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Culture › Re: Oyo Empire by Yujin(m): 8:09am On Dec 23, 2019

Shiver99:
Erm...? I give up. What is this supposed to prove?
Does that guy look closer to Benin people (the first two pictures)or Nri people, centuries older than Benin? (last two pictures)

Just stop my guy. It's clear that you know nothing of Igbo history.

He thinks when one criticizes his claims, that it is born out of hatred or jealousy. That's so petty. When one reads about the Asante and Benin Empires, one can see footprints that proves their achievements. It's simple! The capital of the so called Oyo empire was destroyed by a small Nupe army from the north while their southern encroachment into dahomey was dealt a fatal blow by female warriors. Is that one an empire? Abegi keep quiet.
Yorubas as a whole had some glory period where they excelled in arts and governance. I can see these from proofs that abound from the Ife bronzes and terracotta to the Esie soapstone carvings including their trades with their neighbours. However, building an Empire was never one of such. Stop dragging it further. I'm done with you.

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Culture › Re: Oyo Empire by Yujin(m): 7:55am On Dec 23, 2019

Omoodua007:
No one is calling you out for not invading others

The question is what was your Kingdom famous for
What did you trade in
Don’t intentionally misread me

What did you achieve on your own since you said you didn’t colonize anyone

What did you do what were you famous for etc
I see Yoruba and Benin arts everywhere but I don’t see Igbo arts

You're still here yapping senseless after you couldn't bring any proof of your empire claims. Are you not ashamed of yourself? You're here mentioning arts and demanding our own arts. Let me respond to that. Firstly, the notable Yoruba arts were the Ife works not the Oyo Kingdom. Nothing proves Oyos glory till date. No foot prints anywhere. No none Yoruba groups are practising any Yoruba festivals or bearing any insignia as a mark of Oyos one-time domination. For Igbos, our artworks are there too from the popular Igbo-Ukwu bronzes(the earliest of its kind in sub-saharan Africa) to the Nri Ivory Carvings. Our wood carvings are notable too.
As for trade, you can go and read up on Obi Ossai of Aboh(present day Ukwuani area of Delta state) and the palm oil plus other spices he traded with the British. He was heavily involved in slave trading and had to switch to agricultural produce after the British stopped the ignoble trade. I see that you've heard about King Jaja of Opobo but didn't know about him. He was a very smart business man who at a point controlled the trade at the lower Niger Delta after cutting off the Europeans from having to deal directly with the villagers and thus ensured that a more profitable bargain goes to the farmers. Majority of the agricultural produce traded at the Bonny port before and during the 19th century came from the hinterland (Igboland). The popular name 'Oil Rivers' was because of palm oil that came from Igboland. That the Nigerian educational system was silent on the historical feats of the Igbos doesn't mean that we had nothing. You can search the internet for all I wrote here.

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Culture › Re: Oyo Empire by Yujin(m): 8:47pm On Dec 22, 2019

Omoodua007:
Your people operated a tributary model go and learn what that is
You appointed a Yoruba man to pay you tributes basically how British appointed local chiefs lol

Akiolu is not a Benin man

I'm Igbo not Benin or Edo.
Till date, Benin kings still rule in some Yoruba communities especially in Ondo and Lagos State. Tributaries were in some cases, while in others, sons of the soil were made kings. In Idoani, the son of Oba Ozolua still reigns as king.

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Culture › Re: Oyo Empire by Yujin(m): 8:40pm On Dec 22, 2019

Omoodua007:
Lower ondo - coastal ondo region !
Why are you denying onitsha Benin roots even your king wears the beaded edo crown

I'm done with you. You clearly don't know history and you don't care to learn. Ordinary names of location you can't give. Let me just put it here to before I leave you to wallow in your ignorance. As at the early 19th century, Benin was controlling almost the entire eastern Yoruba land. This was why there was less information about those areas by early Yoruba historians. From Ekiti through Ondo down to Lagos. As for Onitsha, nothing like Benin root there only influences from travellers. Onitcha was at no point in time a vassal to Benin, nor did the Obi of Onitcha keep any contact with the Oba of Benin. If there's any proof to the contrary, state it here.

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Culture › Re: Oyo Empire by Yujin(m): 7:44pm On Dec 22, 2019

gregyboy:
Jjjj

We gave you our cocoa wealth to liberate yourselves but Italy has taking over
The entire Europe now relates ancient Benin with international trafficking

At least skull mining is a local affair

And no edo man rules an inch of Yoruba land in present !

What about Oba Akiolu of Lagos? The only Oba in Yorubaland that doesn't wear a shirt as part of his kingship dressing.

Culture › Re: Oyo Empire by Yujin(m): 7:42pm On Dec 22, 2019

Omoodua007:
Looool dude onitsha was set up by edos to trade Igbo slaves better go and read your history even Jaja of

Benin’s influence only reached lower section of ondo and it was not until the fall of Oyo empire so you don’t have any empire and that was why Ojukwu attempted to build one during the civil war

You see one thing I don't tolerate is outright lies. Which Benin traded in Onitsha? Who were they selling Igbo slaves to at Onitcha? Stop saying rubbish. Do you even know the groups that were trading at Onitcha as at then? Benin influence was only strong around the Ika area of Anioma. Even at that, Agbor gave Benin big problem. All the areas from Umunede down to Asaba had no kings and weren't any vassal to Benin, so how can Benin come down to Onitcha. Like I said, you know nothing about history. Lol. You even tried to mention Jaja of Opobo. Can you take a map of Southern Nigeria to see where Opobo is? Igbo slaves were traded at Calabar and Bonny ports. Go study before coming to argue with me.
Finally, what do you mean by 'lower Ondo'? Can you name specific areas so I can trash your lies with facts? Tell me the name of the areas Benin Empire controlled in Yorubaland.

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Culture › Re: Oyo Empire by Yujin(m): 7:19pm On Dec 22, 2019

Omoodua007:
Which part of my mention said Oyo empire was as large as Roman Empire ?

And why is that no one knew of igbos pre independence

We all knew edo
We all knew even Kanuri
We all knew nupe
We even knew Ashante
We all knew Dahomey
Everyone knew yorubas as Oyo then
But for whatever reasons no one knew igbos
Not a single achievement in your civilization

Till today you see Benin And Yoruba arts scattered all around the world but we don’t see as much Igbo presence

Could your lack of history be the reason you loath and enjoy watering down Yoruba history so much

In your mind your like how dare them have it and we don’t

The only history of igbos was onitsha which was founded by the Edos till date your king holds a Benin sword

Oba of Lagos once a vassal of edo stop paying tribute and the defeat of Benin by British ended his influence for Good

Lol. I thought you're grounded in history you're trying to push but now I see you're just bored seeking for attention. Did I mention size in my analogies? The Benin Empire I mentioned; is it big? NO! So where does size come into place. I overestimated your mental capacity. Accept my apologies.
As for Igbos not having an empire, I'm very proud of that too because it proved that we are not naturally oppressive people. There's no shame in that. This is why we have lots of minority tribes around us despite our size. Our philosophy doesn't allow us to engage in such ventures. We're just like the Indians(hindus) in this case. The only group of Igbos to the best of my knowledge whose influence transcended the Igbo area are the Nris. There influence went into both Igala and Benin areas and majority of other Igbo areas. They never believed in violence. That's the basic Igbo philosophy and we're proud of that. The question you should ask is why then we weren't conquered by any of the surrounding Empire(Benin) or kingdom(Igala). This is because we resisted all their attempts. Benin tried their best but were always checked by our Anioma people. The Igalas tried and we're equally checked by our Nsukka people. But see the level of Yorubaland that the Benin controlled. Lol. From Ondo, Ekiti and parts of Osun up to Eko. That should tell you what stuff the Igbos are made of.
As for Onitsha, the story is clear that it was reverse migration. Any similarity with Benin you see in Onitcha was copied by Igbo returnees. Was Onitcha ever a vassal of Benin? Was Ezechima a Benin Prince? Who was his father?
You see Igbos have always been a liberal people who welcomed all sorts of people but once you bring conquest to them, you'll face die hards. Most run away Edo people settled among Igbos in Anioma. Some Igalas brought war to Igbo areas and were defeated and assimilated eventually. Others simply migrated and integrated into Igbo areas even deep into Aguata areas of Anambra State were you ordinarily shouldn't find them as they mostly operated around the River Niger banks. The Olukumis migrated into Anioma and were welcomed. That's how accommodating we were but weren't conquered by any one. Only the British succeeded but we still gave them headache and were more vociferous in them leaving Nigeria. That's Igbo for you.
Finally, I don't engage in any dick measuring contest that ignorant folks like you do here on Nairaland. Oyo was never an empire. They probably were very strong at their peak period but never assumed an empire status as you would want us to believe.

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Culture › Re: Oyo Empire by Yujin(m): 6:41pm On Dec 22, 2019

Omoodua007:
Typical Igbo in severe pain Loool

I'm proudly Igbo but not in severe pain over dispelling the false narrative your likes have been trying to perpetuate. I'll celebrate Oyos achievements if they really had been able to have such an empire you're trying to paint. I still marvel at those rock carvings of humans found somewhere in Kwara state(can't remember the exact name of the town) and I believe that was one of the achievements under Oyo Kingdom. An empire is a different ball game. Simply put; for a kingdom to graduate into an empire, it most have vassal states of other people not of the same stock like the conquerors. The influence will be thorough such that it will affect the form of governance of the vassal states. For instances, during the peak period of the Israeli kingdom under David/Solomon, some nations were paying tributes to David/Solomon yet the Israelis never had an empire. Do you know why? Go study and find out for yourself. The Assyrians, Babylonian, Greeks, Persians, Romans, Byzantine, Turks, Benins had empires because they consolidated their victories in the domains they defeated militarily. Did Oyo consolidate any of their victories? If they did, can you share such stories here for our consummation and conviction?

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Foreign Affairs › Re: ECO: West Africa Renames CFA Franc But Keeps It Pegged To Euro by Yujin(m): 6:24pm On Dec 22, 2019

ajl:
Just listen to yourself. I suppose you are still "tied" to your mother through an umbilical cord. I do not mean this in a abusive way. How in heaven in this 21st century will multiple nations put their reserve in the hands of their colonial master who prints their currency, use the funds as loans and all others. Grow some balls "Man". This world is not for the coward who do not want to brave the challenges of human existence. The black Africans seem not to understand the fact that its survival of the fittest. France do not give a shit about you or all of Africa. They are only after their interest. Start looking out for yours as Africans. I have dined and wined with these hawkish-minded people. They also take advantage of their own less fortunate people. Here, people are kept in debt for life. Now some are introducing home loans of 100 yrs, from one generation to the next. And you think people like this give a damn about your existence. Grow up, Man.

Well, I agree with you here.

Foreign Affairs › Re: ECO: West Africa Renames CFA Franc But Keeps It Pegged To Euro by Yujin(m): 6:22pm On Dec 22, 2019

ajl:
If what you are saying is right, they are just waiting their time. And you think Nigeria will accept that. Nigeria control 75% of the subregion commerce. Even France can't do anything about except to continue to destabilize Nigeria via arming foreign herdmen that go into Nigeria to cause ethnic tension or supporting Boko Haram underground.

Lol. What ever they do or intend to do holds more promise than whatever Nigeria plans to do. Bye bye to any single West African currency that will include Nigeria. This Nigeria can flex her frail muscles let's see.

Culture › Re: Oyo Empire by Yujin(m): 6:18pm On Dec 22, 2019

gregyboy:
The oyo empire shit was made up ,the only visable thing about the empire is d war the had with benin ruplic female warriors which they lost...
It was never an empire ,it was an organized kingdom

Yeah I know that. I'm a lover of history and do take my time to study things that interest me. The Oyo story was just blown out of proportion by history revisionists.
It's funny how a supposed army of an empire could lose to women warriors. Lol
Do these people know what empires are? Which none Yorubas were part of the Oyo army?

Foreign Affairs › Re: ECO: West Africa Renames CFA Franc But Keeps It Pegged To Euro by Yujin(m): 6:10pm On Dec 22, 2019

panpan:
This appears to be a subtle way by France to frustrate an independent joint West African currency.

France and Ivory Coast have cunningly changed the name "CFA" to "Eco", with currency links to France, but without the input of non-CFA West African countries.

What this means is that CFA countries in West Africa will now say that they have adopted the Eco, and it is left for non-CFA countries to join the now France-backed Eco or stay on their own.

Lol. My thoughts too. Nigeria is on a long thing in Ecowas.

Foreign Affairs › Re: ECO: West Africa Renames CFA Franc But Keeps It Pegged To Euro by Yujin(m): 6:06pm On Dec 22, 2019

ajl:
Why confuse ECO with what these francophone countries are doing with their CFA franc. They are two different things. Eco is for the entire subregion including Nigeria. Except if you argue that it is prelude prior to launch of ECO.

Introducing ECO is the only way France can't challenge this because they know that ECO currency include Nigeria which they have no control over. Now you understand why France has been sponsoring Boko Haram to help breakup Nigeria, as well as supporting Biafra in the civil war. A weaker or smaller Nigeria mean total domination of West Africa by France. So, when we agitate for breakup of Nigeria we need to understand global politics as well. The entire subregion and the whole of Africa will be doomed.

You're getting it wrong. This is entirely different from the one intended by the whole ecowas member state of which Nigeria is involved. This Eco is only for the CFA West African countries. Nigeria has no say here.

Foreign Affairs › Re: ECO: West Africa Renames CFA Franc But Keeps It Pegged To Euro by Yujin(m): 6:02pm On Dec 22, 2019

JubrinElSudan:
How about the ecowas currency? If that pulls through, changing currency twice within a decade for them

Same thought here. Lol. They know that there won't be any ecowas currency simply because Nigeria is involved. This their currency holds more future than any one intended with Nigeria.
Well, it's a welcome development. I only hope they can maintain it and don't have to fall back to France again in the future.

Culture › Re: Oyo Empire by Yujin(m): 4:45pm On Dec 22, 2019

BuhariAdvocate:
Arguing with you would only make me stupid like you. And to make the matter worst you lack sense of history.

Meanwhile oyo empire was established on 12th century and it was collapsed in 18th century.

By 1680, the Oyo Empire spanned over 150,000 square kilometers. It reached the height of its power in the 18th century.
Oyo empire conquered dahomey and part of Togo. Many empires signed a treaty with oyo empire from been attack and free trade routes. Popular among them are, Ghana.
Sosso.
Mali.
Songhai.
Sokoto Caliphate.
Akan Kingdoms and emergence of Asante Empire.

However oyo empire grew to become the largest Yoruba state. It rose through the outstanding organizational and administrative skills of the Yoruba people, wealth gained from trade and its powerful cavalry. The Oyo Empire was the most politically important state in the region from the mid-15th to the late 18th century,holding sway not only over most of the other kingdoms in Yorubaland, but also over nearby African states, notably the Fon Kingdom of Dahomey in the modern Republic of Benin to the west.

In conclusion the fact that you ibos hate Yoruba, i think it doesn't make sense to undermine their accomplishments. This tribe has been blessed and God made them head over all thing's.

There's nothing like hate in my comment. I just penned my observation on the so called 'Oyo Empire'. Like I said, the relics of all old empires are there for all to see. From the Assyrian to our own nearby Benin empires, their artifacts speak volumes of their accomplishments. As for Oyo, there are no such things. I never said that Oyo wasn't great in her peak. I just see them like I see the Igalas who were able to extend their influence militarily into northern Igboland, Idomaland and even into Benin areas but couldn't cement it into an empire level. If you have facts, provide them here.
There were European explorers in the 18th century who visited the present Nigerian areas and documented what they saw. Their works are a solid yardstick to prove ones point in issues like this since you claimed that the Oyo empire witnessed it's peak period within the 18th century. Don't give me any history written by a contemporary Yoruba historian.
Finally, give me 4 ethnic groups that they Oyos were able to make subjects under their control and show me the relics of the Oyos there in the present age.

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Culture › Re: Oyo Empire by Yujin(m): 7:14am On Dec 22, 2019

Philistine:
I do not like arguing with an ignorant and shallow person. Reply the poser up there first.

You must learn to read properly before replying

Culture › Re: Oyo Empire by Yujin(m): 7:08am On Dec 22, 2019

Philistine:
Guy u be real mumu I swear! The Oyo language is the general Yoruba language been spoken in South west as of today. That is one of the footprints of the old Oyo empire, they were able to influence surrounding communities and villages with their culture.

Do you know what an empire is?

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Culture › Re: Oyo Empire by Yujin(m): 7:06am On Dec 22, 2019

Omoodua007:
What were your forefathers achievements ?

Lol.

Culture › Re: Oyo Empire by Yujin(m): 7:01am On Dec 22, 2019

I always laugh when I hear or see someone talking about Oyo Empire. Traces of an empire is always visible as can be seen in Benin Empire, Songhai Empire, Roman Empire etc. For Oyo, there's no credible facts just conjectures. I challenge anyone to name 4 non-Yoruba ethnic groups that were subsumed by the Oyos. That of Benins is clear to all. From the Akoko areas to Ondo proper and parts of Ekiti even Lagos Island to some parts of Anioma and majority part of Delta state to the remaining part of Edo state, the Benins footprint can be seen. For the Oyos, where are the footprints? Oyo could have been a great Kingdom who troubled their neighbours to the West but never succeeded in emerging as a strong Empire where they exert their influence to last for long.

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Travel › Re: Christmas Shoppers Storm Onitsha, Overloaded Vehicles Spotted Leaving The City by Yujin(m): 6:38am On Dec 22, 2019

ProudlyAfarmer:
I would never be bothered by your insult, it's a common thing among your race

If you can abuse and insult the national father, then who am I
?

You must learn to respect Ndigbo. You're first post was an insult on us hence I replied you the way I did. Learn to show respect.

Politics › Re: Danjuma: If I Talk About Nigeria, Nobody Will Sleep Again by Yujin(m): 7:44pm On Dec 21, 2019

ChimaAdeoye:
There is nothing going on EXCEPT that the FULANIs are using the Buhari Presidency to kill other tribes and annex other peoples territories.

I beg Nigerians especially southerners to brace up NOW for an impeding war with Fulanis. Unless we take this warning seriously and make proper arrangements, Fulanis will invade without warning and defeat us in this war they have been planning for decades.

The Fulani are barely up to 20 million in population and they know they cannot defeat any major tribe in an open war even if they have the backing of the Federal Government army. Their trump card to use deceit and surprise to attacks one the various tribes one by one, and use element of surprise to catch these tribes totally defenseless.

You're strongly in point but fulanis will not succeed. My only pain is the destruction that will characterize the imminent madness. Millions of people will be displaced and some demelanized entities may seize the opportunity to destroy the only hope of black Africa. That's my pain. Seems I worry too much about others.
As for the fulanis, the war will destroy all their gains.
As for Danjuma, his fears just started. If what he has to say will make others sleepless, it simply means that he's already sleepless. What he told the Yorubas is simply that they are making the likely resistance appear weak. Lol. I wonder why people can't see this!

Politics › Re: Danjuma: If I Talk About Nigeria, Nobody Will Sleep Again by Yujin(m): 7:25pm On Dec 21, 2019

ChimaAdeoye:
There is nothing going on EXCEPT that the FULANIs are using the Buhari Presidency to kill other tribes and annex other peoples territories.

I beg Nigerians especially southerners to brace up NOW for an impeding war with Fulanis. Unless we take this warning seriously and make proper arrangements, Fulanis will invade without warning and defeat us in this war they have been planning for decades.

The Fulani are barely up to 20 million in population and they know they cannot defeat any major tribe in an open war even if they have the backing of the Federal Government army. Their trump card to use deceit and surprise to attacks one the various tribes one by one, and use element of surprise to catch these tribes totally defenseless.

Politics › Re: Danjuma: If I Talk About Nigeria, Nobody Will Sleep Again by Yujin(m): 7:14pm On Dec 21, 2019

ConqueredWest:
Yujin contact me through Twitter @ANewDaw52801354

Send me a direct message through Twitter containing your number so that we can talk.

I really need to hear your stories about your days in the South(Mzanzi)

Noted

Travel › Re: Christmas Shoppers Storm Onitsha, Overloaded Vehicles Spotted Leaving The City by Yujin(m): 4:59pm On Dec 21, 2019

ProudlyAfarmer:
Honestly Hausa governance has done a lot for the Igbo race...

Imagine that beautiful edifice iron bridge...

They are even getting the second brigde already
.

Igbo people, think and be grateful to the Hausa

I feel like insulting you but had to restrain myself. I don't blame you.

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Politics › Re: Danjuma: If I Talk About Nigeria, Nobody Will Sleep Again by Yujin(m): 10:13am On Dec 20, 2019

jakandeola:
I know IBO will come to d rooms and start shouting

Is that all you have to say? The way you have to chip in Igbo in a thread that doesn't concern them shows that you're obsessed with them.

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Politics › Re: Danjuma: If I Talk About Nigeria, Nobody Will Sleep Again by Yujin(m): 10:11am On Dec 20, 2019

jakandeola:
I know IBO will come to d rooms and start shouting

Politics › Re: Danjuma: If I Talk About Nigeria, Nobody Will Sleep Again by Yujin(m): 10:06am On Dec 20, 2019

T.Y Danjuma should know that keeping silent will never help the situation. In 50yrs to come, a simple decision like this will be debated by the remnants of the carcass of this evil contraption. What will be the condition of his own Jukun people that time? Gowon is silent too. Same way he's pointing fingers to most Yoruba leaders appearing scared over the present situation of Nigeria is the same way I see his hesitation to speak publicly. I careless about the many evils he has done in the past because I know a lot about what he has in mind and I've been saying them here since. Death and destruction has been planned and are carefully been executed by fulanis in Nigeria. Are Buhari's actions and inactions not visible enough for people to see? I wonder the type of charm used on the people of Nigeria. A supposed intelligent people appearing so dumb is beyond belief. Something is wrong somewhere. Fulani terrorist herdsmen have killed thousands of people and occupied lands that hitherto never belonged to them, yet not even a single herdsman have been prosecuted. It is IPOB who haven't killed anyone or invaded any land not belonging to them that are tagged a terrorist organization. Such misplaced attention cannot be explained.

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Politics › Re: Danjuma: If I Talk About Nigeria, Nobody Will Sleep Again by Yujin(m): 9:50am On Dec 20, 2019

LegendHero:
Rubbish.

Nigeria is the only country where crazy politicians always feign innocence and abuse those in power only for them to get there and repeat the same tyranny.

Both the political class and the followers are bird of a feather. No matter who rules Nigeria, we will still have the same problem if the structure of our democracy remain as it is.

I liked your post because you've seen Nigeria for what it really is. Anything short of changing the structure of the contraption either through restructuring or fragmenting it is a waste of time. I and members of my group see fragmenting as more feasible than restructuring because of the probable outcome from the various permutations we've done.

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Politics › Re: IPOB Stage Peaceful Protest In Owerri(pictures) by Yujin(m): 9:41am On Dec 20, 2019

GenBuhari:
IPOB are proscribed that means that they have no business protesting, whether peaceful or otherwise .

If you are breaking the law and defying constituted authority you cannot claim to be peaceful.

Lol. As they are breaking the law by protesting peacefully, you can go and shoot them lawfully. Is that not the jungle mentality? We are watching.

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Politics › Re: Burial Poster Of ACP Oliver Abbey, Killed By Suspected IPOB Members In Anambra by Yujin(m): 9:27am On Dec 20, 2019

EmptyCoconutHead:
gunned down 4 People where? or is it the propaganda that Emma Powerful fed u with?
The Police only came to peacefully arrest the said Barr Ejiofor but were met with resistance from the insurgent TERRORISTS and they killed two police officers and someone here by moniker gidgiddy said IPOB is a peaceful group.
IPOB are cop killers, if you're staying around that vicinity just find a way an egress and perhaps join your brothers to hawk gala over here in Lagos cos it's about to get dirty

Do I expect less from an 'emptycoconuthead'?

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Politics › Re: State Of South Africa 2019: We Are All Nigerian Now? (Influential Editor Writes) by Yujin(m): 12:21pm On Dec 19, 2019

ConqueredWest:
Where you dey now.?

You no expect me to write am here now.

Politics › Re: State Of South Africa 2019: We Are All Nigerian Now? (Influential Editor Writes) by Yujin(m): 8:38pm On Dec 18, 2019

rdokoye:
Isn't Botswana a second world country? What about Gabon? There are many medium developed nations in Africa. So what you've written is untrue.

That said, there's no logic behind your reasoning. The facts, as I've outlined them are simple: the massive infrastructure deficit in the country is due to the WHITE government. So how could you possibly conclude that they are the only ones that could/can fix it?

Since you don't know nor understand white people (I'm assuming you were born and raised in black Africa, due to your lack of dignity and self respect), let me tell you what they would do. If white people were to reclaim control of South Africa, all they'd do is implement policies that benefits their demographic at the expense of the locals. And as justification, they'd simply blame the locals for their own predicament.

South Africa doesn't need further entrenchment, it needs BOLD African leaders, that are willing to do whatever it takes to safeguard its people. Even if it means stepping on white peoples hands. That's the main problem in South Africa, the HUGE wealth disparity. White people control EVERYTHING in South Africa, and they're not willing to give it up. South Africa's economy needs to be redistributed, all must eat, or they'll forever be chaos in the land.

Lol at Gabon and Botswana being developed. You don't know Jack. None of those countries are close to the level of SA developmentally. My friend, even SAns know that their black government have failed them. Blacks generally have so far proven not to be able to handle countries properly. There's no single black country different from the rest. I'm not saying all blacks are incapable of a positive change. Of course, some blacks have contributed greatly to advancement in various fields of endeavours but you and I know that non of them will be allowed to head a country. It's our collective fault. SA as at present have no such visionary leader. That is not debatable. Even Malema is not fit for the job.

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