ijawkid:

Representatives of God were honored.....if you don't honor them then you have in effect dis-honored GOD......

Have you not heard touch not my annointed and do my prophets no harm??........you harm,dishonor,berate them and then you are doing exactly that to God the Father who sent them.....

And all kings of isreal were bowed down to and paid homage to......

Bidam: You are still not getting it are you? i said W.O.R.S.H.I.P as explained in all of the bible passages concerning J.E.S.U.S

ijawkid:

YES...........bowing down,prostrating as before a king,paying homage.......

No Jew who(except the ones who were drunkards) would literally be worshipping Jesus thinking he is GOD.....

For goodness sake these are Jews who knew Yahweh there God is one Yahweh......

Those persons who met Jesus simply paid homage and showed respect to him knowing he is the messiah........

shdemidemi:

english man in heaven or where?

shdemidemi:

This guy does not know what he is talking about, what is the meaning of Yahweh?

frosbel:

Was it an Arab man who translated the English bible , or perhaps someone from heaven invented the word firstborn.

What does firstborn mean again ?

shdemidemi:
The last time I checked, they translated to the closest in meaning to what was originally written on the manuscript. Therefore, first born in the literal english word might not be firstborn as written in Hebrew. If you got something to say, say it, you remember my question for you is still waiting.

YES...........bowing down,prostrating as before a king,paying homage.

No Jew who(except the ones who were drunkards) would literally be worshipping Jesus thinking he is GOD

For goodness sake these are Jews who knew Yahweh there God is one Yahweh......

Those persons who met Jesus simply paid homage and showed respect to him knowing he is the messiah...

frosbel: ^^^

Okay , let me enlighten your ignorance.

The original greek Paul used was πρωτότοκος and this means :

Definition
first-born

But the Word Origin is from prótos and tokos (childbirth, offspring); from tiktó
So firstborn has to do with childbirth or offspring.
I ask you another question, did Jesus have a beginning in the light of this new information ?

shdemidemi:

You are a jokester..go on, put it on the table. When was Jesus created?

frosbel:

You have now been stumped and have nothing else to put on the table.

But before I continue, let me give you the benefit of doubt, do you now understand what firstborn means and it's application to Jesus Christ ?

shdemidemi:

You make me laugh , I won't bother checking the words with you right now. Say what you wanna say, I can't wait to learn.

frosbel:

That's why it is better to learn than pretend to know.

shdemidemi:
lol...teach it, when was Christ born?

frosbel:

"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. 24Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took to him his wife: 25And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. " - Matthew 1:23-25

shdemidemi:

Don't let me curse you, what is wrong with you? So, the journey of Christ started from the womb of Mary?

frosbel:

Your curses will not work on ME.

Where did the journey of Christ begin ? Let Isaiah help you ?


"For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. And he will be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" = Isaiah 9:6

shdemidemi:
I give up on you jo, I thought you knew a bit about scriptures but you have lost every regard this your I.d get for my eyes. I am speechless mehn. I am outta here.

ijawkid:

What!!!!.....

Oboy abeg na for where them give early christians option to recieve Jesus as there God or ceaser
.....

Which day lying turn to your profession....??......
....

And I would ask you......

Do you know how the Jews worshipped Yahweh??...

Let us really know how worship to God is different from just merely bowing down before men of honor.......

When Jesus was on earth did any Jew make sacrifices in front of him??.......did any high priest come in front of Jesus to make atonement sacrifices??.......

Did any body come to Jesus and prayed to him like they were praying to Yahweh??.....

How can you just go to any verse and see worship and yap that it is some literal worship........

Words like prostrate,bow down,pay homage,kneel down all stem from the greek word proskneo......

See proskneo used in this verse ....this was the parable Jesus gave about forgiveness...



Matthew 18:26.....

King James Bible (Cambridge
Ed.)
The servant therefore fell down,
and worshipped him, saying, Lord,
have patience with me, and I will
pay thee all.



Holman Christian Standard Bible
(©2009)
"At this, the slave fell facedown
before him and said, Be patient
with me, and I will pay you
everything!'


Aramaic Bible in Plain English
(©2010)
And falling down, that servant
worshiped him, and he said, “My
Lord, be patient with me, and I
shall pay you everything.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation
(©1995)
Then the servant fell at his
master's feet and said, 'Be
patient with me, and I will repay
everything!'


_____________________________


Please is this master the God of the slave in this parable.....

This is proskneo in action in this scripture.......

What do you have to say mr worship.......

Bidam: You dubiously did not explain the genesis 24 i quoted about worship and others..anywaz who cares about a parable in here when you guys dubiously say Jesus was actually telling a parable about lazarus and the rich man..that's by the way as you know already parables are not actual occurrences just sayings that conveys spiritual meanings..so abeg try another one..this argument is weak.

ijawkid:

Lol........

Isn't proskneo what you want to eat this night??......I just provided a verse....I just want u to realize that I know when to literally use that word as worship when its in linked to Yahweh...because that is the one GOD I worship.......

See one of the scriptures u quoted....

Genesis 22:5

New Living Translation (©2007)
"Stay here with the donkey,"
Abraham told the servants. "The
boy and I will travel a little
farther. We will worship there,
and then we will come right back."


Please who was abraham going to worship??.......

The one invisible GOD the Father who no one hath seen or some physical fleshly man??......

Now you can understand what I mean by worship when its linked to Yahweh.......

Bidam: Taa!!! commot for road make peson hear word jare If Jesus is not God, then he would not accept worship nor would the Bible allow this to be insinuated. If he is not God neither can He be our Savior.

If He is God, then He surely is Lord (in Greek) which is equal to the Old Testament Hebrew of the name Yahweh and deserves our worship just as it is written.

Bidam: Taa!!! commot for road make peson hear word jare If Jesus is not God, then he would not accept worship nor would the Bible allow this to be insinuated. If he is not God neither can He be our Savior.

If He is God, then He surely is Lord (in Greek) which is equal to the Old Testament Hebrew of the name Yahweh and deserves our worship just as it is written.

frosbel:


Who asked his angels to bow before Jesus and who exalted Jesus ?

one question : Can God exalt GOD ?

Bidam: Ps. 138:2: “For You have magnified Your word above all Your name.” one queshion also..does the name yahweh heal the sick and raise the dead?

ijawkid:
Do you see how you mix up everything and then ended up confusing yourself........

How does one who is called Lord equals to the old testament hebrew name Yahweh??.

How do you intend to twist the scriptures to support this mad doctrine called the trinity........

And please tell me where Jesus gave invitation to people to come worship him that he is God............

No right thinking Jew(except a drunk one) would give worship meant for Yahweh to another person........all Jews knew no one has seen the Father and so they know there God.......they even saw Jesus worship this invisible God......

You sef ehh.......

If Jesus was Yahweh he need not worship another Yahweh......

You are d most confused trinitarian I've seen......

frosbel:

lol.

You are now becoming a trickster , answer my question again.

shdemidemi:
I give up on you jo, I thought you knew a bit about scriptures but you have lost every regard this your I.d get for my eyes. I am speechless mehn. I am outta here.

nlMediator:

Ain't seen nothing yet! I warned you guys. You're dealing with a very evil force. Imagine someone that calls himself a christian claiming that Jesus did not exist until He was born by Mary? I mean, what can be moreoutrageous? Some people that do not accept Jesus as God but see Him only as the Son of God still acknowledge that He existed before 2000 years ago; that He created all things, including those that have been in existence for longer than 2 millenia. It's almost a complete waste of time discussing with some of these guys.

frosbel:

You are a MAN , stop being ruled by sentiments and emotion, study scriptures that can make you wise to the truth.

I am not claiming infallibility , what I want is proof, so far all you have done is accuse, warn, ridicule and even mock, these are not traits of a berean.

If Jesus is firstborn :

1. He was born as a MAN
2. He had a father who is GOD
3. He had a mother who is Mary


What you are forcing on people to accept is actually a pagan concept called incarnation where a spirit being manifests in the flesh by entering that body and taking control of it's faculties, sensory organs etc.

Reason Pal.