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Joagbaje: We don't tithe because of the Jewish law. We tithe because its a kingdom principle..

What do you mean we? please speak for yourself. peeps like Gombs tithe because the Melchizedek priesthood is eternal

Gombs: Pastors receive tithe because they are not of the levitical priesthood. They are of Melchizedek order.

Gombs: But I thought u said he was long dead..I mean Melchizedek...if you dont acept is is alive, then we have no further thing to discuss...why? Because the Order of Melchizedek has no succession, if u said he died or is dead, then that means it has a successor.

am still trying to reconcile the posts above. are you saying that pastor don't die? cos you also told us they are of the Melchizedek order!

Gombs: People of God From this scripture Deut 14 from 22 was speaking of Tithing principle in the Levitical order...it told them how they should go about it and it ended thus

"that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work
of thine hand which thou doest"

If you notice it had a semi colon...meaning do all that from v22 to 29 then the above will be urs. That's under the levitical order. How does dis mean that the Levitical order blessed the tither? Did Aaron bless any tither? Why not? Because He can't...bible said Melchizedek could because he was greater than Abraham who was in turn greater than Levi who bore the Levitical order.

If then the Levitical order can't bless, Who then was Mal 3v8 refering to? The order that can bles or the one that couldn't?

Both Priestly type (Melchi & Levite) can bless.

Abraham was not blessed by Melchi because of tithe.....

“Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth. And praise be to God Most High, who delivered your enemies into your hand.”

The Levi priests (due to priestly office) were also capable of dishing out similar blessings just like Melchi.

Numbers 6:22-26 (NIV)
22 The Lord said to Moses, 23 “Tell Aaron and his sons, ‘This is how you are to bless the Israelites. Say to them:
24 “‘“The Lord bless you
and keep you;
25 the Lord make his face shine on you
and be gracious to you;
26 the Lord turn his face toward you
and give you peace.”’

The Israelite gave tenths of their agric produce just as Abraham gave tenth of war booty. The Israelite were know tithers and the Levi priest is capable of blessing them. Melchi blessed (but not for tithe) same way the Levi priests blessed.

Gombs: Pastors receive tithe because they are not of the levitical priesthood. They are of Melchizedek order.

They were ordained pastors after the order of melchizedek? They are pastors forever according to the order of Melchizedek abi? Lol!

Gombs: We christians are priests of that order, but Pastors are in charge of his brethren that's why he collects them on behalf of the order.

okay, pastor collect your tithe on behalf of the order abi? so they need to remit the tithe collections na. or are you saying pastors have the rank of high priest and therefore entitled to chop/keep the tithe just like Melchizedek? Lol!

Gombs: I pay tithe to the priesthood.

Good for you

Gombs: I pay tithe to the Priesthood because it is eternal....

..and not because God requires it. Thanks for the clarification. if only tithers like bidam or image can be this sincere.

Gombs: But we pay tithe to that Order of priesthood, just as the folks of old paid to the Aaronic order (levitical priesthood)

Good to read that Gombs pay tithe to order of melchizedek, for the sake of other readers i will add that the "folks of old" did not pay tithe to the Aaronic order or Levitical Priesthood. The people gave their tithe to the Levites as a tribe and not to a priesthood as preached by Gombs. Please note that not all Levites were priests, but all Levites were entitled to tithe as a people. Abraham gave his tithe to Melchizedek, he did not give his tithe to a priesthood.

If you decide to pay your tithe to the order of Melchizedek, thats your wahala. We all know that God did not command anybody to give tithe to the order of Melchizedek.

Candour: The reference to Levi there is analogous to my unborn children partaking in my actions now because they are in my loins. That should be clear to you I suppose.

Are you an unborn foetus? I believe you're not otherwise you won't be talking to me so don't pattern your tithe after the Unborn Levi.

Since you follow Abraham and he gave His tithes to Melchizedek physically, I ask again.

Lol! @bolded

ayoku777: I said Jesus is Melchizedek, you guys said no, that having no beginning doesn't mean pre-existing creation. That it was just referring to his genealogy.

Yes. I support the tithe lovers on this bit.

ayoku777: Now, since he has an endless life like Jesus (but he's not Jesus) and a forever priesthood like Jesus (but he's not Jesus), so where is he now? Coz he has to be alive somewhere. Is he running a concurrent priesthood with Jesus now? Coz he has a forever priesthood too, like Jesus. Or Jesus is in the same priesthood with him? If so who is the high priest and who is the priest? Or both of them are high priest together, since he is not Jesus?

Good question. Our tithe lovers don't have an answer to this. My position is that Melchi was human like Abraham and co. If he appeared from thin air at the time Abbie was coming in from battle, the reaction (from Abbie) would have been different. He was one of the peeps that came to welcome Abbie from battle alongside the King of Sodom. He was no stranger to Abbie and giving him a tenth of the war spoils was nothing more than a routine procedure.

ayoku777: Or you wana change your mind that Melchizedek is not a real person, just an allegorical figure used to explain the priesthood of Christ?

If this is true, i don't see our tithe lovers recovering from this o! what will they hold on to as the justification for tithing? anyways there is always Jacob, afterall he offered to tithe

ayoku777: You guys have no idea the heresis you're building up, just coz you so badly wana defend your tithing and anti-tithing views.

You think they care? the need to maintain their stomach is more important.

Gombs: Zikky started from the fact that Melchi was mortal (a man)

...and i still maintain that he is human.

Gombs: Then he said he was Jesus

stop embarrassing yourself. i did not at any time say that Melchizedek was Jesus. The good thing is that readers don't have to listen to/read you when they can read my posts.

Gombs: Then he said the bible didn't record Melchizedek's genealogy

that's true. or do you see it recorded anywhere in the bible

Gombs: Then he now agreed they are not same

i never said Jesus & Melchi are one and same. My post is available for review.

Gombs: Then now he is saying the his crew are not against tithing bt against preaching it

Finally, you've learnt how to read. Congratulations! we can now proceed to the next level; how to interpret

Gombs: There are better ways to hide your shame sir! Jesus is in same order of Priesthood as Melchizedek is not the same as they are ranked together

Every high priests in the levitical priesthood had equal rank, any high priest featuring in Melchizedek's priesthood will have similar/equal rank. Just as Mosthigh would say "you cannot be greater than your master". If you now consider Jesus priesthood as one that takes tithe (because melchizedek collected tithe), you have only succeeded in viewing Melchi and Christ as equals. especially when we know that Jesus priesthood only resembled that in Melchizedek in the fact Melchi was a king/priest and he is believed to be a priest forever.

Bidam: Are scriptures not for doctrine or teaching?

It all depends on what you are teaching. or how it is taught. How do you teach tithe? Do you encourage the congregation to give 10% when they can give more? Do you stipulate a minimum threshold even when some members of the church may not be able to achieve that minimum threshold?

Don't you think you are already influencing the giving of church members when you recommend percentages? The implication is that their giving is as decided by pastor. what is the implication of such teachings when you place it alongside Jesus & the apostle's teachings that giving should be from the heart?

theoctopus: You have delved into grave error and heresy with every post you post.

1. If Melchizedek is alive for evermore like Jesus and according to you, his priesthood is like Jesus, then we have two everlasting high priests running in parallel. That is serious heresy you have posted there. You have created for yourself, an immense problem. So as we speak, Jesus is not the only high priest. If that is true, the whole message of salvation falls like a pack of cards. There were never two high priests in Israel. There were many priests but never two high priests. If you have two high priests running parallel today, who do we go to for salvation. What you do not understand obviously is the function of the high priest.

@bolded, i want to believe tithers like bidam & Gombs go to Melchizedek for their salvation.

theoctopus: 2. Because you are trying so hard to justify your collection of tithes, you have twisted scriptures in dangerous ways. When the bible talked about Melchizedek not having beginning and end, he wasnt equating him with deity. He was talking clearly about his genealogy. But you cant see that because you are bent on justifying your tithe collection. Sad!

The man even elevated Melchizedek equating him to God himself when he said....

Gombs: Did the speaker talk of a blessing to the tither?
If He did, then it means He could Bless, meaning it was
Likened to the order of Michizedek who blessed after receiving the tithe.

Now God's blessing is just as good as Melchizedek's blessing you.

This is what happens when you reason with your stomach.

Bidam: If truly this is your assertion,then you should advise your crew to stop throwing mud and insults at those who tithe.God bless.

they are not against you tithing. They are against you preaching it. It is is not preachable.

Bidam: PHEW!! when will you ever agree that tithing predates the mosaic law I ain't the one saying it.It's scriptures bro..Go back to the beginning of the thread abeg.
PHEW

i was going to respond to this when i observed you taken some time to read my post again. The issue is not about tithing predating the law, i know i don't argue that. The issue is pastors and supporters like you preaching tithe according to the law. If your tithing is inspired by tithers before the law, then preach tithe as an activity before the law. The tithe with its curse & blessings under the law is not for Christians.

Bidam: The argument is change of law NEVER declared the tithes to be cancelled since the change of priesthood necessitated the change of law.

If you agree the law changed, the tithe commanded under the old law went with the old law as well. now there is no other law that says "pay your tithe" meaning the giving of a tenth or 10% is at your discretion.

Bidam: Infact, Melchizedek example enhances and buttressed the tithe further.Abraham paid a tenth to him.

Levi (hence the Levitical priesthood) is a descendant of Abraham. Therefore, Levi is lesser than Abraham.

Melchizedek is greater than Abraham because he does not descend from Levi, received the tenth from Abraham, and blessed Abraham.

Obviously, the one who gives the blessing is greater than the one who receives the blessing.

Therefore, Melchizedek is far greater than Levi and the priesthood of Melchizedek is far greater than the Levitical priesthood. Further, the scriptures record the death of the Levitical priests. But Melchizedek lives on.

The superiority of Melchizedek priesthood is not a command to tithe.

Bidam: If we change the priesthood then we must have a new law in effect. Particularly, since Jesus is our high priest (as the writer has argued repeatedly throughout the hebrew text) then we have a problem because he belongs to another tribe.

Jesus our Lord came from the tribe of Judah, and no one from Judah ever functioned as a priest of God and Moses did not speak about that tribe being a priesthood. So there must be a change of law since there has been a change of priesthood.

you are saying what every other person been saying. The law has changed, the command to tithe went with the old law. You are have freedom in Christ to give as much as you can. There is no command restricting the value of your giving today.

Bidam: The argument is change of law NEVER declared the tithes to be cancelled since the change of priesthood necessitated the change of law.

Like i will tell anybody that care to read and understand, as long as tithers/pastors define tithe as a tenth or 10%, you can never truly cancel tithe. what was cancelled was the tithe instituted by God. every giving is a percentage of something. if i go to church and give 10% of the money in my wallet, by tithers definition i have tithed. We all tithe, one way or the other but it is not the tithe commanded in Leviticus, it is not the tithe you read about in Numbers, Deuteronomy, Malachi, Chronicles, Nehemiah, Mathew e.t.c

Gombs: Did the speaker talk of a blessing to the tither?
If He did, then it means He could Bless,

The speaker in Malachi 3:8 was God and you are talking about his ability to bless

Gombs: Did the speaker talk of a blessing to the tither?
If He did, then it means He could Bless, meaning it was
Likened to the order of Michizedek who blessed after receiving the tithe.

Now you are comparing Melchizedek to God the extent you guys will go to prove tithe

Gombs: Did the speaker talk of a blessing to the tither?
If He did, then it means He could Bless, meaning it was
Likened to the order of Michizedek who blessed after receiving the tithe.

Melchizedek blessed Abraham before receiving the tithe, not after.

Gombs: Where did you see I said he was walking the earth at the time Jesus was born?

Did I ever talk of Jesus' birth on this thread?

I just posted my last reply to you! Thanks for lying to keep up pace!

you are not the one that made the post below?....

Gombs: In the following passage we will see that Melchizedek had flesh, therefore, he was a human being but immortal. If Melchizedek had flesh before Jesus was
born, evidently he could not be Jesus.

Please don't blame me for your blunders. you stated clearly that Melchi is human but immortal and he had flesh before jesus was born. so how did i lie? if somebody is human and immortal, what is that telling you? that he is dead?

Gombs: I just posted my last reply to you! Thanks for lying to keep up pace!

i don't need your response. i don't post for the purpose of receiving a response. that's not why am here.

Gombs: Where is Kunle, Christembassey and Candour

Someone should call them, let's not go further into Melchizedek. We talking tithing and I related Mechizedek to tithing with pertinent questions no one answered. I await answers pls

The descendants of Aaron would be replaced by a
better priesthood, a better priest—and that has
enormous consequences:
"For when there is a change of the priesthood, there
must also be a change of the law" (v. 12).

Q: Why then do people say malachi 3v8 was written to
the those under the levitical priesthood even tho the
speaker talked about blessing u after u bring the
tithes?
A:

Q: did levital priests bless the tithers?
A:

Let me attempt ya question even though the question not directed at me:

Q.1 - Why then do people say malachi 3v8 was written to the those under the levitical priesthood even tho the speaker talked about blessing u after u bring the tithes?

Ans. the speaking blessing the target audience after the tithe is received in the storehouse have nothing to do with Melchizedek. The speaker was referring to those under the levitical priesthood because he was referring to the levitical tithe. He was not asking that they bring a tithe of war booty to the storehouse. Its a simple matter. Besides the blessing was for compliance/obedience to instruction/commandment.

Exodus 20:24 (NIV)
24 “‘Make an altar of earth for me and sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and fellowship offerings, your sheep and goats and your cattle. Wherever I cause my name to be honored, I will come to you and bless you.

The same people received blessing for every act of compliance including stuff like offering burnt offerings. abi you want to say that blessing is not only for people under the levitical priesthood

Q. 2 - did levitical priests bless the tithers?

Ans. - Yes o! The Israelites were tithers and receive blessing just as Melchi blessed Abbie..

Numbers 6:22-26 (NIV)
22 The Lord said to Moses, 23 “Tell Aaron and his sons, ‘This is how you are to bless the Israelites. Say to them:
24 “‘“The Lord bless you
and keep you;
25 the Lord make his face shine on you
and be gracious to you;
26 the Lord turn his face toward you
and give you peace.”’

Gombs: Q: Did the order of Melchizedek receive tithe and
blessed the tither?
A: yes

Wrong answer. The order of Melchizedek did not receive tithe and blessed the tither, rather it was melchizedek the priest that blessed Abraham. Abraham did not give tithe to the 'order' (whatever you mean by that) of Melchizedek, he gave the tithe to Melchizedek, a priest of God most high.

Gombs: In the following passage we will see that Melchizedek had flesh, therefore, he was a human being but immortal. If Melchizedek had flesh before Jesus was
born, evidently he could not be Jesus.

I could go on and on

Please don't go on o! how can Melchizedek be human and immortal? @bolded, i read you saying Melchizedek was still walking the earth at the time Jesus was born that means he is still around today (since he lives forever). Na wa for una.

Gombs:
Heb 7v 11 AMP
11 Now if perfection (a perfect fellowship between God and the worshiper) had been attainable by the Levitical priesthood—for under it the people were given the Law—why was it further necessary that there should [size=16pt] arise another and different kind of Priest, one after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one appointed after the order and rank of Aaron? [/size]



Need I say more?

You are not saying anything. you said Jesus is a different kind of the same kind (order). that is what you are saying and it makes not sense.

ayoku777: That since it is called 'the order of Melchizedek' by God, it means the first priest in that order is Melchizedek himself. Coz every priesthood order (including the ones that have succession - order of Aaron and Zadok) is named after the first priest in that order.

The problem has always been that people interpret order to mean an organization/structure. form strong's concordance we see that 'order' was translated using (H5010):

STRONGS NT 5010: τάξις

τάξις, τάξεως, ἡ (τάσσω), from Aeschylus and Herodotus down;

1. an arranging, arrangement.

2. order, i. e. a fixed succession observing also a fixed time: Luke 1:8.

3. due or right order: κατά τάξιν, in order, 1 Corinthians 14:40; orderly condition, Colossians 2:5 (some give it here a military sense, 'orderly array', see στερέωμα, c.).

4. the post, rank, or position which one holds in civil or other affairs; and since this position generally depends on one's talents, experience, resources, τάξις becomes equivalent to character, fashion, quality, style, (2 Macc. 9:18 2Macc. 1:19; οὐ γάρ ἱστορίας, ἀλλά κουρεακης λαλιᾶς ἐμοί δοκοῦσι τάξιν ἔχειν, Polybius 3, 20, 5): κατά τήν τάξιν (for which in Hebrews 7:15 we have κατά τήν ὁμοιότητα) Μελχισέδεκ, after the manner of the priesthood (A. V. order) of Melchizedek (according to the Sept. of Psalm 109:5 () עַל־דִּבְרָתִי), Hebrews 5:6, 10; Hebrews 6:20; Hebrews 7:11, 17, 21 (where T Tr WH omit the phrase)

Order as used in Psalms and Hebrews refers to an office defined by the character/nature of the person occupying the office.
After the order of Melchizedek is as good as saying after the nature/character/qualities of Melchizedek. and what is that nature/qualities?
1. Melchizedek was a priest upon his throne, just like Christ
2. The Jews believed Melchizedek had no successor just like Christ

I still don't see how this can be a justification for collecting tithe (for our tithe loving brothers and sisters). The resemblance (Jesus & Melchizedek) is on two qualities above. What has Melchizedek collecting tithe got to do with Christ as a priest

ayoku777: More humility is needed in understanding scripture than dogma. The Melchizedek priesthood is something that still remains to a large extent a mystery. But it seems the early church had other scriptural texts about him that we are not privileged to have around anymore.

Be that as it may from the little account that we have of him in Genesis, Psalms and Hebrew, these are what we can deduce.

That the Melchizedek priesthood is a forever priesthood, there is no succession in it because those in it have eternal life and can't die.

That since it is called 'the order of Melchizedek' by God, it means the first priest in that order is Melchizedek himself. Coz every priesthood order (including the ones that have succession - order of Aaron and Zadok) is named after the first priest in that order.

That since it is a forever priesthood, it means Melchizedek is the first priest and eternal high priest of that order. And subsequent priests must be born of him. Coz you must be born of the high priest to be a priest in an order.

Now, from the book of Hebrew description of Melchizedek, it said he has 'no beginning'. Beginning means before creation. There are only two people in the universe that pre-existed the beginning, and that is YHWH and the Word. 'In the beginning God' and 'In the beginning was the Word'.

You are very correct here, but the thing is Melchi is not Jesus. If he is not Jesus, Melchi must have beginning and end. that tells us one thing; that Melchi was a local king known to Abraham and even the King of Sodom. Not having records of him in scriptures might just be God's plan to have Melchi shown as a representation of Christ.

Gombs: Zikky!
Thank God you got it!


Now...I await Candour and Christembassey and Kunle

am not through with your case yet. I still don't agree with you in some areas.

for example you cannot be saying Jesus is a diiferent 'kind' and say at the same time they are of the same order.

Gombs: Christ brought us salvation, he is a priest of his own kind, but of d same order o! Of his own kind was because he brought us salvation with his blood, Melchizedek didnt....but all of them are of same ORDER!

ayoku777: Order of Melchizedek or of anyone else for that matter, simply means either that is the person or the individual is born of the person. Interprete scripture with simplicity.

@ayoku777, the problem we have is our interpretation of the "order of Melchizedek". Did the scripture described order as structure in Psalms and Hebrews?

Gombs: Melchizedek is similar to Christ in that they are both priests and kings, of no genealogy, and a priesthood for eternity; therefore, Melchizedek could be called a “type” of Christ, but they are not the same person.

You are correct here Melchizedek is a type of Christ based on similarities mentioned above (i.e. king/priest and genealogy), and that is what is meant by Jesus being a priest after the order of melchizedek. Order as used in Hebrews refers to type not organization

ayoku777: But going by your explanation only leaves us with a greater heresis than the one we are trying to unfold - that there is someone else in the Godhead, besides the Father and Jesus, who has no beginning and is self-existent.

ayoku777: Jesus is the FIRST and the LAST King and High priest of the Kingdom of God. He is the beginning and the perfection of the royal priesthood. Jesus is the first immortal man. So if he is not Melchizedek, then the other alternative is a greater heresis. There is another self-existent deity.

This is what Gombs and Bidam don't understand. Other than this, i believe they are closer to the truth cos Melchizedek is not Jesus.

Gombs: Na wa for you..I said he was of same order an order which is not of genealogy and is eternal. I explained above that Jesus was a priest of a kind but under same order..

not my fault, I respond to a post as I read not knowing you already addressed some of my comments in a later post (which am yet to read).

now I have a slightly clearer understanding of your position, I will show you your errors later in the day.

Gombs: Did you just write that the bible assumed Melchizedek existed as a priest?

He is assumed to be a priest forever. am sure you don't have issue with ya sight.

Gombs: Christ brought us salvation, he is a priest of his own kind, but of d same order o! Of his own kind was because he brought us salvation with his blood, Melchizedek didnt....but all of them are of same ORDER!

so then, what does it mean to be of the same order? we need to understand this bit very well. I believe it is the source of the disagreement. Kindly explain, please.

Gombs: Christ did not succeed him, if Christ did then it means Melchizedek is no longer existing.

So Melchizedek is still existing? where is he now? Where is his temple?

Gombs: Is it that you just want to argue or you want to learn? From your definition of dynasty it is a succesion of rulers of SAME decent. You read in the bible where it said Melchizedek resembled Jesus (patterned after Jesus but he is not Jesus),

Don't blame me. am only responding to your choice of words. you should have considered another another word instead of dynasty. Thats my understanding of dynasty. You are the one that told us Melchi started a dynasty....

Gombs: 1. "He did not create a dynasty of priests, each dying and passing the priesthood to a son." Did you notice the first comma there? If you did, it must mean he(melchizedek) started a dynasty of priest(s) that were/are NOT dying and passing the priesthood to their sons! No?

Gombs: Jesus did not succeed melchizedek,

okay, thank you. i agree.

Gombs: in your definition, succesion means following in same pattern/order and not dying and passing power to the other or giving way to the other.

That cannot be my definition.

Gombs: It means following the same pattern and in this case, the pattern nature of the melchizedek priesthood is that it is not of genealogy, and it is forever.

Okay. But only because the Jews assume or believe Melchi is not dead because it's not recorded.

Gombs: Bible said they are of same order na!

No, bible say Christ priesthood is "similar to" that of Melchi.

Gombs: Samuel was of the Aaronic order of priesthood, does it mean that Aaron gave the baton to him?

There were priests before samuel and there were priest after him. That is what given of baton imply.

Gombs: Of same order means he followed the same pattern as Aaron, if Jesus had followed the same pattern, he would have been a priest of the order of Aaron, it doesnt necessarily mean Aaron passed the baton to Jesus.

what exactly do you mean by pattern? so i don't mis-interpret your post.

Gombs: Ut thank God Jesus ressurected and is alive forever more, hence of the order of Those whose priesthood is eternal (Melchizedek). You remember in the bible there were multiple priests at a time, not that one has to pass the baton tomthe other, but they all functioned under the Levitical priesthood which Aaron pioneered.

See my post on samuel to understand what it means to pass the baton.

23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office;

Gombs: Hebrews 7v3 AMP:Without [record of] father or mother or ancestral line, neither with beginning of days nor ending of life, but, resembling the Son of God, he continues to be a priest without interruption and without successor.

If u think he was a man, which man has the character of the bold above?

Even the version of the bible you posted above shows clearly that melchi having no father or mother or ancestral line was simply because it was not recorded. It is not because he does not have a father or mother. The scriptures did not refer to him as a spirit/ghost so why do think he was not human. If Melchi came from Heaven, are you saying he took his tithe of war booty back to heaven?

Gombs: [size=64pt] He is not a man, and certainly not Jesus ....dint you see in the above scripture, that he resembles the Son of God? [/size]

If he is not a man, what is he? you don't know. all you know is that he is not a man. you see yourself

Gombs: [size=64pt] He is not a man, and certainly not Jesus ....dint you see in the above scripture, that he resembles the Son of God? [/size] if someone resembles me does that mean he is me?

You can find the qualities that made him resemble the Son of God in Hebrews 7:2-3..

2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, the name Melchizedek means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” 3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.

1. his name and status as King
2. no genealogy - no evidence he succeeded anybody and no evidence to show that he died and was replaced by another priest (only because there's no record of it anywhere). also note that the Hebrew writer see him as resembling Christ, and not Christ resembling him.

Gombs: And if u say he is Jesus, then that means Abraham paid tithes to Jesus, why then do you say paying tithe is done away with?

I don't remember telling you Melchi is Jesus.

Gombs: Why then Melchizedek? Why do we tithe in the faith of Abraham to Mechizedek?

Because his priesthood continues forever

As stated in the previous post, the continuity of the priesthood is based on the qualities or nature of the priest occupying that office. Jesus is a priest forever because Christ lives forever. Christ's nature defines his office. If Melchizedek priesthood continues forever, where is Melchizedek now? am sure you have no clue. you only know how to quote what you don't understand.

Gombs: Why then Melchizedek? Why do we tithe in the faith of Abraham to Mechizedek?

Because Jesus is of same priesthood

The bible tells us there is only one priest, one mediator between man and the Almighty. If Melchizedek is a priest forever, he is mediating on whose behalf? is he mediating for Gombs?

1 Timothy 2:5 (NIV)
5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,

If you listen to ya self you will see that you are making any sense. If according to hebrews 7:3 Melchizedek is truly a priest forever, it would mean there are currently two high priest in office before God! is it not obvious you don't understand the message in Hebrews 7?

Look at it from another perspective, if Melchizedek handed over to Christ, is that not telling you that the Melchizedek priesthood is one of succession? how is that different from the levitical priesthood which is also one of succession? except that the levitical priests dies? even when the bible tells us that Christ is a priest forever, how can his office be one of succession?

Gombs: Why then Melchizedek? Why do we tithe in the faith of Abraham to Mechizedek?

Because Jesus and Melchizedek are priests with no genealogy

Gombs: Why then Melchizedek? Why do we tithe in the faith of Abraham to Mechizedek?

Because Melchizedek is not a levite whose priesthood were truncated

Gombs: Why then Melchizedek? Why do we tithe in the faith of Abraham to Mechizedek?

Because though Levi was from Abraham's loin folks though he paid to Mechizedek (Heb 7v9-10 AMP), hence reference was still made to Melchizedek, Why? Cos he has no roots, no genealogy, he was immortal

Gombs: Don't come here and lie that he was a man!

so if he was not a man, what was he? an angel? are you telling us there is another angel of God sharing the priestly office of Christ? are you listening to ya self at all?

Gombs: Q: Do we follow the new Priest?
A: Yes

Q: of which order is he?
A: Melchizedek

You have told us here that because Melchizedek received tithe and it is therefore the requirement of any priest occupying an 'under' the order of melchizedek (i.e. Jesus is required to collect tithe as well). The nature of a priesthood can be seen in the qualities of the priest occupying the office. Following your logic that Jesus carry out every act performed by Melchi we can say that if Jesus had to sacrifice himself to take up an office 'under' the order of melchizedek, it therefore mean Melchizedek already sacrificed himself in the course of taking up his priestly office. If Melchi already died for our sins of what use is Christ coming to die for all over again?

Gombs: Q: Did the order of Melchizedek receive tithe and blessed?
A: yes

Q: Why then do people say malachi 3v8 was written to the those under the levitical priesthood even tho the speaker talked about blessing u after u bring the tithes?
A:

Who was the speaker and Who is doing the blessing in Malachi 3:8? are you now comparing Melchizedek to God?

Gombs: Now let's see how a new priesthood implies a new law

Now I observe that "if perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come—one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?" (v.11). I await your answer o!

The problem is due to what you understand by Jesus priesthood being "after the order of Melchizedek". First i will refer you to a post by bernimoore explaining Psalm 110:4....

BERNIMOORE: THE PARTICULAR  ORIGINAL  OATH REFFERED TO IN THE BOOK OF PSALM 110:4 from Hebrew 7,‘DID NOT’ TREAT    ‘‘AFTER’’ SEPARATELY, AND  ‘‘ORDER’’  SEPARATELY, .............

BUT RATHER, THE TRANSLATION   ‘ACTUALLY JOINED’   ‘’AFTER THE ORDER’’  TOGETHER AND NOT SEPARATELY LIKE YOURS,THAT IS; (‘after’=(a meaning) and ‘order’=(another meaning)  BUT   ‘’AFTER THE ORDER’’ TRANSLATED ALTOGETHER WAS ACTUALLY RENDERED  USING (H1700),   SEE THE DIFFERENT MEANING DIFFERENT FROM THE ONE ABOVE THAT IT USES;(in the same strong Hebrew dictionary you used);

Psa 110:4

The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order (H1700) of Melchizedek.

H1700
דּברה
dibrâh
dib-raw'
Feminine of H1697 ; a {reason} suit or style: - {cause} {end} {estate} {order} regard.

THE WORD RENDERED “ORDER” HERE MEANS PROPERLY A 'WORD' ; 'A THING', 'A MATTER'; HENCE, 'A WAY' OR 'MANNER'. THE MEANING HERE IS,
THAT HE WOULD BE A PRIEST “AFTER THE MANNER” OF MELCHIZEDEK; OR,

SUCH A PRIEST AS HE WAS. HE WOULD NOT BE OF THE TRIBE OF LEVI; HE WOULD NOT BE IN THE REGULAR LINE OF THE PRIESTHOOD, BUT HE WOULD RESEMBLE, IN THE CHARACTERISTICS OF HIS OFFICE, THIS ANCIENT PRIEST-KING, COMBINING IN HIMSELF THE TWO FUNCTIONS OF PRIEST AND KING; AS A PRIEST, STANDING ALONE; NOT DERIVING HIS AUTHORITY FROM ANY LINE OF PREDECESSORS; AND HAVING NO SUCCESSORS..............


..........(C)   ALSO WE ARE 'NOT IN THE DARK' CONCERNING THE MANNER OF WHICH CHRIST 'WAS APPOINTED' A PRIEST 'SIMILAR' OR 'LIKE' OR 'IN RESEMBLANCE' OF MELCHIZEDECK THE ACIENT PRIEST, AS A ;PRIEST-KING, COMBINING IN HIMSELF THE TWO FUNCTIONS OF PRIEST AND KING,
AND JESUS 'DECLARED AS KING  OF KINGS,AND LORD OF LORDS' WHAT A FITTING AND UNDISPUTABLE SIMILARITIES?

Same thing for the Hebrews passage, "after the order of" is for the audience (Jews) to understand the nature of Christ's priesthood, it's superiority over that of Aaron. In fact Hebrews 7:15 says it clearly when he says Christ priesthood is "similar" to that of Melchizedek. He did not say it was the same priesthood...

And it is yet far more evident: for that after the[b] similitude[/b] of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest (KJV),

And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, (NIV)

Not much documentation of melchi's priesthood other than his name and his status as king of Salem. His ancestry, birth and death were not recorded, he is assume to exist (as priest) forever (just like Christ). Melchizedek priesthood is a representation of Christ's priesthood with the following similarities:

1. Melchizedek was a priest upon his throne, just like Christ
2. Melchizedek has no successor just like Christ (if melchi has no successor, Christ cannot be sharing same priesthood with him). To say Christ succeeded Melchi is to say the melchizedekian priesthood is one of succession. I believe you understand the it's implication if you were to assume Christ officiates under this priesthood? the scriptures says Christ is a priest forever (did not succeed and cannot be succeeded by anybody otherwise it becomes one of succession like levitical priesthood).

Gombs: We might say today that he came out of nowhere, and then disappeared. Nevertheless, he remains known as a priest even today. "He remains a priest forever ... is declared to be living" v 3 & 8.

Why was melchi considered to be without parents? That the scripture did not record Melchi's genealogy does not mean he was a ghost. even the Hebrew writer did not conclude that Melchi was an angel......

Hebrews 7:1 (NIV)
7 This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him,

......and Abraham received him like he knew Melchi prior to the in Genesis 17 meeting. Abraham met Melchi with the King of Sodom nearby and there were no indication that they were seeing/knowing Melchi for the first time.....

Genesis 14:15-24 (NIV)
17 After Abram returned from defeating Kedorlaomer and the kings allied with him, the king of Sodom came out to meet him in the Valley of Shaveh (that is, the King’s Valley). 18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High, 19 and he blessed Abram, saying,
“Blessed be Abram by God Most High,
Creator of heaven and earth.
20 And praise be to God Most High,
who delivered your enemies into your hand.”
Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything.
21 The king of Sodom said to Abram, “Give me the people and keep the goods for yourself.”

Consider Abbie's reaction when he saw God's messengers in Gen. 18:1-4

Genesis 18:1-4 (NIV)
18 The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground. 3 He said, “If I have found favor in your eyes, my lord,[a] do not pass your servant by. 4 Let a little water be brought, and then you may all wash your feet and rest under this tree.

Gombs: 5. Did you see in that my post that Mechizedek is a Prototype of Jesus? If you did and don't understand, compare it with the example below

"A Robin is a prototype of a bird, but a Penguin is not"

From the above sentence substitute Robin, Bird and penguin with Mechizedek, Jesus and Levites respectively.

Marriam webster definition of prototype:
an original model on which something is patterned
an individual that exhibits the essential features of a later type
a standard or typical example
a first full-scale and usually functional form of a new type or design of a construction (as an airplane)

So what you meant when you said "Isn't Jesus of same priesthood as Melchizedek?" was that Melchi was the original version and Jesus is patterned after him.

Gombs: 1. "He did not create a dynasty of priests, each dying and passing the priesthood to a son." Did you notice the first comma there? If you did, it must mean he(melchizedek) started a dynasty of priest(s) that were/are NOT dying and passing the priesthood to their sons! No?

Marriam Webster definition of Dynasty:
a succession of rulers of the same line of descent
a powerful group or family that maintains its position for a considerable time

Okay, i get you now. You are saying Melchi did create a succession plan. Meaning Christ is currently in charge. The only difference is that Melchi was and is still alive after handing over the baton to Christ. So the only difference is that under the Levitical priesthood, a priest must die before he is succeeded by another. But if Christ is currently in office (being a prototype), how do we reconcile this with scriptures that say Melchi remains a priest forever? (i.e. he is still officiating as high priest).

Gombs: 1. "He did not create a dynasty of priests, each dying and passing the priesthood to a son." Did you notice the first comma there? If you did, it must mean he(melchizedek) started a dynasty of priest(s) that were/are NOT dying and passing the priesthood to their sons! No?

So this is a priesthood where the serving priests don't die even though it is one of succession contrary to scriptures which did not define Christ priesthood as one of succession. am sure you know what it means when you said Melchi "started a dynasty of priest(s) that were/are NOT dying and passing the priesthood to their sons". Anyway i will come back to this, time is scarce. It may take a full day to respond to your post.