India has a "stable" economy?

Well that's great. May God Bless Them.

I hope their "stable" economy finds a way to feed the people, end forced prostitution, homelessness & all the rest.

As for the lack of "tribal warfare" it doesn't need any. When you have wealth & power in the hands of the few, the multitude are too busy starving & hustling to survive to have any sort of "warfare". Again, good for them.

@ Mizieya

So what exactly is your point? I still don't understand what you are arguing about, you 're all over the place. Africa's problems are deeper than you think, most African countries are in serious debt, they have to pay off the debt before they can start taking care of their citizens. You are from the U.k, It's just like someone having credit card debt and then having kids to feed and so on. Those that don't have debt have serious wars going on

You also state China and India are joint collaborators with African countries, I guess we should all Jump for joy right, America, England, India, China are buying up Nigerian Oil, china says they have been building our railways for the past 20 years, China also floods our markets with cheap low quality textiles. All this trade, and yet people are broke!
Ghana, South Africa, and Zimbabwe together produce nearly 50% of the worlds gold people are still broke
sierra leone produces diamond people are still broke.

The U.S subsidizes cotton farmers. for instance if it takes 10 dollars to produce cotton from a field, the American government gives the farmers 7 dollars, and then the farmer sells the cotton for 8 dollars, He's making a killing, on the other hand the African farmer pays the 10 dollars out of his pocket, and then tries to sell for 12 so he can make profit, but everybody else says why should i buy from you for 12 dollars while the American is selling for 8, thus the African farmer sells for less, he can't repay the 10 dollars he borrowed and the vicious cycle or poverty continues!!

Mizieya you really need to go www.maketradefair.com, and click on issues so you can learn about fairtrade, that way at least you would gain knowledge instead of blaming the poor for being poor.

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Dear Perplexed Zeb,

1 When did I say I was blaming the poor for being poor?

2 My point is that at some point Blame needs to be laid on the doorstep of its rightful owner. As I have stated time and time again: other ex colonies have managed to get their act together: regardless of their countries governmental corruption.

3 I also stated clearly that other countries have helped Africa by sending doctors, making NGO's that help the community ie education, schools etc etc- as I stated before if you don't read a whole document or in this case a post then you're not going to understand and fail quite dramatically.

4 You naively think that because I live in Britain that I have no idea: I have seen for myself the state of different countries such as Gambia, India, and Pakistan: I like to travel. However, you yourself stated in an earlier post that you wish that the G8 and other countries would stop helping Africa: in fact your sentiment is echoed in a few African Tabloids and by a few African Leaders.

5 The Debt is world known, and if I recall it was already halved by joint agreement by the richer nations. To get out of debt is to get government to function properly: as it is- it is an up hill struggle because the mindset and governance is based on Suzerainty. Hence the Problem of Tribal Feuds masquerading as clashes between Christian and Muslim. In fact there are parallels here between the current African Disposition and the Suzerainity of Germany before that country managed to become a whole one.

5a) Even if there were not a debt to pay off- the chances are very high that the present state of affairs in Africa would still be there: namely because of Bad Management.

6 You say all this trade and yet people are broke: that still doesn't give any man or woman the right to abuse others just because at the end of the day: there is not a strong government, there is not a good driving leadership to get out of the rut- it effects the people: your own citizens say "oh we cannot do this, or do that here- this is Africa - not the UK, or America."

7 Zeb I guess if you say something often enough - eventually the lie becomes a false truth - lets practice this: Repeat after me "there are no gays and lesbians in Africa, there is no AIDS, there are no AIDS villages, there are no Tribal Feuds, Nigeria IS a rich and healthy and happy country, there are no 419ers, there are no rapes, it is a model of excellence and the judeo christian god jointly blesses Africa with the Islamic god: it is Utopia, "

8 Regarding the Farmers: the only way to get out of a vicious circle is by breaking the cycle and that leads back to Management: government. I agree that the whole set up is unfair, but then it is not unprecedented for the poorer countries to say NO- look at the last WTO meeting where China and other countries said no to the manipulation from the richer countries, If South Africa can stand on it's feet and strongly play in the International Arena despite its domestic problems - why can't other African countries?

I simply don't see any excuses.

9 Back to the original topic: just because there is poverty doesn't give any one the right to use or play on anothers vulnerability to get from A to B. I have talked with many Nigerians, and Ghanians and Gambians regarding their approach to life: they claim that the richer countries owe them - because of colonialism. They bracket not just the whites who live in the West but also the Blacks. In fact- I have had a few people say t me that even if someone is conning another person and you know they are conning them; it's ok because 'you should help a brother" - right, so lets just allow everyone to get away with crimes. Everyone is fair game for targeting. Apparently everyone else is to blame for the hardship in Africa except, Africans in Africa, how cosy and comfortable a spiel to spin. So in a nutshell it's all about Pay Back.

I find Pay Back tends to be a Bitch, and she and I are on a first name basis.

10 They justify the monetary and love scams because of this 'debt'. I find it ironic that we (the west) are enabling internet fraud even more so by equipping people with computers and training people to use them - which is a similar way as to how Osama managed to bite the hand that fed him, however I digress,

11 I agree that Africa's problems are deep- the chord that binds it together is Religion: Islam, Christianity and sandwhiched in between the two is the Tribal Clan and all that goes with it. However- none of Africas problems justifies the colourful internet scams in their myriad forms.

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India has a "stable" economy? Shocked

Well that's great. May God Bless Them.

I hope their "stable" economy finds a way to feed the people, end forced prostitution, homelessness & all the rest.

As for the lack of "tribal warfare" it doesn't need any. When you have wealth & power in the hands of the few, the multitude are too busy starving & hustling to survive to have any sort of "warfare". Again, good for them.

[color=#550000]Clearly god doesn't bless any country: a myth that I choose to dispel. What India probably needs most are contraceptives- as well as sex education, but then thats applicable to almost any where, end forced prostitution, sure why not as long as your country takes the lead in ending exploitation, child labour, homelessness, poverty and most importantly the negative impact that the patriarchal religions have on the populace.

Name one country that works on the basis of a Cooperative- when you find one- come back to me on your pointless issue of wealth and power in the hands of the few. Perhaps you should teach America the values of equality, and high standard of living for all including the ghetto, New Orleans and so on, wealth and power can always be taken away from people, [/color]

@Mizieya
*Eye Roll* My point wasn't that America was "king". In fact it's obvious that you mentioned that as a cheap tactic to draw attn away from your ideas. Furthermore I mentioned "weath & power" b/c those 2 should be dispered & in that way it ensures full bellies & political/personal agency (enfranchisement). In fact, I think that no country escapes certain ills & rather than say "Yippe no tribal warfare" a person should seek to improve the country's situation if he/she esteems it. But go ahead and talk about India. I sure it's what you're good for.

MIZIEYA:

Chin some free Advice: never hint or profess to be someone elses mind reader.

Thanks for your permission that I can go ahead and talk about India: I may even venture and talk about other countries as well, like Africa, Argentina, America - hey lets just go through the alphabet,

Cheap shot?: when you open the doors don't complain when replies you do not like come back at you.

That's fine. Go right on ahead. It won't bother me a bit.

MIZIEYA:
Ideology doesn't make full bellies or indeed stop forced prostitution, child labour and other issues both of us have mentioned, perhaps because you feel inadequate you may wish to resolve self esteem issues and do as christians have done: be a Missionary in foreign lands (preferably the poorer countries) and personally enable communities to live better lives - you could become the female messiah of hope that the world has been waiting for - all powerful and dressed to kill in your size fives!

Of course ideology doesn't make for full bellies. Who said it does? Or did you mean this comment for someone else. I only responded to you b/c I thought your ideology was comical/nonsensical not b/c I wanted to prove my ideology is/was best.

MIZIEYA:
So I'm guessing you married for a greencard, or are a product of such a union?

I'm not married nor am I the product of "such a union". Why would you guess that? Anyhow, you guessed wrong. Hope you don't gamble.

Mizieya

You keep making noise about India and Pakistan about how they are illustrious and Industrious. Okay I called British airways last week on 3 separate occassions to confirm flights the BA operators on the other line[b] had indian accents on three different occasions,[/b] does BA hire only indians? hell no! the call center is in INDIA, everytime i pick up a shirt, trousers its made in indonesia, india, china. Hp and sony have factories in China and Korea. Creating good jobs so the people can have good jobs and lead better lives Thats what you call AID
On the other hand how many of these companies have offices/plants in Africa, doesn't Africa have cheap labor too? ,you ignore these facts and conviniently point to the so called NGO's you see on t.v giving aid to Africa[b] while conviniently not stating that most if not All the NGO's get their money back in taxes or someother way from the government.[/b]

They off load their used computers on Africa because it's actually cheaper to send them to Africa and claim some PR rather than discarding them properly as required by the law. Even in Universities everywhere i turn i see Indian students, korean students, chinese students, where are the African students. They are languishing at home even though they have excellent SAT, GRE or A level results because your racist governments refuse them visas so they can better themselves so at the end some naive Holier than thou westerner can compare African students in Africa to their Indian counterparts, "Oh look at him standing on his own feet" what are you doing?.

What does Africa get? some stupid HIV/Aids condoms, boreholes dug, some stupid commercials on T.V oh save Darfur, save the African Child. If your governments/people really wanted to help save your crocodile tears and invest, let the sony, dell, microsofts have call centers in NIgeria, let Gap have a manufacturing outlet in Ghana, and watch Africa boom!

For your Information South Africa is not doing anything on a global scale the only countries that matter are the U.S, U.K, France, Germany, Russia, Japan, and maybe China. also you keep mentioning tribal warfare. Like conflict is inevitable . Last time i checked your beloved IRA was still fighting wars in the U.K!

I'm tired of hearing you say I've been to Gambia, India, Pakistan so what!!? have you ever been to the states, If you do go to Cleveland Ohio, and Detroit Michigan. You would probably see big shopping malls, skyscrapers and probably exclaim "oh look at industrious cleveland or look at detroit car capital of the world" what you don't know is that[b] Cleveland and Detroit are the poorest big cities in America just check the inner cities[/b] So just because you went on vacation to Gambia, Pakistan, and India and they took you around the nice parts to impress you shouldn't make you feel you know anything about the struggles the average person faces. You don't know Sh!T!!! so get off your high horse and get educated about the issues. I already gave you a website to start off www.maketradefair.com

Also your saying South Africa is this South Africa is that! is like George bush Saying oh Look i put condoleeza in a high position, I put collin powell in a high position look I love black people, but when Katrina strikes the government does nothing for 5 days just because its a heavily African American population

[color=#006600][/color]Mizeya

I am still trying to get your point. What the hell is your point? U are in the UK where Al-Queda is making waves and threatening your way of life.

Mizieya

Your whole post made me laugh so hard? so according to you the major requirement for being a major player in International Politics is to be a major fashion house?

You basically have nothing to say instead of taking a day or two to think about it, you post rambling thoughts like a confused celtic pagan!

Ha MIZIEYA

Do you always run on internet boards, write in purple [/b]and [b]call grown men darling? i guess your whole life is confused and chaotic and considering the way you look in your pics you probably ain't getting no play from the celtic white chicks (I'm guessing thats the reason you joined) so what other options do you have? Turning Homosexual? and trying to get your rocks off on the internet?

pardon me one moment i just went off on a tangent Haha!!

MIZIEYA:

So basically you really don't have anything to say: because intitially you don't understand what has been written by me or anyone else.

My advice: keep watching re runs of the twin towers, and keep tabs on the 'progress' on the war on terror, nature (Katrina the Hurricaine is a terrorist) and american civil liberties

You're an idiot. Don't address me again.

Mizeiya

No Idiot means you are a "dumb unstable SOB" . From your post you really fit the profile of an Idiot. Not educated, just a silly piece of $hit.

You have to do what you need to do to make sure you survive in life, You won't blame them cos they need it.

Find a way to get in, fit in, get on with your life.!!! Immigrant's dream

Yep man that's the dream, be like Arnold! fit into the society make money, much more money. It seems more progressive than painting your left eye with chalk and dancing around naked practising witchcraft don't you think wizard?

seems you're spoiling for a fight , you've come to the right post -mine-

And the U.K government is not corrupt, waging wars on Iraq with lies and trumped up charges so they can profit from the lucrative contracts

Question My dear witch doctor, Iraqi oil production hasn't stopped they are still pumping out millions of barrells, where's all the money going Tony Blair knows the answer!

remember tyco, martha stewart, enron, tyco before you point fingers about corruption.

@ Mizieya
I'm going to tell you what a certain Herbalist told me about corruption.

MIZIEYA:


A movie is a movie: for every Martha Stewart in the world, there's always a counterpart - your point? It's already been established that not one country is pure as the driven snow.

In your own words so why the long posts, if you have nothing else to do go shoot me a bird!