shdemidemi:
WRONG...God made me in his image and likeness. The day Adam fell, I lost the likeness but retained the image. The only thing that can make me have that sort of reasoning is through the word of God.
Yes He is the all knowing God. What separates Christ from God was him coming down to earth to die. Like I said earlier, God was with us in human flesh without the sin nature.

Wrong!!!!!!!! Again........

What seperates Christ from God is that God is greater than CHRist........



And again you're making a mockery of this God was in human flesh issue........

shdemidemi:

e.g Peter saw all the wonderful works done by Christ, Peter was gobsmacked when he saw what Christ was going through when they came to get. He cut someones ears and Christ fixed it immediately. Did the power to free himself leave him? of course not, cos He has all the powers in heaven and on earth. Christ came for a reason and everything happened by providence.

Could you remember what Jesus told peter??.......remember him telling peter that if he wanted to he could call on the Father to send angels to come raze those soldiers up??.......

Jesus never told peter that he didn't have the power to free himself........

But Jesus boldy told his listeners that he DID NOT KNOW when the end would come........straight to the point.....

What perfect way to tell trinitarians that he isn't the all-knowing GOD......

Like the scripture I quoted there Jesus learns from the Father....the Father teaches him......until God reveals a secret to Jesus ,Jesus remains ignorant of it.......

Gbam!!!!!!....

see Jesus' reply to the apostles after his ressurection after power had been given to him .....

Acts 1:7

New Living Translation (©2007)
He replied, "The Father alone has
the authority to set those dates
and times, and they are not for
you to know.


Jesus again telling us there are certain things that are kept privy to the Father alone.........

Until Jesus is fed with information which he never had before he remains ignorant about it......

John 5:19

New Living Translation (©2007)
So Jesus explained, "I tell you the
truth, the Son can do nothing by
himself. He does only what he sees
the Father doing. Whatever the
Father does, the Son also does.


How can this humble Son of GOD be equal to the person he is learning from and imitating??....

frosbel: Before I help analyse this scripture , Jesus is mentioned here as the firstborn of all creation , can you tell me when he became the firstborn of all creation , because for him to be firstborn of all creation , he must have had a beginning.

Colossians 1:14-16

King James Version (KJV)

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:


By him, what happened?

ijawkid:
Wrong!!!!!!!! Again........

What seperates Christ from God is that God is greater than CHRist........
And again you're making a mockery of this God was in human flesh issue........
Could you remember what Jesus told peter??.......remember him telling peter that if he wanted to he could call on the Father to send angels to come raze those soldiers up??.......
Jesus never told peter that he didn't have the power to free himself........
But Jesus boldy told his listeners that he DID NOT KNOW when the end would come........straight to the point.....
What perfect way to tell trinitarians that he isn't the all-knowing GOD......
Like the scripture I quoted there Jesus learns from the Father....the Father teaches him......until God reveals a secret to Jesus ,Jesus remains ignorant of it.......
Gbam!!!!!!....
see Jesus' reply to the apostles after his ressurection after power had been given to him .....
Acts 1:7
New Living Translation (©2007)
He replied, "The Father alone has
the authority to set those dates
and times, and they are not for
you to know.
Jesus again telling us there are certain things that are kept privy to the Father alone.........
Until Jesus is fed with information which he never had before he remains ignorant about it......

You are talking rubbish--Do you even understand the selfish question Peter asked? Peter was concerned about the kingdom of Israel but Christ was talking about the rest of the world. The answer Jesus gave was also due to the irrelevance of the question.

shdemidemi:

Colossians 1:14-16

King James Version (KJV)

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:


By him, what happened?

You have not answered my question, when did Jesus become the firstborn of all creation and what does firstborn mean from your perspective ?

ijawkid: John 5:19

New Living Translation (©2007)
So Jesus explained, "I tell you the
truth, the Son can do nothing by
himself. He does only what he sees
the Father doing. Whatever the
Father does, the Son also does.
How can this humble Son of GOD be equal to the person he is learning from and imitating??....

You take everything Christ say so literally without thinking deep about the full picture He is painting. He brought the familiarity between himself and God so close that He fulfilled his mission on earth by that. If Christ did not humble himself, you and I would be most miserable today.

frosbel:


You have not answered my question, when did Jesus become the firstborn of all creation and what does firstborn mean from your perspective ?

He had been the firstborn before the earth and the heavens...

shdemidemi:
You are talking rubbish--Do you even understand the selfish question Peter asked? Peter was concerned about the kingdom of Israel but Christ was talking about the rest of the world. The answer Jesus gave was also due to the irrelevance of the question.

But didn't you see how Christ showed them all that The Father is the one with the ultimate knowledge of everything??.......

Please read revelation 1:1 and see why Christ could boldly say he didn't know when the end would come........

shdemidemi:

You take everything Christ say so literally without thinking deep about the full picture He is painting. He brought the familiarity between himself and God so close that He fulfilled his mission on earth by that. If Christ did not humble himself, you and I would be most miserable today.

Ona dey see the nonsense wey this man dey write??..........

Did Christ know when the end would come or did he LIE when he said he didn't know but only the Father??..........

Why can't you guys believe Christ??...........

Why.........

Like I said the one GOD I know is the Father and it is obvious that he is.........

ijawkid:

Ona dey see the nonsense wey this man dey write??..........

Did Christ know when the end would come or did he LIE when he said he didn't know but only the Father??..........

Why can't you guys believe Christ??...........

Why.........

Like I said the one GOD I know is the Father and it is obvious that he is.........

Where did he say He does not know when the end will come, are u ok?

shdemidemi:
Where did he say He does not know when the end will come, are u ok?

Have you been on alomo bitters lately??.........

New International Version
(©2011)
"But about that day or hour no one
knows, not even the angels in
heaven, nor the Son, but only the
Father.

New Living Translation (©2007)
"However, no one knows the day or
hour when these things will happen,
not even the angels in heaven or
the Son himself. Only the Father
knows.


1...Angels don't know??....
2...Jesus himself doesn't know(gbam!!)??.....
3...Ofcourse no human knows......
4...ONLY the FAther

Please twist this truth......

ijawkid:

Have you been on alomo bitters lately??.........

New International Version
(©2011)
"But about that day or hour no one
knows, not even the angels in
heaven, nor the Son, but only the
Father.

New Living Translation (©2007)
"However, no one knows the day or
hour when these things will happen,
not even the angels in heaven or
the Son himself. Only the Father
knows.


1...Angels don't know??....
2...Jesus himself doesn't know(gbam!!)??.....
3...Ofcourse no human knows......
4...ONLY the FAther

Please twist this truth......

So who is the father in that context?

1 John 5:7-8

King James Version (KJV)

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

shdemidemi:

He had been the firstborn before the earth and the heavens...

Does he have a beginning and again I ask you what does firstborn mean ?

Matthew 14:33 Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, “Truly You are the Son of God.” Why? Because the Son of God is God who can receive worship, He is God in the flesh.

Jesus said, “that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him” (John 5:23) We this example all through the Scripture.

Matthew 15:25: “Then she worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.”

“When Jesus walked on the water and made the wind and waves cease, they worshipped Him, saying, truly thou art the Son of God.” (Matthew 14:33). Notice the equating of being the Son of God elicits their worship

frosbel:

Does he have a beginning and again I ask you what does firstborn mean ?

He is the beginning, He made everything.

It makes scriptural perfect sense if Jesus is God the Son and not a spirit son in heaven and that is to say the catholics were right all along

Bidam: It makes scriptural perfect sense if Jesus is God the Son and not a spirit son in heaven and that is to say the catholics were right all along

catholics were right!..nooo. scriptures was right.

shdemidemi:

He is the beginning, He made everything.

Does he have a beginning ?

Again , what does firstborn mean ?

Bidam: Matthew 14:33 Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, “Truly You are the Son of God.” Why? Because the Son of God is God who can receive worship, He is God in the flesh.

Jesus said, “that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him” (John 5:23) We this example all through the Scripture.

Matthew 15:25: “Then she worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.”

“When Jesus walked on the water and made the wind and waves cease, they worshipped Him, saying, truly thou art the Son of God.” (Matthew 14:33). Notice the equating of being the Son of God elicits their worship

See matthew 14:33...

GOD'S WORD® Translation
(©1995)
The men in the boat bowed down in
front of Jesus and said, "You are
truly the Son of God."


Douay-Rheims Bible
And they that were in the boat
came and adored him, saying:
Indeed thou art the Son of God.

Darby Bible Translation
But those in the ship came and did
homage to him, saying, Truly thou
art God's Son.



Matthew 15:25..

New International Version
(©2011)
The woman came and knelt before
him. "Lord, help me!" she said.


New American Standard Bible
(©1995)
But she came and began to bow
down before Him, saying, "Lord,
help me!"


Darby Bible Translation
But she came and did him homage,
saying, Lord, help me.


___________________________

Has there been anytime when representatives of God weren't honoured??......

If you do not honor Gods messengers,servants,prophets,kings have you not dis-honored GOD in return??....

And from the scriptures you quoted the people confirmed he was Gods son and not God himself....

...

frosbel:

Does he have a beginning ?

Again , what does firstborn mean ?

All these your silly question, I hope you come up with something meaningful at the end.

The first born is the one that has been before any other thing, He is the beginning. He created time, He can't b bound by time.

shdemidemi:

All these your silly question, I hope you come up with something meaningful at the end.

The first born is the one that has been before any other thing

So Jesus Christ had no beginning in the actual sense of the word ?

shdemidemi:

So who is the father in that context?

1 John 5:7-8

King James Version (KJV)

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

The Father is ofcourse the Father of Jesus and of all of us..........

And what does 1 john 5:7 have for us??......

Does it tell us Jesus knows the day and hour??........

And may I remind you....we are also one with Jesus and the Father.........

Figure that out...

ijawkid:

See matthew 14:33...

GOD'S WORD® Translation
(©1995)
The men in the boat bowed down in
front of Jesus and said, "You are
truly the Son of God."


Douay-Rheims Bible
And they that were in the boat
came and adored him, saying:
Indeed thou art the Son of God.

Darby Bible Translation
But those in the ship came and did
homage to him, saying, Truly thou
art God's Son.



Matthew 15:25..

New International Version
(©2011)
The woman came and knelt before
him. "Lord, help me!" she said.


New American Standard Bible
(©1995)
But she came and began to bow
down before Him, saying, "Lord,
help me!"


Darby Bible Translation
But she came and did him homage,
saying, Lord, help me.


___________________________

Has there been anytime when representatives of God weren't honoured??......

If you do not honor Gods messengers,servants,prophets,kings have you not dis-honored GOD in return??....

And from the scriptures you quoted the people confirmed he was Gods son and not God himself....

...

You always hide using this con artist syndrome..show me scriptural evidences were the representatives of God were worshiped using the greek text meaning as they did Jesus.

Bidam: You always hide using this con artist syndrome..show me scriptural evidences were the representatives of God were worshiped using the greek text meaning as they did Jesus.

Representatives of God were honored.....if you don't honor them then you have in effect dis-honored GOD......

Have you not heard touch not my annointed and do my prophets no harm??........you harm,dishonor,berate them and then you are doing exactly that to God the Father who sent them.....

And all kings of isreal were bowed down to and paid homage to......

ijawkid:

The Father is ofcourse the Father of Jesus and of all of us..........

And what does 1 john 5:7 have for us??......

Does it tell us Jesus knows the day and hour??........

And may I remind you....we are also one with Jesus and the Father.........

Figure that out...

shut up, your ignorance knows no bounds. Address what the verse says and stop asking silly questions.

shdemidemi:

shut up, your ignorance knows no bounds. Address what the verse says and stop asking silly questions.

Before you start abusing, I am still waiting for answer to my question above.

frosbel:

Before you start abusing, I am still waiting for answer to my question above.

what question? I answered your question about the first born, go on and deal with what I gave u before you deviated

frosbel:

So Jesus Christ had no beginning in the actual sense of the word ?

He is outside time, stop twisting your question.

shdemidemi:

He is outside time, stop twisting your question.

when the English man uses the word 'firstborn' what does he mean ?

frosbel:

when the English man uses the word 'firstborn' what does he mean ?

english man in heaven or where?

shdemidemi:

shut up, your ignorance knows no bounds. Address what the verse says and stop asking silly questions.

The verse isn't related to the discussion......

I asked if Jesus knows the day and hour and you quote this verse...what do we do with it??.......

Please help me search for it...I can't see it.....

ijawkid:

The verse isn't related to the discussion......

I asked if Jesus knows the day and hour and you quote this verse...what do we do with it??.......

Please help me search for it...I can't see it.....

The verse tells you God, Christ, Holy Spirit are one. So, If God stands as a man and says no one knows only God knows, He is still referring to His invisible self.