followed the Rostovian take-off model/ or the so called modernization theory. China's development is still a mystery to economist - though it is safe to say they exploited free Chinese prison labor to take over markets through dumping.

I cannot believe how far from the question i have strayed -  well, my point is that capitalism is synonymous with exploitation - show me any developed economy, I will tell you who they exploited to make it there. The worst part is that Africa continent is been exploited today that it ever has been in the 17th century. The sudden interest of Chinese in Africa seems to question a lot . . .  and yes you heard me Africans are going through the biggest expliotation ever in history - through the configuration of International trade, unequal exchange and price control. Any credible political economist would help explain why labor is expensive in Europe. . if i can produce a tip- it is because labor is cheap in the so called third world. Technically, we are working to pay the labor of the so called first Nations,  . It could be through Education - which is now the obsession of Africans to study Abroad with unreasonable fees-  buying cheap raw materials and exporting the finish goods for profits. . Also Multinationals are imperialistic mechanism who milk locals and export the profit to their host countries- we have to understand this structures and how they make Africa RELATIVELY poor. There won't be rich or poor if its not in a  relative manner .

Eurocentric capitalism is the worst economic system on record - just it is the only reasonable one because our "masters" said so. Media made socialist bad in my opinion- Any credible economist would tell that the capitalism is not sustainable, hence the world must slide into socialism and then Communism. This is the truth, evident ion Europe and now America - - that's the case because capitalism is not sustainable. It could take 500 more yrs but the world must slide to communism.

Blazing99:
Nigerian occult movies would so miss this guy.

loooooooooool

His advisers are obviously/ deliberately bringing him down . . this makes Mr. President clueless in my opinion . Those he trust lied to him . . The Dokpesi text issue, broadcasted on national television,  The arrest and exonerating Mend - these are works of his advisers. There is a traitor inward or Jonathan is not as intelligent as i thought

I mean he should keep his mouth shut the way he did during the zoning debate.

mbulela:
there are no militants in Nigeria, only criminals.

I am on your side there.

Kobojunkie:
I don't think so. Henry Okah is MEND until proven not to be. All I see happening here is members of the same group fighting among each other with the Exes still pretending to be relevant while the one who never bailed is held down in another country for a crime he probably had a hand in committing but we are not sure of still.

Henry Okah knows nothing of the attack - his words . . Mend is fully responsible for the attack - their words

Jonathan tried to politicize the discussion to his favour - this is direct to me. Henry Okah was not even in Nigeria, so what is the basis of blaming him for the attack which Mend (in Nigeria) already claimed responsibility of.

Dede1:
There are too many loudmouthed punks from the so-called Niger Delta who are under the influence of akamere or ogogoro. They usually speak with great quality of daftness.

I think the northern leaders are quite in order if they should call for the impeachment of GEJ. Truly speaking, the presidency has shown lack of dedication to the rigorous job of running a country. It is mindboggling to know there is apparently no intelligent apparatus in Nigeria.

This case brings me full circle to the alleged case of taxi driver who ran into the motorcade of the president. GEJ must be seriously quizzed about what he knew, did or not do as a result of the bomb blast in Abuja. If GEJ is found guilty in dereliction of duty, I pray his dark arse should be impeached. 

It is funny many forum contributors continue to compare military Heads of State with democratically elected presidents.

GEJ failed for exonerating Mend, it makes Henry Okah’s argument valid to me.

Faeb:
Sharap and go look for someplace else to scratch your arse, cos there be fleas in there fcking up your puny mind!

lol

Kobojunkie:
Why are these stories coming out almost a week later? What is with these so called EX-militants? They seem to be trying every tactic possible to put this one on Okah somehow still removing MEND from it all. Something is really going on here. I do hope they do not succeed in hiding the truth in the end.

Something is actually going on, and Mend apologised for the attack claiming responsibility - now its Okah

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