Ishilove:

Don't mind him. All he and his ilk are interested in is how to blaspheme and thus go about it lickity-split, no sense whatever.

The guy cant just resist anti Christian conversation.
Even if its to vomit anything
Thats his Phd

bennyann:


To you I'm always making things up and I think this time, it's because I thought deeper than you putting every victim into my concern.

Haven't you heard of a surrogate mother trying to have access to the child before?

Like you don't know because you signed up for something doesn't mean within you, you're all in.

if THIS is your reason, then you shouldn't have implied "adoption is better"

because we also have women who gave their children up for adoption trying to have access to the child

then again I'm of the opinion that surrogacy is infact much better than adoption cuz many of the adopters have next to no clue where the child is coming from, perhaps kidnapped? perhaps the mother was killed for her child? etc

randomperson:

[s]Abegii...

Come up with something new for once. U just keep churning out the same inane comments.....
Or are you a programmed robot?
[/s]

Must you really be foolish?
U try and make sense for once na.
Haba

felixomor:

Mr man,
You dont know how the body of Christ works.

.The body of Christ works in tandem with the directions of the holy spirit. The bible says, the holy spirit will teach us ALL things. So if you want to know if surrogacy is a sin you ask the spirit

Oya, let's speak in tongues together-

Drefkohdszfhiydsskj sredcfuuiddsarhjij essrtukijhhc

randomperson:

.The body of Christ works in tandem with the directions of the holy spirit. The bible says, the holy spirit will teach us ALL things. So if you want to know if surrogacy is a sin you ask the spirit

Oya, let's speak in tongues together-

Drefkohdszfhiydsskj sredcfuuiddsarhjij essrtukijhhc

lend me a quarter so I can buy these Christians a clue

randomperson:

.[s]The body of Christ works in tandem with the directions of the holy spirit. The bible says, the holy spirit will teach us ALL things. So if you want to know if surrogacy is a sin you ask the spirit

Oya, let's speak in tongues together-

Drefkohdszfhiydsskj sredcfuuiddsarhjij essrtukijhhc[/s]

Please dissapoint me once.
Say something that is not foolish

KingEbukasBlog:
Is it right in the 'eyes of God' for a single Christian man who has never married before to bear children through surrogacy ? You know just to circumvent fornication which is a sin .

Sorry I am late to the discussion. I think searching the Bible, you will discover there was actually surrogacy. Not the scientific kind we have today. Hagar served as a surrogate to Abraham and Sarah. I don't think God was angry with Abraham for doing that even though God had promised him that he will have a son through sarah. As we know, in Gen 17:20, God blessed Ishmael as well. But the problem was, Abraham was married and couldn't bear children. A young man who isn't married shouldn't be doing that. God created marriage for many reasons and one of them was to multiply and have children. When you start doing it outside God's arrangement, it becomes a sin.

ilynem:

Sorry I am late to the discussion. I think searching the Bible, you will discover there was actually surrogacy. Not the scientific kind we have today. Hagar served as a surrogate to Abraham and Sarah. I don't think God was angry with Abraham for doing that even though God had promised him that he will have a son through sarah. As we know, in Gen 17:20, God blessed Ishmael as well. But the problem was, Abraham was married and couldn't bear children. A young man who isn't married shouldn't be doing that. God created marriage for many reasons and one of them was to multiply and have children. When you start doing it outside God's arrangement, it becomes a sin.

truckload of sense!

nice one!!!

hopefulLandlord:


truckload of sense!

nice one!!!

Gracias.

but Ilynem, what you described as "surrogacy" is totally different from what we know as surrogacy these days

I.e Hagar served as surrogate to "Abraham" alone NOT both, the child is not Sara's

its only these days surrogacy can be done for both in one child

a sperm can be gotten from husband, egg from wife and both (after some processes) gets inserted into the "surrogate" who then gives birth

here's the kicker though, after the birth if the child, the child is medically NOT a child of the surrogate, a DNA test would turn out negative between the child and surrogate mother but would turn positive for the "Wife" and "Husband"

most people that do these do so to maintain their (wife's) shape while still having children

just wanted to clarify that oart

hopefulLandlord:


if THIS is your reason, then you shouldn't have implied "adoption is better"

because we also have women who gave their children up for adoption trying to have access to the child

then again I'm of the opinion that surrogacy is infact much better than adoption cuz many of the adopters have next to no clue where the child is coming from, perhaps kidnapped? perhaps the mother was killed for her child? etc

That's more reason why we should adopt them young and train them. Besides there are well organized structures for adopting children, just as there are for choosing surrogate mothers. So you will have no problems at all if the origin of the homeless babies are your problem. If we all decide not to adopt because we know not their origination story, then who would take care of them?

But my parents have found a baby in the gutter before, it really pained them because the elders decided for the baby to be given to the barren. My dad had to select a couple he knows will be very wonderful to the baby. Up till now, my dad acts like a father to him eventhough the child isn't in his care. And do you know how wonderful he's grown to be? I don't see the need for seeing all these children and you do nothing to help them but go after finding a child of your seed, whom you don't want to care about the owner of the other seed added to yours.

That doesn't make sense to me. I prefer making other people happier and do for them what I would have done for my kids before I start having kids of my own in a joyful way, in a way that wouldn't bring sadness to anybody not even for some seconds in the future.

Any good person will feel fulfilled that way.

Which one shows more love?

As a Christian if you don't want to get married, then don't insert your sperm into a woman's vag.ina. That's my thinking and yes, I feel so good about it.

Adoption is better my friend. The child should be allowed to grow to a stage he can now make decisions of his own. So it will be left for the child if he wants to stay with the biological parents or not. Whatever the decision, the good you've done will fight for you.

The man can easily see a faithful woman that will convince him to marry because of that good deed done to unwanted children. It's highly possible. We have right to our opinions but I'm sure we know which one demonstrates a higher love and a lower level of selfish fulfillment.

Besides, I thought surrogates were meant mostly for gays apart from those having medical issues. That's another story entirely though

ScepticalPyrrho:
I'm here to read comments.

Science, making sin, right and wrong, harder to define as we know more about the universe.

You cannot use a 2000-year-old text to solve some 21st century problems.

felixomor:

Please dissapoint me once.
Say something that is not foolish

So it's foolish to say the holy spirit will teach us all things??

U know it was Christ that said that , Right? Brother Felix, are u saying Christ is foolish?

Ranchhoddas:
You cannot use a 2000-year-old text to solve MOST* 21st century problems.

Fixed (*)

randomperson:

So it's foolish to say the holy spirit will teach us all things??

U know it was Christ that said that , Right? Brother Felix, are u saying Christ is foolish?

Its foolish to quote what u know zero about.
Thats foolishness.

Next

hopefulLandlord:


truckload of sense!

nice one!!!

you can never see KEB and his ass licking, peter griffin esque sidekick having sense like this

felixomor:


Its foolish to quote what u know zero about.
Thats foolishness.

Next

What I know zero about ?? The same guy that said the Egyptians had an agreement with Yahweh.

Olodo!!

randomperson:

What I know zero about ?? The same guy that said the Egyptians had an agreement with Yahweh.

Olodo!!

Hahahaha.
You had to start telling lies having seen your foolishness ba?
Mumudeen

hopefulLandlord:
but Ilynem, what you described as "surrogacy" is totally different from what we know as surrogacy these days

I.e Hagar served as surrogate to "Abraham" alone NOT both, the child is not Sara's

its only these days surrogacy can be done for both in one child

a sperm can be gotten from husband, egg from wife and both (after some processes) gets inserted into the "surrogate" who then gives birth

here's the kicker though, after the birth if the child, the child is medically NOT a child of the surrogate, a DNA test would turn out negative between the child and surrogate mother but would turn positive for the "Wife" and "Husband"

most people that do these do so to maintain their (wife's) shape while still having children

just wanted to clarify that oart

I think the original plan was for the child to be Sarah and Abraham's because Sarah tried to take the child but Hagar but Hagar refused. So she served as a surrogate to both Abraham and Sarah. Scientifically, the child belonged to Abraham and Hagar, but Sarah planned to claim the child. Scientifically, that is incorrect because the child had nothing to do with Sarah, but those folks weren't Nobel price winners in science.
Now as for taking a sperm and egg and placing it in another woman, I don't know why people do it. But if the major reason is to keep the shape of a wife, you and I will agree that that is just plain dumb. As a Christian, I will call it sin. As a skeptic, you will call it madness.
I believe Surrogacy should be done in the arrangement of marriage for a serious medical reason. Anything outside that is sin.

felixomor:

Hahahaha.
You had to start telling lies having seen your foolishness ba?
Mumudeen

What's this one saying like this?

It's like Jesus' foolishness is rubbing off on you

randomperson:

[s] What's this one saying like this?

It's like Jesus' foolishness is rubbing off on you
[/s]

I beg u please.
Say something that is not foolish.
Biko

felixomor:

I beg u please.
Say something that is not foolish.
Biko

U keep repeating the same thing. I don't understand.

Are you incapable of thinking of something new?
I mean, even if you want to display your idiocy, it doesn't have to be the same brand of idiocy every single time

randomperson:

[s] U keep repeating the same thing. I don't understand.

Are you incapable of thinking of something new?
I mean, even if you want to display your idiocy, it doesn't have to be the same brand of idiocy every single time[/s]

Why wont i repeatedly beg u
When you have refused to have sense?
Haba

felixomor:

Why wont i repeatedly beg u
When you have refused to have sense?
Haba

Mein... Boring

felixomor:

You have never made sense in any discussion. Not even on a Monday morning. Sad

You even get time dey respond to a man who has no bearing. What do you expect from a Randomperson?

randomperson:


Mein... Boring

Phew

ilynem:

I think the original plan was for the child to be Sarah and Abraham's because Sarah tried to take the child but Hagar but Hagar refused. So she served as a surrogate to both Abraham and Sarah. Scientifically, the child belonged to Abraham and Hagar, but Sarah planned to claim the child. Scientifically, that is incorrect because the child had nothing to do with Sarah, but those folks weren't Nobel price winners in science.
Now as for taking a sperm and egg and placing it in another woman, I don't know why people do it. But if the major reason is to keep the shape of a wife, you and I will agree that that is just plain dumb. As a Christian, I will call it sin. As a skeptic, you will call it madness.
I believe Surrogacy should be done in the arrangement of marriage for a serious medical reason. Anything outside that is sin.

good points, but as a skeptic, I won't call it madness cuz I somehow understand the reason behind the deed for most people

there are people in showbiz who are a loss of shape away from losing their means of livelihood, have you ever seen a fat CNN news broadcaster? how many fat Hollywood actresses do you know? how many fat Nollywood actresses do you know? I'm pretty sure you can count them on one hand, at most both hands and I'm almost certain you don't know them by their real name but remember thee characters they played (talking Hollywood)

as for thin shapely actresses, they're numerous, too numerous to mention, then again most of these actresses have been in showbiz all their lives, that's the only way they know how to make money, many of them are not even well educated and even if they were, there's a huge stepdown between earning millions of pounds for a week's work and earning tens of thousands in a year

so what they're left with is trying their best to make their careers last as long as possible, they perform all sorts of exercises, adjust their feeding habits, sleeping habits, waking habits etc to keep their weight under control; but birth of a baby has ruined a great many careers and they'll never know the effect having a baby would have on their body till they have the baby and sometimes its too late! movie contracts start reducing to nonexistent levels, endorsements start getting cancelled or not being renewed, modelling contracts get cancelled etc


enough of this sermon, I just wouldn't call most of them mad

hopefulLandlord:




see what I mean?

https://www.nairaland.com/3844519/meaninglessness-deep-personal-relationship-jesus

Honestly, all I see here is ignorance on your part and nothing else

analice107:
You even get time dey respond to a man who has no bearing. What do you expect from a Randomperson?

Nice one

Pidgin2:



Honestly, all I see here is ignorance on your part and nothing else

Thank u jare.

Pidgin2:



Honestly, all I see here is ignorance on your part and nothing else

of course!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLBDFe3mDtk

hopefulLandlord:


good points, but as a skeptic, I won't call it madness cuz I somehow understand the reason behind the deed for most people

there are people in showbiz who are a loss of shape away from losing their means of livelihood, have you ever seen a fat CNN news broadcaster? how many fat Hollywood actresses do you know? how many fat Nollywood actresses do you know? I'm pretty sure you can count them on one hand, at most both hands and I'm almost certain you don't know them by their real name but remember thee characters they played (talking Hollywood)

as for thin shapely actresses, they're numerous, too numerous to mention, then again most of these actresses have been in showbiz all their lives, that's the only way they know how to make money, many of them are not even well educated and even if they were, there's a huge stepdown between earning millions of pounds for a week's work and earning tens of thousands in a year

so what they're left with is trying their best to make their careers last as long as possible, they perform all sorts of exercises, adjust their feeding habits, sleeping habits, waking habits etc to keep their weight under control; but birth of a baby has ruined a great many careers and they'll never know the effect having a baby would have on their body till they have the baby and sometimes its too late! movie contracts start reducing to nonexistent levels, endorsements start getting cancelled or not being renewed, modelling contracts get cancelled etc


enough of this sermon, I just wouldn't call most of them mad

If they are sane and have the money, why won't they help humanity by adopting already existing children in orphanages, streets, from abusive parents etc. What makes a child your own is more than donating egg or sperm rather it is by parenting which includes care, nurturing, providing, teaching etc this is what truly makes one a parent and it can be fulfilled through adoption rather than opting for surrogacy with all its complications