₦airaland Forum

BabaRamota1980:
Democracy started in 1979. Fugitive pronstar is hidden in an undisclosed location, how is he going to save anyone?

You're still referring to Nnamdi Kanu as a IndecentStar at a critical moment as this?

amc:
Its no game. Its an unconventional war where the enemy is not visible. The same reasons why the USA military have not wiped out Taleban in over 10 years of fighting in Afghanistan.

The two situations are not the same. The US army is fighting a well entrenched Taliban group which was a government before the American intervention. The US army is fighting them in outside US territory plus the rocky terrain that the Taliban has mastered. Do you even know the population of the Taliban?
Compare that to the NA fighting a ragtag group within the Nigerian territory which is more a level ground with less hideouts. Incompetence and politics are the reasons for the lingering exchange.
Do you even know why bh don't operate anymore in Kano and Kaduna? Do you think it is improved security? Lol. If it is improved security, why do the fulanis still operate in Kaduna as they please in the form of bandits? You don't know what is in the offing for the naive.

babyfaceafrica:
There's no how a ragtag bh/iswap can be better armed than a standing army if the right things are done


This line is very false.. Is bh not better armed than chad, Cameroon, Niger and Nigerian forces

Do you really imagine that BH is armed like the Nigerian army? If you think so, then you clearly do not know about the politics at play with Boko haram. That the fulani led government are toying with the lives of Nigerian soldiers while pampering Boko haram doesn't mean that they can't be wiped out if a serious government wants to do so. BH has no armoured vehicles. Their mechanized/motorized guns are mostly improvised compared to what Nigeria have. They have no air support which the NA have yet you claim they're better equipped. Boko haram is clearly a game by northern politicians for three purposes namely; intimidation, looting and training. What is their manpower? 20,000, 30,000 or more? Can you compare that with the NA? It's all a game.

Ekekereuwa! emelu anyi ifea-eme? Kee mgbe anyi ga eteta n'ura? Ifele n'emem.

Vega100:
equipments fight war, these countries are very poor to stand the wit those enemy forces bring to bear!!! Those are militants with weapons mostly from Libyans armory and other network... Niger and neighbouring forces can do little to stop them.

It can never be a weapons problem. Strategy and the surprise factor is key to the terrorists occasional victories against state army. There's no how a ragtag bh/iswap can be better armed than a standing army if the right things are done.

Osagyefo98:
I don't know why the Benin woman is bent on punishing the old and now late king.

This is your original intention of starting this thread- to stir up dissension wherever among Southerners. I trust that many have already profiled you accordingly.
All your rigmarolling with your other handles are all noted. You're only fooling around.

itsme01:
beautiful and smart


you are ibo yet you understand middle east politics and western supremacist so well... if only your Ipobian counterparts where this informed

Lol. We know the politics of the world more than you all. Our support for America is because we know that they represent the lesser evil. Evil rules the world so no one can escape it. Just like he said; there will be scrambling for Africa once again unless we get our acts right which we won't. His time seems far to me. As for me, less than 100yrs will see the Chinese, Japanese, Americans and European sharing Africa once again.
To the topic at hand, I've refrained from making comments just to keep cards hidden. What must be must be. This Nigeria will be affected by the outcome of the hostilities over there and that is what we want. Enough said!
Notice that all the countries invaded had visible oppression happening therein which the US latched on to intervene and ended up staying/occupying. Same template will be used to invade African countries. China is already using loans to possess Africa.
Have your kind thought in that direction?

Foolish southerners are about to be routed yet they can't see it. Boko boys have been well grounded in war prosecution and are about to be dispatched to new frontiers to aid the fulani herdsmen. Danjuma speak up now while you can before your message makes no difference. Only fools outside the core north think they've a country. I don't pity those who have eyes but can't see. Those who have ears but are deaf.
Well, we who have been seeing are watching.

jayfolarin:
I believe every nation should start working on nuclear weapons as credible deterrent to American aggression that will definitely increase as they lose their sole superpower status with China, Russia and the EU coming into fray.

North korea despite committing unthinkable atrocities have suffered zero military consequences because of nuclear weapons.

Time to revive our space program in Nigeria as this automatically gives you the needed knowledge for nuclear weapons design and workability.

Lol. There's more hope for Ghana to own a nuclear weapon than the shithole.

tck2000:
Lord thank you for keeping us safe in Nigeria.

Lol. Are you really safe?

macof:
Have you read any books about Oyo to come to this confident conclusion?
You should never be comfortable with ignorance especially on a topic you appear to have interest in

I did task any of you to furnish viewers with records of Oyo 'empire' wriiten by European explorers in 18th century and not those penned by Yoruba historians who actually caused this confusion in the first place. We are not quarreling. Just do so and if it's convincing, I'll apologize and remain silent. II'm waiting for those records.

Obalufon:
Benin was never an empire numb skull but a kingdom .. Benin influence on yoruba land was due to ancestral lineage of the stool of OBA ok

Lol at ancestral lineage stool. Oba Akiolu knows his ancestry and it's neither Oyo nor Ife. Imagine the distance from Benin to Eko. Lol. You can only sell this your story to those who don't know history.

Obalufon:
i blame Nigeria educational system . Didn't you study west Africa history in school.. Oyo was an empire ..Benin a Kingdom ..

Lol. Which West African history? You're not verse in history like am neither are you detailed up to being specific about words like I am. If you can clearly define both words (empire and Kingdom), you will know that you and your likes have been arguing blindly. The centre of power in an empire is always the emperor and his word is final. He's usually like a God among men. All empires are usually controlled by a smaller group who conquer larger areas and are able to unite all these different people into a single entity with the various people seeing themselves as being under the umbrella of their conquerors. This is what Benin was able to accomplish. Till date, the Oba of Benin still commands respect despite the demise of the great empire they once hard. Imagine a tiny six to seven LGA people dominating more lands and people they had. That's impressive. See the Ottoman empire led by the Turks. Roman Empire led by tiny Rome. Mongolian empire led by Genghis Khan covering more than ten times his original territory. Coming to Africa, we see the Songhai empire from one tiny area of Mali leading the Songhai Empire. The Ashanti empire with the Asante people of Kumasi uniting other Akan groups and non Akan neighbours to become a regional force. Their footprint in Ghana till date is the popular Twi language that is wide spread all over the country. Where's that of Oyo?
A kingdom on the other hand, has a king who's power is subject to some kingmakers and council of chiefs. He's not regarded as a god. Great kingdoms fight and defeat their neighbours and demand tributes from the them but are not able to unite these defeated neighbours into one people to bear a United name. This is what Oyo achieved. This is why they don't have any footprint outside Yorubaland. Compare the size of Oyo itself with the tiny lands of the Fon in Dahomey. What about the lands of the Nupe; how big is it?
My criticism is borne out my conviction and never out of prejudice or jealousy. I'm above pettiness.

oyatz:
1) The truth will always remain the truth. They don't have to be what we wish ,like or expected. As a matter of fact, truths are more often than not, bitter and comfortable.

I have just stated what I know to be the truths about the outcome of Igbos going to war under the present circumstances.

2) Most Biafrans enthusiasts seems to have a common problem; difficulty in accommodating dissenting opinions and a great tendency to see those who hold contrary views as enemies.
They seems to be more idealists than realists.

3) Whether I hate or love Igbos is immaterial. My hatred or love of Igbos can't help or oppose to get Biafra.

4) Actions do have consequences. Have you sat down to sincerely ask why do Nigieria refuse to allow Igbos to secceed?

It's not that Nigeria is gaining anything superb from the Igbos but because of the consequences of such seccession; total disintegeration of Nigeria!

5) If Igbos are allowed to secceed freely from Nigeria, then there will be no justification not to allow Efik, Ogoni,Ijaw, Yoruba, Nupe, Edo or Baribas to secceed freely from Nigeria, thus if Biafria should secceed, it means there will be no Nigeria left as several tribes(especially Ijaw, Ogoni, Urhobos etc) will also wish to be on their own as small homogeneous countries with billions of dollars from oil reserve like UAE, Quatar, Bahrain etc.

Lol. See the one talking about truth! Where's truth in Nigeria when her foundation is hinged on lies. You accuse us of being idealist than realist whereas, we're just the opposite. Between you and us, who is justified in our aims? We seeing the rot, favouritism and glaring religious extremism and hence opted for Biafra while you on the other hand prefers the sustenance of all the maladies troubling the evil contraption just so that 'some small homogeneous countries' will not be rich like the UAE,Qatar etc. The wanton destruction of lives bothers you not. The injustices don't mean a thing to you. All that concerns you is that Nigeria must not be allowed to disintegrate. Now between you and I, who's more realistic? You know, I use to wonder why Ahmadu Bello was so confident to call some people cannon fodder aka willing slaves until I began to study human psychology. I later found out that some people are wired so to willingly aid others in achieving their personal goals while being spent in the process. That description aptly captures you and your likes.
The first Biafran war was fought with a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding. Ignorance was much those days and the bad press from the Nzeogwu's coup worked heavily against Biafra. Today, without Igbos in the front burner of Nigeria's politics, the excruciating poverty in the land has made majority of the non-hausa/fulanis to see where their problem is coming from. The boko haram and fulani herdsmen have done incalculable damage to whatever alliance you 'one Nigerianist' can muster today. We also know those who will always tag along with the fulanis even if all their lands have been overrun by the terrorist herdsmen. So, you see that your so called federal army will be composed of some particular set of the present Nigeria unlike as it was before.
It amuses me whenever I see you likes shouting and jeering all over the internet of how Igbos are the most hated ethnic group. The sure thing is that we may not be liked by a lot of people, but majority of such people are not irrational to know what awaits them in this your Nigeria. They won't let hate to blind them from seeing their real enemies unlike you and your likes. While fulanis are gradually conquering minority tribes and occupying their lands without you uttering a word in protest, all that bothers you in the preservation of the contraption to enable them have total domination in the future. That simply makes you an unsolicited accomplice of the fulanis. Smart tribes have seen this and are ready to grab the life option that Biafra offers. Recently, Danjuma came to shake you out of the hypnotic spell he assumed had befallen you not knowing it was your deliberately cunning skill.
Finally, I wish to tell you that the pros and cons have been weighed and has been concluded that Igbos and whoever are with them wouldn't remain in Nigeria after two attempts at leaving. We got the numbers and human resource to grow to a super nation. Meanwhile, with what Danjuma knows, he's presently not sleeping. I suggest you shouldn't too.

Rekhina:
My ADA ukwu anu


Adadiorama 1 of ibekuland
Agunwanyi chiri echichi na Asaba ,chia na onitcha ugbo
Adakajara akaja 1 na Taraba state
Doorwkuese (I hope am correct) of tivland
And Adabiafra uwanile ekele kwamoo!

Mc oluomo is in Lagos to fight ur Igbo people doing business ,that's y he is so proud of him than dos fighting fulanis

Lol. I ji ya.

FrLukas:
If Biafra goes to war today with the federal troops sorry is their name.

For over 50 years after the first war, the Nigerian military has been training and acquiring weapons. What has the Biafra side been doing?

Do yourselves a favour and look for an amicable settlement instead of war.

Chest beating on social media doesn't win elections, neither does it win a war.

One would think you would have learnt this simple lesson.

You can call it chest beating all you like but we can see where the pattern events presently is heading and it's towards violent conquest/war. It's clear to all Igbos while some other tribes are starting to realise it. Notice Danjuma's recent comments directed to Yorubas. It was a subtle warning to your people to wake up and face reality. Igbos don't need such message as everyone can see. Ojukwu's mistakes have been studied very well and no such mistakes will be made again. We are making peaceful negotiations with the powers that be at present but are lively to the fulani jihad on-going at present. We don't mince words or hesitate to let them know we're ever ready for whatever they're mustering. Whatever you see from my post shows which side you're on.

LegendHer0:
My question is what has changed from 1970? Nothing!

There has never been a war that can be termed a war of annihilation especially if you know the meaning of that word. Expecting the global power to care about you is tantamount to false hope.

In a war, it depends of the allies you can muster and the money or resources to purchase/ bargain ammunitions and supplies. You need logistics with a well guarded route such that your enemies won’t be able to use blockade against you.

The world powers won’t just support you for supporting sake, hell no, nothing goes for nothing. It now have to depend on your internal power first then coupled with the spirit of bringing in useful allies.

In 1967, the Igbos still have some major stake in the military and some installations were installed in the eastern region. Now the Fulanis have systematically decimated you in your numbers in the military and the installments is now majorly concentrated in the north.

Cameroon the border country is now in hostility against you due to the effect of Ambazonian people, they will think allying with Biafra in a war against Nigeria implies that they are agreeing to ambazonia secession.

That leaves you with a weak point coz it implies blockade can be used against you successfully which meant you can be isolated. The only hope is air force raid and that will depend on the foreign power you can muster to be on your side (especially air weapons).

The Libya effect coupled with the Sahara arms trade means ammunitions can easily come through the North border and the constant fight against Boko Haram implies there will be enormous supply of ammunition within that region.

Don’t make a mistake that the world power will come to your aid in the first year of the war, they don’t do such. Even if they are gonna show it will be in the form of aids and Red Cross or bringing supplies for the vulnerable.

However, having the Yorubas as your partner in the war will solve some of the logistics and border issues. We have Benin republic bordering is with the Yoruba blood among some of them, those border link multiple countries along that domain. Lagos is now in the hands of the Yorubas as against being the federal capital during the war. Igbos and Yorubas fighting alongside will be far better than being enemies.

Make no mistake, if you go to any war as a separate entity with the Yorubas as your enemy, then you can be 100% sure that you guys will suffer more casualties than those you suffered during the Biafran war. This time more devastating! (I can list out few reasons to back this).

I've spelt out our position clearly. We know our enemies and those who are not our friends. We know how to relate with both of them. As for allies, supply routes and weapons, we've factored all those things. Our goal is freedom at all cost. Another war will guarantee that for us. Those who chose to be our enemies are free to do so but we know our enemies and they are all lovers of this present 'One Nigeria'.
For the annihilation I talked about, I was referring to a war of attrition where all kinds of weapons and tactics will be explored. After all, we've learnt that all is fair in war so we don't expect rules of engagement because we know that there's nothing like that from the 'one Nigerianists'. Death to the evil contraption.

LegendHer0:
So what is your conclusion?

You mean the Igbos will defeat a combination of Hausa & Yoruba with all their affiliated minorities?

This is exactly the same costly mistake Ojukwu made that led to the massacre of his people. Biafran war is not a conventional war in the sense, it’s just genocide.

Hear this, you will need the Yorubas on your side to fight a war in Nigeria and win. You should know what I’m saying coz the spirit of Awo is still alive in every sons and daughter of Oduduwa. That is brain and tactics.

War itself is not about gun and ammunitions alone, it’s about logistics. You need a faster route for your supplies so that you restock weapon when you’re out of them. You also need international route, so that you can mitigate against blockade by the federal side.

Also, if the war your envisaging make Yorubas your enemy, then you should know the several millions of Igbos in Yorubaland will be at risk with their resources. If the Yorubas go the savagery route like the Hausa/Fulani then we would have massacred thousands of you before you run back to the East.

Also the Yorubas have several international borders with our brothers in other border countries. For example we can negotiate with Benin government to use their domain as a source of supply. That means we’ve solved the issue of logistics in war.

Other things needed is international alliance, the Yoruba being almost 50/50% Muslim-Christian gives it a leverage on the international scene. With its wealth of professionals and international icons around the world it will be easier to solicit for support. Remember war is a game of alliance, even the almighty USA never goes to war alone. They always go in Union with their allies.

Ask yourself, what has changed since the Biafran war about the attitude and lifestyle of the Igbos? None. You have not learnt anything, you are still residing outside your region in your numbers, meaning you’re at risk. Your wealth is still more concentrated in other regions which means you can be bankrupt in a war. Your land is still landlocked and I’m not sure you can feed yourself in a war situation, which means the blockade policy can still apply to you.

Infact if I am a war general, I will just review the policies used against you guys in 1967-1970, and replay the same scene then boom I’ve solved 30% of the problem even before the start of the war

In conclusion, even if there is going to be war like you claimed, if the Igbos ever made the mistake of going to the said war with the Yorubas as their enemies, then the replay of 1967 will be repeated and this time more deadly with higher casualties.

We know our enemies and we know those who aren't our friends too. We've learnt our lessons. We weren't aggressors at the first time and weren't prepared because everything happened so fast. Today is a different ball game. We already saw raw hatred and we understand it's implication. It's going to be a war of annihilation but at the end, Nigeria will never remain one with Igbos inside of it. I don't pity the tribes that will be locked up with fulanis in the leftover Nigeria.

oyatz:
Bros, wars are NOT won by emotions or bravery but by great armies with good strategies.


1) If war break out today, the Igbos will be nearly annilated.

2) In the 1960s, the Igbos were in charge of a significant portion of Nigeria with a corresponding portion of 'inherited' Nigerian military.

3) Today, the Igbos have no army and aren't in charge of any military organization in the Country. How many Military officers in the present day Nigeria are Igbos?

4) The Igbo don't have large quantity of oil or ready made mineral resources to give Russia or the so-called Foreign allies in exchange for military support.

No European countries will fight any war without getting something return.

What will Igbos give them to get their millitary support?

The oil installations in the old Eastern region controlled by the Igbos are now located in the S/South Region and any attempts by the Igbos to lay claim to these Region will be interpreted as Land grabbing by the Niger-Deltans, the rest of Nigeria and the International Community.
The Ijaws, Urhobos, Ogonis, Ibibios will sabotage the Biafrans again if Igbos try to annex their territories.



5) The last straw that will break the Camel's back;

(a) the Igbos are landlocked and have no INTERNATIONAL BORDERS.

(b) Igbos have no dependable allies among their neighbours.

Another Land, Sea and Air blockade will be far easier to effect and Biafria will capitulate in a month.






6) Igbos don't have military planes to be dropping Bombs on other Nigerian cities.

If Igbos are dropping Bombs on Lagos, Oshogbo, Ilorin etc. What do you think the other Non-Igbo Nigerians will do? Do you think they will sit down and be clapping for you?
Think deeply sir. You are suggesting exactly the same costly mistakes Ojukwu made in taking the war into Non-Biafran territories , stimulating uncommon patrotism which united other Nigerians to fight ferrociously against the Biafrans.

This didn't get Ojukwu the needed International sympathy but portrayed the Biafrans as the agressors. The same scenario will play out with greater devastating consequences for the Igbos.

All of the present Igbo Governors weren't as powerful as Ojukwu.


7) Boko Haram INSURGENCY is different from a CIVIL WAR.
Try to know the differences and modalities of dealing with them.

Don't pray for war. The Igbos are far in more disadvantaged position than in the 1960s.

Igbos can get Biafra easier through peaceful means than through wars.

Let's avoid war.


#IgboAmaka
#NigeriaAmaka

Lol. Your type don't reason with emotions and your prejudice against Igbos is glaring. We know are enemies and they're not those who are rational to understand freedom. Our enemies are the 'One Nigerianists' who support the evil government of Nigeria to suppress us. Every regions position is easily determined today as information transmission is very easy at present. So, we know our enemies. Igbos know it's going to be an annihilation warfare. One thing is certain at the end and that is that Nigeria will never remain one. Who will gain more from both sides? I'm sure you know it is us that want freedom. We won't pity those that will be trapped in Nigeria with the fulanis. Ponder on this.

ooduapathfinder:
“Then God said” is His affirmation of the transformation of a reality that exists contrary to His nature. God is Light and in Him there is no darkness at all.

Concerning the Yoruba-African Nation within the context of Africa’s historical experiences and the journey towards Yoruba Emancipation, our experiences during the last 400 years of Slavery and colonialism created a reality that cemented our alienation from our God-given existence.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

Then God said: “Let there be light”.

The children of Israel spent 400 years in Egypt before their deliverance according to the Covenant with Abraham, who, as recorded in Genesis 15:12 “Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, horror and great darkness fell upon him:

“Then HE said to Abram……..”

When therefore, there is darkness, God speaks; what God says ensures the disappearance of the darkness.

Darkness in Nigeria is characterized by the subversion of democracy and Self-Determination of the Peoples. Federalism is the only route towards the manifestation of Self-Determination of the Peoples, for it leaves room for their self-actualization in contrast to the uniformist, Unitarist, post-colonial State seeking to ensure the erasure of their God-given nature from human history. Federalism, then, is the union of two or more Self-Defined entities that may be administered in any manner. The form of administration does not become a substitute for Self-Determination.

The West/Yorubaland had borne the brunt of these Unitarist, anti-Federalist forces, a joint venture between the East and the North and primarily aimed at subduing the West/Yorubaland because of her anti-colonial philosophy anchored on Federalism.

Current attempts at consolidating anti-Federalism and denying Self-Determination include the so-called autonomy for local governments; the proposed Waterways Bill which will enable the central government to control all the river banks in Nigeria; the resettlement of herdsmen across the country in the name revitalizing agriculture and livestock production, otherwise known as RUGA Settlements; border closures negating cross-border Ethno-National Existence, which, ordinarily, ought to have engendered a new form of economic thought but which is now ensconced within closures of the artificial borders thus compounding the artificiality, and denying the existentialism of the Peoples of the border areas.

Ethno-National nepotism, Chauvinism and Irredentism are the ideological weapons of the anti-Federalists. These characteristics are personified, historically, by Major-General Aguiyi Ironsi, the military head of state after the January 1966 military coup and in the current circumstances, Major-General(retd) Muhammadu Buhari.

Both subverted the Federalism that ushered in Independence by disregarding its essence by turning Federalism on its head and making the center the focal point. Aguiyi Ironsi’s substitution of the Regions arrived at during the Independence struggles with his “group of provinces” and effectively neutralizing Federalism became the launchpad for incoming military adventurers whose past-time was tinkering with Federalism until it now has no meaning.

The Nigeria-Biafra war was a consequence of the anti-Federalist posture, with Biafra, on the one hand, trying to overrun Yorubaland and the “Nigerian Forces” under the control of the North trying to make the West (Yorubaland) its plaything.

The Nigerian Army (armed forces) was a colonial creation aimed at suppressing the Peoples and placed under the control of northern hegemony which had not failed to utilize it in the process of entrenching itself while neutralizing Federalist forces. It ended up subverting the will of the People through political immorality by making a patently false claim as to the country’s Grundnorm being the “will of the People”.

The Buhari Regime is the latest in the long line of anti-democratic Regimes since Independence, where the subversion of democracy was and still is the order of the day, despite any electoral victories and notwithstanding the Regime’s pretensions as to its fidelity to democracy simply because it was able to achieve electoral victory over its opponents

Since Independence, various civilian administrations subverted Federalism and democracy at will; The East and the North, through the NPC/NCNC Alliance that oversaw the negation of the Independence Constitution via the Unconstitutional Declaration of the State of Emergency in the Western Region leading to the change to the 1963 Constitution; the 12 2/3rds NPN electoral shenanigans in 1979 through its 1983 moon-slide; the 2003 “do or die” elections; the 2007 elections which the victor, Musa Yar Adua even admitted was fraught with irregularities; the violent resistance to the 2011 election results by the Buhari partisans to its loss, all the way to the present where the Buhari partisans now claim legitimacy only on the platform of its 2019 electoral victory.

Yet, Africa has and continue to have its share of electoral victories, either in one-party states, which by definition, cannot make any pretense at democracy(Guinea under Sekou Toure, Congo Republic, Zaire); pretentious multi-party states as in Zimbabwe, Kenya, Ethiopia under EPRDF etc; such that the story of Africa is not complete without the negation of democracy through electoralism.

That the Buhari Regime will hang its legitimacy on this dubious paradigm in order to sustain its anti-Federalism shows its disdain for the existential imperatives of the Peoples of Nigeria.

Despite these clouds of darkness, the righteous are emboldened because “Then God said”.

While it may be prudent to employ the Yoruba aphorism as to resolving the primary contradiction before attending to the secondary, the question as to what the primary contradiction is, remains to be answered.

The primary contradiction is whether the quest for a Yoruba Presidency in 2023 will solidify the anti-Federalist forces or not; the secondary being any form of alliance aimed at bringing forth such a Yoruba Presidency; both of which are dependent on either the retention or replacement of the 1999 Constitution foisted on us by the anti-Federalist military created precisely for our oppression and sustained by various military or civilian political machinations.

The 1999 Constitution is the darkness that must be replaced.

“Then God said……..”

“When the enemy comes in like a flood, The Spirit of the Lord will lift up a standard against him”.

The combination of the military machine and its political equivalent against the emergence of our God-given existence, expressed through the Federalist option, constitute the enemy coming like a flood—as indeed it has come like a flood.

But Glory be to “God who does nothing unless He reveals His secret to His servants, the prophets”. “For since the beginning of the world Men have not heard nor perceived by the ear, Nor has the eye seen any God besides You, Who acts for the one who waits for Him” …… “But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God”

To avoid presumptuousness will necessarily lead to relying on what is written in order to determine what God said as to the darkness enveloping Yorubaland and Nigeria.

Judah, under King Hezekiah, experienced Sennacherib’s terrorism, leading to King Hezekiah’s surrender of all of Judah’s economic and cultural patrimony, mocking Judah’s antecedents and arrogantly ascribing Judah’s overlord-ship to himself. (2 Kings 18 & 19). All of which are not different from what Yorubaland had been going through, since 1960 up till the present.

“Then God said”: concerning the King of Assyria and now says, concerning the Regime of Muhammadu Buhari:

‘Muhammadu Buhari and his security agencies shall not come into Yorubaland, Nor shoot an arrow there, Nor come before it with shield, Nor build a siege mound against it. By the way that Muhammadu Buhari and his security agencies came, By the same shall Muhammadu Buhari and his security agencies return; And Muhammadu Buhari and his security agencies shall not come into Yorubaland,’ Says the Lord. ‘For the Lord will defend Yorubaland, to save it For HIS own sake and for HIS servants’ sake.’”

“And it came to pass on a certain night that the angel of the Lord went out, and killed in the camp of the Assyrians one hundred and eighty-five thousand; and when people arose early in the morning, there were the corpses—all dead. So, Sennacherib king of Assyria departed and went away, returned home, and remained at Nineveh. Now it came to pass, as he was worshiping in the temple of Nisroch his god, that his sons Adrammelech and Sharezer struck him down with the sword; and they escaped into the land of Ararat. Then Esarhaddon his son reigned in his place”.

This, then, is our confidence.


Wale Odeku

One more Odeku for Wale. Let him drink more and drown away his hangover.

Oshigun:
You don't get it. It is you Igbos other now don't 'bother' with much like the boy who cried wolf too many times. Many are tired , worldwide , i.e not even in Nigeria alone, of your attitude of seeing the speck in the eyes of others while you miss the boulder in yours. You attack Tinubu and the likes of Ganduje with such venom daily while you hypocritically ignore your Governors, who are perhaps the worst and most corrupt in Nigeria. Next minute it is to be playing victim over the war or pronouncing all your kinsmen/women innocent before they are tried in court for allegations of wrongdoing. Una persecution complex nko?

Bros abeg look in the mirror if you want to see a face others don't bother with anymore and just scoff at. If you lot keep others out of your hatefest then many of them will ignore you. You cannot malign the character of others and then tell them to shut up and accept you doing such. Gowon does not have loved ones or is it Chinamanda alone that should talk and try to shout authoritatively above real players from the civil war , one the Nigerian side, like Gowon, PMB and co? I wonder why Ojukwu remains your hero till today while Gowon and Buhari are hated passionately by you lot.

I tried to ignore you yet your posts kept exposing your naivety and I said to myself that perhaps, you need someone to guide your thought process.
What led to the war in the first place? Was it that Ojukwu just woke up to declare a new country or was it because Nigeria couldn't protect the easterners from the continuous pogrom they faced while the supposed government looked the other way. If you were the leader of the easterners, what will you have done in that situation? Go begging an illegitimate government or standing up to defend those directly under your jurisdiction? Ojukwu who was once a staunch supporter of a United Nigeria still dialogued at Aburi to see to the safety of his constituency by ensuring that no decision on any region will be taken without the agreements of the other military governors of various regions. This was agreed upon by all those present at Aburi and they all signed. While this was on going, Igbos and other Easterners were still being killed en masse in the north. Upon their return from Ghana, Gowon unilaterally divided the regions into states flouting the agreement they hitherto had. This is where the easterners totally lost any trust they had for Gowon and they knew they couldn't trust him to secure them any more. Ojukwu declared Biafra three days after that as mandated by the Eastern assembly. You can see Gowon saying it was on the interpretation of Aburi that they differed. Any sincere individual will want to know the contents of the Aburi Accord. While Ojukwu screamed 'on Aburi we stand', Gowon was shouting 'on Aburi you'll fall'. What were the contents of the Aburi Accord? Won't you want to know so you know who was not being truthful?
Right after the war, Gowon and his likes started saying Ojukwu wanted to separate Nigeria while himself, wanted Nigeria one. Was Gowon thinking about a Nigeria where Igbos and other Easterners will be murdered any how and we just accept it and move on just the way fulani herdsmen and the Kanuri Boko haram have been wiping off Christian groups silently today? If that's his intention, then I'll tell him that we are not weaklings. Of course he supervised the Nigerian side and had his fair share of the apprehensions when the federal forces were been decimated. European journalists were on ground inside Biafra to cover the atrocities committed on helpless villagers by the frustrated Nigerian soldiers whenever they suffer heavy casualties from the Biafran soldiers. The records are there. If you can't believe our 'lies', won't you believe the videos too? Till date Igbos have made it known that they don't want to remain Nigerians with you yet some of your people will be asking silly questions like; why do you people keep on moving into our region? Support the creation of Biafra and after her creation, ban Igbos from moving into Nigeria. Isn't that simple? Igbos only lose the right to move to any region in Nigeria after Biafra have been created not before.

I never expected Gowon to still respond the way he's responding and since he persists, I'll simply conclude that whatever happened then was deliberately orchestrated by him. I can clearly see his bitterness at Ojukwu and I ask for what crime exactly? You Gowon said you tried to unite the country after the war by mentioning the little reconstructions you did. I then ask why we still had issues of abandoned properties. What about the demotions of government workers in the civil service plus the Awo 20pounds policy? What about the Asaba massacre? You said the federal Army prosecuted the war in a disciplined manner yet Benjamin Adekunle is well remembered for shooting anything that moves. How long did he commmand his troops? Imagine the innocent lives he must have wasted while at it. Gowon I was thinking you perhaps was personally a good man who didn't want the war prosecuted in such a wicked manner as your soldiers did and so should have acknowledged the truth about their brutality from the victims of the war but your blatant denial shows your culpability. I can't make excuses for you anymore. You are a very wicked old man. My people are justified for their continuous insistence on Biafra. Shame on you Gowon.

ConqueredWest:
Yet to see your contact through that other platform we agreed to meet each other

Hope all is well.?

Yeah all is well. I'll get to you soon

MetaPhysical:
So far, i counted four threads today which by their topic alone, in an ordinary time would already be on page 10 and filled with accusations and counter-accusations....but they are idle and still on page 1 with the hours ticking by. So what happened?

Its simple to notice that the troublemakers, the rubble rousers are back in village and even though their phones remain with them communication capacity in village is lacking. So the bandwidth is quickly filled up and result in chocked traffic causing slow web page load.

When you think of your speedy activity online dont forget that Yorubaland made it possible. Anwhere else you do not enjoy such privilege.

Merry Christmas to my village brothers and sisters. I love you all, and return safely to Yorubaland after time with family at home.

Peace!

Lol. Always throwing shades.

RedboneSmith:
The kingdom of Dahomey was conquered by and paid tribute to Oyo up until the 19th century. So was the kingdom of Weme, and a number of other polities in present day Benin Republic.

Within Nigeria, parts of Nupe and Bariba paid tribute to Oyo until they took advantage of political problems in Oyo-Ile to revolt in the 1780s and 1790s.

Also, an empire doesn't neccessarily have to consist of different linguistic groups to qualify as an empire. A political state built up by conquest of formerly autonomous political units that pays tribute to the conquering sovereign is an empire. This is why Japan is an empire despite the fact that everyone in the empire is Japanese. That is also why the Holy Roman Empire was an empire even at the time when the empire only consisted of German-speaking peoples.

So, even if Oyo never conquered the Aja peoples of Dahomey, it would still be accurate to reckon it as an empire since the Egba and the Egbado who paid tribute to the Alaafin were distinct cultural units from the Oyo, despite also being Yoruba.

You're not correct Mr. An empire goes beyond conquering a people and taking tribute from them. That's my point. You have to look at the definition of what an empire is. I don't have to school people on what an empire is. Like I said earlier, Oyo might have been a great Kingdom who troubled her neighbours but it didn't get to the state of an empire. There's something that differentiates an empire from a kingdom. That is what Oyo lacked. Different nations United under a single person to become a single political unit where all the constituent nations bear the identity of their conqueror is what makes an empire. The footprints are there for everyone to see. Benin achieved this feat everyone can see her footprint all over the lands they once controlled. Where is Oyos footprint in non-Yoruba lands? Non. You'll need to prove these footprints exist to convince me.
I've been trying to get the ebook of Archibald Danzel without success. Can you kindly upload excerpts here for our consumption?

Empiree:
it is their trick. They always love portraying christianity as persecuted religion while they take advantage of Africa economy but the idiots called African CHRISTIANs are too blind to see.

Anytime they want to do their dirty trick in Africa they would say they want to help African CHRISTIANS and portray Islam as boogeyman. I don't subscribe to this lies in their article. They never talked about kidnapped Muslims in the North by Christians and forced them to covert to christianity.

Lol. See someone bringing stories of kidnapped kids into issues of killings, destruction of properties and forceful occupation of the victims' lands. Shame on you. The ignoble kidnapping of kids was done by greedy criminals for childless families/women. Those kidnapped kids were well taken care of by their new guardians. They even enrolled them in schools. Compare that to the death and destruction your fulani Muslims bring to Christian areas. Tens of thousands of Christians have been victims of the fulani herdsmen menace. Their lands have been occupied and some even renamed to suit the fulanis with the tacit support of the government of Nigeria.

vannessa7:
You must be a toddler not to know that in the regime of GEJ which Yoruba voted for massively there were more killings than has ever been since Buhari came into power, Yoruba to you is a traitor every time we refuse to dance to your tune as if we are your yes boy, unfortunately for you guys that day will never come when we will just follow Igbo blindly, that said I am a new Muslim revert and I have read the Qur'an through and I can tell you that those Fulani are not Muslims because their activities go against the tenets of God for Muslims, the Qur'an says you must not kill anyone who does not hold a weapon to attack you and other peoples properties are definitely out of bound to you no matter their religion, the Qur'an also say we can eat with Christians and marry them self, the Qur'an is full of bible stories and God said in the Qur'an that any Muslim who does not believe the Bible both old and new testament is not a Muslim, it is written there that Jesus is coming and the last trumpet will be blown on the last day, the only difference is that God said we are not to worship Jesus or Mary or any of His creature at all because it is idolatory, He said Jesus is the word of God born by virging Mary through the holy spirit front the breadth of angel Gabriel, how does all these conform with Fulani attitude.
I used to live in the north and I can tell you Fulani's live in the forest and only comes to town for business, their seclusion from other tribe and lack of education has all contributed to make them barbaric, had it been they live among others they will see them as human and understand better, that is why Yoruba is still the most advanced in this nation because we have a social culture where everybody lives together, we build houses next to each other and this has brought others close so that even an idol worshipper is still seen as human who has pain and concern and not a monster with horn, I can bet you some of the children of the Fulani must think other tribe have horns, Fulani's herdsmen killing is not Islamic and never will be, illegal sexual intercourse is not allowed in islam not to talk of rape,

Do not believe what is written here by this poster. It is meant to deceive the gullible. No one in Nigeria will say he/she has not seen or know someone who has been affected by the killings by fulani herdsmen. In fact fulani herdsmen are presently more destructive than Boko haram and have been listed as a terrorist organization by international security bodies yet the Nigerian government hasn't called them so nor effected any arrest of culpable herdsmen. The fulani president once said these herdsmen came from outside Nigeria and can't be fought but barely six months after that statement, he started asking traumatized farmers to donate their lands to these foreign herdsmen who brought wanton destruction to them in the first place. The claim that these fulani herdsmen are non Muslims is laughable. The Muslim government protects and arms them. They openly move about with Ak47 rifles and no security arrests them. They kidnap and get huge ransoms without the Nigerian security doing anything. Shame on you. Some of us know fulanis in and out. Your games are up. I've said that numerous times on this forum. I've dedicated my whole life to the freedom of my people and other Christians from the stranglehold of your terrorist people. The game is on!

Maol:
That's a treason offence you just committed, you want to start a war but it is the beginning of war you know you don't know the end. You may end up regretting when you see people suffering more than before and wish the fight should have not started as it has happened in many African countries. How did you know Nigeria government backed Fulani herdsmen up, please be sure of anything before you pass false news. If it is not true nkoo. Muslims attacked by heards men too what should they do.

You guys think we're dumb right? How many fulani herdsmen have been arrested by the government? NONE! Yet, the government was asking victims of slaughter to give up their lands to the terrorist fulani herdsmen. It was shamefully even debated on the Senate. One fulani woman even had the temerity to say herdsmen value cows more than humans. We have all the files and they've all been sent. We are in a new world now where information is readily captured, stored and sent within seconds to any part of the world. It is game up for your criminal elites. I know that there are fulani, Hausa, Kanuri individuals who don't support what's happening but are helpless to do so. They should try and vacate the far north to a more humane area.

franchasng:
You are a woman, you are not arguing with facts, you are arguing with emotion, and its quite understandable...but I will keep enlightening you with facts, if you doubt whatever I say, make a finding from foreign sources to know the truth, don't rely on Lagos-Ibadan express media publications established by selfish Yoruba politicians to champion their personal political cause.


My uncle was a right hand man of Major Chukwuma Nzeogwu. He was a captain as at then and a Nigerian army band leader. He was among the soldiers that went to Saudana's residence. He told me a lot of secrets about the coup and the civil war. They never liked Ojukwu, Aguiyi Ironsi and Azikiwe because they were nationalists who wanted a one united Nigeria.

Ojukwu wanted a united Nigeria but the pogrom which Gowon refused to stop just as Buhari is refusing to stop Fulani herdsmen massacre of middlebelt people today was the reason Ojukwu called for independence of Biafra and he didn't wake up and declared it, he got the backing of Igbo and some Niger Delta leaders before he did.

Blame Gowon and the blood thirsty north for the civil war and not Ojukwu. This is where Yoruba media liars misinformed the Yorubas since 1966. Why not Google about the war and read foreign accounts by non Nigerian journalists. The eminent cause of the war was the 1966 northern pogrom.

Nzeogwu and the Igbo soldiers who carried out the first coup of 1966 made a huge mistake. And if they truly wanted to carry out a revolution, they ought to have killed Igbo leaders too like Nnamdi Azikiwe, etc to balance things, so they messed up and even my late uncle, and father, and every other reasonable Igbo man agreed that Nzeogwu and co messed up, we all know, we admit our errors unlike Yorubas who hardly agree to their mistake, they will always claim just and sophisticated even when it is glaring that they have messed up, they won't accept, another problem of the Yorubas.

Igbos lost a lot when Igbos were the ones controlling the affairs of Nigeria but the coup and civil war gave the opportunity for Igbos to start from zero, it was unfortunate. But don't you ever blame Ojukwu, Ojukwu did the right thing because if he had remained silent during the pogrom, the north would have finished Igbos in 1966 even when there was no war, so Ojukwu saved Igbos from total annihilation by the north during the unwarranted pogrom.

Instead of Yorubas to be honest and codemn the north and Gowon they rather hide the truth as usual and blame Ojukwu but when the pogrom was going on, Yorubas remained silent except for Wole Soyinka who condemned it back then.


The same thing is happening today. Fulani herdsmen terrorists are busy going about murdering Middlebelt people in their homes while the Nigerian army as alleged backs them up.....Igbos have been condemning this for so long, Yorubas remained silent as usual not until recently that the Fulanis brought the madness to Yoruba land that the Yorubas now started screaming fire fire like it started today....so do you think if it were to be in 1960s that we have brave and courageous soldiers from Middlebelt, this Fulani constant massacre of Middlebelt people is not enough to provoke Middlebelt soldiers to act or even challenge Buhari led government

You guys will just sit comfortably in your hut and be blaming people without considering the tight situation they are in.


I keep saying it, the problem of the Yorubas is selfishness and wickedness....they are too selfish, so long as an evil is not happening in their doorstep, they will never condemn it or join others to fight it....it is only when it gets to their doortstep that they start to scream fire.


But take a look at great nations like USA, France, Britain, etc....they don't wait for evil to get to their countries before they start to condemn and make effort to stop it....they can overlook all these Islamic terrorists killing their people in their countries in Middle-East, but they know that one day, these terrorists will bring their madness to their countries if they remain silent and not stop them fast! Yorubas need to learn from this, it is their greatest undoing....and yes, I know Igbos have their flaws....but go and ask anybody from any part of the world, Igbos always condemn injustice against anybody or race or tribe....we always carry it on our head like its our case, its our nature, we hate injustice!!!

You spoke well bro. This is what Danjuma told them recently. Yorubas don't speak out when others are suffering. It's only when it gets to them that they start to shout. That's not a good way to relate with your neighbours.

I feel pained coming to this thread this late. How I wish I was free to contribute to it in its early stage. Any way, the article captures what I've been crying here since 2011. I've been wondering if the European powers are blind to the numerous atrocities going on in Nigeria. Christians are massacred in their thousands in Nigeria without anyone doing anything about it. The Muslim government openly supports and even aids these killings. Their aim is to dominate and force Islam on everyone. Those of us from the Eastern part have been in the forefront of warning other unsuspecting Christians about the evil ploy but we were called all manner of names. I'm glad that finally our voice have been heard and the relevant powers will switch their searchlight on Nigeria. I implore all sane countries to disregard anyone or group who says all the attacks and killings are not religion motivated. It is all lies to cover their evil tracks. Christianity is been strangulated everyday in Nigeria. From the FG direct policies and appointments, to the treatment dished out on Christians.
For me the best bet at achieving peace is going the Sudan way of splitting the country into at least countries. Religion is deeply in contest in Nigeria with Islam violently advancing. Any solution outside splitting will only be temporary and the risk of a bloody war will be very great. Muslim fulani herdsmen are being invited from neighbouring West and central African countries to come add to their strength in Nigeria. Nothing will stop the religious onslaught if Nigeria is left to remain the way it is simply because the counter force to Islam is not politically sophisticated to do so. This is the honest truth. However, if war were to ensue, it will just be the monumental destruction of lives and properties without any real progress. My advice is for the western powers to see to the division of Nigeria into religious lines considering some peculiarities to the contraption.
NB: Mostly Muslims will kick against the division of Nigeria. You have to ask yourself why they don't want it.

9jakool:
So you are not Benin but you've became a mouthpiece historian for them just so you can bad mouth another ethnic group? And you are quick to renounce your tribe's ties with Benin.

The thread isn't for competition but for education. I'm not here to praise the Bini people for creating an empire. I simply recognize the fact that numerous facts are available to prove that Benin was an empire as oppose to Oyo. If Too was one time an empire, their footprints will be felt. That's my point.

Dartilo:
I am jus a neutral historian here, I wanna learn and I ve some few questions...

1.if oyo actually colonise up to dahomey.
a. Y did d white men name d bight at dat region d bight of Benin and not bight of oyo.
b. Present day benin Republic rename themselves after the bight of Benin which was actually named after benin empire far within the interior, why not oyo Republic due to its large influence.
c. Rumour has it dat before d renaming of dahomey d den president actually acknowledge benin and came to Benin..

2.If oyo was that potent..
a. Y oyo allowed their fellow brothers to suffer in d hand of Benin as vassal state.. Such as Ekiti, Lagos, ondo and part of osun.
b. Remember history has it dat d ibadan army were chase away by benin military from invading Ekiti cos it was their responsibility to protect their vassals.
c. There r evidence of urban ancient Civilization in Benin dat shows an empire once existed here, the walls of Benin, it's in d guiness world record book, and d amount and time estimated for it shows continuity for hundreds of years...

3.History has it dat oranmiyan left benin out of anger because he could not enter d city to rule, and left to form oyo..
a. Same history has it dat oranmiyan upon getting to oyo met some resistance bt he was so powerful that e single handedly conquered dem, why didn't e conquered those dat resisted him in Benin? You don't cause a war in ur father house..

Let's b sincere if u c d pics of wen Oba and oni at different occasion visited d olu, u should knw how wel d indigenous Nigeria kings knw d history better

They can't answer your questions because Too was never as important a regional force as they want us to accept. I sincerely have nothing against the Yorubas but it doesn't mean I'll swallow any stories they dish out without questions.
Oyo was never an empire. That's my conclusion.