musKeeto: What's really interesting is if this 'egbesu' works, it would go a long way in confirming that 'african powers' not the Jesu Christi exist... But a power that supposedly protects one from 'bullets and death' is termed 'evil/demonic' because it's african?


God sic have mercy....

According to the slave masters that brought the "good news" of Jesus, everything that has to do with african belief is demonic and satanic . . . .

Logicboy03: [size=18pt]Abeg ooo


Majaze, Holla at me when you are in Naija.



I would personally love to shoot Ijawkid in the forehead. The end result will be the death of the nonsense supernatural belief and the useless brainwashed believer. [/size]

All these goats claiming bulletproof jazz, yet are not ready to prove it in real life

You no go shut up??........

Where were you when the ijaws and istekiri's were at war??.......

You don hear say mazaje wan shoot me you don run come..........

I want you LB in particular to come to warri........you go fit??....

Come to your home and let the practicals begin...

Little wonder Christians will quickly forgive the Israelites, even pity them for their 'God-given ignorance' in the old testament.. The genocides, slavery, killings...

But according to this same African Yahweh slaves, adopted 'spiritual beings' of a foreign god, our continent continues to suffer because our people were making sacrifices to the wrong gods...

Smh.

And now 'egbesu' that supposedly should protect from 'harm' is considered esoteric occultic knowledge because it isn't from Yahweh.

Yet, the 'iddiots' will queue and purchase handkerchiefs and olive oil at obscene prices for spiritual protection from unseen forces..

Damn, I'm so pissed right now.. How could a group of people be so illogical?

mazaje1:

Sure, it doesn't matter what evidence you have been given, the need to believe is there so you must satisfy it because you have built your views round it and you are truly convicted. . .Here is one of my post on another thread where we had a similar discussion. I actually wasted my time and money on this juju nonsense with a friend here that believes in it but after it failed he still refused to believe that juju does not work. Here it is. . . .

I have this friend here that completely believes in juju. . .The guy seriously dislikes me for my unbelief, you know how it is when you were a believer and someone tells you things like god does not exist or that satan and juju do not exist, you know the kind of feeling you will get, the kind of feeling of great surprise and disgust, the kind of feeling that goes like this " why should some one talk like this" or "what is this fool saying about god not existing or Satan is not real and juju is a myth"? I bet you all know the kind of feeling, cos we were once all there before . . .It will sound completely stupidddd and senseless to you when some one tells you he does not believe in god or some of the many things you strongly believe in. things you have been condition and indoctrinated to believe are real. . .I didn't tell the guy that I do not believe in god, just told him that I do not believe in juju, because he is so ignorantly blind and TOO superstitious. We had a deal, he told me that I have not meet the right juju that is why i am blabbing and he vowed to go to Nigeria and get a very good juju for me that will work, he was SO CONFIDENT. He told me the usual stories about how he saw people doing this and that and how he used juju as a cultist in the university to do so many things in Nigeria. He told me that he has used juju himself and told me how his father and his grand father were great juju men, told me how he gave his friends and relatives juju to use, according to him some even took the juju to Europe and US, he said they did so many things with the juju, got riches. got women, got favors bla bla bla . . . .Told me that yahoo boys come to him and he takes them to the baba who gives them the "do as I say juju" so that what ever they tell their mugu the mugu will obey without complains bla bla bla. . .

We had a deal, I bought a return ticket for him. The deal was for him to go and bring the otomopkoh(juju) as he calls it(He is yoruba). We will go to one of the casinos and use it because he claimed his relatives in italy have used it to make big money through gambling there(he has always wanted to go to naija get the juju and raid all the casinos ), he also claimed he will come with the "do as I say juju" as well, he will tell people to give him money and they will obey without question, he was so CONFIDENT. He vowed to enter a bank, meet the cashier or manager and tell them to give him money, he vowed that who ever he meets in the bank will give him money without questioning him once he uses the do as I say juju. . .He swore heaven and earth that his juju is 100%, he claimed it belongs to their village bla bla bla and cost only 50 thousand naira. . .It was so serious that I just had to engage him out of anger and give him the money. . .He went to Nigeria came back with the juju and showed me. We went to the casino in Aalborg. As usual it failed. . .He placed 20 euros and lost, placed another 20 and lost. He tired 5 times in total and lost 100 euros. . .He was genuinely shocked. The next day we went and tried again, he won 180 euros initially but still lost all the money after a few tries. . .

He tried the do as I say on one woman and received the embarrassment of his life. . .But he STILL believes in juju. . .He still does NOT want to believe that juju does NOT work. . .I am VERY serious. . .He still believes that juju is real. . .After wasting my money. . .The stupidddd fooooool still holds unto his mythical juju belief. . .I am still fixated on this juju nonsense. . .Belief is actually stronger than I thought it was. . .You can HARDLY make some one change his/her beliefs. . .This guy saw his juju fail him despite his TOTAL confidence and belief in juju but still find ways to either blame himself or the juju man that gave him the juju, forgetting that he swore heaven and earth to me of how the man's juju has been tried and tested by him before which actually is not true. . .He just heard stories but was telling me that he saw it, he took people there and it worked for them, he said it worked for him too bla bla bla. . .Belief is a very strong thing. . .I am way past all these endless stories, if you make a claim just prove it else shut up. . .

What if I say all this story you just narrate na a figment??.....

Where is the evidence that this your story isn't a hoax??...

mazaje1:

Brother no be scam, if you are serious and not LYING as usual, take up the challange you will win a million dollars, if you can bring any body that will be shot at without the bullet penetrating into his body . . .I will come to naija and will shot who ever you bring. . .If the bullet does not penetrate I PROMISE to give 10,000 euros and be shot at as well. . .I am NOT kidding. . .The only condition I will place is that I will use my own gun . . . .

Have I ever LIED to you or ya fellows before??........

I suspect say charm even dey ya waist as u dey talk..........

And why should you use your own gun??...

E be like ya gun has passed through the shrines of egbesu too.....

ijawkid:

What if I say all this story you just narrate na a figment??.....

Where is the evidence that this your story isn't a hoax??...

I can drop you a number to call . . . . .I will come to Nigeria and take your test. ..I am NOT kidding. . .Just get your cousins ready. . .They must be shot at . . .10,000 euros, NO kiddo . . .

ijawkid:

What if I say all this story you just narrate na a figment??.....

Where is the evidence that this your story isn't a hoax??...

Bro, he's already told you he's willing to meet you to test your 'story'.. The way you Xtians quicky dump burden of proof on the unbeliever's amazing..
If you were quite sure this egbesu works, this conversation would have been over a long time..

Btw, I don hear of boys wey do dat thing. One, according to a story, fell ill and had to undo the undoable when nurses couldn't prick his skin with a syringe.

Of course, I asked for proof and hospital. The story teller started rambling, just like you're doing...

For me, I dey fear gun. I no one shoot person.

ijawkid:

Have I ever LIED to you or ya fellows before??........

I suspect say charm even dey ya waist as u dey talk..........

And why should you use your own gun??...

E be like ya gun has passed through the shrines of egbesu too.....

I will use my own gun so that you don't give me a bad gun that will jam . . .Stop talking and accept the test already . . .Logicboy will be there and at lest 2 other atheist that agree to witness it. . .I will sponsor their flight and hotel accomodation for 3 days. I am NOT kidding. . .Just get your people ready and take the challenge already . . .

ijawkid:

You no go shut up??........

Where were you when the ??.......

You don hear say mazaje wan shoot me you don run come..........

I want you LB in particular to come to warri........you go fit??....

Come to your home and let the practicals begin...

What happened when the ijaws and istekiri's were at war?. . .Stop threating people with warri . . .Will you bring your cousins forward or not?. . .

ijawkid:

You no go shut up??........

Where were you when the ijaws and istekiri's were at war??.......

You don hear say mazaje wan shoot me you don run come..........

I want you LB in particular to come to warri........you go fit??....

Come to your home and let the practicals begin...

I was in warri some weeks ago.

musKeeto: Little wonder Christians will quickly forgive the Israelites, even pity them for their 'God-given ignorance' in the old testament.. The genocides, slavery, killings...

But according to this same African Yahweh slaves, adopted 'spiritual beings' of a foreign god, our continent continues to suffer because our people were making sacrifices to the wrong gods...

Smh.

And now 'egbesu' that supposedly should protect from 'harm' is considered esoteric occultic knowledge because it isn't from Yahweh.

Yet, the 'iddiots' will queue and purchase handkerchiefs and olive oil at obscene prices for spiritual protection from unseen forces..

Damn, I'm so pissed right now.. How could a group of people be so illogical?

Illogical is an understatement . . . .

Ijawkid stop threatening people with warri.

P.S; you be like who I see for NNPC Junior staff club this night cos the guy just dey speak ijaw dey threaten the girl when dey sell fish and he no want wait him turn.

ezme: Ijawkid stop threatening people with warri.

P.S; you be like who I see for NNPC Junior staff club this night cos the guy just dey speak ijaw dey threaten the girl when dey sell fish and he no want wait him turn.

That must be ijaw kid. . . .

musKeeto:
Bro, he's already told you he's willing to meet you to test your 'story'.. The way you Xtians quicky dump burden of proof on the unbeliever's amazing..
If you were quite sure this egbesu works, this conversation would have been over a long time..

Btw, I don hear of boys wey do dat thing. One, according to a story, fell ill and had to undo the undoable when nurses couldn't prick his skin with a syringe.

Of course, I asked for proof and hospital. The story teller started rambling, just like you're doing...

For me, I dey fear gun. I no one shoot person.

lol, I've heard the same story before, lol, funny innit?

ezme: Ijawkid stop threatening people with warri.

P.S; you be like who I see for NNPC Junior staff club this night cos the guy just dey speak ijaw dey threaten the girl when dey sell fish and he no want wait him turn.

original, I greet u, u be confam wafarian, I dey follow ur government bros.

mazaje1:

I will use my own gun so that you don't give me a bad gun that will jam . . .Stop talking and accept the test already . . .Logicboy will be there and at lest 2 other atheist that agree to witness it. . .I will sponsor their flight and hotel accomodation for 3 days. I am NOT kidding. . .Just get your people ready and take the challenge already . . .

well, I understand your stance in aLl this, you live abroad, you stay among people who hold little or no superstitious belief(s) and to you superstition is absurd and unintelligent, I get,

But while a part of me yearns to agree entirely with what you're saying, the other part of me that has witnessed bizarre supernatural occurrences chose to disagree, I have seen things I can not put down in words, I have seen people make predictions that come to pass, I have seen over five crusifixes in a glass bottle, (how the hell they got inside, I have no friggin idea) and lots of other crazy stuff,

Was I hallucinating when I saw these things, I was'nt, (cos I don't do drugs or take alcohol) I have done spiritual exercises like astral projection, where I saw things that were very real, although it seemed asif I was in a lucid state, but I saw things,

I'm no religionist, and I'm open to sound and logical reasoning, I don't believe in the vengeful, blood thirsty evil spirit/god of the jews, but I believe that there are malevolent forces that chose to put people in misery, I did not arrive at these conclusions from heresay, I witnessed many metaphysical happenings, and even as the freethinker in me yearns to believe that the shadows in the dark are not worth chasing, the ISOKO man in me tells me to be cautious of my people in the village.

So what exactly are you scared of? Why should these African gods kill their own people and not the slaveowners? Wouldn't it be better as a 'freethinker' to cast away fear and try to understand or grasp the basics of whatever tradition your people practice? Would their own 'gods' want them extinct?

This should be the position of a freethinker, not being scared of the unknown. A powerful god that can harm puts a crucifix in a bottle.... smh..

musKeeto: So what exactly are you scared of? Why should these African gods kill their own people and not the slaveowners? Wouldn't it be better as a 'freethinker' to cast away fear and try to understand or grasp the basics of whatever tradition your people practice? Would their own 'gods' want them extinct?

This should be the position of a freethinker, not being scared of the unknown. A powerful god that can harm puts a crucifix in a bottle.... smh..

what I have learnt so far on my journey to self enlightenment is that things are not always what they seem, muskeeto as an agnostic u should know that by now,

When you were a child studying CRS in secondary skul, if u were told that a time would come in your life where u would be writing articles, and calling the biblical God all sorts of names, u would'nt believe, but now u know beta,
life is not black and white, life is full of mysteries that we can never fully comprehend, take the pyramids at giza for example, there has been no concrete scientific explanation for how they were built, and so many other mysteries, where these people given divine architectural knowledge? That's something we will probably never find out, science holds answers to many things but not all things,

Indeed.. And it's important that we do not move from one prison to another...

I like your honesty though.

bolaino: what I have learnt so far on my journey to self enlightenment is that things are not always what they seem, muskeeto as an agnostic u should know that by now,

When you were a child studying CRS in secondary skul, if u were told that a time would come in your life where u would be writing articles, and calling the biblical God all sorts of names, u would'nt believe, but now u know beta,
life is not black and white, life is full of mysteries that we can never fully comprehend, take the pyramids at giza for example, there has been no concrete scientific explanation for how they were built, and so many other mysteries, where these people given divine architectural knowledge? That's something we will probably never find out, science holds answers to many things but not all things,

Is the Big Ban.g supernatural?

Is a skyscraper supernatural?

Is the power of the atom supernatural?

The Universe is immense, and near infinite that it blows our minds away with astronomical distances, sizes and material, would that mean its supernatural?

What is Supernatural?

bolaino:
But while a part of me yearns to agree entirely with what you're saying, the other part of me that has witnessed bizarre supernatural occurrences chose to disagree, I have seen things I can not put down in words, I have seen people make predictions that come to pass, I have seen over five crusifixes in a glass bottle, (how the hell they got inside, I have no friggin idea) and lots of other crazy stuff,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRuj4wChPtA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossible_bottle

^
For your curiousity about the 'impossible bottle'

Whilst I agree that nobody knows all and some thing are still beyond human comprehension, I still hold the conviction not to quickly lean towards the realms of spirituality and Mysticism. Why?

A lot of what was attributed as non-comprehendable to human capacity or mystery has often been resolved through the use of science. As we vecome more advanced in science and thoughts alot of entities become demystified. Humans in their helplessness and in some cases laziness(Nigerian, mostly) are quick to mystify anything they dont understand rather that using researching or even 'googling' the topic.

I believe Nigerians should make better use of the internet, rather than focus on linda ieji's blog.

Kay 17:

Is the Big Ban.g supernatural?

Is a skyscraper supernatural?

Is the power of the atom supernatural?

The Universe is immense, and near infinite that it blows our minds away with astronomical distances, sizes and material, would that mean its supernatural?

What is Supernatural?

well, supernatural can be said to be something that is beyond natural, something that goes against physics, metaphysical or supernatural both hold same meaning,

The big bang, is just a theory and it's not a fact but if it really is true then it's not supernatural, like wise the power of the atom, I hope the higgs boson theory is proven to be accurate soonest though, cos it would shut the church folks up for good,

I agree wit u that the universe is massive and and infinitesimal, and that. Makes it seem more supernatural, there are things that science can not be able to explain, like I personally believe in Extraterrestrial existence, we can't be the only ones living on this gigantic universe,

dare2think:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRuj4wChPtA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossible_bottle

^
For your curiousity about the 'impossible bottle'

Whilst I agree that nobody knows all and some thing are still beyond human comprehension, I still hold the conviction not to quickly lean towards the realms of spirituality and Mysticism. Why?

A lot of what was attributed as non-comprehendable to human capacity or mystery has often been resolved through the use of science. As we vecome more advanced in science and thoughts alot of entities become demystified. Humans in their helplessness and in some cases laziness(Nigerian, mostly) are quick to mystify anything they dont understand rather that using researching or even 'googling' the topic.

I believe Nigerians should make better use of the internet, rather than focus on linda ieji's blog.

lol, u got me laffing wit the linda ikeji blog, you're very right, it seems what most nigerians seem to focus on more now is gossip and irrelevant stuffs.

I'm really enjoying this thread, it's insightful and eye opening, I wish nigerians could try to be more logical in their thoughts and actions,

bolaino: lol, u got me laffing wit the linda ikeji blog, you're very right, it seems what most nigerians seem to focus on more now is gossip and irrelevant stuffs.

I'm really enjoying this thread, it's insightful and eye opening, I wish nigerians could try to be more logical in their thoughts and actions,

The fact that you cannot explain something in no way makes that thing supernatural. There is usually an explanation even if that explanation isnt known.

First, you mentioned the egg in the bottle. You were shown that it was a basic scientific experiment for kids. The most common version has the egg hardboiled and peeled. There are other versions done with the egg shell still intact. Infact there is a thread on it on nairaland. I thought you might ask about that. The method is the same but a little more preparation is needed. To soften the eggshell, it must be soaked in vinegar for about 24 hours.

Next you brought up Criss Angel, seeming as it were, fully convinced that he was using supernatural powers and nobody could prove otherwise. That notion was also laid to rest.
Now you are on to crucifixes inside a bottle. Cant you see something and engage your mind in a solution other than the supernatural?
The first stage of knowledge is to realize how "unknowledgeable" you are. That goes for all of us. The more you know, the more you know that you know very little.

Youve been shown how to build a ship in a bottle, a venture that I daresay is more complicated than joining two sticks together.

Look mate, when you see something you dont understand, try and figure out how it was done. If it defies you, file it away under "unresolved". Dont be so quick to ascribe it to the supernatural. One day, you just might stumble upon the explanation.

Cheers.

bolaino: well, supernatural can be said to be something that is beyond natural, something that goes against physics, metaphysical or supernatural both hold same meaning,

The big bang, is just a theory and it's not a fact but if it really is true then it's not supernatural, like wise the power of the atom, I hope the higgs boson theory is proven to be accurate soonest though, cos it would shut the church folks up for good,

I agree wit u that the universe is massive and and infinitesimal, and that. Makes it seem more supernatural, there are things that science can not be able to explain, like I personally believe in Extraterrestrial existence, we can't be the only ones living on this gigantic universe,

I noticed the part you said the Universe's size makes it "seem" supernatural. Now you are clearer, but can be clearer. I wld assume what you meant by natural is physics, since we humans are not omniscient, we don't have the full grasp of physics, we are still learning everyday. Could we say supernatural means what's beyond all physics including knwledge we don't yet know? Note that it will be more difficult in pinpointing the Supernatural especially when we are not omniscient.

Something serious is happening here. I dont know if the illustrations bolaino ascribed as supernatural are true or not. He might truely have seen this things happening but the mistake he made here is that he is combing is ignorance into supernatures. Personally I saw a crucifix in a bottle and I questioned about it from my dad. He explained in details process this thing was made. If I had not known or got the idea, I will also be saying here that they are supernaturals. Also from what Ijawkid says about bullet proof juju, I will gladly says that I have witnessed something of such in 2009. I saw guys shooting themselves, testing their voodoo individually. Im not saying this is a gun fight or crisis. It happened among OPC guys. They did this openly in the centre of Ondo town. And also I got friends among them which was tested in my presence. Well as for me, I dont believe in this as supernatural. Only that I dont understand how it works with those guys. I have seen situation like man carrying 'magun', man eating bottle, man disappearing and knock down in fight charm. When arguing with my friends who have this things, Im always pressed down cause I dont know how to explain them. Lot of activities like Bullet proof juju, fireman, water in a basket, light weight object which cant be lift and lot more. These are very common on Ogun festive day in Ondo town. I dont know if the people doing those stuff are tricksters or magicians. But the problem I have is that I cant explain those stuff. And also on bullet proof stuff, I can assure most Atheist here that it works fine. It either your gun develop fault immediately, or it burst from the back and you get hit, or the bullet fly away missing the target, or it drop weak before the target. I got a old bro doing this stuff. And he have tested it on many occasion working fine. Though I have not seen him trying it with AK47. He use local guns and double barrel which was used to kill a goat in the process of testing the gun and other way wrong didn't work on him. I dont know if people here can explain this but I have witnessed and very sure it works.

FOLYKAZE: Something serious is happening here. I dont know if the illustrations bolaino ascribed as supernatural are true or not. He might truely have seen this things happening but the mistake he made here is that he is combing is ignorance into supernatures. Personally I saw a crucifix in a bottle and I questioned about it from my dad. He explained in details process this thing was made. If I had not known or got the idea, I will also be saying here that they are supernaturals. Also from what Ijawkid says about bullet proof juju, I will gladly says that I have witnessed something of such in 2009. I saw guys shooting themselves, testing their voodoo individually. Im not saying this is a gun fight or crisis. It happened among OPC guys. They did this openly in the centre of Ondo town. And also I got friends among them which was tested in my presence. Well as for me, I dont believe in this as supernatural. Only that I dont understand how it works with those guys. I have seen situation like man carrying 'magun', man eating bottle, man disappearing and knock down in fight charm. When arguing with my friends who have this things, Im always pressed down cause I dont know how to explain them. Lot of activities like Bullet proof juju, fireman, water in a basket, light weight object which cant be lift and lot more. These are very common on Ogun festive day in Ondo town. I dont know if the people doing those stuff are tricksters or magicians. But the problem I have is that I cant explain those stuff. And also on bullet proof stuff, I can assure most Atheist here that it works fine. It either your gun develop fault immediately, or it burst from the back and you get hit, or the bullet fly away missing the target, or it drop weak before the target. I got a old bro doing this stuff. And he have tested it on many occasion working fine. Though I have not seen him trying it with AK47. He use local guns and double barrel which was used to kill a goat in the process of testing the gun and other way wrong didn't work on him. I dont know if people here can explain this but I have witnessed and very sure it works.

I can tell you I saw an alien and it will all amount to nothing if this feat cannot be shown to the world. How come no one was able to video or document it?

Aluu boys could be recorded being beaten and burnt but a man magically dogding a bullet cannot be seen except from people telling us through word of mouth.

FOLYKAZE: I dont know if the people doing those stuff are tricksters or magicians. But the problem I have is that I cant explain those stuff.

There you have it.

Ive seen people eat bottles on tv. How about the French man who would eat bicycles, plates, cutlery. Heck he even ate a plane. Was that juju ? No. Look up Michel Lotito

There are people who can catch bullets with their teeth. Now if you dont know any better, you would say its jazz.

Look there is money to be won if you can prove this. One million dollars. We can all share it on this thread

Well, after all is said and done it still boils down to the concept of "seeing is believing" to u guys, (as should every rational human) superstition thrives on belief, and believing in it is you giving yourself to it,

But we are grateful to science, science has been able to explain to us in detail things that our ancestors never thought could be understood, and I hope that in the nearest future most of the things we thought were mysteries would be unraveled.

up bolaino and fola

bolaino: Well, after all is said and done it still boils down to the concept of "seeing is believing" to u guys, (as should every rational human) superstition thrives on belief, and believing in it is you giving yourself to it,

But we are grateful to science, science has been able to explain to us in detail things that our ancestors never thought could be understood, and I hope that in the nearest future most of the things we thought were mysteries would be unraveled.

Pls can you respond to my reply.

musKeeto: up bolaino and fola

lol, muskeeto u dey laff me shebi, lol