Magnoliaa:



You talk so much balderdash with confidence, and even proudly display how off tune you're, how.... unaligned you are with reality. Probably still living in a man-cave or in the jungle with wild animals.

You have a very micro- scope view of the world. Simplistic, and narrow-minded. You pick the lines, parts of 'truths' you want to believe, and dismiss the ones that do not sit well nor agree with you.

Can you read? Like, really READ, and for long, and to comprehend, not just skim or scan through, but for a deeper understanding to learn?

Read the article below then, and patiently. Read until the very end before you come back to dismiss its points or my stance - that women have been maltreated throughout history.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_women

And you, too, @Elliot2 should do same.

You are just being biased, for you to deny the fact that a male child automatically does not get conferred with privileges from birth over a female child who hadn't even been allowed her FIRST breath.

All I have to say to you is everything that link contains. And for everyone touting the lines of the female child's unseen power and influence in the society, blah blah blah.

kurupt1:
This Toke Makinwa is a very dumb girl and it's a pity a lot of women take her advice seriously.
In summary ,Snoop Dogg is talking about loyalty and friendship, but you and I know that slay queens like Toke have no moral values,so it's like foreign language to them

Michellekabod2:
like I said you run to science when it backs up your point but if not you begin to call it pro-woman and fault it.... SMH .you are selective of scientifical facts to accept and decline. You aren't typing from an objective mind. I can't continue further discussion with you based on my discovery of this...if you can't reason beyond stereotype then I can't continue this discussion.
The mark of education is to question existing practices and norms, reason beyond conformity...I wish you luck on your path...bye

Michellekabod2:

Where in all my talks did I mention feminism?to your ignorance you add lies! People are being treated fairly? And guys are broke shammed? Widows opressed? Only men are sent to war torn areas? FGM?See I quit any further conversations with you based on your analogy. We are seeing things from different prism ...SMH
To be honest,you have got personal issues...I corrected someone who made a wrong assertion with a clean mind and not to start any gender argument or to support any gender and you popped calling it a feminist lore designed by me to say there are no drawbacks of promiscuity without confirming if am a feminist or not. I told you to do your research properly you accused Google and YouTube of feminism,I told you check textbooks,and ask doctors still looked for excuse to fault them for being pro-woman. All efforts to avoid a scientifically proven fact because they will be nothing to use to nail women. I do encourage ladies not to sleep around because of STDs, unwanted pregnancy, etc and not for myths like wide vaginas....but you have an unsatiable urge to nail ladies with wrong assertions because of stereotype and not learn...how much can someone flee from the fact?
Is it such a bitter pill? Why are you so incorrigible? To save men ego or what?
I blame myself for engaging you this far,I should have let you be since you aren't open to facts but faulting facts if it doesn't concide with your wrong thinking...the fact does not care about your feelings.
May you find your own path and let others live theirs,may I also find my own path and let others live theirs...
Bye!

Lilbest3:
so, you reported me after getting a dose of your own medicine lmao. Such a weakling screaming all over this forum.

I never said science was pro-women. What I said was that majority of the articles you will read these days were written by vagina worshipping snowflake Simps and feminist lapdogs.
Science has always proved every single leftist ideology to be false.

Michellekabod2:

Reported who? I don't know what you are talking about ...
People waking up to equality ain't vagina worshippers. People fighting stereotype ain't vagina worshippers. New discoveries that counter stereotype or myths are not fostered by vagina worshippers...
Everyday scientists make new discoveries,find cures to diseases....but when it has to deal with females,and especially if it doesn't support your patriarchy you call it vagina worship!
When science said that a woman fertility reduces with age, you guys had no objection to it and Applauded science but when is says something that you percieve speaks Against oppression of females you cry foul

Lilbest3:
so, after screaming all over the place how oppressed you are, you had to spend how many days researching how you are actually oppressed lol.

Look Wikipedia is not even credible source for anything at all, anybody can edit a wiki article and fill it with sentiments.

WOMEN WERE NEVER OPPRESSED.

both gender were at the receiving end of certain things that weren't pleasant.

Both genders have certain " previleges" (I don't even think previlege is an accurate word to describe it).

How do you counter the facts that 80% of the men in France died in Ww2 to protect women and children?

How do you explain 78% of suicide being men? how do you explain explain bottom 20% of the society (homeless, incarcerated etc) being men?
How do you explain 93% of workplace death being men?

How do you explain men being sentenced to 3 times more prison time than women for committing the same offence?
All you uninformed unintelligent feminists wannabes shout is top 1% ( the presidents CEOs etc) being men you never talk about the 99% of men who don't have anybody to complain to.
Does that sound like previlege to you?

You only talk about rape, how many men rape women? 95% of men will risk losing their lives to protect women you never talk about that

Psalm2423:


I would have loved to say more, but some folks will call it female bashing. I don’t care though.

This third wave feminism is crap. Women always love shouting inequality and whatnot. I still don’t believe that people can be so dumb in this decade.

Men work longer than women on an average.

The money they get from this work is shared with the family. Women work, and the average lady bags her money for herself, and feeds on the husband. If we want equality, let both parties bring equal amounts, and let the woman add more since the man provides shelter.

All women have their opinion. The law court allows women to divorce, and in more often than not, go with a huge sum as alimony, and also receive periodic payments in the case of a children born in wedlock.

Why can’t men take the children, and women pay the money needed to train the child?

When it comes to sexual harassment, it doesn’t matter if a girl kisses me out of the blue. If I report to the cops, they’ll simply laugh at me and ask if I didn’t enjoy it. When I do same to a girl, Twitter will bash me, I will have a hard time building relationships and my career, and the church will come to my house to advise me. Where’s the equality for the man?

A man has to ask a lady out, take care of her, feed her, and do all sort of things for her.

@magnoliaa Have you ever worked hard only to give the money to your boyfriend or husband sitting lazily in the house? Don’t talk about house chores, a civilized bachelor’s home is neat. But no, you guys demand that we work, and give to you at your request. Where’s the equality in that?

Feminists don’t know what they want. You want to be heard, but we can already hear you. You vote, you work, you flaunt around town, you have pastors, politicians, governors. Can you name one thing that men enjoy today that you don’t enjoy? And can you not name numerous stuffs that you enjoy on the health of a guy?

Magnoliaa:


I was not online. I knew this and posted it now when I had access to the internet.



See why I told you to really read the article? Till the end? If you did, you'll see references to credible sources, facts, and pages, other websites.


Seriously??

So you're going to deny the fact of all the rapes, forced marriages, violence, FGM, child marriages, legalized torture, etc? Ok.

So, what will you call these then? If not, oppression, what are they?



I'm not denying this. I'm talking about women's issues and their treatment here. Don't bring in this that happened to men to push aside women's problems. Women were generally treated lowly than men were. Men being drafted to to do this, create things and all that arises from the superiority complex of and value attached to men.

You were believed to be the better sex, so you'll be called to do important things.


What are they 'privileges?' Who have them more?



Please, post your own sources oh. For these figures, since we don't trust data on the Internet anymore. Those percentages were probably falsified also. If this happened, am I denying happening? Were men the only one to suffer in these wars? Women sat down, propped up their feet and watched you all go out? After the wars, were these women not shared as booties, raped, maimed, killed?

Who fight wars? Is it not men? Have there ever been any wars in the history of the world led by women? So y'all scatter, oppress, do unimaginable things not only to women, but to yourselves. You perpetrate violence against your own selves.



Where is your source for these figures?

These things happening do not discredit feminism or its cause.

Who run things in the society?

It's common sense that the people who make up the work force will be the ones to face its problems and challenges. Who made it so that men had to go out to work?

For the physical deaths and harms y'all face, women experience theirs emotionally and in health.



No. Rape is not the only issue talked about. Seriously. Educate yourself.

Keep touting lies and throwing figures all over the place.
Is it the women they treat as properties and base objects?

Lilbest3:
so, you reported me after getting a dose of your own medicine lmao. Such a weakling screaming all over this forum.

I never said science was pro-women. What I said was that majority of the articles you will read these days were written by vagina worshipping snowflake Simps and feminist lapdogs.
Science has always proved every single leftist ideology to be false.

Lilbest3:
number 1 I never said you can't use statistics from Internet I was only talking about Wikipedia. I can open that link you posted, edit and fill it with rubbish. Wikipedia cannot be used as valid source for any argument.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2018/12/19/fatal-employment-men-10-times-more-likely-than-women-to-be-killed-at-work/amp/

https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/genderinc.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.statista.com/chart/amp/11573/gender-of-inmates-in-us-federal-prisons-and-general-population/

Magnoliaa:


What are these ideologies (of leftist groups) that have been proven to be false?

And, they have to be ideologies that were presented as 'science.'

Magnoliaa:


Wikipedia cites these links you posted as sources duh!

Ladycewhy:
this where you get it wrong ,its not feminisim to refuse to be put through heart ache. I tire for you o,so domestic violence and phillandering is a character flaw that women have to put up with? Lol . i have heard you ,but you see as i dey so, i wasn't built like that.Make we rest for the matter,i am sure there are men out there that are the complete opposite of Gucci like Russell and ciara , Cassie and her man, well those are the people i choose to look at. I am not cut out for the bonnie and clyde life. Those who are good luck to them ,and goodluck to me too.

Lilbest3:
number 1 I never said you can't use statistics from Internet I was only talking about Wikipedia. I can open that link you posted, edit and fill it with rubbish. Wikipedia cannot be used as valid source for any argument.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2018/12/19/fatal-employment-men-10-times-more-likely-than-women-to-be-killed-at-work/amp/

https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/genderinc.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.statista.com/chart/amp/11573/gender-of-inmates-in-us-federal-prisons-and-general-population/

So if I die protecting you, it's because I think you are less human lol una no just wan get sense

The same way men fought and died to protect women and children were exactly the same way they rose to power, you never talk about the struggles you only talk about the few people who made it to the top.

So you know men face more physical violence than women why exa do you people paint some kind of picture that men got all the previlege and power and oppress women with it?

Magnoliaa:


So, what are the reasons for these things happening? Favouring men over women? Are women the cause (directly or indirectly)?



Don't this yourself into this. Please. Let's stick to conventions here. And don't misquote me. I said men. Secondly, y'all doing everything was fit for the past times. Women did things, too. Humans were developing, conquering the physical world and because you are equipped with the strength to do so, you did. Doesn't change how treated women SOCIALLY, ECONOMICALLY.



Right. How about looking at how kingdoms were ruled in time past? How a make child being born is this joy of everyone and automatically put up to become the king? The ones that weren't given such opportunities, learned to rise and get to the top - but still they were taught, favored.

Why do you think a woman is mocked if she cannot give birth to a make child? Why are women subjected to devilish, traditional practices when their husbands die?

Men generally have it easy, COMPARED TO women. And that's fact. I am not saying men don't/didn't have their own issues here.



I am not painting any image. Seriously? What's wrong with you?

Women were never oppressed? Are you kidding me?

Yes, they had all the power. So many privileges by just being born a male. So many narratives tilted towards them, to back them up. This doesn't mean they were immune to violence or struggling and whatnot. But it's not on the same level with a woman's.

funmisticqueen:
Answer the question she asked na, list 10 men that stick to their wives in all these situations. Rubbish

Magnoliaa:


If you actually consider stats, you'll see that equality is far from being achieved.


That's because they've been conditioned to do only that, and women not only work in the office but at home, at social gatherings, so they have to share their time. Is this really a fair comparison? What other things are men burdened with that women don't get like 3x of it?

This doesn't change the fact that of women's oppression.



So, is feminism against this? This man working for the woman and the woman 'enjoying' is a very unbalanced narrative. That average lady is no feminist.




This is because a woman is more qualified, suited for childcare. Raising them up and providing the emotional support they need. If you are not going to be in the picture, why won't you support with money?



Blame patriarchy for putting you above a woman and calling you a strong man who cannot be hurt in any way. The cops laughing at you is because of their indoctrination, upbringing of seeing a man as superior to man - so why should they believe you? Another fact also is that, women are more vulnerable, at a disadvantage, so they'll get more protection. A women complaining of assault (any kind) is most time right. Note: I didn't say every woman. And all the complaint is not against all men.



Well, I'm not a kid. I don't wait on any man to do all these. And neither do any feminist expect so 'cos she's a female.




I'm a feminist. I don't know you're talking about. A man who sit down and expect me to work is no feminist.
That is not feminism.




Which women are these? Are they Feminists? Or gold-diggers?

Lilbest3:
I have edited my first post read the end.
I know your estrogen are starting to leak out but I don't care.

Rubbish!!
What are you mentioning this for?? Seriously??

The only thing I gain from being a man is knowing that if I don't work hard I will be homeless I won't even be able to get a wife talk less of children but my sister, for being a woman even if she fails completely has an almost 100% chance of living her dream life, all she needs is just choose the right partner. How is that being born with previlge?

You think the world was always this peaceful and safe?
Some humans are psychos.
Those men ruled the kingdom sleeping with one eye open, heirs needed to be strong and warriors, women who proved strong ruled kingdoms.

I wish I could record this whole thing and upload typing is tiring because it appears to me that you don't even have the most basic idea of how the world was in the past

The reason it's imperative for a male child to be born was simple.
My sisters are married, they are expected to live with their husband but me, no matter where I am or what I achieve, when I'm grown I will have to go back to the village to take care of my ancestral land and deity. If you don't have a male child grass will take over ancestral home because your daughter is with her husband building another family.

Everything you see was somehow division of labour and responsibilities. Dumb women parading themselves as feminists choose a certain area that didn't favour them and whine about it with bitterness

Psalm2423:


You must be a rare feminist then.

Elliot2:
Samson stuck with Delilah despite being aware of her intentions to have him killed; also,King Rehab stuck with Jezebel despite her wickedness. All that befell those men were due to the manipulations of their women. Men stick to bad women and tolerate them all the time. They do incredibly foolish things for them. But,you all can't.

Lilbest3:
Real science has never opposed the law of elasticity, it's only pseudo science that come up with those nonsense. The same pseudo intellectuals that said men and women were biologically the same and that there's no difference at all. The same fools who said men were now more than women.

Magnoliaa:


Rubbish!!
What are you mentioning this for?? Seriously??




All these are still because of the patriarchal culture. The traditional way of life! And you still are against it being changed? Yes. Women have it easy getting married especially to a rich man because they were sold the narrative of only aspiring to be a wife and mother. So, all of her childhood, adolescent years were used to groom her, bring her up. The society says a woman had no other role than being a wife, cooking at home and things were put in place for this to be achieved.

But you know Feminists generally do not support men being the head and taking sole responsibility? They want equal partnership. In the marriage. It's okay for you to stay at home and have kids (because, technology, who needs physical strength? Things we mostly combat now are mental, imginative. Software, programming, writing, and these kind of jobs are gradually taking over the manual and labour-intensive ones. You're not protecting your family from any physical dangers anymore - but emotional ones, like self-esteem, neglect, abuse).

Do you fear being amongst ten guys? If you wear boxers outside, what will happen to you? If your wife, God forbid, dies - will you be blamed? Other than circumcision, do you have your balls cut off to stop you from having sex? Do you get shamed for having sex? Are 26, if you're unmarried how will people generally see you? Are you more likely to be raped and kept at home to do nothing? So much more I can't start to type.

I am even agreeing to the fact that men face some issues, but you, no! You blatantly deny women having any problems. Feminism addresses these issues, even some Feminists are focused on men. In it not in feminism's place to fight for men.



Those psychotic humans, were they women? You said nothing about the male child being more valued than the female. You are only telling me how things were. Okay, agreed. Heirs of Kings needed physical strength. Those born into peasant families nko? Or were all nobles and Kings?



This is your only reason for a male child being treated as more valuable than a female?

See, women were considered less worthy for the same reasons your sisters are married. Because, they'll soon be a part of another family. Sold off.

It's actually a privilege people think, if you don't know. That you are male and "mentally matured" to take responsibility.

See? You're even spinning the narrative more and more. Trying to enforce it and then you come back to cry and complain.

A woman is no one's property. She's still her father's child whether married or not and she's very capable of taking care of the family's affairs. Too simplistic a view.

Just strength to cut grass? Dazall?



I don't get why you keep repeating these lines. Dumb. Stupid. Unintelligent? To infuriate me? Who's the intelligent one here?

Division of labor, bla bla bla. Does it change the fact of women's oppression?
There's a practice in India, too, of women burning themselves with their dead husbands. Women were accused of witchcraft and tortured publicly.

Sure, each gender had their roles to play in this wicked system. They co-existed. Women working and still being oppressed.
Men leading and oppressing too.

Magnoliaa:



I am not a rare feminist. Feminists are feminists. All I know believe the same thing.

Y'all conflate a feminist with other kind of women (especially a traditional one, a sex worker). You think every feminist is traditional, 'bad,' lack morals/values, sleep around with men and so on.

Michellekabod2:

To be honest there is no need going on this lane with any guy, talk more of a guy that accuses science of being pro-woman for revealing sex does not widen vagina.
There is no doubt men are opressed, they are oppressed as well but are comfortable with it and want women to be likewise.
It's a case of bullying two fellows,one feel she shouldn't be bullied, the other feels that since he is also bullied then you should not complain. Whenever a lady brings up an issue of oppression we have things like "men are also opressed". .True ,they are,but they embrace it wholeheartedly,they love stereotype...it's fine if they never speak up,but they should not hush the mouth of those who chose to speak up or start shaming them. It's not by force to join feminism neither is it by force to believe in patriarchy...I don't let society define me or religion (am an atheist)...I make my rules and abide by them as long no one is getting hurt. Some people have issues with others living their lives. They feel so insecure that if people don't follow some norms they will be moral decadence. I believe in the greater good of all,loving others as myself. But there must be some dweebs that must bully me for doing something that is not norm...

To be honest, males trying to play they are the victims and females trying to play they are the real victims is running circles because both genders feel cheated in one way or the other.. when you pop out an injustice meted on a gender, there will be someone from opposite gender to pop out an injustice meted on his/her own gender to counter yours and the debate will never end...
I just feel we should fight for our genders or both genders if you wish(like me) and if you are comfortable with the Injustice meted on your gender(like most males) then it's fine to accept such injustice wholeheartedly but don't stop those who wanna fight against their oppression....

Michellekabod2:

Seriously the choice to accept knowledge or remain ignorant can only be made by you.
The fact doesn't care about your feelings or acceptance of it. This is a case of conscious rejection of fact because it doesn't suit your myth...the few that will learn will learn.
The vagina is temporarily more open before, during, and after sex. This is similar to the mouth stretching to yawn or eat, then returning to its usual shape.
You can argue till rapture or call people fools,that's your cup of tea....
Am done with all this ... thanks for your time

Michellekabod2:

To be honest there is no need going on this lane with any guy, talk more of a guy that accuses science of being pro-woman for revealing sex does not widen vagina.
There is no doubt men are opressed, they are oppressed as well but are comfortable with it and want women to be likewise.
It's a case of bullying two fellows,one feel she shouldn't be bullied, the other feels that since he is also bullied then you should not complain. Whenever a lady brings up an issue of oppression we have things like "men are also opressed". .True ,they are,but they embrace it wholeheartedly,they love stereotype...it's fine if they never speak up,but they should not hush the mouth of those who chose to speak up or start shaming them. It's not by force to join feminism neither is it by force to believe in patriarchy...I don't let society define me or religion (am an atheist)...I make my rules and abide by them as long no one is getting hurt. Some people have issues with others living their lives. They feel so insecure that if people don't follow some norms they will be moral decadence. I believe in the greater good of all,loving others as myself. But there must be some dweebs that must bully me for doing something that is not norm...

To be honest, males trying to play they are the victims and females trying to play they are the real victims is running circles because both genders feel cheated in one way or the other.. when you pop out an injustice meted on a gender, there will be someone from opposite gender to pop out an injustice meted on his/her own gender to counter yours and the debate will never end...
I just feel we should fight for our genders or both genders if you wish(like me) and if you are comfortable with the Injustice meted on your gender(like most males) then it's fine to accept such injustice wholeheartedly but don't stop those who wanna fight against their oppression....

Lilbest3:
I never said science is pro-woman, you can screenshot were I said that scurry back to whatever hellhole you crawled out of with your tails between you leg like the dumb coward you are

Korllami007:


You de mind her. She's trying to say a prostitute that has fvcked more than 500 different size of d*cks her vagina will still be as tight as a virgin girl.

Nothing we no go read for nairaland.

Michellekabod2:

To be honest there is no need going on this lane with any guy, talk more of a guy that accuses science of being pro-woman for revealing sex does not widen vagina.
There is no doubt men are opressed, they are oppressed as well but are comfortable with it and want women to be likewise.
It's a case of bullying two fellows,one feel she shouldn't be bullied, the other feels that since he is also bullied then you should not complain. Whenever a lady brings up an issue of oppression we have things like "men are also opressed". .True ,they are,but they embrace it wholeheartedly,they love stereotype...it's fine if they never speak up,but they should not hush the mouth of those who chose to speak up or start shaming them. It's not by force to join feminism neither is it by force to believe in patriarchy...I don't let society define me or religion (am an atheist)...I make my rules and abide by them as long no one is getting hurt. Some people have issues with others living their lives. They feel so insecure that if people don't follow some norms they will be moral decadence. I believe in the greater good of all,loving others as myself. But there must be some dweebs that must bully me for doing something that is not norm...

To be honest, males trying to play they are the victims and females trying to play they are the real victims is running circles because both genders feel cheated in one way or the other.. when you pop out an injustice meted on a gender, there will be someone from opposite gender to pop out an injustice meted on his/her own gender to counter yours and the debate will never end...
I just feel we should fight for our genders or both genders if you wish(like me) and if you are comfortable with the Injustice meted on your gender(like most males) then it's fine to accept such injustice wholeheartedly but don't stop those who wanna fight against their oppression....