dahonestboss: [b]


Its like you are raising your daughter strictly for the benefits you will get from their suitors, and its like you are forgetting something here, what if your daughter insist on marrying somebody that you think does not meet your ''class'' what would you do? taking into consideration her right to choose.

pro01:
My brother, this is an unfortunate point of view for so many reasons. I did not have the patience to read beyond your post, because I think your post epitomises the flawed mindset that warranted this thread. Your opinion is based on too many wrong assumptions; remember that the thread is about 'class' and class divisions, not about values, education, et al.

1. You assume that class has much to do with "labouring hard", and that your class determines how 'good' your wife is and how beautiful your daughters are.

2. You assume that people that are not rich (or that are not in your 'class') cannot have good family values and cannot have excellent upbringing.

3. Most importantly, you not only assume, but you CONCLUDE that people in lower classes are necessarily "dirty-looking and unkempt". In other words, if YOU turn up at Dangote's door and ask's for his daughter's hand in marriage, you would be regarded as "dirty-looking and unkempt", simply because you're not worth up to 1% of his $billions - regardless of how 'clean' you are, or how hardworking you are. This i s exactly the point you're making.

Reminds me of some courtesans I've known; when you ask them why they like dancing shamlessly around wealthy men, they retort "do you expect me to date riff-raffs"! In their opinion, it is either you are wealthy, or you are a riff-raff. No middle-class, no in-betweens. Nothing! I am then forced to remind them that, by their own definition, they themselves are riff-riffs - since they are not wealthy, and nowhere near the class of men they sell themselves to.

In any case, 'rich' is a relative concept. As such, based on your orientation, people that are far richer than you would assume that you are a riff-raff - irrespective of your behaviour, looks, values, education, or anything else.

Truly unfortunate mindset, I tell you.

ileobatojo:
What hard work would you say a child who inherits his family's wealth did? The hard work of sleeping and waking up every morning till his parents died?

How about those who obtain wealth on the strength of their family connections? What hard work did they do that is more than the laborer working from sunrise to sunset 24/7 to feed his family?

How does a poor man make a 'decent income'?

In any case, 'rich' is a relative concept. As such, based on your orientation, people that are far richer than you would assume that you are a riff-raff - irrespective of your behaviour, looks, values, education, or anything else.

now, where would she meet someone that does not meet my requirement?
have you ever met babangida's daughter before in one of your sojourns to kuramo beach? would you ever come across mike adenuga's daughter @ kokobar? you just don't meet rich people anyhow - they are well sheltered and shielded from poor folks - like i said, you watch too much nollywood of poor ramsey nouah dating the princess of the village!

coogar:


his parents have worked hard for him.....why would he need to work again? stop citing isolated cases and talk about what works generally....this is why arguing with a nigerian can be tedious! they go for the very very rare case instead of citing what works for the majority....

who's taking about a poor man making a decent income?

ileobatojo:
And the flip flopping begins. Subtly trying to change your position. This is why arguing with you can be tedious. There is nothing you won't default to in order to keep the argument going even after it's clear to all that you were wrong in your assertion.

You said the only way to get rich was to work hard and asked me to prove otherwise. I have showed you that's not the only way (which you don't need an IQ of up to 60 to figure out, by the way) and you keep yapping non stop.

Umm, you?? Have you lost your train of thought? You said, all things being equal, a hard working poor man will become rich as long as he makes a decent income among other things. Now you are claiming you weren't talking about a poor man? You're out of control!

Anyway, I can see that we will be here all day if this continues. I wouldn't have minded though if it wasn't getting boring, but it is. Peace out.

coogar:

show me where i said a hard working poor man would become rich.....failure to do this and you are the most shameless liar this forum has ever produced. if you don't understand simple english you better enrol into adult classes every evening....

Coogar: i don't blame any rich man shielding his kids from some certain class of people. they worked hard to become rich.....the poor folks should do the same as well.

Coogar: i am saying people who are rich worked hard to get to that position and the less privileged should try harder and follow the footsteps of the ones above them.

Coogar: the only way to get rich? where did i say the only way to get rich is to work hard when i know there are other illegitimate ways like your countrymen do everyday of the week? have you resorted to lying now to score cheap brownie points? shame on you!

Coogar: i don't blame any rich man shielding his kids from some certain class of people. they worked hard to become rich

Coogar: what's the generalization? how do people become rich?

Coogar: the surest and the only way to legitimate wealth is through hard work. if you know any other means, kindly tell us here.....

ileobatojo: I wasn't planning to respond to you anymore but I won't let you get away with lies and ridiculous attempts to tarnish my pure image !!!
Here you go.
On to your next query:

Who said these? Me?
Now you did modify it here and add legitimate (back to your flip-flopping ways, but never mind that). So I will give you that.

Yes, I could have said the "only and legitimate" way in my last post. It still does not change the rest of my post one bit, since I only showed you other legitimate ways of getting rich besides hard work.... Just admit you've been owned

My congolese midget will take on your shriveled pea sized attention span any day!!

coogar:

how wont it change the rest of the comment? you know what those 2 words do in the context of generalization, don't you? so removing the words "only" and "legitimate" in my comments do not alter the specifics? you should sue every tutor that has ever managed your educational development - stark illiterate!

coogar:
we are taking about the vast majority - and she's talking about people who made money via inheritance....how many nigerians made money via huge inheritance? even if they did - someone in the family tree worked hard and managed his resources well for the money to flow down the blood line.........so what's your point here?

ileobatojo:
Dodo, how does the fact that you said handwork is the only legitimate way to get rich change the fact that I showed you that inheritance and connections are legitimate ways to get rich thereby proving that statement of yours to be absolutely, ridiculously false?!
If I had mentioned fraud and scamming et al, then you would have a small point, but I only mentioned legitimate alternatives to your mindless, simplistic stand! Stop making a nuisance of yourself.

My point is stop trying to flip flop, stop moving the goal post. Own your simplicity! It's all your's, own it!

pweeryambre:
Dis notion is very wrong, why do u say its only extremely rich people and xtremely poor we have in in Nigeria, and u were able to afford to be online and type dis. Why did u eliminate d simple average families we have all over the place? Infact majority of nairalanders r from average families. Can we just stop exergerating things pls.

hustla: Wait.......






























Let me ask Ifa

coogar:

you should become the life president of the mental handicap association...
crikey me.....inheritance and connections? what do they mean? so you can get rich by connecting with mike adenuga? you mean adenuga would just give u a fraction of his wealth and bang - you are rich? the connections don't entail executing a contract or getting a written note to work somewhere and save up to become rich? where were you when your creator was distributing intelligence? at the back of the queue - arguing blindly like you are doing and not knowing removing key words like "legitimate" and "only" alters the message of a comment....

jidegirl12:

I worked very hard to be up so there's no going down talk less of meeting somebody ....so long story short I don't need your help!

ileobatojo:
Oh boy! There is no depth you are not willing to sink to, is there? What does it mean to get rich by inheriting your father's millions? What do connections mean in acquiring wealth?

You know what, I won't let your airheadedness pigheadedness be a hindrance to my prayers. I'm trying to repent in this family section abeg.

I agree with you completely, hardwork is the only legitimate way to get wealth. Poor people are lazy and they are only poor because they don't work hard. All poor people are lazy, all lazy people are poor. All hardworking people are rich. All rich people are hardworking. Sh' obatan? You're right, I'm wrong, my IQ is in the negative digits. My attention span is appalling, I lack wisdom, have no sense of decorum while waiting in line to see my creator, I make love to Congolese midgets...Did I miss anything.. Will you have a good night now?

caseless: who is this self-created nigerian?what do u mean u worked hard to get up there and u are not coming down? Think about pharoah, ghadaffi, sadam hussain, hosni mubarAk,I think they all worked hard to get up there and where are they today? Sis, think again about the lifeless moment of ur existencE and live a humble life.mmm

coogar:

see sheer idiocy at its sterling quality....
so if my father worked twice as hard as his peers - made money for himself and left enough for me to inherit now means no hard work was done at all? even with that - i still have to work at it to sustain the business. wealth is not what you have in your reserve, it's the cash flow! if you are not making any income at all and all you do is dip into your reserves then you are not rich! Forbes will not even recognise you if the money is made via inheritance - get some education, my friend and stop blocking my rearview mirror.....

ileobatojo:
Dig baby, dig! Keep sinking lower and lower! You'll soon reach uncharted depths. Forbes only? Guinness book of records awaits! Keep going baby!! Rooting for you!

Chedarking: ...Like any one of these cats commenting is 'rich'

coogar:

so let's assume you became rich in your profession......
you laboured hard and you married a good wife who have you beautiful kids. you spent fortunes raising your daughters the right way. good education, excellent upbringing, outstanding family values and then one evening, a dirty looking unkempt guy shows up on your doorstep asking to see your daughter......how would you react?

busybee24:
but for the most part... there will always be that conflict..
and especially with men from our culture... better off women... RUN... they will for the most part always have a problem.. with you. under the guise that your are not "submissive" aka they are insecure... better off men... Women.. RUN.... they will always say they brought you to the point that you are and will always lord it over your heads..
In conclusion, stick to your class unless of course you know that it is ordained by God

ileobatojo:
I completely agree with you that such marriages won't be beans. The same issues will arise even if the marriage is ordained by God. I definitely won't advice a stinking rich woman to marry a dirt poor guy. Certain variations in the middle might be better though.


*By the way, I hope that passive aggressive coward upthread will have the balls to spew the rubbish directly at the person intended next time.*

coogar:

ileobatojo the witchdoctor
you want to bully her, huh? you know you are my favourite gyn on this forum, don't you? lets go to health section and argue embryo vs foetal position one more time before the year runs out....