Mowire: @OP. What I see is that you are here to look for justification for/to resist what you know the bible is saying in those verses. There are these verses in the bible (OT) where God said the woman's vows to God are subject to the husbands approval (or her father's if a spinster); that if he disapproves such vows are not binding on her. In other words if a wife makes & pays a vow to God without the husband's approval that vow is a nullity: futile.
Does this make any sense?

50calibre:

There is something called HIERARCHY, are everyone in the military or a country or an organization equal? Equality doesnt apply to marriage and family life, the moment equality and justice is brought into the family, the family goes into chaos and ruin.

all4naija: You are missing servitude for rank(that's when hierarchy comes in). Submission is form of oppression that favor one gender above the other and can be very potent in some society that likes men to be worshipped by women. Rather than to share as a couple with differences per gender, through beliefs and customs and equal in responsibility one is forced to be the slave. Women have a lot they play in a family and that must be respected as well as the men. But, when it become servitude that is what I don't agree with on the subject of submission. The definition of submission is indeed tricky and sounds like oppression or enslavement. I wouldn't want any of my sisters to
be slaves to any man, because that is what submission means in the world of chauvinist!

Shollypopz:

Pimples:
Ok. Maybe I should not have used the word Equality but the point I'm trying to make is that 1st and foremost, your wife is a human. With rights. Some of these rights include freedom of expression of her intellectual, emotional, mental,.......wills. Your approach encroaches on those rights. We are supposed to have gone past the slave trade era

50calibre:

There is something called HIERARCHY, are everyone in the military or a country or an organization equal? Equality doesnt apply to marriage and family life, the moment equality and justice is brought into the family, the family goes into chaos and ruin.

50calibre:

Nobody is trying to enslave the other, a woman should know her place and make an effective use of her position in the family and not by trying to lock horns with her husband, that is the way it has been and that's the way it will continue to be.

Different societies have their own culture, norms and values that works for them. In Germany, a woman Is superior to the man, she calls the shots and makes decisions. In Japan the man works and hands over his income to his wife who then allocates the money for different purposes.

The earlier people (especially women) realize that African culture places a man higher and stop trying to bring in western ideology of equality, the better else the number of unmarried singles will continue to swell.

KINGwax: ^^^
talk your own

50calibre:

A real woman who wishes to live under a man, commit her self to him and forge a future for her and her kids, shouldn't expect justice but leadership from her husband

50calibre:

Nobody is trying to enslave the other, a woman should know her place and make an effective use of her position in the family and not by trying to lock horns with her husband, that is the way it has been and that's the way it will continue to be.

Different societies have their own culture, norms and values that works for them. In Germany, a woman Is superior to the man, she calls the shots and makes decisions. In Japan the man works and hands over his income to his wife who then allocates the money for different purposes.

The earlier people (especially women) realize that African culture places a man higher and stop trying to bring in western ideology of equality, the better else the number of unmarried singles will continue to swell.

50calibre:

There is something called HIERARCHY, are everyone in the military or a country or an organization equal? Equality doesnt apply to marriage and family life, the moment equality and justice is brought into the family, the family goes into chaos and ruin.

coogar:

very good question.....
my headship is actually a matter of responsibility and accountability - this is where african men generally screw things up. in sane climes, the head serves his subjects, in africa, the head wants to be served. accepting my authority means she cannot resist my will. this does not mean she cannot express her fears or disagree with some of my decisions...she's my helper not a doormat!

coogar:

very good question.....
my headship is actually a matter of responsibility and accountability - this is where african men generally screw things up. in sane climes, the head serves his subjects, in africa, the head wants to be served. accepting my authority means she cannot resist my will. this does not mean she cannot express her fears or disagree with some of my decisions...she's my helper not a doormat!

oyin50: . @ u are a real and tru African man. My dad use to say even in the animal kingdom there is orderliness. Don't listen to all these rats that want to forcefully be men, why don't u girls become transgender. Silly opportunistic kids.

oyin50: . @ u are a real and tru African man. My dad use to say even in the animal kingdom there is orderliness. Don't listen to all these rats that want to forcefully be men, why don't u girls become transgender. Silly opportunistic kids.

all4naija: Okay! A musician once said "some of them want to be abused..."

50calibre: Submission of my wife to me means

- She accepts and appreciates my superiority and never challenges nor contradicts my decision rather she can let her opinions known politely.

- She respects and see me as her priority coming second in her life after God and can only pray to God and hope that I reciprocate the respect.

- She sees me as her supreme leader, and should always make herself available without second thoughts or hesitation for her conjugal duties, cooking, or anything else should I demand it of her.

- She should see my love for her as a privileged and not a right, and should work tirelessly to earn and keep my love.

oyin50: The plain truth is women these days are uncomfortable with submitting to me even if deep down they know that is the ideal thing but we want to adopt the western bogus feminine liberation garbage. my mom submitted totally to my papa and everyone was happy, He never hindered her purchases of high carat jeweleries, she spends as she likes because she knew her limits when it comes to addressing baba. They are very happy together. Sisters all these talks are out of arrogance and stubborness period. The ones that are most annoying are the men that give in to these pressures. Really annoying.

coogar: submission is a gift my wife chooses to give me...it's a free will, a decision she's made to be led by me, to accept my authority and to be my helper whenever i need aid.

trolling:
......and how would the head of the house serve his wife...explain

ileobatojo: Well color me surprised! The mad dog is grasping on to sanity today! I thought by now, the gutter within would have been unleashed. On a good day, we should be in the realm of 'oloriburuku, 'oloshi', ko ni da fun gbogbo ebi yin', br.east exposing, market woman levels by now.

God is good o.

all4naija: Huh! Everybody must now be like your mother because she can bear to be submissive! That's revealing. Modern girls listen...

oyin50: The plain truth is women these days are uncomfortable with submitting to me even if deep down they know that is the ideal thing but we want to adopt the western bogus feminine liberation garbage. my mom submitted totally to my papa and everyone was happy, He never hindered her purchases of high carat jeweleries, she spends as she likes because she knew her limits when it comes to addressing baba. They are very happy together. Sisters all these talks are out of arrogance and stubborness period. The ones that are most annoying are the men that give in to these pressures. Really annoying.

Shollypopz: Submission of women without sugar-coating:

1.) Your husband has the final say. If u like voice your opinions as much as u want, his want and will comes b4 urs
2.) He decides what you do to help the family. It's not your choice
3.) You are a subordinate, he is the boss!
4.) You help him achieve his dreams. Yours doesn't matter cos what ur goal and dream should be is helping him achieve his.

hheheehehee *evil grin*.....Submission is crap, plain oppression and bullsh1t! If a home has to hv a head, then let the smarter one take the role. The role shouldn't be defined by gender.

ileobatojo:

Lmao! They are very happy together eh? I'm sure. As long as all that high carat jewelry continue to flow, it's all good..

I need to come and learn some manipulation submission tactics from your mom o.