russellino: Its a wonder and mystery that Yakubu Gowon has never written a memoir about his own perspective of the Nigerian Civil War. A head of state who cannot write his memoirs even when everybody has written theirs must most likely have something to hide or is ashamed of his role in history

Katsumoto:




To be honest, I have been very disappointed that Dede1 couldn't be more original in his jabs. Instead he plagiarized.

eagle,eye:

I am sorry but I don't debate matters based on sentiments. You are very much entitled to your opinion.

Dede1:


Katsumoto

You should remember it takes one moonlight wrestler to know another. Actually when you used that jab, I figured wrestling was much about Kiriji wars. I mean the scenario could not be more at home than Kiriji jokes.

ACM10:

Why are you playing hide-n-seek game? You boldly stated that 90% of Aburi provisions were promulgated. Then I requested for the copy of the Aburi accord with which you arrived at that figure. Many agreements were left out in my copy, while others were watered down to the level that will be unacceptable to the other party.

Sometimes it can be frustrating debating with you, especially whenever you starts to play your hide-n-seek game. No need to respond to you again if you do not produce your copy of Aburi agreement or show us how you got your ridiculous figure of 90% honoured and 10% rejected.

Tolexander: you can just challenged him to post your own copy of the aburi accord!

T9ksy: Abeg, my people, all this perambulation is not necessary.

"On Aburi we stand" was ojukwu's war song, wasn't it?

which part of the accord did Gowon reneged on that means millions of innocent nigerians had to die.

I mean, ojukwu and the ibos must know why they went to a war they were not fully prepared for.

tomakint:
So far so good, you seems to be the only one who clearly understood the aims and objectives of this thread! The Biafran-Nigerian war remains the hottest debated topic on Nairaland and shall remain so until we know some 'hidden truths behind the curtain' or else we would always come here to waffle and still edge the main points! Like you rightly pointed out, Gowon really have some secrets he is keeping to himself concerning the ill-fated war, I am shocked that up till now he is yet to write his own war memoirs despite being the sitting head of state during those dark hours! Peace to you friend

gregtochi:
From all these intellectual dicuss on this thread, it seems to me that U just want to be deliberately mischivious. Please get a life! No offence mearnt.

debetmx:

All what am saying is that, when Ifeajuna and d rest killed other people's leader your people were rejoicing, they kill ur pple u call it genocide. Like I wrote in my earlier post d ibos have "em selves 2 blame. Acknowledge that, then we can move from there and talk abt Gowon but we shld address ojuiku's intransigence first. If d ibos wanted seccession what about d efik, ijaw, kalabari, ibibio and d rest. Ojuiku arrogated all power, will decision and direction 2 himself. Am not on this thread 2 talk abt abiola or obasanjo

pazienza:

I had long trashed your better equipped brother on this issue. Biafra was an eastern region affair and not an igbo affair,there was never a time in it's existence that that fact changed.

ACM10:

Why are you playing hide-n-seek game? You boldly stated that 90% of Aburi provisions were promulgated. Then I requested for the copy of the Aburi accord with which you arrived at that figure. Many agreements were left out in my copy, while others were watered down to the level that will be unacceptable to the other party.

Sometimes it can be frustrating debating with you, especially whenever you starts to play your hide-n-seek game. No need to respond to you again if you do not produce your copy of Aburi agreement or show us how you got your ridiculous figure of 90% honoured and 10% rejected.

Dede1:


Katsumoto

You should remember it takes one moonlight wrestler to know another. Actually when you used that jab, I figured wrestling was much about Kiriji wars. I mean the scenario could not be more at home than Kiriji jokes.

T9ksy: Abeg, my people, all this perambulation is not necessary.

"On Aburi we stand" was ojukwu's war song, wasn't it?

which part of the accord did Gowon reneged on that means millions of innocent nigerians had to die.

I mean, ojukwu and the ibos must know why they went to a war they were not fully prepared for.

tomakint: The question that should be on everyone's lips should be; why did Gowon reneged on the Aburi Accord?

tomakint: The question that should be on everyone's lips now is, “what were the immediate and remote causes of the Nigeria Civil War (1967-1970)? Who should be blamed for the events that led to the declaration of independence by “Biafra”?

Ojukwu had written his own accounts of the war before he took his exit to the great beyond; 'Because I am involved and Emeka' and now we still have the other progenitor of the war still claiming 'he is now a born again' that we should forget the past and move on as if the past is not part of our history, Gowon must tell us 'deep things' he knows about the war, what his 'Northern Masters' told him to do and must be done, we need answers why on getting to Lagos he decided to reneged on an agreed arrangement in far away Accra, I mean Gowon should say something because whether we like it or not, the wounds of Biafra is still festering

T9ksy:


Hell no! What we all should want to know is WHAT did Gowon allegedly reneged on that

necessitated the death 2 million souls on both sides of the war? Whatever it is must have been very important to

ojukwu who coined the now infamous phrase, "On Aburi we stand".

Katsumoto:

Stop dancing around the issue.

What did Gowon not implement from Aburi? What was missing in Decree 8? You chaps need to be sincere.

tomakint:
But you have been the one not sincere here since the commencement of this debates, by defending anything Gowon, FG on the ill-fated war I decided not to join the debate because of some 'clownish statements' from people who aree typically bent, hence, their judgment is on sentiment and not on facts!

Here is your Decree 8;

Decree No. 8 of 1967

The main feature of this Decree in the vesting in the Supreme Military Council of both the legislative and executive powers of the Government of the Federation. The Federal Executive Council which has hitherto exercised these powers has now been divested of them and it is henceforth to discharge those functions that are specifically delegated to it by the Supreme Military Council.

2. In the exercise of these legislative and executive powers, the concurrence of the Head of the Federal Military Government and of all the Military Governors is, for the first time, made essential in respect of certain matters which are set out in section 69 (6) of the Constitution. These are, to mention a few, matters affecting or relating to trade, commerce, industry, transport, the Armed Forces, the Nigerian Police, Higher Education, and the territorial integrity of a Region and the provisions of the sections listed in the proviso to section 4 (1) of the Constitution.

3. On the other hand, the legislative and executive powers of the Regions have been fully restored and vested in their respective Military Governors. But the provisions of section 86 of the Constitution of the Federation ensure that no Region shall exercise its executive authority so as to impede or prejudice the exercise of the executive authority of the Federation or to endanger the continuance of federal government in Nigeria.

4. The provisions of section 70 of the Constitution of the Federation give powers to the Supreme Military Council to take over the executive and legislative functions of a Regional Government during any period of emergency which might be declared in respect of that Region by the Supreme Military Council, while those of section 71 give the Supreme Military Council power to take appropriate measures against a Region which attempts to secede from the rest of the Federation, or where the executive authority of the Region is being exercised in contravention of section 86 of the Constitution.

5. On the question of amendment to a Regional Constitution, section 5 of the Constitution of the Federation has been suitably modified to the effect that in respect of certain matters mentioned in the section like, the appointment, tenure of office and terms of service of High Court judges, the functions of the Public Service Commission, the establishment of a Consolidated Revenue Fund, etc., andy Edict made shall come into operation only with the concurrence of the Supreme Military Council.

6. The Advisory Judicial Committee established under Decree no. 1 of 1966 and which before now tendered advice to the Supreme Military Council regarding appointment of judges all over the Federation ahs been abolished. Each Military Governor now controls appointment of judges of the High Court of his Region. But the appointment of the judges of both the Supreme Court of Nigeria and the High Court of Lagos is made the sole responsibility of the Supreme Military Council.

7. All appointments to posts in the superscale group 6 and above in the Public Service of the Federation and appointments to posts of Deputy Commissioner of Police and above in the Nigeria Police Force are now to be made by the Supreme Military Council. The functions formerly discharged under sections 110 and 146 of the Constitution of the Federation by the Federal Public Service Commission and the Police Service Commission respectively are now to that extent limited. 8. Appointments to the offices of Ambassador, High Commissioner and other principal representatives of the Republic in countries other than Nigeria are now, under the Decree, to be made by the Supreme Military Council.

Knock yourself off, I am waiting

Katsumoto:

Its a very simple question, yet these chaps won't answer it. Rather than accept that they didn't understand why they fought, they continue to blame Gowon. I think its because Igbo folks believe they are infallible and never wrong. It must always be the fault of others if things go wrong.

Gowon implemented decree 8 to satisfy Ojukwu's demands at Aburi; what did Gowon agree to that he didn't implement? Simples

Katsumoto:

Its a very simple question, yet these chaps won't answer it. Rather than accept that they didn't understand why they fought, they continue to blame Gowon. I think its because Igbo folks believe they are infallible and never wrong. It must always be the fault of others if things go wrong.

Gowon implemented decree 8 to satisfy Ojukwu's demands at Aburi; what did Gowon agree to that he didn't implement? Simples

tomakint:
Didn't they agreed on a confederacy Katz?

T9ksy:


Abi ojare, my brother!!! I tire for these people o!

I believe they are too scared and ashamed to admit, at least to themselves that their leaders especially ojukwu

didn't give a r.at's ar.se about them and infact, ojukwu 419ed them to satisfy his inordinate ambition.

That's why the act of introspection is not hardwired into their DNA.

eagle,eye:

If you must know, I (an Igbo man) equally believed that the execution of the first coup de 'etat was flawed. The initial plan by the Coupist was to carry out a total cleansing of the "Filthy" political landscape. But some of the actors of that ill fated coup bungled it. By allowing Azikiwe, Michael Opara and some others from the East to escape death, they inevitably gave a Ethnic coloration to the a coup.
BUT DOES THAT WARRANT THE SUBSEQUENT KILLINGS THAT TOOK PLACE AFTER THE JULY COUNTER COUP? NO.
Does that warrant Gowon not keeping to the Aburi Accord? No
Does that make the Genocidal killings Right? No

So when you want to argue History do so Objectively and not because of Tribal sentiment. I for one will not come here on NL and support what IBB did in 1993, (Annuling an election that was widely acknowlegded as free and fair) because a Yoruba man was involved.

dayokanu:

The answer to the bold is YES.

Ibo soldiers killed other regional leaders, ironsi had a good 6 months to address the issue what did he do?

Let me ask if you were the aggrieved party whose leader was killed and 6 months later ironsi from the killers ethnic group was pussyfooting all over What would you do?

tomakint:

For that statement, you are an unfortunate human being, don't you know that this is not a beer parlour, look up this is Nairaland, we are discussing something serious and which is still living with us till date, yet you are spewing garbage, and if you are in Ojukwu's shoes, what would you do? A Confederacy was settled for at Aburi in Accra, Gowon got to Lagos and decided to circumvent an agreement painted in white, and you are here waffling

eagle,eye:


Dayo, I remember that we both have argued this particular point on another thread. At the bold part of my post, you will notice that I am not sounding aggrieved about the July Counter coup that equally took Ironsi's life. I am talking about the subsequent killings that happened in the North after the July coup. I am talking particularly about the POGROM that took place.
Dayo, I am not going to go into this arguement with you again. If deep down in you that you JUSTIFY THE POGROMS AND GENOCIDAL KILLINGS that took place before and during the war, then I don't know what else I can say.
If you can boldly say that the North was right in CUTTING UP PREGNANT WOMEN AND BRINGING OUT THEIR UN-BORN BABIES TO CUT UP TO PIECES, then I don't have anything else to say or any point to argue about.