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Alwaystrue: Tithes/offerings did not make or ordain the priesthood, God had prior said that tithes were His before He in a later chapter gave all the tithes to the Levites for the service which they serve.

Alwaystrue: How the law that was weak and unprofitable and that made nothing perfect is now termed as tithe shows the level of carnality we have on display here.

Alwaystrue: @switchcgurl,
Another thing to add is that many do not understand what wealth is all about. They believe it means they have more to acquire but the bible has said those who are rich towards God...those that have records of what they have done.

Alwaystrue: The goal is to first give ourselves to God and then we can give God everything but it is hypocritical to believe our 100% belongs to God but 'strain at a gnat' on giving out of it. The Lord knows those that are His.

Candour: If you truly give yourself to God, you won't be rating Him on the basis of 10%. God owns all and he's more valuable than that meagre, insultive and Pharisaical 10%.

Goshen360: I endorse this message. In fact, I get increase in my hourly pay without tithing. I have two jobs, both with paid insurance, vacation, sick leaves, medical, if I loose, God forbid, any of my immediate family, I get compensation, lots of benefits, drive Chevy cruise 2013 brand new etc all the grace of God of undeserved favor on me. Yet, I'm yet to witness any devourer, neither am I sick nor any of my family. It's all because of the grace of God, glory to God.

Bidam: Add Baba GOD as the referee... [i]

Bidam: The fleshy commandments na laws of levite no be tithe.We tithe by FAITH IN THE NEW COVENANT.

Bidam: You know na..one of them is your tithes and offerings to your local assembly where you get spiritual nourishment from..You don dey rob God tay tay no be today

christemmbassey: @Bidam, Ola, Jo, Alex Gombs, Oliver twist etc, are you paying/collecting tithe according to Abraham or law, pls make up ur mind and let rap up this dancing arround. Melchi or levite tithe, which one? God bless.

alexleo: Abraham paid tithe. Under which law was he because you peopLe are talkIng about mosaic law? Did the Mosaic law come into operation during the time of Abraham?

alexleo: Now in the place we read, Abraham paid his tenth to a priest whose priesthood was not in the order of Levi. (Read verse 8 ). Now was it the law that required Abraham to give tithe to Melchizedec who was not of the descendant of Levi? NO. Was Abraham condemned for paying a tenth to someone who was not from the descendant of Levi as required by the law? NO. So why are you condemning other[/b]s......

alexleo: So why are you condemning others who are giving their tenth to [b]Christ whose priesthood is same as that of Melchizedec?

alexleo: So why are you condemning others who are giving their tenth to Christ whose priesthood is same as that of Melchizedec? Calling them thieves and all sorts of bad names? If you are against the craze for money which has taken over the church that's a different thing. But when you condemn a tither for simply doing what he saw in the scripture then that's not fair.

Bidam: The levitical priesthood and the ordinances were [i]CHANGED TO MELCHIZEDEK PRIESTHOOD.THE LAWS WERE CHANGED NOT CANCELLED,

Alwaystrue:
14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe MOSES SPOKE NOTHING concerning PRIESTHOOD.
15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest
16 who has come, not according to the law of a FLESHLY COMMANDMENT, but according to the power of an endless life.
17 For He testifies: “You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek.”
18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the FORMER COMMANDMENT because of its weakness and unprofitableness,

alexleo: I ve quoted the hebrew 7:1-28.
Verse 18 never talked about abolishing of tithe rather of the levitical priesthood (which is temporary) being replaced with a permanent one which is Jesus Christ. The core message of this place is not even tithe but its drawing a comparison between the levtical presthood, that of Melchizedec and Christ. Telling us how Christ, whose priesthood is permanent and came with an oat has sacrificed for our sin once and for all unlike that of the levitical priesthood which requires day to day sacrifice of animal twice for sin- one for the priest and the other for the rest of the people. And their priesthood did not come with an oat. Again that the priesthood of Christ is patterened like that of Melchizedec. The tithe that came in there wasn't even the core message and there is no place in this scripture that pointed clearly that tithe is cancelled but there is a place that it said that the day to day sacrifice for sin as it was in the levitical priesthood is no more there in Christ. Verse 25-27 above is clear on this. Kindly show me a clear statement such as that where tithe is cancelled. No stories pls. The bible is clear and simple to understand.

Pastor Kun: @Alexleo
As I have always said verse 5 is key to understanding that passage. Verse 5 makes it clear that the commandment to collect tithe is based on the law. Now the law and the priesthood as been abolished so why should tithe remain Fact is that tithe did not remain and was NEVER practised or taught by the early church until the catholic church re introduced it in 585AD for their own selfish reason. Tithing was never a christian doctrine established by Christ and the Apostles but an obvious latter day addition by greedy catholic priests.

alexleo: There is no where the bible said we should not pay tithe but there is a place it said we should pay tithe. There is a place that the bible allowed the sacrifice of animals for atonement of sin and there is a place it clearly cancelled it. There is a place the bible said we should keep the sabbath holy and there is a place it said that one man can esteem any day as holy while another do not, that both of them do it to the Lord. It went further to say let no man judge you concerning the sabbath day.... These are clear statements and that's how clear the scripture is. In the case of tithe no clear statement cancelling or condemning it rather what I ve been hearing is people telling me its for the levites, its for the priest, its not for christians, bla bla bla... I don't need anybody's interpretation because that's what has brought confusion in christianity. If they can't show me where tithe is outrightly cancelled ( making it a sin or abomination as they claim here) as in the case of the sacrifice of animal that I mentioned then it remains their personal opinion which I can't buy into.

alexleo: ... These are clear statements and that's how clear the scripture is. In the case of tithe no clear statement cancelling or condemning it rather what I ve been hearing is people telling me its for the levites, its for the priest, its not for christians, bla bla bla... I don't need anybody's interpretation because that's what has brought confusion in christianity. If they can't show me where tithe is outrightly cancelled ( making it a sin or abomination as they claim here) as in the case of the sacrifice of animal that I mentioned then it remains their personal opinion which I can't buy into.

nlMediator: But as we've seen, that's not the best approach in all situations. A law written in the heart is much better.

okeyxyz: The only way to understand all that the law was saying is to have a new mindset found only in Christ. This is what it means to be born again, to have a new mindset to re-interpret everything we'd heard before.

Image123: Bring ye ALL the tithe.

Boomark: It seems you did not even pay attention to the Galatians you quoted. It says that those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham. Abraham(imperfect man) became our father as a result of the promise but not the one we must follow. Christ is perfect. Olaadegbu! Follow Christ.

Image123: Lev 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD.
Lev 27:31 And if a man will at all redeem aught of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.
Lev 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
Lev 27:33 He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.

Question says "Give us bible support that says that fishermen should not tithe." The above passage does not say that, neither does it limit God's tithe to the passage. If it had said ONLY verse 30-33 are God's tithe, you would have a case for this verse.

Image123: neither does it limit God's tithe to the passage. If it had said ONLY verse 30-33 are God's tithe, you would have a case for this verse.

swtchicgurl:
how did you manage to miss where i said "You can pay tithe of anything, cash, kind or material" Are you saying is only limited to farmers? are you not to tithe of the income of your occupation? are you a farmer?

stevewale: But tithe is stated in the bible na ... So it cant be a sin against the Pastor. My area of confusion is if its above the stated 10% why is it not seen as a disobedience?

swtchicgurl: hav eyou seen this verse of the Bibile - Malachi 3:10 (Amplified)

Will a man rob or defraud God? Yet you rob and defraud Me. But you say, In what way do we rob or defraud You? [You have withheld your] tithes and offerings.

9 You are cursed with the curse, for you are robbing Me, even this whole nation.

10 Bring all the tithes (the whole tenth of your income) into the storehouse, that there may be food in My house, and prove Me now by it, says the Lord of hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven for you and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

Bidam: Your lies are baseless and unfounded.This scripture in Leviticus shows that the tithe belonged to God,

Bidam: ........but much more than that, other scriptures show that everything belongs to God (Numbers 3:13, 1 Chronicles 29:14, Psalm 24:1, 50:10-12, 89:11, Ezekiel 18:4, Luke 21:1-4, 1 Corinthians 6:19-20).

Bidam: ..............Therefore it is not a big thing to give back to God one tenth of what he gives to us

swtchicgurl:
c) at that time, wealth was measured based based on livestock, landed properties and family size. this day, it's basically money! we are not farmers! and yes, you can still tithe anything, money or materials!

Image123: hahahahahaha,.......... Give us bible support that says that fishermen should not tithe. i do not need rocket science, just plain bible support, thanks..........

Mark Miwerds: Leviticus 27:30-33 gives the contents of God's Holy tithe. Fish were not tithed.

Bidam: oGa!!! welcome from your sabatical..Don't use the strawman technique here.You saw i quoted the Pauline epistle when he mentioned On the same principle.

My question to your brothers if you care to help cos i wanna learn is that why would Paul quote the mosaic law to support giving to the ministers of the gospel?

Bidam: Ok.The Op will be in better position to explain his post. I stand aside.

Mark Miwerds: Tithe teachers and preachers would do well to turn from their transgressions and begin teaching and preaching the Word as they are instructed.

Candour: haba!!! because he stopped tithing you're declaring woe? Is that the worst sin in your opinion? If you hear he commited murder, what will you say?

This is serious

Enigma: Please consider carefully: which one of the following three people is in disobedience or sinning?

1. Mr A earns 1000 a month; unfailingly he gives 100 a month as "tithe" in/to "church"; he gives 50 a month as offering; he then gives up to 20 to other needy causes outside "church".

2. Mr B earns 1000 a month; he gives anything up to 90 in/to church every month, he then gives 110 to other needy causes outside the "church".

3. Mrs C is a seller of "provisions"; any time that she is going to buy stock, she buys 10% extra (e.g. instead of buying 100 cans of milk, she buys 110); she regularly takes the extra 10% to her local orphanage; she then gives about 5% of her net profits in/to "church".

stevewale: Happy Sunday @ y'all
Pls its often observed that all churches preach that tithe MUST be 10% of one's income as stated in the bible.

stevewale: Happy Sunday @ y'all
If someone decides that he/she would be sacrificing some certain amount of his/her income as tithe every month (thou not upto the 10% - i.e 5k out of 80k monthly salary), it is tagged to be disobedience; but if someone decides to be paying 20% of his/her income (I.e 16k out of 80k monthly salary) its not seen as disobedience? Pls what's your take on this; is the two not disobedience?

chukwudi44: Your spiritual state @ d moment of your death determines whether you are saved or not.

Joagbaje: I wonder why critics have no problem with offerings and attacks tithes only. Malachi 3 talks about the two. They are together.