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OLAADEGBU: Paul didn't have to use the word tithes since it was taken for granted, it was the least that they could give.

who took tithe for granted? Gentiles that never tithed in their entire life? You see your desperation!

OLAADEGBU: Robbery and prostitution are not considered to be labours, are they?

so what are they? Compare this pastors tithing pocket money.

OLAADEGBU: Tithes is the tenth of all the increase that God has given to you.

as defined by greedy pastors, sorry we prefer God's definition.

OLAADEGBU: Lets see the Parallel Verses of Luke 18:12

New International Version
"I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get"

New Living Translation
"I fast twice a week, and I give you a tenth of my income"

English Standard Version
"I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get."

New American Standard Bible
"I fast twice a week; I pay tithes of all that I get."

King James Bible
"I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess"

Holman Christian Standard Bible
"I fast twice a week; I give a tenth of everything I get."

International Standard Version
"I fast twice a week, and I give a tenth of my entire income."

NET Bible
"I fast twice a week; I give a tenth of everything I get."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
"But I fast twice in a week and I tithe everything that I possess"

GOD'S WORD® Translation
"I fast twice a week, and I give you a tenth of my entire income"

Tithes is the tenth of all the increase that God has given to you. Increase is everything that increases the value of earthly possessions that God has entrusted into your hands (whether it be agricultural products or money).

to interpret the above the way you are attempting to, you must know what the guy's income is/are. You make a lot of assumptions which may be wrong. What if his entire increase was 50 tubers of yam? In the absence of info, this cannot be an appropriate reference.

OLAADEGBU: Tithes is 10% of your income and that is the least that a NT believer would give. I have heard of manufacturer of Colgate toothpaste who started tithing and ended up tithing up to 90% and keeping 10% for himself. Most Christians should not be limited by the tithes but give substantially more than the tithe for the Lord's work as God is probably less concerned with how much we give as a measure of our love for Him and His work than with what we keep and spend on ourselves. The poor widow's two mites comes to mind here.

you are either confused or crooked, after defining (pastoral, not God's) tithe as 10% of income, you go ahead to tell us somebody was tithing 90%. Based on your definition, is 90% still a tithe? Who is deceiving who?

OLAADEGBU: You are not only adding to the Scriptures you are also subtracting from it. Tithes are the least NT believers should do and as Christians our righteousness must exceed that of the Pharisees. If the Pharisees were faithful in giving their 10% Christians should be prepared to give their 100%. ]The tithe is the least a Christian should give as we have been given more responsibilities than the Pharisees.

you want to outdo the pharisee in external actions? now you are on competition on who brought the most to the temple. are you any different? specification of a minimum threshold is contrary to the teachings of Christ and the apostles. The teaching that tithe is the least a Christian should give is the gospel of crim.inals our least should be our best (and it's not set at 10% of anything)

OLAADEGBU: Jesus said give unto Caesar the things which be of Caesar's, and to God the things which be God's. Paul quoted from Deuteronomy 26:4 that says "Thou shall not muzzle the ox when he treads out the corn" to show that every labourer is worthy of his hire, especially those in God's service (1 Cor 9:9-10; 1 Tim 5:18). Our Lord Jesus Christ confirmed OT scriptures by saying that "the labourer is worthy of his hire."

So you, my friend, is the one adding to the Word of God.

Paul was brave enough to put is life on the line for everything, but not courageous enough to say the word 'tithe'. He had to speak in languages even the early Christians could not understand. And you are accusing others of adding to God's word?

Mark Miwerds: Not this man-made monetary tithe that is being taught today.

God defined in His Holy Word what His Holy tithe consisted of. That being, crops and livestock from within the boundaries of national Israel. For man to teach that it is something other than what the Word declares is to teach contrary to the Word.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

A man who has the Light of God in him will speak according to what is written in the Word of God. He will not teach in contradiction to what the Word of God says.

Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

The Word of the Lord is pure. But when man handles the Word deceitfully, (as those who teach the monetary tithe do) God Word says they are found to be a liar.

it's a form of money laundering. They desperately want to legitimize an unGodly act. The reason they bent on linking the 10% to God. The almighty is not deceived, he knows those that belong to him. Let them continue the attempt at bribing God.

OLAADEGBU: "Render therefore to Caesar the things which be of Caesar's, and to God the things which be God's"

If tax belongs to Caesar does it suffice to say that tithes belongs to God?

so a tithe of income from robbery & prost.tution belong to God abi? To determine what tithe belong to God, you must define the tithe. This was why God took time to define his tithe in Leviticus (to avoid any misunderstanding). God did not say every/all tithe in Israel belong to him, instead he stated that the tithe of crops and acceptable farm animals belonged to him. even when there were israelite working and earning wages, even where israelite hunt wild animals, birds & also fish. The definition was clear enough that nobody continue to ask if tithe was gross or net, or if tax to Ceaser need to be deducted to arrive at the net tithe to God. This is something pastors & tithers been avoiding. Why? Because pastors need the money, they are interested in the source. To them every 10% belongs to God. The tither too needs the blessing not taking into consideration that God more interested in his/her heart. Like you rightly noted in one of ya post God is after people with the right heart, your 10% must be unconditional, meaning your motive must be sincere (based on love). The reason a number of people will 'tithe' and not receive the desired breakthrough.

Mark Miwerds: There is no verse in the Bible that says the heave offering was offered at the altar.

my brother, am still waiting for the man to show us the altar that received the tithe.

Candour: Not the tithe you've been preaching my bro. or i can go ahead and bring 1%? since thats what got to the altar? God called it HEAVE OFFERINGS my bro. Leave it that way. God's tithe is 10% of the whole, NOT 10% of 10%

image is a desperate man, bent on forcing God to accept his (image123's) 10%. You cannot force God to accept your 10% as belonging to him(God). My brother one cannot deceive the almighty.

Image123: Zikky, kindly confirm that you now have evidence that the altar receive tithe?
It's not about courage to educate, but about time and priority.

I don't see any evidence to show that the altar received tithe. Am waiting for you to show me. That's if you have the courage to post here.

Bidam: If really it's true drummaboy was sacked as a church worker because of the tithe( i pray he is lying anyway maybe to generate sympathy and disciples ) then it's rather a pathetic pity that the kind of mushroom churches we have these days are just private enterprises.

No one taught me to tithe,it's a revelation i had in the light of scriptures,believers should be encouraged and persuaded in scriptural truths and not bullied in God's vineyard.I would advise drummaboy to find a church where he could grow in the knowledge of the truth of God's word.If you tithe let it be between you and God not the pastor,if you don't tithe no wahala.Every one that comes to God is not a cast away.It is such a shame i am hearing this issue from drummaboy.

drummaboy was attempting to spoil business for the church ogas at the top I would do the same thing if i was in the position of the pastor

truthtalk: He did this to Melchizedek (a form of the Holy Spirit - without father nor mother, ...) -

melchi is a form of the Holy Spirit Darn!! i wonder what pastors teach in church these days.

truthtalk: He did this to Melchizedek (a form of the Holy Spirit - without father nor mother, ...) - a principle that worked for him.

How did this principle work for Abbie? You mean Abraham made his money after tithing to Melchi or what?

truthtalk: So, I paid a tithe (10%) of my monthly Salary, and that month was extraordinary for me, as I received monies from people I didn't even know.

We hear this a lot from tithers. Receiving money from strangers, hope this has nothing to do with bribe? and you never bothered to ask questions to know the source and reason for the cash inflow.

truthtalk: Prior to this time, managing my salary to meet with monthly demands was very challenging and I was struggling. After the first month of paying my tithe, I continued; ever since, I have had my salary increased four (4) times, with promotion, and I can comfortably meet the demands of the month.

Thank God for the revelation of the Tithe Principle.

TITHING REALLY WORKS!!!

Congratulations am happy for you o! If your promotion is the result of tithing, it therefore mean your employer did not appraise you based on the the quality of ya work output. i.e. without tithe you still would be stuck four levels down the organizational ladder (structure/level).

Candour: Levites collect tithes from the people. This is taken to be like increase of farmland and livestock for them. They then offer up a HEAVE OFFERING out of it which they take to the priest. It is 10% of the tithes they collect from Isreal.

Num 18:26-30

Hmmmm..... so it's the levites tithe of tithe (1%) that goes to the altar ehn (and not the people's tithe) image123 kindly confirm this was what you meant by the altar received tithe Also teach us how the altar received the tithe since you believe this tithe of tithe landed on the altar i hope you'll have the courage to educate us here o!

Image123: Ask Candour or go read Numbers 18. Are you the world, or what do you mean by the showing the world?

Shame. so you don't have evidence that the altar receive tithe and you come here shouting altar receive tithes

I see cec crew who have been hibernating logging on to NL to support their pastor's main source of cash inflow. well done pastor kuns, for helping Seun reactivate some dormant accounts

christemmbassey: another tithe collector, oyel well is in danger o, police, i sabi them vandals- na kun, gosh, emmbassey, drumma, fros, no catch them o, just beg them to keep mute!

Not tithe collectors, just Joagbaje's boys and gals.

Bidam: My friend what are you saying? Jesus said before Abraham was I AM

was he or was he not in AB's loins?

Rhymeyjohn: Who is this saying this, you mean Jesus himself preached againts total love from the heart? what nonsense. about law, 1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
KJV

Olodo, who's talking about sin here? you have comprehension issues in addition to quoting irrelevant bible verse.

Bidam: the Abrahamic covenant is still in force even if it is once and for all tithe.

Bidam, you are telling us God signed a tithing agreement with Abraham? i like to know the bible version you are using o!

seriously you guys gat no shame dishing out a lie so obvious even to non believers.

Bidam: Levi still operated the covenant by tithing to melchizedek in Abrahams lions.

I don't see the relevance in your tithing scheme. applying your logic, even Christ tithed to melchizedek because he was also in Abraham loins. you can see you are not making sense. You guys truly have big problem understanding what you read in bible.

Mark Miwerds: Notice the Apostle said he had used none of these? Paul could not have been speaking of tithing. He was a Benjamite. Benjamites were not authorized to receive tithes. Only Levites could receive the tithes.

@bolded, if God commanded tithing with implications, why would Apostle Paul of all people deny God's people the right/opportunity to partake in something so beautiful as tithe? By refusing to exercise his right to collect, he was denying the people the joy of "paying tithe"

Mark Miwerds: Notice the Apostle said he had used none of these? Paul could not have been speaking of tithing. He was a Benjamite. Benjamites were not authorized to receive tithes. Only Levites could receive the tithes.

..and this is the truth. the Jews would have hanged Paul much earlier if he gone about collecting tithe. this applies also to other disciples/apostles.

Mark Miwerds: Also, Paul related how it was lawful for him to reap their carnal things. According to Leviticus the tithe was holy... not carnal. Paul could not have been speaking of tithes in that passage.

Good talk.

Bidam: let's not deceive ourselves

You are the one deceiving ya self here o!

Bidam: when giving the principle of love is actively in play in the lives of believers,

you deceive ya self my brother, and you assume too much. you can only speak for ya self, to believe that every so called believer give out of love.

Bidam: you do unto others as you expect them to do unto you.

i think some people do unto others as they would want God to do unto them. i.e. they are doing not because of love to others, but they see it as a means to obtaining God's favour. God is not deceived.

Bidam: You prepare and ponder on it before you give.

...yes. the giver probably calculating the returns/blessing God is going to hit him/her with.

@image123, am still waiting o! for you to show the world the tithe that went to the altar i really want to learn o! or show me the prior discuss with candour where i can dig up this info.

Image123: 1 Corinthians 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

LET EVERY ONE OF YOU- freewill?
AS GOD HAS PROSPERED- proprtional?

another coded message left behind by apostle Paul for tithers to decode after 2000 years. prospered = proportional = tithe was Paul really reading the prophets or reading books on espionage image123 please give up, you are making a fo.ol of ya self.

God2man: But it is working, even if it is not working, which is a lie, everything you have both 90% and 10% belong to God, so if you give it back to God. It shows you love God more than money, if you keep it and you think you are smart, God will take everything from you.

I rest my case, i dont like argument.

God2man.

@bolded, this was exactly what Christ preached against, same for the apostles. just like the pharisees, you continue to teach holiness based on actions. God does not look at your actions, he looks at your heart. you can never make every man give 10% from the heart some will want more some will do less (from the heart). you are teaching Christians to live by a law which was not commanded by God.

Image123: You need to go and read our prior discuss or ask Candour,God bless you.

..and where is this prior discuss

you like to run sha lack of confidence

Image123: Yes or No?
Did the tabernacle receive tithe?
Did the altar receive tithe?

Stuff get burnt at the altar. i.e. if tithe goes to the altar, it will end up as burnt offering. after God willed the tithe to the Levites, the only place the tithe went to was the store house. tithe to support the priest & levite did not go the altar.

Image123: 1 Corinthians 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

I don't believe tithe was such a difficult word for apostle paul to pronounce, if he wanted you to give tithe to gospel preachers he would have mentioned it. He was able to pronounce the word in Hebrews 7. You guys are just wasting time looking for coded (hidden) messages in the gospel to support the pastoral fraud scheme.

Image123: Are you trying to say something? Please be more lucid.

done (above).

Image123: Both the tabernacle and the altar received tithes. Your point is invalid, God has ordained that preachers can so live.

You think the altar is a table meant for relaxation and drinking? Must you lie? This ya desperation is becoming something else.

Nehemiah 13:12 (NIV)
12 All Judah brought the tithes of grain, new wine and olive oil into the storerooms.

Bidam: What is the whole purpose of bazaar in a church? .The bible is clear that my house shall be a house of prayer for all nations

I never said it was right or wrong. all am saying is that they did not justify it using the bible. Your tithe today is not a biblical command, i don't understand why you twist scriptures in ya attempt to link it with biblical acts. If you tell me it was an act of faith, nobody will criticize you. I guess you are just trying to assure yourself that you are doing something Godly (so you can receive reward). I can tell you our actions don't need to be written in the bible before its acceptable to God.

Bidam: And point of correction the catholics do not pay tithes.Ofcos people who do not make research will rush to like your post just because anyone that agrees with them against the tithes is acceptable.

Wrong. (Some) catholics pay tithe. You can say the catholic church don't preach tithe.

Bidam: My brother lets not even go with this line of arguments.Everybody knows how the roman catholics generates funds by creating bazaars and other avenues people give money which is unblibical.They have their traditions and the money people give for their events far supersedes biblical tithes,so why should they bother about the tithes.

You are not making any point. The catholic don't quote bible verse to support their bazaars, so why compare it to tithe. A pastor quoting bible verse to justify his tithe sermon is no different from an armed robber quoting same bible to justify his action; the pastor and robber will have to twist scriptures to make their action biblical.

Image123: There is no shifting of grounds but a clarification that arose from mischievous attempts to misrepresent and misinterprete what we are saying.

@Image123, the only thing i read you say is that those against tithe gospel should stop talking about tithe. But that is not going to happen till pastor/tithers stop preaching tithe.

Image123: Most issues and threads come up as questions to the tither. 'Many' folks come up and read 15 -60 pages of a thread on tithe, and say "I have gained a lot on this thread, but my question is".

That is expected. If you been engaged in a particular act for say 10-20 years and you come across information that appears to indicate you've been doing the wrong thing, it will be stupid of you not to ask questions or seek clarification.

Image123: A pastor/teacher teaches what God has taught nd revealed to him.

That is your understanding, but we cannot say for sure if God truly revealed anything to the pastor. you assume too much.

Image123: i do not see preachers preach tithe and force people to it or condemn people for it.

So in your thoughts Malachi 3 is not force abi? you want to see AK47 before you know it is by force abi?

Image123: The real issue is, how much more have you loved and served God with your decision, watever it is?

the fight against the tithe teaching is for the benefit of the body of Christ.

Image123: These are the things to drive for, not go and tithe, or don't tithe. Christ didi not die to save anyone from giving tithe.

Tithe gospel is very much something to 'drive' for, very large number of people are following pastor instead of Christ.