musKeeto: This is embarassing..

Reyginus is a Christian..



And what exactly are these experiences?


Superstitions thrive where there's mass ignorance. Even within Nigeria, most of these so called happenings are said to happen in the 'VILLAGES'.. Little wonder, most would direct you to go to their villages for 'proof'..

Less SCIENCE, more SUPERSTITION, dense IGNORANCE..







Science isn't beyond human comprehension, and its tales can mostly be replicated. Get educated. This is the Information Age. Stop using free internet to browse p0rn, facebook and free cheats.

and can u explain divine healing? Raising from the dead? The conviction and power that comes on you when the 'PURE' (NOTE THE EMPHASIS) word of God whom u deny is preached?

all things exist within their own confinement. magicians use supernatural means to do tricks, hindus use it for levitation, buddhists also practice such. but that doesnt mean a supernatural being will always be at advantage over physical beings

ezme:

I think the tag freethinker would be better as I have not ruled out totally the existence of a supreme being. I just don't trust the bible stories anymore.

toh. Oga, some things are non-negotiable, they're real and true whether u believe or not. Like the gospel we preach. Dont doubt oga. Please believe. The gospel is the POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE

Chibuebem: toh. Oga, some things are non-negotiable, they're real and true whether u believe or not. Like the gospel we preach. Dont doubt oga. Please believe. The gospel is the POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE

SALVATION from what? What have you been saved from exactly?

Kay 17:

I noticed the part you said the Universe's size makes it "seem" supernatural. Now you are clearer, but can be clearer. I wld assume what you meant by natural is physics, since we humans are not omniscient, we don't have the full grasp of physics, we are still learning everyday. Could we say supernatural means what's beyond all physics including knwledge we don't yet know? Note that it will be more difficult in pinpointing the Supernatural especially when we are not omniscient.

well not all things that are beyond physics, can be attributed to being metaphysical,

but simply put, I would say the supernatural could be a branch of science that has not been fully explored, hence it's said to be beyond the physical. and I hope that soonest in our academic institutions there would arise a need to create the "department of supernatural studies" where people like ijawkid can go and study sorcery and wizardry!!!

Chibuebem: and can u explain divine healing? Raising from the dead? The conviction and power that comes on you when the 'PURE' (NOTE THE EMPHASIS) word of God whom u deny is preached?

There's only healing.. nothing like divine healing... if there was divine healing, we could as well shut down all the hospitals...

Raising from the dead? No one has ever been raised from the dead...


Word of God? Lol.. The Koran, The Bible... the millions of other religious text that exist in this world?

GOD NEVER WROTE ANY WORD........

musKeeto:
And the audience that film, how many of those 'independent' videos have you seen... Check youtube.. It's all for entertainment..

There are things that can't be explained. I accept that. But one day, i'm quite sure they will.. well maybe not everything.. but science yields better fruits than superstition, so why let superstitions rope us in?

You're a freethinker, question everything, and test every answer. I told you about the egg in the bottle trick why not try it yourself?



And read my reply to emze. I'd like to believe there's more to life, my imagination runs wild at times.. But reality remains reality.

yeah. Thats it. Reality is settled in heaven. And God works even now.

@ MusKeetoo, arguing with Chibuebemis like talkking to a chair. . .He is a programmed robot. . .

mazaje1: @ MusKeetoo, arguing with Chibuebemis like talkking to a chair. . .He is a programmed robot. . .

Thanks for the heads up. I'd already sensed it...

You are empty.. no debate. Too shalow in spiritual affairs to earn any attention. "egg in a bottle"

bolaino: Well, after all is said and done it still boils down to the concept of "seeing is believing" to u guys, (as should every rational human) superstition thrives on belief, and believing in it is you giving yourself to it,

But we are grateful to science, science has been able to explain to us in detail things that our ancestors never thought could be understood, and I hope that in the nearest future most of the things we thought were mysteries would be unraveled.

Seeing means you "saw". It does not necessarily mean its real. Think about this.

Now think of a mirage. From far you see water but is it really water you see? Is there really water?
Seeing a mirage from far, you could swear that there was water even without investigation but would it be so?

Similarly, when you think you see something seemingly unnatural, you shouldnt be in such a hurry to call it supernatural.

So no, seeing is not believing.

I have seen inexplicable things as well but I do not call them supernatural.

Muskeeto, mazaje, purist, dare2think, and all my freethinking brethren, u guys have all given me convincing arguments to buttress your point that there are indeed no supernatural occurrences, u've disproved, my theories on cris angel, eGg in the bottle, crucifix in the bottle and most of my arguments. BUT. Let me give u d last remaining argument I have,

TB joshua, I'm not gullible or credulous, but the guy seems to possess some form of supernatural power, or am I wrong?

jayriginal:

Seeing means you "saw". It does not necessarily mean its real. Think about this.

Now think of a mirage. From far you see water but is it really water you see? Is there really water?
Seeing a mirage from far, you could swear that there was water even without investigation but would it be so?

Similarly, when you think you see something seemingly unnatural, you shouldnt be in such a hurry to call it supernatural.

So no, seeing is not believing.

I have seen inexplicable things as well but I do not call them supernatural.

what would you see to make u believe in the supernatural? Being a freethinker doesn't necessarily mean u have to disregard the possibility of supernatural occurrences.

bolaino: well, I understand your stance in aLl this, you live abroad, you stay among people who hold little or no superstitious belief(s) and to you superstition is absurd and unintelligent, I get,

But while a part of me yearns to agree entirely with what you're saying, the other part of me that has witnessed bizarre supernatural occurrences chose to disagree, I have seen things I can not put down in words, I have seen people make predictions that come to pass, I have seen over five crusifixes in a glass bottle, (how the hell they got inside, I have no friggin idea) and lots of other crazy stuff,

Was I hallucinating when I saw these things, I was'nt, (cos I don't do drugs or take alcohol) I have done spiritual exercises like astral projection, where I saw things that were very real, although it seemed asif I was in a lucid state, but I saw things,

I'm no religionist, and I'm open to sound and logical reasoning, I don't believe in the vengeful, blood thirsty evil spirit/god of the jews, but I believe that there are malevolent forces that chose to put people in misery, I did not arrive at these conclusions from heresay, I witnessed many metaphysical happenings, and even as the freethinker in me yearns to believe that the shadows in the dark are not worth chasing, the ISOKO man in me tells me to be cautious of my people in the village.

Here is the thing. . .The GREATEST magicians on earth that to magnificent and incredible magical feats like Darren Brown, David Copperfiled, Jame Randi are all atheist, Chris Angle is the only one among them that is a theist, all of them including Chris Angle have said that no body has any supernatural power, James Randi has dropped 1 million dollars to any body that can demonstrate his supernatural powers, many people have come forward and all have been exposed. . .The tricks they used have been exposed. . .As for the bullet prove juju stuff it is simply a LIE. . .If you are shot at and the bullet hits you it must penetrate, no body can chest a bullet. . .Most of the OPC people you see around demonstrating their pullet proof juju mostly use blanks, the gun will fire and make the normal sound, but most use blkank bullets to beguile the public. . .When it comes to crisis, most of the people use locally made guns that have no precision at all. . .The bullets are mostly small round balls of iron that people always survive...They are not so fatal. . .I dare any one in the world to come forward and chest my AK47 bullet and win 10,000 euros. . .After which I will convert to what ever religion the person belongs to and he also has chance to shot me back as a punishment for my unbelief. . .I am NOT kidding. . .

I will post some video of James Randi here for you to see, even the white people are superstitious, biut one thing with them is they always come forward to put their alleged "powers" to test and all of them that have come forward have failed. . .

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bolaino: Muskeeto, mazaje, purist, dare2think, and all my freethinking brethren, u guys have all given me convincing arguments to buttress your point that there are indeed no supernatural occurrences, u've disproved, my theories on cris angel, eGg in the bottle, crucifix in the bottle and most of my arguments. BUT. Let me give u d last remaining argument I have,

TB joshua, I'm not gullible or credulous, but the guy seems to possess some form of supernatural power, or am I wrong?

Go to youtube... search for sai baba.. then search for sai baba tricks exposed...

Religion's a scam.. a really big one..

5columnist: You are empty.. no debate. Too shalow in spiritual affairs to earn any attention. "egg in a bottle"

mr know it all, what if I told u the eggs I saw in the. Glass bottle were not hard boiled eggs but raw eggs, and they were broken after sometime to prove that they were raw eggs?

bolaino: what would you see to make u believe in the supernatural? Being a freethinker doesn't necessarily mean u have to disregard the possibility of supernatural occurrences.

I dont know to be honest but whatever it is would probably also be enough to put me in a mental institution.

jayriginal:

I dont know to be honest but whatever it is would probably also be enough to put me in a mental institution.

Lol....

bolaino: mr know it all, what if I told u the eggs I saw in the. Glass bottle were not hard boiled eggs but raw eggs, and they were broken after sometime to prove that they were raw eggs?

I already told you before. The method is the same as the one Muskeeto posted with the difference that the eggs are soaked in vinegar to soften them.

bolaino: yeah talking about magic, there's an american magician by the name of criss angel, he walks on water and he levitates, and believe u me, it's no trick, u need to watch it for urself and believe, so what do u have to say about something like that?

Criss Angel does not claim to have supernatural powers.
Based on that claim we can safely assume he is some sort of a magician or an illusionist. A very good one for that matter. This guy would have been worshiped like a god if he was in naija.

"Interestingly, Criss Angel does not claim to have supernatural powers. He even went as far as saying that he doesn't know anyone who can demonstrate to have supernatural powers. Criss Angel even offered a cool one million greenbacks from his own pocket to anyone who can prove that they have supernatural powers. This he did on national TV."

http://kudlit.hubpages.com/hub/Criss-Angel-Magic-Tricks-Revealed

I will keep emphasizing that juju plays on people's irrational fears. Juju has never been scientifically proven... to the best of my knowledge. Juju is always hearsay. Juju is ancient bullshit.

IN SHORT MAKE I OFFER MY OWN 1 MILLION NAIRA MAKE PERSON WITH 1 MILLION NAIRA MAKE THIS KIND BET.

jayriginal:

I dont know to be honest but whatever it is would probably also be enough to put me in a mental institution.

so are you trying to say there is no higher power than that which we can see?

Orikinla: There are supernatural realities.
Whether atheists and scientists believe or not should not bother you.
Faith is not by force.

My mother and my father of blessed memory saw mermaids, but I am yet to see one. And they never lied to me.
A German blonde came into my life in 1992 after I drew myself welcoming a white blonde with open arms. And we understood each other perfectly.

I was psychic and I had to go for deliverance in 1998 to stop it, because it was scary to be seeing things before they happen.

I asked God to send me divine helpers and He has sent me total strangers I have never known or met before and they do favour me abundantly. And the most important thing is they are helping me to create jobs for jobless Nigerians, including the jobless atheists on Nairaland.

Within four years I have started things from the ideas God gave me and these things have become bigger and larger than anything anyone has ever done in the Nigerian film industry and one of them is in fact going to be bigger and larger than Silverbird Cinemas.
God dropped another idea and it is already flying internationally.
So, who is talking?

My grandma also told me she saw people fly.

That woman would never lie to me. God has also given me ideas that would surpass bill gate's

I am talking. So lets see who God like pass

Dux-01:
so are you trying to say there is no higher power than that which we can see?

I dont know enough to make that claim

Orikinla: There are supernatural realities.
Whether atheists and scientists believe or not should not bother you.
Faith is not by force.

My mother and my father of blessed memory saw mermaids, but I am yet to see one. And they never lied to me.
A German blonde came into my life in 1992 after I drew myself welcoming a white blonde with open arms. And we understood each other perfectly.

I was psychic and I had to go for deliverance in 1998 to stop it, because it was scary to be seeing things before they happen.

I asked God to send me divine helpers and He has sent me total strangers I have never known or met before and they do favour me abundantly. And the most important thing is they are helping me to create jobs for jobless Nigerians, including the jobless atheists on Nairaland.

Within four years I have started things from the ideas God gave me and these things have become bigger and larger than anything anyone has ever done in the Nigerian film industry and one of them is in fact going to be bigger and larger than Silverbird Cinemas.
God dropped another idea and it is already flying internationally.
So, who is talking?

The fact you take time out to brag about this in every thread makes me wonder if you really have anything to offer. Great minds don't get petty. Chill bros, you don't have to blow your trumpet, let your impact speak for you

A lot of things that science cannot give any explanation let alone a good explanation.
That something supernatural has not happened to you does not mean that it does not occur.
At my level as an engineer, I have witnessed it. Well, it is not about talking.
Go to Enugu-ezike, in Igbo eze L G A of Enugu state and look for amrried lady sleep with her.
What happens to the lady, come to nairaland and explain to us scientifically.
Here I rest my case.
Again, a woman that I know very well had issues of adultery with her husband and they separated. About 20years later, the man died and the wife went for condolence since the man did not marry another wife. As soon as the woman stepped her feet on the man compound, she became blind and all the specialist in eyecare she visited could not explain what her case was let alone treating her.
The woman died blind after some years.
Science cannot explain a lot of things at all.

bolaino: what would you see to make u believe in the supernatural? Being a freethinker doesn't necessarily mean u have to disregard the possibility of supernatural occurrences.

Here are some video's from James Randi. Exposing the trick many people who claim to have supernatural abilities use. . .Here is a video of James Randi exposing the tricks used by psychic surgeons. . . .



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u14JFjF9jBg

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