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Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by debosky(m): 11:59pm On Dec 18, 2009
SapeleGuy:

Let's put the concept of self determination into context. In the beginning, we had ethnic plurality, then came colonisation, then external self determination i.e. freedom from the colonial master, then internal colonisation vis a vis 3 main ethnicities/ regions, then the first attempt at internal self determination via the creation of the mid west region and the creation of Rivers and other states since.

Correction - the Mid-West State Region was a deliberate attempt to weaken the South West Region's perceived strength/ influence.

Secondly, the creation of states did NOT stop any perceived 'colonisation' by the big 3, since they were created by the Military who appointed state administrators by whim, not by ethnicity.


We have to ask why were these states created in the first place? Does the original need still exist?
Can we honestly say that the process of internal self determination has peaked or is anywhere near doing so?

The states were created out of a mixture of political fiat, opportunistic lobbying of powers that be and a misguided notion that creation of a state leads to development. By creating states, the military kept certain groups distracted and helped them gain credibility while the pillaging of the country continued.

However, there are numerous examples that show that state creation doesn't achieve that - take Bayelsa state for example. The power turbine built there in the 80's when it was part of Rivers was the only power generation supply there for a long time, even after the state was 'created'.

What is needed is a structure that permits constituent groups to participate in the running of their affairs and the rest of the country. State creation has failed to do that and the very idea that creating more will lead to self determination is flawed.
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by SapeleGuy: 12:14am On Dec 19, 2009
debosky:

Correction - the Mid-West State Region was a deliberate attempt to weaken the South West Region's perceived strength/ influence.

Secondly, the creation of states did NOT stop any perceived 'colonisation' by the big 3, since they were created by the Military who appointed state administrators by whim, not by ethnicity.

The states were created out of a mixture of political fiat, opportunistic lobbying of powers that be and a misguided notion that creation of a state leads to development. By creating states, the military kept certain groups distracted and helped them gain credibility while the pillaging of the country continued.

However, there are numerous examples that show that state creation doesn't achieve that - take Bayelsa state for example. The power turbine built there in the 80's when it was part of Rivers was the only power generation supply there for a long time, even after the state was 'created'.

What is needed is a structure that permits constituent groups to participate in the running of their affairs and the rest of the country. State creation has failed to do that and the very idea that creating more will lead to self determination is flawed.

You over play the strength of the western region by not giving credit to some very influential mid western figures like Okotie-Eboh, Jereton Mariere, Enahoro and Oba Akenzua to name a few who all fought for its creation. I remind you that mid west state is the first and last state to be created democratically in Nigeria.

Your second point is an issue of accountability or lack of it - which can't be attributed to state creation. In a country where ethnicity plays such a strong part, every attempt must be made to create a level playing field. All ethnicities should be free to pursue their own development.

Why don't we have a referendum?
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by Abagworo(m): 9:40am On Dec 19, 2009
SapeleGuy:

You over play the strength of the western region by not giving credit to some very influential mid western figures like Okotie-Eboh, Jereton Mariere, Enahoro and Oba Akenzua to name a few who all fought for its creation. I remind you that mid west state is the first and last state to be created democratically in Nigeria.

Your second point is an issue of accountability or lack of it - which can't be attributed to state creation. In a country where ethnicity plays such a strong part, every attempt must be made to create a level playing field. All ethnicities should be free to pursue their own development.

Why don't we have a referendum?

dont let yourself be used.ethnicity is a thing of the poor masses and not the ruling class.even if you create a state which consists of only urhobo,neo-ethnic groups will spring up and you will discover that not all urhobos are thesame.those urhobos that really have the oil in their land would still feel cheated by those that dont have.look at igbo ethnic group for example and see how oil has created new ethnic groups out of the larger igbo.imao states should be reduced in nigeria and LGAs scrapped.
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by ojofu(m): 1:34pm On Dec 19, 2009
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If creating states solves problems, then Nigeria would have been a much better place since the number of states has multiplied tremendously.
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Thank you my Brother.
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by debosky(m): 2:00pm On Dec 19, 2009
Abagworo:

dont let yourself be used.ethnicity is a thing of the poor masses and not the ruling class.even if you create a state which consists of only urhobo,neo-ethnic groups will spring up and you will discover that not all urhobos are thesame.those urhobos that really have the oil in their land would still feel cheated by those that dont have.look at igbo ethnic group for example and see how oil has created new ethnic groups out of the larger igbo.imao states should be reduced in nigeria and LGAs scrapped.

Perceptive observation. This is what led to states in Yorubaland even though they all share the same 'language' - but when push comes to shove, they begin to look at differences - I'm Ekiti, I'm Egba and so on.

SapeleGuy:

You over play the strength of the western region by not giving credit to some very influential mid western figures like Okotie-Eboh, Jereton Mariere, Enahoro and Oba Akenzua to name a few who all fought for its creation. I remind you that mid west state is the first and last state to be created democratically in Nigeria.

Yeah, created to reduce Awo's political influence and allow the parties in opposition to him to win.


Your second point is an issue of accountability or lack of it - which can't be attributed to state creation. In a country where ethnicity plays such a strong part, every attempt must be made to create a level playing field. All ethnicities should be free to pursue their own development.

Again creating states will not achieve that - simply because, when state creation happens in one region, it will be mirrored in other regions in the guise of equality, thereby further reducing the share each state receives from the pot and increasing the dependent bureaucracy as a result.


Why don't we have a referendum?

On what? State creation?

What good would that do? We must stop this backward idea that we need to create more subdivisions in order to progress - 36 states later we've discovered that is NOT the case. The best periods of economic growth and development overall were achieved within the three regions, even with their own flaws.

What we need to focus on is APPLYING the existing laws properly and maximising the potential for economic development and ethnic self expression available in the current set up - failure to do that will mean making yet another mistake to remedy the previous one.
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by bandely(m): 3:35pm On Dec 19, 2009
@sjeezy

lol grin grin
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by Chefo(m): 4:38pm On Dec 19, 2009
My nairalanders all these grammar wen Ibru de blow no bi because crude oil dey there ego soon finish na then urhobo go scatter abeg remember to include my own ishekpe state. United we stand divided we fall.
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by Ogbeta: 5:09pm On Dec 19, 2009
CIVIL servants in Delta State have been urged to shun corruption in all its ramifications. The Commissioner for Housing, Chief Frank Omare, said at a meeting with permanent secretary, directors

and field officers of the ministry in Asaba, the state capital, that because of civil servants’ lassie-faire attitude to work, no viable project has been executed by the ministry during the two-year reign of Governor Emmanuel Uduaghan.

He warned them to beware of bribery, contract inflation, deviation from Bills of Quantity (BOQ) rules and blackmail in the coming year.

Omare said: “I warn you. Don’t keep files on your table for more than a day or else you will be frustrated politically. Ensure memos are prepared in time, project specification must reflect its percentages, because we failed as a ministry despite all budgetary provisions in the last two years to commission any viable project.

“Stop giving stringent conditions to contractors in a bid to kick-front and kick-back, the rules guiding all bills of quantity must be followed because I won’t fall in line, instead, I will be very firm in applying the big stick.

“Any official who colludes with contractors to shortchange the state will be dealt with.”

The commissioner noted that the ministry was deficient in quantity surveyors, builders, architects and other logistics to deliver on the new policies but promised quick intervention.

He disclosed that the ministry has acquired a new hydrophone machine to mould between 3,000 and 4,000 blocks daily to meet the housing needs of the state, adding that “funds have been appropriated for workers’ capacity building in the 2010 Budget.”
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by location(m): 5:18pm On Dec 19, 2009
i think very soon i will like my own street to become a state.
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by Outstrip(f): 5:31pm On Dec 19, 2009
when has resources ever been the problem in Nigeria
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by Beaf: 5:37pm On Dec 19, 2009
Chefo:

My nairalanders all these grammar wen Ibru de blow no bi because crude oil dey there ego soon finish na then urhobo go scatter abeg remember to include my own ishekpe state.  United we stand divided we fall. 

Maybe you've not considered that the only thing holding up your "ishekpe" area is oil? If oil finishes today, rather than the Urhobo scattering, Nigeria will scatter into several disgracefully poverty stricken countries.
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by debosky(m): 5:42pm On Dec 19, 2009
Outstrip:

when has resources ever been the problem in Nigeria

Since the discovery of oil in the 50's and the decline of agriculture. . . .let's face it: if not for the oil Nigeria would likely have disintegrated by now.
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by Fhemmmy: 5:42pm On Dec 19, 2009
Beautiful idea, but not sure it will be the best.
We currently have 36 states and most are living under poverty.
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by mansmith(m): 6:03pm On Dec 19, 2009
tribal bases should not be a yard stick for state creation
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by Fhemmmy: 6:07pm On Dec 19, 2009
man smith:

tribal bases should not be a yard stick for state creation

True Dat, else, every tribe will want a state.
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by GL(f): 7:31pm On Dec 19, 2009
SapeleGuy:


The Urhobo's are merely trying to establish their pre colonial sovereignty, all ethnicities who want to do this should be allowed to do so.


if any tribe really wants to reestablish their precolonial sovereignty, they'll have to secede and form their own country. that's not something that they can achieve as a state within a country. imagine what it would look like if other tribes were to start clamouring for their own states? the Binis? Itsekiris? they also had established precolonial kingdoms. who would get warri? that would probably cause another crisis. how big and economically viable would each state be if we were to give each tribe a state? i bet even Urhobos would need more than one state because then we would see that there are divisions even among them.

that guy who said we need to scrap all 36 states was right. the rest of the world is thinking globalization but we are thinking division. europeans are bringing down economic and social borders in the interest of development but we're trying to erect borders. of what use is sovereignty in the absence of development?
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by Benuromi: 7:38pm On Dec 19, 2009
We have not manage the state we have at the moment, some people are talking about creation of another state. then i think every street in Nigeria will be looking for Independence state. If that is the case, i will support UROMI STATE, after that, then i will support creation of my village from uromi state angry angry ; . Please, those supporting the creation of state should wake up and see the reality of what will solve the problems of Nigeria and not adding salt to injuring. Long live Nigeria. God bless Nigeria.
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by jona2: 7:43pm On Dec 19, 2009
Benuromi:

We have not manage the state we have at the moment, some people are talking about creation of another state. then i think every street in Nigeria will be looking for Independence state. If that is the case, i will support UROMI STATE, after that, then i will support creation of my village from uromi state angry angry ; . Please, those supporting the creation of state should wake up and see the reality of what will solve the problems of Nigeria and not adding salt to injuring. Long live Nigeria. God bless Nigeria.
is Uromi not a Esan?lol Esan want to break  away from the Binis Prostu ties.
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by KnowAll(m): 7:45pm On Dec 19, 2009
The state is over due, but that name does not do justice to the area calling it Urobo State might lead to resentment in some quarters, how are the Isekeris to take it, I think the name Delta State must be retained and the Asaba area should be called Anioma State.
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by Beaf: 7:57pm On Dec 19, 2009
I am yet to see any cogent reason why Urhobo state should not be created. Everything against it seems to be based either on pure sentiment, fundamental misunderstanding of Nigeria's "federal" structure or just plain misfiring (eg it won't solve the countiries problems, duh! It is meant to solve local problems).

An Urhobo state will be one of the most developed areas of the country, that could spur serious development in sorrounding areas.
It will be immediately economically viable with administrative structures and institutions already in place, unlike most of the "streets and towns" some people have mentioned without much thought and perhaps in comedy.
Why should we have economically unviable states like Ekiti, Kebbi etc and not have an Urhobo state? Is it because Urhobo isn't part of wazobia?
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by Eaglebabe: 7:58pm On Dec 19, 2009
Na only Urhorobo Ijaw state is also in the making.
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by Becomrrich: 8:30pm On Dec 19, 2009
Beaf keep your mouth to yourself. Uhrobo state for live.  And to make it better, they include asaba as part of it.
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by AndreUweh(m): 8:51pm On Dec 19, 2009
KnowAll:

The state is over due, but that name does not do justice to the area calling it Urobo State might lead to resentment in some quarters, how are the Isekeris to take it, I think the name Delta State must be retained and the Asaba area should be called Anioma State.
That is the same point I have been making. Anioma state should be created for Ndigbo in delta state and the rest will retain the name Delta. Ndigbo in Delta state have been agitating for statehood since 1951 and should be supported.
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by Outstrip(f): 9:30pm On Dec 19, 2009
debosky:

Since the discovery of oil in the 50's and the decline of agriculture. . . .let's face it: if not for the oil Nigeria would likely have disintegrated by now.

My point is that listing all the resources is not a good point. Nigeria has always had resources but Nigeria has no idea what to do with it. In fact I have a feeling that if pounds fell from the sky in Nigeria we still will not know how to use it to better that country
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by H2O2: 9:33pm On Dec 19, 2009
Outstrip:

My point is that listing all the resources is not a good point. Nigeria has always had resources but Nigeria has no idea what to do with it. In fact I have a feeling that if pounds fell from the sky in Nigeria we still will not know how to use it to better that country
But oil is not just any resource. That's undoubtedly the core integrating resource that binds the nation together, as doboski said.
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by duality(m): 10:30pm On Dec 19, 2009
grin grin urhobo state. grin funny

urhobo wayooo!
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by Justcash(m): 7:50am On Dec 20, 2009
Naah! Instead of more states, let it be in Regions, with clear boundaries determined by history and cultural resolution .
Eastern, Western, Northern and Southern regions.
Nigeria should be a confederal state, and have a Fiscal confederal system. cool

Each Zone should have their own Regional legislative houses, International airports, Military specialisation (E.g Navy HQ in the Southern Region), Connecting rail systems, Regional Police etc
The central government should be weaker than the component regions.

The only problem is that Nigeria can (Will) easily split that way. LWKMD grin but for sure there will be more regional peace than we have now.

My Sincere view.
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by Benuromi: 1:43pm On Dec 20, 2009
is Uromi not a Esan?lol Esan want to break away from the Binis Prostu ties.



I do agree with the the Esan want to break from the Binis because of it prostitution but creation of state my brother. Peace.
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by bidemi12(m): 2:11pm On Dec 20, 2009
@Beaf beaf, How far na?   Been gone for a while, i'm back and you still haven't changed. You and this your separatist views. O'l boy you have too much idle time on your hands.  grin
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by ruemu(m): 3:20pm On Dec 20, 2009
duality:

grin grin urhobo state. grin funny

urhobo wayooo!

y do u think it's funny.
U still don't see that there are more wayoo from the north than any part of nigeria?

think
Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by SapeleGuy: 3:40pm On Dec 20, 2009
"Nationalities must demand their freedom. . .only a restructuring of the polity can ensure peace and genuine democracy". Bola Ige

Democracy has to be built on equality for all ethnicities, if you people can't agree to that, then cue the break up of the nation.

Based on our linguistic and cultural complexity, we do not have enough states, creation of states is not the reason the country has not developed- that is a different matter.

Where were you people when Bakassi was being surrendered?

Switzerland with 7.7 million people and 4 languages has 26 states.

You people should be honest and state your real fears. Could it be that you are scared of decentralisation of power and resource control?

Russia has 140 million people and have 49 states.

England a smaller country with 1 language and  60 million people have at least 46 states (counties).
http://www.picturesofengland.com/mapofengland/counties-map.html

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