₦airaland Forum

Totti9:
Yoruba Lol

Only a fool will believe that there is anyone or group of people who speak for the more than 30 tribes in the so called Niger-Delta

Thunderlicious:
Mad group of imbeciles fighting a lost battle.

Freedom fighting is not a 90 minute game of football. There is no time limit. As long as people still believe in fighting for their freedom, their cause is not lost.

jneutron4000:
So broda is see it all politics and no region is a slave, the Yorubas knows that the Northerns has majority power that's why they believe forming align with them will get them into power while in the Southern region there have not being more unity compared to the Northern region. Obj was not dumb when he made GEJ the Vice President and made Yaradua the President if he had made it vice versa, that GEJ president and Yaradua vice, Buhari (ANPP) or Atiku Abubaka (AC) would have won the 2007 election because the north will vote massively for Buhari then because he even won a vote of 18% compared to Atiku 7%. And obj knowing fully well that soon power will return o the South, in 2011, The Yoruba massively voted for GEJ. GEJ won 58.89 % to Buhari 31.98%. Now, after gaining the support of the west, what did he do for the west? Even the SE and SS, what did he do apart from giving them major pofolio Minister of petroleum se, etc all those he gave important ministers totally neglected the west and even their regions. GEJ even did More to the north than than the south maybe becos he wants to gain favor. Was is not the other day a leader from the SS region said GEJ neglected them during the lunch of Ogoni clean up? And after GEJ pushed his political godfather away abi are you not aware of the Obj letter to GEJ and the replied letter. Even the so called politics, the Northern are not really good at it, is just the power of unity among them which the Southerns lack. In that map, it show the state GEJ won in the 2007 election all green is where GEJ and that blue is Osun state where Ribadu won. So it all game and not region should see themselves as slave, because you guys have started calling for freedom in your own country, you are giving the Northerns power now imagine them wanting to start claiming Enugu

Let me explain this in simple terms so that maybe you will understand. Im an Igbo man, I have fought before to get my own country. I do not need Nigeria and I dont want Nigeria. There are also other tribes in the south of Nigeria who are fighting to control their land and sovereinghty. They will also tell you that they don't need Nigeria. What makes a slave as a Yoruba man is that your thinking is yet to go past 'one Nigeria'. That's why you will be aligning and realigning for political position in a messed up country like Nigeria forever. The idea of you being free, standing alone, governing your self is just beyond your level of thinking. Well, some of us are no longer in the mental trap of 'one Nigeria', we are now aspiring for something more important.

jneutron4000:
you are very funny with this kind of reasoning, you know what really baffles me with you igbos, is the slavering mentality of yours. First of all where some of you guys because it not all of you are crying for freedom in the the country your forefathers fought for to be liberated from the colonial master. The reason why the Hausa and Fulanis now see you guys as slaves is because some of you actually thinks you are slaves in Nigeria. Now, The Yoruba is NEVER and would NEVER be a slave in Nigeria to anybody or tribe for the record, A Yoruba man has Ruled this country during the Military and Democracy(8 years) also we have Yorubas as commanders in higher authorities too so what are we talking about? As you guys can also testify to this that apart from the politics, when we check the basic life the Northern are much more slaves,gate man, shoe shiner to the Igbos or have you seen where an Igbo man is a gate man to a Hausa man? No. So the problem is that you guys lack tactics in politics if not, we ought to have had an Igbo man to be president in this democracy rule.

You saying the same thing Im saying but in another way. The Yoruba man sold his sovereinghty for political crumbs in Nigeria. While other are asserting their sovereignty, confronting the Northernern hegemons, the Yorubas said "let us never challenge these people because they will allow us to rule from time to time".

Nobody tricked them. They hated Igbos just as much the Hausa/Fulani did. The only reason they they are saying this now is because they want to lose their identity as 'Northerners'. They are not fooling anybody. We Igbos know that when the time comes, they will always run to do the the bidding of their Northern overlords same as Yorubas. However, I have to give the middle belt some credit. Unlike the Yorubas that have never had the guts to stand up to the core North, middle belters have on two occasions tried topple them from power. Dimkas coup almost took down the regime of Murtala Mohammed while Orkahs nearly shredded that Babangida. Infact, in Orkahs announcement, he declared that core Northern states were no longer part of Nigeria. I like people who stand up to the core North.

Aaronzy:
the problem with you guys (Igbo's and the niger deltans) is dat u claim to be the special ones, even mourinho dat claimed to be the special one go and ask the chelsea fans what happened to his career!

But the difference is that neither Mourinho nor Chelsea are fighting that they must be "One Blues Brothers"

Joe Igbokwe seriously needs to go and question his mother about his paternity. Nigeria this, Nigeria that. Do people like him realise that Igbos survived before there was anything like Nigeria? Now that there is Nigeria, he has 25 reasons why Igbos cannot survive outside Nigeria? This same Joe Igbokwe said that Igbos should not seek independence because Igbo land cannot contain all Igbos yet the Lagos where Joe Igbokwe lives has a population of over 20 million and is just half the size of Abia state. Did Joe Igbokwe say anything when an Igbo woman was recently beheaded in Kano? Did he react when 100 unarmed Biafran protesters were murderd in Onitsha 2 weeks ago? What was his reaction when several people were shot dead as the were praying in a School field in Aba? What has he said about herdsmen attacking communities in Enugu, Anambra and Imo? What was his reaction when the Igbo Monarch of Ubulu-Uku in Delta state was kidnapped by Fulani Herdsmen and murdered last year? Everything is about shouting 'one Nigeria' all over the place and licking the a$$ of the Northerners. Joe Igbokwe is just what we Igbos call an "Efulefu"

sleekbae:
The O.P is highly flawed. The urhobos are the majority in Delta state constituting more than 54% of the total population, not Anioma.

Again,,Ijaws don't need Nigeria, Nigeria needs Ijaws. Its only in Nigeria a minority feeds the majority. Shame!!

NB: Are you a boombooclat? The ijaws were not handed the presidency. Jonathan won at the polls, deal with it. You speak like Nigeria did Ijaws a favour by handing them the presidency as a compensation for exploiting and stealing their oil wealth.

Receive sense!

Urohbos make up 54% of Delta state? Meaning that Itsekiris, Isoko,Anioma and Ijaws make up the remaining 44%? I find that hard to believe.

This has become a national embarrassment. Everyone, Buhari supporter or not, must insist that Buhari must produce his WASC! What kind of nonsense is this? This is all about intergrity. How is it that at this stage, we are still debating if the president of Nigeria has common WASC?! Chei!

Murtala's coup was actually code named 'operation Araba'. Araba I garther is 'to separate' in Hausa. After that bloody coup, it was Murtalas intention to fly all the senior Northern officers to Kaduna where they would declare secession of the North from Nigeria. But when Murtala and co where informed that the North would not be viable without the far more economically advanced South, their tune changed to 'one Nigeria'. Murtala himself could not assume power since he was much junior to Gowon so Gowon took over as the highest ranking officer of Northern extraction. The moral of the story is that the so called "one Nigeria" has always been predicated on economic expediency rather than patriotism. Lugard created 'one Nigeria' because he came to West Africa to look for money, the North and their Yorubas allies shout 'one Nigeria' because they are looking for Oil money. So when I see anyone shouting "one Nigeria", as an Igbo man, I laugh in my heart because I already know what it is all about. To this day, I'm yet to hear or see any Igbo man shout 'one Nigeria' whenever the issue of Oduduwa or Arewa Republic comes up. But mention Biafra...................

The OP is misguided. The Ijaws do not need Nigeria. I say this as an Igbo man. The Ijaws are a blessed people, they have immense shorelines, immence Oil and natural Gas reserves. While most Nigerians have benefited from Ijaw resources, Ijaws have benefited nothing from being part of Nigeria. Ijaws can do comfortably without Nigeria. So Nigeria did not do Ijaws any favours with the presidency. An independent Ijaw nation would have done much better and much happier if they had been an independent nation. As much as Igbos like me would want a separate existence outside Nigeria such federal system or confederal system, it stems from the fact that Ijaw sovereinghty cannot be guaranteed without one of the majorities standing by them. Either way, just like I said. The Ijaw nation can do very well without Nigeria.

kropotkin2:
Ecowas rules stipulate only a 90 day permit after which non nationals need apply for residency. You cant just head out to Ghana and settle there.. Also know something, there can be no happy separation

There is no happy union either, so it's time to give separation a try.

vicadex07:
When we did "ghana must go" to ghanians, what do you think happened to abandoned Ghanaian properties...

Have you heard any Ghanain complain that their property was siezed by Nigeria?

bakynes:
You are wrong abt the automatic residency status, there is visa free access which you will be given time of stay. If there was an auto-matic residency why did the shagari govt come up with the " Ghana must go" campaign. Which property lawyer will collect rent from his fellow country man and send it down to you in another country where is that done except the property manager is a saint. Guy accept the fact i have told you in my last post. Nigeria is not doing anything bad here, is either biafrans apply for Nigerian residency or you remain as Nigerians. Even if Biafran joins Ecowas they can only have visa free access with a limited time of stay. I can assure you Nigeria has the right to choose which biafran they give resident permit/ Citizenship/ Business visa and not every biafran will get one so at the end of it all some biafrans will loose their properties.

Have you ever asked why there is ECOWAS embossed on top of the Nigerian passport? You think it is there for fun? That sign is there to remind the any country in West Africa you go to that you are a citizen of an ECOWAS member state and you have the full right to travel, live and work anywhere in West Africa. The only reason that Ghanains could be deported long ago was because Nigeria and other member states had not yet signed the 1992 ECOWAS free trade agreement. Anyone from any ECOWAS country can travel, live and work in Nigeria without Visa. There are many people in Nigeria, some living abroad who have handed their properties over to estate managers or even their Lawyers to take of for them. It happens all time.

vicadex07:
why didn't you apply this law when Ijaws seized your properties during the civil war

Because Biafra did not manage to secede in the long run and become recognised by the UN. We are talking about in the "event of secession".

vicadex07:
why didn't you apply this law when Ijaws seized your properties during the civil war

Because Biafra did

bakynes:
One question for you what if Nigeria claim they dont have the monetary equivalent of the biafran properties and wont issue Resident visas to biafrans? What then becomes of such properties? That is why before you acquire a property in britain from another country of birth, you must first of all acquire a british citizenship or residency. If you are coming as an investor, govt will give you a waiver to that effect and onces you decide to close down the business/investment and go back to your home country no body will give u any monetary equivalent of your property. Best you can do is to get the property sold before leaving. If biafrans dont get buyers for their properties and refused residency visas, the properties is as good as gone

There is one thing to note. Whenever a country secedes from another, there is always a period of negotiations for the "terms of disengagement" that follows. It happened when East Timor left Indonasia. It is during this time that the sharing of assets and liabilities are discussed as well as the status of citizens of old and new countries. Sometimes, the residency status is not an issue like the case of when Czecoslovakia split into Czec Republic and Repubic of Slovakia in 1992, the residency was not a problem because both countries we're immediately admitted into the EU and their citizens gained immediate residency status. It could be that if any group of people in Nigeria left, example if Igbos left as the Republic of Biafra, they might gain almost immediate residency status if Biafra joins ECOWAS. All ECOWAS member states have automatic residency status in any of the 15 countries that make up ECOWAS. But in the case that Biafra does not join ECOWAS and the Nigerian Government decides not to to give the Biafrans residency or even a 'grace period' to liquidate their assets, the Biafrans will have return home with movable assets while the immovable ones such as houses can be handed over estate managers, property Lawyers and so on to manage on their behalf, collect rent or sell on their behalf. However, the disadvantage of Nigeria doing this is that it will give Nigeria a very bad name in the international community and make international investors run away. What these people will think is "If Nigerians can do that to Igbos they used to call brothers, what can they do to me tomorrow as a foreigner?". This will be devastating for the Nigerian economy.

babadee1:
Please quote the international law statutes that you're referring to. As far as I know every country makes the laws that governs the ownership of properties and businesses within its own borders. That is not the purview of international law which general deals with issues between countries.

Article 17 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights of which Nigeria is a signatory to states:

"(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.


(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property"


Besides this law, there is nothing in the Nigerian constition that gives the Government the right to sieze anyone's property , wether citizen or not, without any just cause. Infact, the only time a Government in a democracy can sieze a property without compensation is if the property was being used for or acquired by crime, under the proceeds of crime act.

Musiwa419:
Lol. Secession took place in Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Sudan, Ethopia etc etc; give us examples of how ownership of properities was sorted out in the sovereign countries that emerged from the aforelisted


You ibos are short sighted and myopic. Your arrogance and brashness have dimed your sense of reasoning. You often act before you think.

Nnamdi Kanu and his sponsors obviously did not think through the Geo-Politics involved in secession before Kanu went on with his radio biafra. He thinks secession is just about cursing ''yoloba'' and ''awusa-Fulani'' on the radio

The question you are asking has already been answered on the thread. International law protects anyone's investment or properties anywhere in the world. Where there are usually problems is in shared Ownership of properties, investments,liabilities and debts. But those things can be worked out in negotiations. Secession by one group from a political Union is no longer novelty, not even in Nigeria. In 2014, there was a referendum in Scotland. In the same Britain, there will be another referendum in Britain in about a week to decide if they want to stay in the European union or not. Even in Nigeria, in the 60's there was a referendum when the Northern British Cameroons voted in referendum to join Nigeria while the South of it voted to join French Cameroons. So secession is not a new thing and if there are any group of people in Nigeria who awant to leave, they should be given a referendum

Adelaide2:
Every sensible country runs its politics on sets of ideologies. Hence we have right wing versus left wing in such countries. In my other country it is the Republicans on the tight and the Democrats on the left. Even India has same, as shown in the photo below.

So my question is, where are the ideologies in Nigerian politics? Do we have left and right wings in Nigerian politics? What do APC, PDP APGA etc stand for ideologically speaking ?

Nigeria is not politically advanced to have ideologies. What we have are those have power and those who jostling for it. If there are any ideologies at all, they are ethnic based.

americanigga:
Anytime I think of Biafra one of the things I remember is Igbo property- Estate and Companies in lagos and other parts of Nigeria. Because of the incessant quarrel between Igbos and Yorubas on Nairaland, I keep wondering if Biafra goes to war with Nigeria or succeeds in breaking away from Nigeria, what Yorubas would do to Igbo Companies and Estate?

My first question goes to the Yorubas. will you go after Igbo property in yoruba land especially lagos if they secede?

My second question goes to Biafra. How do you plan to protect your property in Yoruba land and other part in Nigeria if you decide to go to war with or break away from Nigeria? Do you regrete developing Yoruba land instead of yours?

I believe the answers to these questions will show that Nigerian must be one

These questions are not necessary. There are international laws that protect the properties and investments of anyone, anywhere in the world. For example, if Igbos should breakaway as Biafra, whatever properties the Igbos have anywhere is protected as long as the property or investment is not deemed to be acquired through illegal means. Should the Nigerian Government decide to sieze those investments just because the Igbos are no longer part of Nigeria, they will be required to reimburse the owners the monetary equivalent under international law. Should the Nigerian Government decide not to obey international law, they they put the properties and investments of Nigerians worldwide in jeopardy including that of the Government its self. When it comes to the issue of secession, most who support it will tell you they want it through the peaceful means of a referendum just as was done in Scotland in 2014, and not through war.

bakynes:
You have a point but it was only Akintola that opened fire. The sadaurna did not open fire instead they sprayed his office building, the building is still there in the North for all to see. They killed the Finance minister Okotie-Eboh he was from the midwest and many others from other region. Not one single leader from the East was even arrested not to talk of killing them.

All this maybe true, but this thread is about Aburi. The Aburi meeting was to reconcile the country after two bloody coups. The Nzeogwu coup killed less than 15 people, the counter coup claimed over 300. What ended in an agreement at Aburi, signed and sealed, was broken by Gowon which resulted in war.

Just look at all the Senior Advocates of Nigeria that Buhari is employing just so that he won't bring out his certificate. When a person is going to that length over common WASC, then something is wrong somewhere.

It is either of three things

1)Buhari never sat for WASC, making his entire Military career and his Presidency a fraud.

2) Buhari sat for WASC but did not make the minimum qualification and doesn't want to expose himself

3) Buhari sat for WASC and has the relevant qualification but he did so at a much later date which makes his Presidency legitimate but renders his entire Military career fraudulent as he should have that qualification before or during his enrollment into the Army.

It is a known fact that the Saduana and other Northern leaders were so desperate to fill the Northern quoter in the armed forces that they visited the few Secondary Schools there in the North to talk to students to apply even before they wrote their final exams. Retired Northern Army Officer Paul Tarfa who joined the Army around the same time as Buhari in the early 60's said that it was a letter from his School principal he used to get into the Army and that he did not see his WASC results until he had been commissioned as an Officer!

alizma:
PDP will now channel their strength in pursuance of this course and before they know it, here comes 2019.
and to add insult to their injury, Bubu will win again.

Law of power, no 39 and 48 activated by Buhari .

That is not the issue here. The issue here is that if Buhari had no WASC, he should not be in Aso Rock.

TippyTop:
Buhari should just show his certificate and stop beating round the bush.

If Buhari had a certificate to show, do you think he would be in court?

bakynes:
All you have written is trash, answer my question above before we can go further with a constructive argument. Why did they kill the leaders of Western, Northern, Mid-western Nigeria and left those of the East? If you cant answer it then just keep quiet.

That question is very simple to answer. Take Akintola for example. When they coup plotters came to arrest Akintola, he opened fire from his balcony. They returned fire and killed him. When they went to arrest 'Fani power', FFK's father, he willingly gave up. He survived the ordeal. When they went arrest Ahmadu Bello, his guards opened fire at the gates, the coup plotters returned fire. Most of those who were killed were people who resisted. I'm not defending the coup plotters, I'm just saying that most of those who were killed, died in the crossfire. As for the mid west and East, there was hardly any coup activity their because Enugu and Benin City were not as important as Lagos and Kaduna. However this thread is not about the first coup, this thread is about the violation of the Aburi accord by Gowon which led to the War.

Shewunoshewa:
By the time the country grinds to a halt economically and there is no money to share, the NASS and north will have no choice but to support true federalism.

Let's hope so but I know that unless something huge happens, the North will never agree to true federalism

bakynes:
Femi Adesina trying to buy sympathy of the igbos. He failed to mention what the igbo soldiers did before the masscre of igbos in 1966 in Northern Nigeria. Let us ask ourselves these question why kill leaders in Northern, Western and Mid western Nigeria and refuse to touch even one strand of hair on Eastern leaders. That alone is why they term it an igbo coup.

How can it be an Igbo coup when it was Igbos like Aguiyi Ironsi and Ojukwu who foiled the coup?

How can it be an Igbo coup when Major Ademoyega,Captain Adeleke and Lt Oyewole were major participants?

I think Ojukwu knew that the Northerners could not be trusted, same as the Yorubas. Ojukwu knew their antics well. Let's not forget that Ojukwu was born in the North and grew up as a young kid in Lagos. Ojukwu was one of the few people I have ever met who could speak Igbo/Hausa/Yoruba fluently. Ojukwu had the foresight to insist that the Aburi meeting be recorded, if not, the federal Government would have tried to sweep that meeting under the carpet just like they did with the war. It was the violation of the Aburi agreement by Gowon that led to the war. Naturally, Yorubas being a people who can never stand up for anything in Nigeria nodded their head to brazen grab of power by the North. But Ojukwu being the true Igbo son he is said no to slavery and stood up to fight. To this day, the average Yoruba still applauds himself on that act of cowardice concerning the Aburi agreement while rebuking Ojukwu for not accepting northern domination just like the Yoruba nation did. I will never understand how a person can congratulate themselves for being a coward but insult the people who had the guts to get up and fight for themselves. Wonders shall never end.

Anyone waiting for true federalism in Nigeria will be waiting a long time. It will never happen. The reason is that the North depends heavily on Government revenue. The North will fight vigorously to see that true federalism is not implemented. So where will the 'true federalism' come from? True federalism will mean constitutional change, which will mean debating it at the NASS where the North will vote it out. True federalism will never happen in Nigeria

madenigga:
Ojukwus father was d richest man during his time before the war took everything.

You are right about that. Ojukwus father was Sir Louis Philip Ojukwu, one of the richest men in Africa. The man's CV is intimidating. He was:

First president of the Nigerian Stock-Exchange

Chairman, John-Holt west Africa

CEO, Ojukwu Transport company

President, African continental Bank

Chairman, Eastern Nigeria produce board

Chairman, Costain West Africa

Chairman, African Shipping Council

KBE (Knight of the British Empire)

The man was something else........

Segadem:
[size=16pt]Hey, since 1969? ...and some people still follow that same path? These people will never learn[/size]

If it is learning how to become slaves of the Hausa/Fulany dynasty, yes we shall never learn!