dont8: Wasn't around since yesterday to counter your arguments, unfortunately again, I wont be around till evening time.

Mrs.Chima:


Scared?

It is a matter of opinion but whatever.

MRbrownJAY: ^^^^ scared? naaaaah....... but simply concerned that such an easy debate for the contributing team to win, is slowly falling out of our hands.
but hey, pairing me with you would make the next round easier for me as your intial post is very easy to debunk.

acidosis™:
awww... am out..
hmm.. I had fun arguing with MrBrownJay especially on my 1st reply to his post..


Well...well, MrBrownJAY!!
We'll meet some other time..

Goodluck to my team mates

sexkillz: Cumulative Scores.

Supporting Team:

MRbrownJAY = 192.5
Ayobase = 142
Dont8 = 139.75
Bennyraz = 117.75

Opposing team:

Uj sizzle = 187.9
Mrs Chima = 174
Candygosh = 166.75
Acidosis = 162.75

Pairing

MRbrownJAY vs Uj sizzle

Ayobase vs Mrs Chima

Dont8 vs Candygosh


Debaters are to reply only to the person they have been paired with.

You are entitled to only 3 posts addressing the issue. The fourth and subsequent posts you make addressing the issue will not be put into consideration.

You are free to engage your opponent quoting and dissecting their arguments from the previous round and also make a convincing conclusion in your last post. . .


The 3rd round has been declared open. . .

Acidosis and Bennyraz have been eliminated for lowest points from both groups. . .

Good evening Moderator, Panel of Judges, Viewers. I am here to oppose the motion “A Man Is Right to Assert His Superiority/Authority in a Relationship”.
Before I proceed any further I will like to define some key words for the sake of clarity. English mini dictionary gives the following definitions for ‘Right, Assert, Superiority, and Authority’.

Right:
1. Morally good or justified.
2. Factually correct.

Assert:
Exercise one’s rights.

Superiority:
1. To be of higher status, quality.
2. To think oneself better than others.

Authority:
The power to order and enforce obedience.

Following these definitions I can assume that the proposition implies that a man by evidence of facts and morality can assume a position of higher status and a feeling of exaggerated importance in a relationship having the power to enforce obedience by way of influence and physical strength. This I stand to disagree with.

It is of importance to note that for an action to be termed as ‘right’ it must have evidence of fact and moral justification.

A relationship is a connection between two people. For a relationship to exist there has to be an understanding between both party each having their individual responsibility, with both working together to sustain it.

For a man to totally assume that his role is of more importance than his partner’s is completely unacceptable.

Most people will agree that without a willing cooperation on both sides a relationship is bound to fail. In the marital strata women have been known to contribute their fair share of time and energy in their relationships.

In intimate relationships that exists outside marriage it is completely difficult to find a man who is willing to have a girlfriend he’s spending money on without expecting some benefits in return.

Taking a journey down history, women have been treated as the inferior and less important sex, and within their relationships taken as slaves rather than companions.

But following the international women conference of the 1800’s an act was enacted for the equality of the sexes and today the world and especially the family is reaping the benefits. Within Nigeria, women have always played a significant role in their families as custodians and builders. They have worked alongside their men; earned wages and these wages accepted as a contribution to their relationships, have nurtured and cared for their men bringing to mind a popular saying that “behind a successful man is a woman”, this goes to emphasize the importance of a woman in a relationship.

Taking a drift to religion, my opponents may argue that they have divine authority to assert superiority and authority but I beg to differ. Let us take a look at creation and the divine mandate.
Genesis 1:28
“And God blessed them (male and female). And God said to them, ‘…subdue the earth and have dominion over everything that moves’. “

Genesis 2:24
“…and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.”

Can anyone be kind enough to point out where any of these scriptures specifically says a man is to have superiority (dominion) and authority (subdue) over his partner? It does not in anywhere state that but instead encourages unity and equality (becoming one flesh) in a relationship.

Every man seeks a companion out of an innate need for a helper and a friend. Do you go about treating a friend like a slave or do you treat her like an equal knowing she is adding value to you? Any man seeking to express his natural desire to possess and subdue will be better off acquiring a pet.

I hope in subsequent rounds to fully convince you without a trace of doubt that a man is not right either by reason, law or divinity to assert his superiority and authority in a relationship.
Thank you.

Mrs..Chima:
Good morning ladies and gentles, thank you for allowing me to express my logic contribution for this debate. I hope that you find my contribution logical and factual.

The moderator asked, “ A man should assert his authority and superiority in a relationship". What relationship? Marriage? Courtship? Intimate encounter? Some debaters will say that it is a God’s given right and in religious doctrines that a man should hold authority over his household albeit confusing “head” with superiority.

Mrs..Chima:

I am not a religious person but I have read the bible and other religious books. According to the Bible, a man that leaves his mother and father cleaved to his wife and become “one”. How can a man hold superiority over his wife if he is “one” with his wife? Does that sound logical to you? I think not, ladies and gentlemen.

Mrs..Chima:

According to the synonyms of superiority, it means better, excellence, top, dominance, supremacy, and perfection. With these examples, why would a loving and spiritual imperfect man claims such adjectives that solidify his belittling attitude toward his wife?

Mrs..Chima:

.....how do humans respond to individuals that demonstrate arrogance, which means exaggerated self-opinion? We show contempt, resistance, objection, and resentment toward arrogant individuals.
Arrogance and superiority both have similar traits in attitude, mentality, behavior, and speech. How can men who demonstrate superiority over his wife expect his wife to respond like a loving wife?

Mrs..Chima:
I believe highly in an eye for an eye. Treat me how you want to be treated. Simple.

Mrs..Chima:


....... I am the neck to my husband, which means supporter and second opinion. My husband knows his role as the head and I know my role as the neck. The head can’t move without the neck, and the neck can’t move without the head and without each other, the house in itself stand divided. We do not make any affecting decisions without each other and if we would to live in a house where the head has superiority and authority over the house, such marriage will not flourish. It can’t flourish if there is no support from one another. It is like a parent trying to coddle a rebellious child.

Mrs..Chima:

My opposing argument is simple this, a man can assert his role as the man of the house, but he can’t assert authority and superiority over his house because his wife isn’t his child. An imperfect man can’t be better or superior over another imperfect human being. Some debaters will assert that the bible said men are to assert this and that but in Ephesians 5 (KJV), it said wives submit to thy husbands as he SUBMIT TO CHRIST as Christ is the head of the church. Husbands love they wife as Christ love the church.
In Galatians (KJV), it said love is kind, gentle, longsuffering, patience, understanding, and joy. According to the love definition, how can men who submit to Christ say that he loves his wife with superior attitude?

Mrs..Chima:
I am glad I am blessed with a husband that understand the true meaning of love, respect, understanding, and “one”.
Thank you ladies and gentlemen.

ayobase: (Amidst Laughter) Believe me, I was tempted to copy and paste from MrBrown's and don8's....good points they have there.....Kudos!
That would be copyright though, and not allowed.
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(Looking sternly) Before coming on here tonight, I asked three (3) of my girlfriends this same question. Their response? You can guess.
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Read what my Mother said also.
''Son, as far as I am concerned, a woman that wouldn't submit to her Lord, husband is not godly. She is not born again. Or rather still a kid to know what marriage entails, and........''. Thats my mother response. I did call her over some issues, and decided to chip in the question after our main discussion. My Mother? I love her for one thing. She will never compromise. What is not is not. Don't even try to explain it. A believer to the core she has been, and I pray that God will see through to the end.
''Do you think you children would have enjoyed a peaceful home if I didn't decide to be submissive to your father''. That wasn't a question as it sounded, but emphasizing. My mother's history before she met my Dad is a chapter for another day.
Thats just by the way.
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Well before I go on and on, I will like you to know this guy rapping, rather than calling him Mummy's Boy (Laughs). I remain my humble self, Comrade Ayobase.
And without forgetting to acknowledge and honour the presence of the (amidst smiling) Moderator, Panel Of Judges, Co-debaters, Nairalanders, Guests, also Sexkillz for turning things around here, and Seun for the creation of this platform to convey our constructive views to the global village.
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Im here to support the notion to be justly dealt with tonight, ''A Man Is Right to Assert His Superiority/Authority in a Relationship''.
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Pls I will like us to get one thing clear based on the definition from dictionary. We are all familiar with those words making up the topic. But not to bore you, I will pick the suitable ones from the multiple definitions of each word.
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-Man: A husband or a lover
-Right: Morally right and acceptable.
-Assert: State a fact or belief confidently.
-Superiority: higher status or taking oneself better than others.
-Authority: The power or right to give orders and enforce obedience.
-Relationshsip: Marriage
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From this definition, I can synonymously say ''A Husband is Morally Right and Acceptable to Confidently state his Facts and Beliefs because he is of Higher Status in the Marriage and/because he should give orders and enforce Obedience in the Marriage.''
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Im very sure I have been able to convince you with that. But resting my fingers here might leave some confused.
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The way the Husband handles his wife (putting the house in order or chaos), will surely tell on the Child(ren)'s upbringing. Remember an adage that says ''Good child is for the father, and the bad one for the mother''.
And you all can attest to it that what the child meets on arrival is what he/she is gonna build on. Just like what you and I built on on our arrival. What do you want your children to meet on their arrival? Orderliness or Chaos?
The ball is in your court.
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Lest I forgot to add, Man came first, while the woman follows, although there is freedom of speech for everyone in EVERY relationship, but the man has more authority and right to assert it (what makes me a man then if not that). And a WISE woman shouldnt allow familiarity to bring about RUDENESS to her man. Out of defensive sentiments displayed in relationship by the women, a WEAK man would tend to compromise his ego to allow peace to prevail, but eventually making dormant WHAT MAKES UP A MAN, and which will cause HAVOC later in the home (Indiscipline and Disobedience in the home from the wife down to the Children) A woman who wants her man to perform his responsibilities BETTER in the M-A-R-R-I-A-G-E should allow him to assert his authority while she remains S-U-B-M-I-S-S-I-V-E. A WISE wife wouldn't counter or overrule her husband's pieces of advice, or rather rules, and neither will the man, but by pleading, teasing, undertstanding, and of course being ROMANTIC......pls note, this is not a case of Master to Slave relationship. It (i.e. Marriage) is for the mature in mind!
A ''Young, wild and free'' lady is no fit for a submissive wife. Even ''Old, wild and free''!
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Man - Ego = Woman!
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To crown it all, our Heavenly Father used Apostle Paul to tell the Women to be submissive to their husbands. And not forgetting that we, the husbands also have more important roles to play in their lives since we became their Fathers, Lovers, Friends, Teachers, and Husbands!
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Without even asking you, and plus the rapt attention you gave reading this, coupled with no grumbling or murmuring, Im so sure that I have been able to persuade you that ''A Husband is Morally Right and Acceptable to Confidently state his Facts and Beliefs because he is of Higher Status in the Marriage and/because he should give orders and enforce Obedience in the Marriage.''
Thank you.

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God Bless Us All.....We meet in the second round!
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Ohh, boy see as I dey sweat for here....true true, ''No be small thing o''

Mrs..Chima:



Good morning Mr. Dont8.

The correct idiom is “Give a man an inch and he take a mile” exemplify individuals whom are too foolish and selfish to appreciate kindness and generosity. How can a man who thinks he is superior over his wife possess kindness and generosity?

Mrs..Chima:



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According to your explanation of the above idiom, you contradicted yourself by stating that a man should assert authority/superiority in the relationship if a woman take a mile, but who should assert authority/superiority in the relationship if a man takes a mile?

Mrs..Chima:




You have raised some significant tidbits that I have the opportunity to eloquently address. It is interesting that you have mentioned titanic and captain in your argument. Now bear with me as I explain the role and duty of each crewmember of titanic. A standard cruise ship consists of these following:
• Ship Master
• Staff Captain
• Safety Officer
• Petty Officer
• Boatswain/boatman
• Cruise Director
• General Staff Member

Each title has a specific responsibility and authority to ensure prevention of potential shipwreck.

The structure and operation of a cruise ship is similar to a family in marital relationship. The head, typically the man is the shipmaster and the neck; typically the woman is the staff captain of the ship. Shipmaster and staff captain have similar authority and responsibilities of the cruise ship ........

Mrs..Chima:





A debate content with biblical references is like copying and pasting theologies of opinionated and questionable religious authors. However according to your bible, if you look at Ephesians 5 (KJV) it illustrates that in a standard Christian family that Christ is the head, which He gave responsibility to the man to carry out in his family and wives to submit to their husbands as their husbands submit to Christ. Christ gave specific instructions to the husbands to love thy wives as Christ love the church.

Mrs..Chima:





Now let look at the definition of submission and feminism, according to a standard dictionary, feminism is a doctrine advocating social, political, and other rights of women equal to those of men.

Mrs..Chima:



.....Do you think your Christ will accept belittling attitude and speech toward your wife that He specifically instructed the husbands to love thy wives as Christ love the church? I think not, sir.

By the true definitions of feminism and submissiveness, I am a proud feminist who wants equal rights in life and prosperity as I am afforded and have no qualms being submissive to the head as the head leads by an example.

Mrs..Chima:



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How can I as a non-religious person accept such laden contradictions? I have seen “Christian marriages” that share your marital philosophy and I must say sir, some of these women and men are denouncing the very fabric of what marriage institution represent.

Mrs..Chima:




The dictionary states that submissive is act of meek, humbly, obedient, and dutiful. I have noticed something when I read the definition of submissiveness that when given an example, it states submissive servants, not woman nor man. An orthodox Muslim demonstrates true meaning of a submissive servant to Allah. A Muslim man can teach his cruise members how to be humbly servants by being an example.

Mrs..Chima:





I am assuming that your biblical reference regarding women in the church and how they should act is from King James Version. Now bear with me as I eloquently address the above reference According to 1 Corinth. 14: 34 states that women should remain silence during public worship and refrain from asking questions that may disrupt pastoral sermon and ask thy husbands at home.

In contradiction, 1 Peter 3:1 states that wives be submissive to thy husbands so that if they do not behave according to the word by your silence and actions shall turn them or won them over.

The two verses contradict each other because? in one verse it prohibit women from teaching or asking questions during public worship but in another verse instruct women to lead by an example with their actions. If such husbands are not living according to the word how can such women win over dirt with dirt? Why would a woman want a man to assert authority and superiority over her if he is using contradicting verses of religious and dead authors to prove his opinion?

Mrs..Chima:



I will not even touch on the subject of male evangelists being questioned and accused of fraud by governmental and public figures.

Mrs..Chima:




As I close, you are correct asserting authority is not the same as bullying or intimidating women in relationships.

Mrs.Chima:
LMAO@erasing half of my argument and only answering one sentence.

ayobase:
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I censored reiterations!
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Waiting for your counter.
But have to sleep now....long day ahead!

ayobase:
Don't even try mixing kerosene and water.
Arrogance is associated with exaggeration, while Superiority is associated with factual reality.
Arrogance is artificial, but Superiority is naturally endowed.
A woman can decide to be arrogant, but Superior!

''An eye for an eye''. Thats what the Court as a tool of Civilization is also preaching in this regard. You and I know that things were in order before the Court of Law as a structure was enacted. I have said it, not all what Civilization introduced are good. That a mobile phone is good doesn't make Nuclear weapon good, and that the Internet is okay, doesn't mean that Gender Equality is sound for the purpose of driving a family as a unit, and the society at large.
You are not being treated like a slave, neither like a child, but like a helper!
I still don't know how you want me to treat you again o.

Of course, the end result is going to be a rebellious child in a family where the woman claims to be the neck controlling the head, Man.
''The Man is the head, and the Woman is the neck'' is one of Gender Equality's inscribes on one of those placards as a propaganda. Are you telling me that the Woman controls the Man. How? The turning head due to the twisting neck? You did make me laugh Mrs. Chima.
Add the prefix ''il'' to logical. Yes, thats what that saying is all about..
Im not surprised since some sayings are induced for selfish purpose.

''A man can assert his role'', you confessed. What is the role of a man, if not to set down rules. And rules are meant are to be obeyed. In a nutshell, you simply said a Man is Right to Assert His Authority in a Relationship. Can you see that you can't run away from the truth. You are a free woman, but pretending not to be.
Get that scritures right, and don't misinterpret with ur 'unreligious' understanding.
''wives submit to thy husbands as he SUBMIT TO CHRIST as Christ is the head of the church. Husbands love thy wives as Christ loves the church.''
What happens to the husband if he refuses to submit to Christ's (Creator's) commands? What happens to him will surely happen to the Woman if she refuses to submit to her Husband. The outcome wouldnt't be a palatable one though.
Love is a broad topic, but to break it dowm for you. There are 3 MAJOR types, and plus 1.
-Ero Love: Between lovers. Romance. Erotic.
-Philia: The one we are sharing on here. Friendhsip.
-Agape: God's. Unconditional one.
-Storge: Affection.
As you stated ''In Galatians (KJV), it said love is kind, gentle, longsuffering, patience, understanding, and joy. According to the love definition, how can men who submit to Christ say that he loves his wife with superior attitude?''.
That sort of love is not Eros or Philia, and neither is it Storge, but Agape.
Even though the four share these ''kind, gentle, longsuffering, patience, understanding, and joy'' in common, but not distinct to Eros, but Agape. Just as Head is not the same as Superiority, but sharing ''better, excellence, top, dominance, supremacy, and perfection'' in common.

He understands the true meaning of love, respect, understanding, and ''one'' because you are submissive. Try an experiment!
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Thank you!

sexkillz:




You are entitled to only 3 posts addressing the issue. The fourth and subsequent posts [/b]you make addressing the issue [b] will not be put into consideration.

You are free to engage your opponent quoting and dissecting their arguments from the previous round and also make a convincing conclusion in your last post . . .

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