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Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by Nobody: 9:08pm On Jan 20, 2013 |
@Kails, you are very good to know your history. My Jamaican ancestry is baffling, I don't attempt to go there. St Vincent was more of a refuge island for African slaves, but I can trace Indian and south American blood also. Trying to trace African heritage is confounded by ancesters who "island hopped" . I'd like to see someone show interest in an Island that is not Jamaica for once . |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by Blyss: 9:27pm On Jan 20, 2013 |
*Kails*: Hold on now, keep your panties on there woman; I didn't say anything about the comment being wrong, I just said that I didn't have any evidence of it being fact, and I am only speaking on the issue I addressed in regard to Igboland once stretching into current Cameroon lands. |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by Nobody: 9:33pm On Jan 20, 2013 |
Jamaican foods introduced by the Taino: "Jamaican cuisine includes a mixture of cooking techniques, flavors, spices and influences from the indigenous people on the island, and the Spanish, British, Africans, Indian and Chinese who have inhabited the island. It is also influenced by the crops introduced into the island from tropical Southeast Asia. Jamaican cuisine includes various dishes from the different cultures brought to the island with the arrival of people from elsewhere." Jamaican woman showing how the Taino women would grind their vegetation: "Cassava/Yuka Root" "Bammy" (Cassava cakes) ^^i dont like bammy. Jerk cause (I used to think Africans created this in Jamaica...guess not! lol) During these visits he (Columbus) described a way the Arawaks (the indigenous inhabitants of Jamaica) preserved meat by adding peppers, allspice and sea salt to make what is now known as Jamaican jerk spice Others: Batata (sweet potato) was the next most important root crop.[13] ^^Maroons STILL do this today! The “Holy Tree”, Indian Savin Tree and other cure ails ^^Maroon culture that still exists today thanks to the Tainos. Some Maroon still recite Taino folklore: Mountain Pride and other legends. |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by Nobody: 9:35pm On Jan 20, 2013 |
Faces of two Maroonian Jamaicans with Taino ancestry: (Shirley Genus from Savanna-la-Mar; Jamaica. She also displays the prominent bone structure of the Tainos.) [img]http://4.bp..com/-3LSdonZoXwI/Twy7Un-bL9I/AAAAAAAAAF4/K2IS3VGVsWw/s640/Jamaican+Yamaye+Taino+woman.jpg[/img] (Colin from the article i posted on genetics) [img]http://2.bp..com/-TDpZazm8oJM/Twy7y_XOHmI/AAAAAAAAAGA/I8FMjwoMZRw/s640/Colin+Ray+Jackson_Jamaican+Taino.jpg[/img] |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by Nobody: 9:37pm On Jan 20, 2013 |
[size=48pt]PAGAN_9JA DEBUNKED![/size] case closed! |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by Nobody: 9:39pm On Jan 20, 2013 |
Blyss: sir i addressed that and you ignored it. i said the bright of biafra is not igboland, but territory of many east nigerian and west cameroonian tribes. 1 Like |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by Nobody: 9:40pm On Jan 20, 2013 |
Flytefalls: @Kails, you are very good to know your history. My Jamaican ancestry is baffling, I don't attempt to go there. St Vincent was more of a refuge island for African slaves, but I can trace Indian and south American blood also. Trying to trace African heritage is confounded by ancesters who "island hopped" . your post seems a little suspect. i won't lie. i've had a few ppl on here claim to be Jamaican but then it turned out they were faking it like rudebwoy and black kenichi. i hope you're not one of them. no jamaican i know would say that. |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by Nobody: 9:58pm On Jan 20, 2013 |
bigfrancis21: "Eboe" is a british sirname. http://lastnames.myheritage.com/last-name/Eboe |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by Nobody: 10:05pm On Jan 20, 2013 |
^^i did more research. you guys may have a point..i said MAY! http://www.abdn.ac.uk/slavery/pdf/Topic7-LR2-SlaveryintheCaribbean.pdf Naming practices for slaves varied, but it was common for planters to give newly Caribbean (Jamaican names): |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by Nobody: 10:19pm On Jan 20, 2013 |
*Kails*:Ha! Don't I know about the faking lol. I'm just one Jamaican you don't know . Gotta rep my other half too. Well, I'm deffo 50% Jamaican although I bear a Chinese surname (paternal grandfather is fully Chinese although born in Jamaica). I am always astounded when conversations such as these cite Jamaica and little else to represent the Caribbean. But perhaps this is because more is known about this island because it is bigger and more developed. Whatever really, I ain't begging. I'm quite interested to know more about African slaves in the South Caribbean but I'll just look elsewhere |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by Nobody: 5:22am On Jan 21, 2013 |
hmmmm. ok. |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by ezeagu(m): 8:23am On Jan 21, 2013 |
Flytefalls: @Kails, you are very good to know your history. My Jamaican ancestry is baffling, I don't attempt to go there. St Vincent was more of a refuge island for African slaves, but I can trace Indian and south American blood also. Trying to trace African heritage is confounded by ancesters who "island hopped" . Like me? My favorite Islands are Dominica and Barbados. Barbados is the only majority African descended nation that has been rated with very high human development. Dominicas beauty is unmatched. Plus these guys have had more Igbo presence. And by Dominica I mean the island of Do-mi-ni-ka, not Do-mini-ka. 2 Likes |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by bigfrancis21: 9:57am On Jan 21, 2013 |
*Kails*:The AAs bearing the surname, 'eboe' are british, right? Lmao. And the jamaicans, 'betty eboe', for eg are british too right? Lmao. I'm surprised you even brought evidence forward to support the 'eboe' surname fact after disputing it and calling it 'british'. You contradict yourself a lot. Confused sister. The igbo presence in the caribbean cannot be downplayed by you no matter how hard you try. |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by ezeagu(m): 10:21am On Jan 21, 2013 |
*Kails*: Eboe is actually a name some Igbo people bear, like this guy: Chile Eboe-Osuji. If you search Eboe in academic resources there's only one reference you'll get. The site seems to go back where the person registered from, the person is probably Igbo even. I searched Chukwu, it's also a British surname according to them. http://lastnames.myheritage.com/last-name/Chukwu 1 Like |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by Nobody: 10:44am On Jan 21, 2013 |
ezeagu:Yes, like you!!!! ROFL at bolded!!! Yes, Do-Mi-NEE-KA! I love being A British Jamaican-Chinese Vincentian, but loving is not enough. Now is the time for me to start "knowing". *holds head* |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by bigfrancis21: 11:04am On Jan 21, 2013 |
ezeagu:Not to talk of many igbo people that bear 'igbo' as surname or many derivatives of it such as 'igbokwe', 'igboanugo', 'igboamaeze', etc. |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by tpia5: 3:06pm On Jan 21, 2013 |
Ibo or eboe is just as likely to be of portuguese origin as it is british, going by these claims. And since the term ibo itself was applied to a part of nigeria, by westerners during the slave trade, these claims might not be too far fetched, upon further analysis. |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by Nobody: 3:27pm On Jan 21, 2013 |
bigfrancis21: where have i contradicted myself sir? A lot you say? Show me. Yes, do show me how i've contradicted myself when i was clearly discussing how another site claimed Eboe is also a European sirname...i then (unlike you) went and did MORE research to see that some slaves did get named after their ethnic groups. Hmmmm....contradicting? or is it me (unlike you) trying to know the facts? and when have i EVER denied igbo presence in Jamaica? Please do show me...*ill wait* if you can't tell the difference between "NOT ALL AFRICANS SENT TO THE NEW WORLD FROM AFRICA, MUCH LESS THE BRIGHT OF BIAFRA WERE IGBO (as you claimed lol) ALSO THAT IGBOS DID NOT ACCOUNT FOR 70-90 PERCENT OF OUR ANCESTRY" and "THERE WERE NO IGBOS IN JAMAICA/CARIBBEAN" then you sir need help. I'm a proud Jamaican descendant who took time to know the history of my people. You won't use my history to play this "who had more influence" game...not on my watch sir. Again, show me. And @ Blyss I am still waiting for the name of that documentary...it's been a week now. |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by Nobody: 3:40pm On Jan 21, 2013 |
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Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by Nobody: 3:44pm On Jan 21, 2013 |
*Kails*: ^^that's what i said. i've highlighted my points in case you don't understand the point. the black folks in the west with names like "eboe" are just as mixed as the rest of us. not even they are only/mostly igbo. we've been out here since the 1600s sir (1500s if you're caribbean - damn!), there is no way to only name one tribe as our ancestral group. DNA testing only traces back 5 generations and then they will claim the ancestry that comes out the most...but its still not enough to tell us ALL of our ancestry and it never will. 1 Like |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by PAGAN9JA(m): 5:09pm On Jan 21, 2013 |
*Kails*: YOU FOO.LISH WOMAN! HOW AM I DEBUNKED?! you are stating everything i know and said earlier, in that the full-blooded Taino AS A TRIBE are extinct today and they have assimiliated with Afro-Jamos to form you today! |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by PAGAN9JA(m): 5:10pm On Jan 21, 2013 |
*Kails*: i liked this. |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by Nobody: 6:54pm On Jan 21, 2013 |
PAGAN 9JA: even that statement is false. there are still full blooded or those who are genetically mostly tainos in south america and the caribbean mainly cuba and puerto rico. PAGAN 9JA: what kind of cookie would you like? |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by PAGAN9JA(m): 6:56pm On Jan 21, 2013 |
*Kails*: ONLY FULL BLOODED CARIBS ARE LEFT! SHOW ME PROOF! |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by Nobody: 7:09pm On Jan 21, 2013 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As01jVTvLVI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y-iWkjenHw these people gave my island it's name. Jamaica = XAYMACA = land of wood and water. they are my ppl too. interesting article about Tainos in cuba: “Indians have appeared in the record ever since,” said Hartmann. Indigenous people established the city of Jiguaní in 1701 and formed the all-native Hatuey Regiment in the Cuban war against Spain in 1895. José Martí, founding father of Cuba’s independence movement, frequently mentioned Indians in his war diary. Mark Harrington, an American archaeologist conducting fieldwork in 1915 and 1919, found natives still hanging on in eastern Cuba. He was followed—in the 1950s, ’60s and ’70s—by anthropologists who scoured the region recording the skeletal structure, blood type and other physical attributes of Cuban villagers with indigenous ancestry. “So if you look to the past,” said Hartmann, “you see this long record of Indians living here. Anyone who says otherwise is speaking from ignorance.” |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by Nobody: 7:10pm On Jan 21, 2013 |
PAGAN 9JA: im not really interested in showing you anything to be honest. tainos are of no concern to you sir. caribs too are mixed. anyway...i'm out. |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by PAGAN9JA(m): 7:16pm On Jan 21, 2013 |
*Kails*: go run away. . Caribs are mixed (which makes them non-Caribs). however there are full-blooded Caribs left unlike Tainos. |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by Nobody: 8:00pm On Jan 21, 2013 |
lol @ go run away. not running. i'm just through with the thread. i've made all of my points. |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by bigfrancis21: 10:29pm On Jan 21, 2013 |
*Kails*:Lmao. So i've become a tribalist just because i'm fighting the igbo cause, my own tribe? Did I go into name-calling of other Nigerian tribes? As you fight for your jamaican cause, what does that make you? A confused jamaican tribalist? Loll. I'm not sure you actually know what the word you used means. Another aspect of your big confusion! You're hiding under the cover of being mixed and all that. True that may seem. However, you can't claim all ancestries to be in your lineage. By doing so you only add to your unquestionable confusion since you have no specific identity, swinging from here to there, not knowing where you belong to. Like I did advise you before, take the DNA test. The DNA testing goes way beyond 5 generations. Don't give me all that bull statement. I'm well versed in the subject of genetics. The 'y' chromosome is passed down unadulterated and directly from father to his son(s), and then his g-son(s), and so on. Nature has made it so for the 'y' chromosome to be preserved thus. Get a male paternal blood relation on your line, esp your brother or father, to donate some blood sample, his 'y' chromosome is then tested and traced back to the tribe his first male ancestor came from. On your maternal side, since the mitochondrial dna is only gotten from the mother which she got from her own mother and so on, your mtdna is tested and traced back from you to your mother to your grandmother to your greatgrandmother..., to the very region your first maternal ancestor came from. These two separate tests are specific and only point to one or two tribes for each lineage testing, therefore ruling out the probability of having more than one paternal/maternal ancestry. In other words, if an akan man marries an ewe woman and they bear a son, paternally, he is akan. In 5 generations to come all future male sons are akan, paternally, since they all inherited the same akan 'y' chromosome even though their mothers may have come from all over the world. Now this 'y' exclusive pattern of inheritance is termed father-to-son sex-linked inheritance in genetics. The other remaining 44 chromosomes (23 from both parents - 46 total, out of which two are the sex chromosomes that determine the sex of the individual, either xx or xy) are called the autosomal chromosomes and this is where inter-tribal admixtures/mixings show up. It is the unique, and natural mixing of these 44 chromosomes that determine the physical characteristics of an offspring. This is what accounts for a man with yoruba father who looks instead a lot like his maternal igbo relations. Yet he is yoruba, paternally. Or a man with both ibibio parents who resembles his maternal efik grandmother (mother's dad ibibio, mother's mom efik). Or a boy child who looks every bit like his mother and very little like the father. Or the case of a black couple who has white children (due to having one/two white ancestors in both of the parents lineages yet both parents are BLACK). DNA testing on the 44 autosomes reveals how singular or mixed an individual is in ancestry - whether he's of european/spanish/native american/african combined ancestries or singular, and their respective percentages. In a nutshell, your y chromosome points to one paternal ancestry, your mtdna to one maternal ancestry and your remaining 44 autosomal chromosomes to other possible mixtures/ancestries. Having said all these, go and take the test, get to know your actual ancestry and have a true sense of belonging/obligation. Stop the unnecessary swinging. Peace out. |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by Nobody: 4:56am On Jan 22, 2013 |
you clearly don't have enough common sense to get a grasp of what I have posted. You simply don't and it's a shame you'd actually assume I or anyone in the west are only "one thing" much less all igbo. im making up we are a mix of different tribes now? i am not asking you, but telling you at this point. Akan men used to marry Igbo women in droves in Jamaica. Add the Kongo ppls and other african tribes to the mix. All of them mixed with each other sir. And these tests ONLY go back 5 generations and even then there are inaccuracies as there is this thing called genetic "bias". http://www.family-genealogy.com/GenealogyDNATesting.html accuracy statement from AfricanAncestry.com Our tests are not designed to tell you the ancestry of all of the many lineages that make up who you are. They are designed to determine the ancestry of a direct maternal lineage or a direct paternal lineage. If you want to find out the ancestry of other branches of your family tree, you must enlist other family members to take a test. You have hundreds of other ancestors that could have come from very different places in Africa (or elsewhere in the world). We provide you insight on one of them at a time. On haitian history (this same tactic was used in all western colonies btw): Mixing the different African tribes with each other, was a tactic used by the French as well as the other Europeans to keep African slaves from revolting or rebelling. For example, if all spoke the same language there would be a higher chance in communicating and revolting; as appose to those who spoke a different languages and possible conflicts already from being in different tribes, would create chaos which gave the European the advantages in control of the Africans. PERIOD, POINT BLANK! African Americans likewise all blacks in the west are too mixed to just be from one tribe. 2 Likes |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by Blyss: 5:33am On Jan 22, 2013 |
*Kails*: Whoa, whoa!! Don't be adding us into your foolish talk. Stick with talking about Jamaicans with that mess you're talking. |
Re: African-Americans And Their Igbo Roots by Nobody: 5:37am On Jan 22, 2013 |
interesting.... http://www.africanamerica.org/displayForumTopic/content/259402018324926621 As medical anthropologist Sandra Lee of Stanford University told me, "Proving parenthood is relatively simple. You get half of your DNA from each parent. That same equation makes it very difficult to prove deep lineage. You get only half of the DNA from each generation. After three generations, that's a half of a half of a half. You might not be carrying any identifiable DNA from any one specific ancestor." these dna tests will only show that there is some of a specific tribe in us (most common within the 5 generations which would then be compared to a living african on the continent to show there was a common ancestor) but it is impossible to state all of the tribes that make up who we are because we are too mixed up. It'll NEVER HAPPEN. the only way anyone on our side could be all of anything is if their ppl stayed in one spot all throughout the slave trade, through the centuries and only married each other...this NEVER happened lol. 1 Like |
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