Bidam: so why where you not correcting ijawkid when he mentioned Jesus as a spirit entity created by God separate from the angels?

frosbel:

He knows my position.

Bidam: how..your ogogoro dey confuse you abi?

Bidam:
.... oh i can see where your madness about Jesus equal yahweh emanates from cos you can not explain john 1:1

Bidam:

who dey twist..abeg go sleep joor..dey ogogoro is taking its toll on you.
Also tell me where your yahweh gave that invitation

Bidam:

repetition i don answer this queshion already go chew on what i said.
you ma sef.

Bidam:


He came in the likeness of men as a lamb what do you expect from Him? to declare publicly that He is God? remember God ways no be our ways o...

Bidam:

and you are the most unbalanced,confused and shifting JW fellow i ever met as regard the OP.

ijawkid:
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John 1:1 is as easy as abc.....it tells me there are 2 people.......one(Jesus) was with the other(the Father)

Omen .............Yahweh wey don tell him people tire say na him be the only God and that they must worship only him.......ya eye pepper zrob am??.........Yahweh always reminds the isrealites that he is there GOD.......

But Jesus mouth we no ever hear that kin thing.......Jesus even come join worship the Yahweh well well..........

Taaaa..........no isrealite would walk up to a man and worship him thinking he is the invisible GOD(Yahweh).......

Abi e tay wey them read exodus......??lol....the isrealites weren't trinitarians........they were not like you that loves the pagan trinity...

But we still see this LAMB in heaven calling the same Yahweh MY GOD ,meaning he wasn't the same as Yahweh.......and point of correction.....Jesus never came to the earth to declare he is GOD....he came to declare the Father and that he is the son of GOD and the annointed one of GOD......

You too lie!!!!!!!...........

Gods ways have been explained to us....only persons who have chosen to be stubborn struggle to see it.....

I straight forward die.........

I know whom I worship...but you are confused as HELL......

I know Yahweh as the one God...and I know Jesus whom he sent......

So I know who is the messiah and I know his God who sent him.......

But you....confusion has overtaken you.....

Bidam: So are you telling us the Christ in heaven is 100% Man?

frosbel:

Jesus Christ is 100% MAN, Yes. However he is also the Son of GOD which means he has royal divine blood in him.

He has been glorified , exalted , and now sits on the right hand of his father who is in heaven , waiting until his enemies be made his footstool.

Jesus is the Lord of Lords, King of Kings and ruler over the kings of the earth.

He attained to this very high level of exaltation , because he pleased the father always , every time, he did exactly what the Father wanted him to do , even to the point of laying down his life for the creatures that GOD so loves ( me and you ).

The sooner, we realise that Yahweh, the ancient of days, the only true GOD , the ruler of heaven and earth, the one who has no beginning or ending , is the ONE and ONLY GOD , the better for us and for the world , who at the moment find our creeds ( not the bible) , incoherent, inconsistent, incomprehensible and in many cases unintelligible.

Bidam: you don't want us to catch you in your heresies..pls use scriptures to explain what you just wrote above..which one con be royal divine blood again? are there beings like humans that were existing long before Adam was created? so many contradictions here.

Bidam: So now agree the word was Jesus and this same Jesus was God from the beginning of creation?

Bidam:
You think say Jesus na like satan wey get pride abi?
. put your thinking cap and reason the scriptures..men who hardly knew Jesus from the east came to worship him at birth..this worship was never obeisance like i said earlier.

Bidam:

You your sef said the lamb(God the Son) acknowledging (God the father).abi why do you think the bible call it the Lamb's book of life aka God's book of life ?
na you too lie .

Bidam:

You just so confused and afraid that you are hell bent on holding to the status quo of your cult..i pity your life..Go and reason the bible for once.

shdemidemi:

You take everything Christ say so literally without thinking deep about the full picture He is painting. He brought the familiarity between himself and God so close that He fulfilled his mission on earth by that. If Christ did not humble himself, you and I would be most miserable today.

shdemidemi:

You take everything Christ say so literally without thinking deep about the full picture He is painting.

shdemidemi:

You take everything Christ say so literally

frosbel:

Let me come down to a basic level before we go further.

If Jesus is the firstborn of all creation, when did this firstborn event happen that made him firstborn ?.

ijawkid:
problem with the title GOD again?.......the one GOD I know is the Father....and it is obvious Jesus isn't the Father....and from 1 corinthians 8:6 I'm not worried if Jesus is called GOD.......

Jesus was more of a humble servant of God than satan.

Satan refused to obey his creator,but Jesus did obey his creator,Father and GOD.....

That's why I imitate Jesus' example....

Those men who you think came to worship Jesus when he was born,did they tell you that it was GOD who was born??........they knew a king had been born....I hope you know how kings are adored??.........

This is like asking why davids throne or solomons throne is also the throne of GOD...........

You see ya life??.......

Your the confused belligerent idol worshipper here.....

I worship one GOD the Father,you worship a confused trinity....

truthislight:



^^^

HYPOCRITE you!

You take the parable of the rich man and lazarus "so literal" even though it was a parable.

was it not said by Jesus as a parable ? Why did you take it as literal though a parable ?

and you dare accused someone of taking what Jesus said "so literal".

Since it is time for you to lie a bare face lie and twist the word of Jesus not knowing the time of the end you started lying that it was not literal, was it then a parable ?

An't you a disgrace to the name christianity for this lies ?

Bidam: quote that verse of scripture then we take it from there.That's what a good bible teacher should do.

ijawkid:
problem with the title GOD again?.......the one GOD I know is the Father....and it is obvious Jesus isn't the Father....and from 1 corinthians 8:6 I'm not worried if Jesus is called GOD.......

ijawkid:
Jesus was more of a humble servant of God than satan......
Satan refused to obey his creator,but Jesus did obey his creator,Father and GOD.....
That's why I imitate Jesus' example....

ijawkid:
Those men who you think came to worship Jesus when he was born,did they tell you that it was GOD who was born??........they knew a king had been born....I hope you know how kings are adored??.........I worship one GOD the Father,you worship a confused trinity

Bidam: God the father, title,God the Son, title, God the Holy Ghost, title.hehehehe, Hallelujah to Jesus for this confusions of yours.

Bidam:
. i now know your jesus to be an angel, why you been dey hide am before.lol

Bidam:
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ok o i don here servant of an angel.

Bidam:

There is only one King and supreme Master of the whole universe. God doesn't share such kinds of title with mere mortals..remember Nebuchadnezzar story?

Bidam:

My problem with you is that you don't reason at all..Did david ever say before abraham was I AM?

Bidam:

I actually don't know what you worship..may be lucifer who also is a god in his own right..titles my foot..SMH!!!

frosbel:

"The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation." - Colossians 1:15

Bidam: why did you not quote from 15 -20 so we can actually get the full context of what Paul was saying? this scripture actually shows the supremacy of Christ nothing more nothing less.

ijawkid:
GOD the satan too.......

Read 1 corinthians 8:6......

We have just on GOD the Father....The Father and God of Jesus........I forgot the Father has a name too....YAHWEH......how sweet...




Lol......he is the humble firstborn son of GOD.....isn't that enough??




Lol....I am a servant of Gods son....Jesus Christ...

Lol......
........All kings were adored......you dare not go to a kings and not bow down......you dare not.....

Those men did not hear mary gave birth to God almighty......

Even mary and Joseph didn't worship baby Jesus...put your thinking caps on......


Even a man Jesus cured identified himself as "I AM".......

I only gave you a parallel so that you can think........

Why do you think the throne of david is at the same time called Gods throne??....that answers your book of life problem.......



I worship Yahweh alone,while you worship 3 Gods.....confused baba.....

Bidam: am sick of changing banters with you..let me leave you with your folly and argue with reasonable people.after all frosbel never said Jesus was a spirit son(angel) like you..except that he erred in to thinking Jesus was 100% man which is partly correct.enjoy your servanthoodship..lol

frosbel:

Surely you are not this dishonest

We are talking about firstborn here ,let me repeat my question :

If Jesus is the firstborn of all creation, when did this firstborn event happen that made him firstborn ?.

frosbel:

Surely you are not this dishonest

We are talking about firstborn here ,let me repeat my question :

If Jesus is the firstborn of all creation, when did this firstborn event happen that made him firstborn ?.

shdemidemi:

Can you not just focus on what you are reading

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.

The bible says he is the first born over (not 'of') all, and you here looking for when he started. Please look properly and think.

frosbel: You are simply perambulating all over this simple scripture and unable to grasp the basics.

okay, let me start again :

Jesus is the firstborn of all creation yet he is also the firstborn from the dead, what does this tell you ?

shdemidemi:

firstborn OVER ALL and not 'of' like you wrote there

frosbel:

okay, when was he born ?

frosbel:

okay, when was he born ?

shdemidemi:
The bible says He had been there from the beginning before the earth.

shdemidemi:
Very much like you, you will never admit your mistake. You immediately delve into another error.

frosbel:

what does born mean ?

You that knows it all, please help us address these basic concepts.

[quote author=shdemidemi]

You keep falling into error cos you keep looking at the firstborn to mean what the English dictionary says it is on its own.

Etymology and usage [edit]

The semitic root B-K-R means "early" or "first" in Ancient Near East semitic languages. Classical Hebrew contains various verbs from the B-K-R stem with this association. The plural noun bikkurim (vegetable firstfruits) also derives from this root..[1] The masculine noun bekhor, firstborn, is used of sons, as "Canaan begat Sidon his firstborn" (Genesis 10:15), whereas the feminine noun, and female equivalent, is bekirah (בְּכִירָה), first-born daughter, such as Leah (Genesis 29:26). Derived from bechor is the qualitative noun bekhorah "birthright" (בְּכוֹרָה), related to primogeniture, such as that which Esau sold to Jacob. In the plural this qualitative noun "birthright" can also mean "firstlings", as when Abel brought out the "firstborn" (bekhorot feminine plural בְּכֹרֹות) of his flock to sacrifice (Genesis 4:4).

Read what the man said and use the word as used in the context of the writer.

frosbel:

Jesus Christ is 100% MAN, Yes.