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Politics / Re: Top Five Largest Ethnicities In The North West by scholes0(m): 9:10pm On Apr 19 |
garfield1: Maybe you misunderstood the question I asked. Fuanis do not dominate Taraba state. They are minorities there. Even in Jalingo. Their highest concentrations are in the Gashaka, Lau, Gassol and Karim Lamido, which are all already multiethnic areas. Again which states do Fulanis dominate where they do not produce governor? 2 Likes |
Politics / Re: Top Five Largest Ethnicities In The North West by scholes0(m): 7:40pm On Apr 19 |
garfield1: How do Fulanis dominate Taraba? looool There is no state Fulanis dominante where they do not consistently emerge as the state governors. Give one example if it exists. 1 Like |
Politics / Re: Top Five Largest Ethnicities In The North West by scholes0(m): 8:55pm On Apr 18 |
FiftyFifty: Yauri, Darazo, Ibbi etc are not Fulani words. Also, that some of those local governments were named after Fulani people or words from Fulfulde does not necessarily mean that the fulanis are the majority demographic in them. Case in point is Sardauna which is dominated by the Mambilla with the Fulanis there being a minority. Virtually all the places you have listed are highly multi ethnic and diverse. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Top Five Largest Ethnicities In The North West by scholes0(m): 8:28pm On Apr 18 |
Gbagyi is Kaduna and Zamfara, not Kebbi. |
Culture / Re: Ownership Crisis: Igodomigodo Asks Oba Of Benin To Return To Ile-ife by scholes0(m): 11:02pm On Apr 07 |
tollyboy5: Political name given to SouthWest people kill you. When did 'Southwest people' start being a real thing? Olodo. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Culture / Re: Ownership Crisis: Igodomigodo Asks Oba Of Benin To Return To Ile-ife by scholes0(m): 11:38am On Apr 07 |
tollyboy5: Just talking rubbish which confidence. Bini itself na almost 50% Yoruba ancestrally. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Politics / Re: See The Most Built Up States In Nigeria. by scholes0(m): 5:43am On Mar 31 |
Slytiger: Beneficiary, not benefactor. 1 Like |
Politics / Re: See The Most Built Up States In Nigeria. by scholes0(m): 5:35am On Mar 31 |
Ogene001: Ibadan might be surrounded by bush, but when measured, the area of Ibadan's built up landscape alone will swallow thousands of square kilometers of medium density vilage sprawl typical of the SE landscape. The advantage to the Yoruba settlement pattern is also that they have ample virgin land to embark of novel mega projects closer to their city cores without displacing too many people in the countryside; like the brand new ring road infrastructure that is currently being built to encircle the whole of Ibadan or the Ibadan dry port unlike the East where such developers would suffer to find large continuous tracts of land free of human 'obstructions' by way of villages and might eventually have to resort to moving very far away from the intended service area of the project.... 3 Likes |
Politics / Re: See The Most Built Up States In Nigeria. by scholes0(m): 5:10am On Mar 31 |
Ogene001: Who told you Gombe is small? Gombe is small in the North, not in the south. Bayelsa is swamp normally and is extremely hard to build up. As for Ekiti, it is on the list. So are you saying it is more developed than the FCT which isn't on the list? 3 Likes |
Politics / Re: See The Most Built Up States In Nigeria. by scholes0(m): 6:46pm On Mar 30 |
Just a fancy word for Population density. The smaller states will naturally be more compact. But by the time you do the math, you will see that the SW is the most urbanized zone in Nigeria by miles, with the largest total area of built up zones. You can see that all the states there are mostly the smaller states except Ogun state whose population has already surpassed 10 million by now, pushing it into the list. 17 Likes 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Olumide Akpata Music (Video) by scholes0(m): 8:47am On Mar 18 |
Udazi: Read this. Learn to follow thread contents before quoting ppl pls. Your Italian-French analogy only proves the point. High degree of lexical similarity but difficulty in two way communication because of various other linguistic factors. scholes0: 2 Likes |
Politics / Re: Olumide Akpata Music (Video) by scholes0(m): 6:58pm On Mar 11 |
oyatz: You are comparing two things that are within the same set (SE Yoruba and NW Yoruba) to something that is not within their set and is in a different set all together, (Edo language). SE Yoruba native speakers can not understand ordinary 'come' in Edo language. You can do broad based analysis, but your initial remark was way off vis-a-vis the two language groups. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Olumide Akpata Music (Video) by scholes0(m): 3:01pm On Mar 11 |
oyatz: Exactly. But not just as a result of empire alone. The grammar and sound inventory of Edo is actually said to be reduced compared to the Northern Edoid languages like Ososo or Weppa Wanno as a result of migratory denudation. 1 Like 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Olumide Akpata Music (Video) by scholes0(m): 2:59pm On Mar 11 |
oyatz: Yoruba language includes the Southeast Yoruba dialects. The main difference between Oyo dialects and their SE counterparts is mostly that the Central and SE dialects are more conservative and have a stronger archaic (original) inventory as compared to Oyo which has a simpler structure and is less conservative. Edo on the other hand is a different language all together. You can't be putting Edo and SE Yoruba in the same bracket and then comparing both to Oyo as if they were the same thing. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Olumide Akpata Music (Video) by scholes0(m): 2:47am On Mar 11 |
Ologbo147: Read this part, I added it after. Can they (Esan and Benin) communicate smoothly apart from Igueben people? scholes0: 1 Like |
Politics / Re: Olumide Akpata Music (Video) by scholes0(m): 2:44am On Mar 11 |
Ologbo147: But you know Usen's case is unique compared to these examples. These ones learned Ika and Ndokwa respectively because of proximity. Usen people speak a Yoruba dialect because of both ancestry and proximity. And that is why even though their history points to Ife, their dialect is closer to an eastern Yoruba dialect like Ikale or Idanre, and not a central dialect like Ife. Because the Eastern Yoruba and the Edos became their immediate neighbours over time, so they picked up both dialects. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Olumide Akpata Music (Video) by scholes0(m): 2:34am On Mar 11 |
Ologbo147: While this may be true though, lexical similarity is just one factor that determines mutual comprehensibility. There are also things like language structure/grammar/arrangement, evolved divergent tones and inflections, speed of speech, use or lack thereof originally universal terms that are retained or dropped etc. What is the real life experience of people (native speakers of these languages) trying to understand the other will be the real determinant of how much they can communicate. Linguistics for example say Igala and central Yoruba are share about 60% lexical similarity. in practical terms however, I doubt a Lagosian can even understand one third (35%) of Igala. But if Benins and Esans do actually understand 91% of one another IRL, then surely both languages and even identities should have since merged into one. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Olumide Akpata Music (Video) by scholes0(m): 2:11am On Mar 11 |
Ologbo147: Sure, they are al Edoid languages. |
Politics / Re: Olumide Akpata Music (Video) by scholes0(m): 2:06am On Mar 11 |
Ologbo147: Are we not in this Nigeria? Those who want to use it as agenda will surely use it. I still heard at least 3 Esans call Olumide "That Yoruba guy from Edo south" today alone and what I am saying is that it completely makes sense why they would refer to him as such. If someones name is Shola Elawure or Abiodun Okpeseyi from Usen, is he a Yoruba or Benin man? 1 Like 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Olumide Akpata Music (Video) by scholes0(m): 2:02am On Mar 11 |
Ologbo147: Well, in truth the Owan dialects are actually more like a continuum. Some parts are closer to Esan, some parts like Warrake and Ivbiaro are closer to Yekhee and they understand Auchi more than they do their fellow 'Owans'. Some like Otuo and Ikhin are their own thing entirely with plenty Yoruba loan words. Luleha is more central. But don't comletely discount that linguistic appraisal that the Edoid languages actually originated in the North and streamed downwards. Even Yoruboid is the same. The dialects closer to the Niger-Benue confluence are older than the ones in the interior south west. 1 Like 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Olumide Akpata Music (Video) by scholes0(m): 1:42am On Mar 11 |
Ologbo147:Do you know there is a very popular linguistic theory that the Northern Edoid languages are actually the ones closer to proto Edo than Benin (Edo language) and not the other way round? They are actually the more conservative Edoid languages compared to Benin. Some Ora dialects like that of Ozalla are closer to Esan than Esan is to Benin. 1 Like |
Politics / Re: Olumide Akpata Music (Video) by scholes0(m): 1:35am On Mar 11 |
Ologbo147: How can his Obazuaye, Ize and Obasohan side which is maternal be more important than his Erha (Ogbebor)º side though? If some Edo people call him a Yoruba person , they wouldn't be completely wrong. On the meaning of certain Benin chieftaincies/aristocratic terms and titles i.e (Obazuaye, Ologbosere, Osodi, Esogban etc) being originally Yoruba etymologically, trust me, I know what I am talking about, but even if we argue til tomorrow, u no go gree, lol, but its okay. Let's just keep it at that. 1 Like 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Olumide Akpata Music (Video) by scholes0(m): 1:24am On Mar 11 |
Ologbo147: Yes it has come a long way in Edo historically no one is disputing that, but as you can also see, their Ife links are very obvious for everyone to see. All his Ogbebor n'Usen family side have Yoruba names. Ogbebor left Usen for Benin with the sanction of Olu Awure in 1819. He prospered and became a big family there (Infact, one of the biggest and most influential in Benin) and got chieftaincy from Oba. Anyways, their family is an example of one of those family clans in Benin that bridge both sides. I won't be surprised if they greet Lauhe. 1 Like 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Olumide Akpata Music (Video) by scholes0(m): 1:15am On Mar 11 |
Ologbo147: lol, you are saying the same thing as I am. It is an Edo chieftaincy today but has obtained a slightly unique connotation in Edo parlance. Just like Kpataki and the Osodin, another ibiwe chief. At any rate, Olumide is from Usen originally. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Olumide Akpata Music (Video) by scholes0(m): 1:05am On Mar 11 |
Ologbo147: Obazuaye of Ibiwe class actually comes from the Yoruba phrase 'Oba ju aye' - The king is more than the world'. In other words, the Oba choses the pleasure anyone enjoys in this life. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Hardship: Have You Seen Any Igbo Complaining? – Igboho Asks Yoruba Elders by scholes0(m): 12:11am On Feb 24 |
What sort of lying propaganda is this? LOL Is that what Igboho said? He never said anything like what this blogger put in his fake ass fable called report. He didn't even mention Igbo once except where he mentioned the three major tribes in Nigeria, and that was it.. 42 Likes 1 Share |
Culture / Re: The Yoruba Origin Of The GA People In Ghana by scholes0(m): 9:46pm On Feb 22 |
Konquest: Bro this is wrong again, lol. Muhamman Makau was the last Hausa (Haabe) Emir of Zazzau (Zaria) before it was conquered by the Fulani (Fulbe) under one Mallam Musa which ushered the new dynasty which his descendants continue to rule in Zaria till today as Fulani emirs. After the defeat of Makau in 1804, he was forced to flee southwards into Gbagyi land with many of his followers. It was there that he tried to set up a mirror kingdom of his kingdom which he had now lost to the Fulbes. He settled at Zuba, and from there he started attacking some of the Gbagyi, Koro and Nupe villages. It was in one of these raids on Lapai (A Nupe town now in Niger state) that he met his waterloo and was killed at the gates of Lapai. When he died, his younger brother, son of Ishiaku Jatau, popularly nicknamed Abu-Ja (Abu the red) left Zuba and founded a new village which he began walling around 1829. It was this new village that became Abuja. That town he built is now the well known city of Suleja in Niger state. The current Abuja capital city is not the Abuja build by the exiled Hausas of Zaria. The original Abuja renamed itself to Suleja after the emir ruling there in 1975 when the federal capital was moved from Lagos (Suleiman Barau). The new capital city was to take their original name. Anyways, the person known as Abu the Red was actually an HAUSA person not Fulani. And neither did he lead a raid of Jihadists upon the Gbagyi. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Culture / Re: The Yoruba Origin Of The GA People In Ghana by scholes0(m): 8:50pm On Feb 22 |
Konquest: Touché 1 Like |
Culture / Re: The Yoruba Origin Of The GA People In Ghana by scholes0(m): 8:28pm On Feb 22 |
Konquest:Also on the bolded parts, the Guan are not 100 = Gonja, it isn't a 1 to 1 identification. The Gonja are a subset of the larger Guan people. They just happen to be the biggest and most popular subset. You can't call Guang people Gonja, the Guan are found in ALL the regions of Ghana; Asante, Volta, Brong, Ahafo, North, Eastern E.tc as aborigines (which is testament to their ancient status as first comers) and the Gonja are just a single group of Guans found in a particular/specific region of the country. All Gonja are Guan but not all Guans are Gonja, there is still Awutu, Logba, Avatime, Larteh, Cerepong, Etc I hope you understand? 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Culture / Re: The Yoruba Origin Of The GA People In Ghana by scholes0(m): 8:23pm On Feb 22 |
Konquest: Not quite true. The word Gonja is a mispronunciation of what the Gonja call themselves , The Gbanja of Gbanya. Yes, Kolanut trade settled upon this region for much of the West African middle ages and that is why the kind of kola originally gotten from there (2 lobed Kola) is still called Obi Gbanja by the Yoruba (Who also participated in this criss-cross West African trade) till today. Obi Gbanja and Obi Abata, the two popular Kolanut types. Hausa would most often mispronounce the "Gb" phoneme which they lack as [Gw] not as [Go]. Case in point, the Hausa call the Gbari/Gbagyi people 'Gwari', not 'Gari''. In the same line, [Kp] becomes [Kw] e.g Akpoto becomes Kwoto. (Egbira Akpoto = Ebira Kwoto in Hausa) The Yoruba word 'Pana-pana' (pronounced; Kpana -Kpana) becomes Kwana-Kwana. Etc. An Hausa mispronunciation would have called them Gwanja and not Gonja. Gonja is not a derivation of an Hausa word, although I wouldn't be surprised if some gonja people themselves have accepted this false premise. Many Gonjas speak Hausa already. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Culture / Re: The Yoruba Origin Of The GA People In Ghana by scholes0(m): 6:52pm On Feb 22 |
Konquest: Dankwa (Danquah) I think was the first Akan man to espouse and add an actual academic touch to the 'first' or 'foremost' etymology for the word Akan, which previously has just been folk etymology. The Akan are the speakers of the languages based majorly on and around the Tano river, they share certain cultural similarities to varied degrees. They can be majorly subdivided into the Akan proper mostly based in Ghana and the Bia cluster mostly based in Ivory Coast around the Bia river.The Bia only share limited similarities with the Akan proper. The Gonja people of central and northern Ghana who have ben heavily influenced by Islamic sahelian cultures such as Manding and Hausa are actually Guan. The Guan people still have connections with the Akan (both are still Tano languages). And yes, the number 1 is actually Okun, or Akon or Akan or a variant of it in all these languages. Ahanta - Okun Jwira-pepesa - Ko Larteh (Guan) - Kon Seehwi - Kun Anyin (CIV) - Ekun Gonja - Akon Asante (Twi) - 1 (Baako), 1st (kan) Etc Etc. 1 Like 1 Share |
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