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solite3:The authencity of acclaimed facts gives credence to a story. U implying that if I give u $1Million as at this moment(for no apparent reason), the source of the cash is unimportant to u, you'd rather stick to my claim of incredible benevolence? Ur remark is a careless one, sir. It means it's very well acceptable to employ dubious means for a good cause, provided the motive is good. U seem to fink I got a prob with jonah. Not exactly, if u wud re-read my original post. I gave credence to the fact that he(jonah) was swallowed by a fish, not a whale. This is coz I choose to give credence to his story from the perspective of an eyewitness's account. I choose to not be dragged into a debate of the authenticity of acclaimed authorship of the book of jonah as at dis time; atleast not to derail the thread. Tnx and do ava gudnite |
solite3:Even the Person swallowed by the fish, don't know the kind of fish that swallowed him up?. Yet he cud write the book of Jonah(as we're made to bliv) in detail about every other thing. The last time I checked, the books of the bible were supposedly written under some sort of Divine inspiration and revelation. You, my friend, are bout to tel me now that the description of a fish must av eluded both the Eyewitness and victim of the Incident as well as the Divine spirit that inspired him to write the book too? |
solite3:On the rapture issue, u made no point. U merely highlighted "caught up" which I already emphasized is not the same as "rapture"...I'll appreciate apt points pls..tnx Hmmn...u got such an interesting perspective on why God purportedly sent Adam and Eve out of Eden. So, sending them out of the Garden and heaping quality curses upon them is an indication that he wants them not to remain in a fallen state. I never knew Irrevocable curses of pain can put man on a risen state. JESUS IS LORD. |
Scholar8200:Am sori..I neva knew "those left" and "those remained" seem dissimilar in meaning to u. I, however, can't communicate to u in any other language aside SIMPLE and PLAIN English sir. |
Scholar8200:"Caught up in the flood".."Caught up in the fire"... Does any of the aforemention express semantic similarity to "caught up to meet the Lord"?.... It was the good guys I likened to bein caught up with the lord as stated in 1thessalonians 4. The bad guys are "taken away UNTO JUDGEMENT. I wrote in English, not german. Plz raise some relevant point...u are abt to bore me |
Scholar8200:Stop muddling things up, u av shifted from the false ideology of rapture to the characterization of the prophecy of GT in Zechariah.; all In a desperate bid to emphasize that the Sinners will be the one to remain. This is pure digression, u're unconsciously abating the rapture dogma now which might put u very well in my perspective. I'd advice u avoid this! U r talkin abt battles now, how does that reiterate the concept of rapture with the Saints being taken up, leaving behind sinners. Zechariah 14:16 clearly states that the ones who are left or survives from coming up against Jerusalem have faced such fate through the aftermath of Battles, not being "raptured" Lolz...u av totally abandoned the rapture theory and now talkin wars of GT. Smh Oya make a U-turn. U aint debating with a Kid here. I must commend ur prowess in rendering a plethora of scriptural references that happen to be out context in the discourse of a debate. |
shadeyinka:Firstly, read my write-up on rapture again to grasp where I said "rapture" is not descriptive of "caught-up" or "taken away"..it was a mistranslation. Then follow my debate with scholar8200 from the inception of this thread. come back afterwards with relevant points(if u apun to av 1 by then) that we can cross-examine from opposing sides. |
shadeyinka:"Behold adam become as one of us, knowing good and evil: now, therefore, lest perhaps he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever" If that passage don't come across to u as some sort of avoidance of competition, then I'd leave u to ur opinion. You should ask urself why "satan" who's in competition with God is the same person God warns Adam and Eve against, so as not to take upon themselves the sort of wisdom he promises dem if dey cud go against God's will. Hmmmn...human being; a spirit, then needs to die again to be rebirthed, yet u say he is ETERNAL by nature. You are about to confuse urself with delicate terms sir. |
Scholar8200:Hold on, sir, b4 u start doin copy and paste of some orthodox theological junk u don't understand. Do u intend to confuse readers with these mumbo-jumbo? Let the audience learn in layman's terms. All these highly digressive perspectives of urs can't elude me. Keep that in Mind Now, to the subject matter. 1. Enoch's case has nothing to do with rapture...in view of the fact that ur idea of rapture is the trasnport of saints into another state. U seem to forget Enoch wasn't the only saint on earth as at when he was taken up into heaven. So are u telling me there's "selective rapture" ?...lolz 2. Abeg, give a scriptural reference that implies the transfiguration of Noah and all other saved creatures b4 the flood and another evidence in the case of lot being taken into a figure. P.S: Counter my points in context with or without scriptural backings(as u please), but don't come pasting stuffs here u obviously dint read Up b4 pressing the SUBMIT button. Remember, I know how to paste too. |
Scholar8200:I never implied directly or indirectly that those that wud meet the lord are sinners. U can quote me on any part of my writing where I said so.. My point is "getting caught up". To meet the lord has nothing to do with ur idea of rapture. Obviously u'e been speaking but not listening sinx. #Strange |
Scholar8200:Yet again, u quoted a scriptural reference u got no understanding of. Sir, that passage actually talks bou the defeat of satan. I fink I'll not give u a cheap and direct answer on this. It'll come in form of a rhetoric U asked me. Who does satan decieve after the Millenial reign"...I guess u don't want to assume it's the saints satan decieved. Well, verse 9 tells us how satan was defeated, so on whose behalf was satan defeated by God? The same sinners that he must have left on earth to suffer chey? |
Scholar8200:I gave u a detailed comparison of three scriptural references which were indeed prophecies and promises, u're stil askin for cross-examination of scripture with scripture, promise and prophecies.. Kindly open ur dictionary to check the meaning of words b4 u use them.. The funny thing is that u r yet to gimme any scriptural cross examination, u merely quoting various scriptures haphazardly to backup ur claims on rapture. U really have a loose perspective on this. Not to worry, I'll help separate the RELEVANT seeds from the shaft. |
Scholar8200:Lolz...yet again u just showed ur shallow understanding of subject matter...u don't just debate scriptural meanings and What they imply with one translation of the bible. That makes u reek of bigotry or ignorance. If u're looking for "left"...go read the passage in ESV(english Standard Version), NET(new english translation) and ASV(American Standard Versions) bible Translations to mention a few. #CaseClosed |
kilo4sure:Bro...there's no issue of interpretation conflicts here..I strictly explained within the boundaries of context..it's the good ones that are left behind while the bad ones are taken away first... The problem here is the erroneous interpretation of "caught-up" for the "rapture" ideology. They are never the same. The good ones being "caught up" in the air with the lord HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RAPTURE ----------- The term in the Bible commonly mistranslated to the word “rapture” actually comes from the Greek ἁρπάζω (harpazo) which actually means “caught up” or “taken away” ------------- So, sinx they interchange "caught-up" with rapture, they assume that "a non-existent prophecy or situation" where the good ones are taken-off, leavin the bad guys behind to be destroyed with the earth is "rapture"... Ironically, the bible, as I've proven it(which u quoted) never painted such scenario. The bone of contention here is a gross misconception of 1thessalonians 4:16-18. They good ones being with the lord in the air IS NOT RAPTURE. Sinx, they assume, the good ones being in the air have the bad guys left behind, hoping they cud join dem up above. Nah! Kindly click the link to read these bible passages, well translated in different versions. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+17:22-37 The online bible site indicated who'll be taken Away and who'll remain. This sort of debate requires an individual to consult different translations of a text to get a bigger picture of the intended Meaning of a passage. ------------- The people that invented this false "rapture" doctrine(that's a story for another day)..took the mistranslation when it was used in the context of being applied to philip being "caught away"(or raptured as they erroneously put it). The sold out idea of rapture being originated from philips incident was that the saints(just as philip was) would be suddenly taken-way to heaven. The strange issue here is, philip was actually not taken into heaven. He vanished from there, only to appear somehwhere else. Kindly read Acts 8:39-40 Cc: solite |
The “Rapture” being referred to in a passage in 1Thessalonians 4:16-18, where Christians are “caught up” in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.” have been largely misconcieved. Many Christians believe, and promote, that this being “caught up” to meet the Lord will occur before the Great Tribulation sometime in the near future. Christians will simply vanish(as we've always assumed), meet Jesus somewhere in the air, and then return with Him to Heaven to await the end of time. But notice, in 1Thessalonians 4:15, Paul says that “…we who are alive, who are left,” shall be caught up. This is a very important point to stress to rapture enthusiasts. Those who are “left” get caught up to meet the Lord. Keep that in mind as we look at these next couple of Scripture passages. The "rapture" concept got their ideology from a passage in Luke 17:22-37(the very one scholar8200 refused to read up for understandable reasons), and a similar passage in Matthew 24:29-44, which "strongly compares" the coming of the Lord to the days of Noah and the days of Lot. Matthew 24 puts it this way: “As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of man…[they ate, they drank, they married] and they did not know until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of man. Then two men will be in the field, one is taken and one is left. Two women grinding at the mill, one is taken one is left.” ---------------------------- “One is taken, one is left” — the Rapture right? Jesus takes the Christians and leaves behind non-Christians! That’s how rapture enthusiasts interpret these passages.. --------------- Well, there are however. Two problems with these "rapture” interpretation: First, in the passages from Luke 17 and Matthew 24, Jesus’ coming is compared to the days of Noah and the days of Lot. Let’s think about that for a moment. After the flood, who was left? Noah and his family — "the good guys". The bad guys were taken('caught up' in the flood) and the good guys were left behind! ------------- After Sodom and Gomorrah went up in smoke, who was left? Lot and his daughters — "the good guys". The bad guys were taken('caught up' in the fire) and the good guys were left behind!. ------------------ The second problem with the dogmatic “rapture” interpretation, has to do with what I mentioned above: 1 Thessalonians 4 says that those who are “left” get to meet Jesus in the air. ----------------- You want to be left behind. Why? Because those who are left behind get to meet Jesus on His return to earth. Again, when you put 1 Thessalonians 4 together with Matthew 24 and Luke 17, it becomes quite apparent that the good guys are the ones left behind to meet Jesus. ------------------ And, if you need further proof of that, there’s a passage in Matthew 13 that pretty much seals the deal. Matthew 13:39-43, “…and the enemy who sowed them [the bad seed] is the devil; the harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels. Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age. The Son of man will send His angels and they will gather out of His kingdom all causes of sin and all evildoers(the bad guys), and throw them into the furnace of fire; there men will weep and gnash their teeth. Then the righteous(the ones that remain after the bad ones have been taken and dealt with) will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father.” ------------------------------ So when Scripture says that “one is taken and one is left,” as it does in Luke 17 and Matthew 24, it is not talking about the Rapture, it is talking about the harvest at the close of the age(which we have translated to the rapture ideology, as evident in these sermon and xtian films). The ones who are taken, as it says in Matthew 13, are the evildoers. The angels will take them and toss them into the furnace of fire(somewhere else). So, the "rapture ideology" got it wrong. The ones taken are not the good guys, they are the evildoers. The ones who are left behind are the ones who get to be caught up in the clouds to meet Jesus in the air(to go nowhere actually) at His Second Coming, when He will bring all of the angels and saints with Him and there will be a new Heaven and a new earth. Ii is only when the bad guys have been taken away unto judgement, then the good guys left behind will be caught up with the lord upon arrival. There's nothing like "the good guys will vanish or get caught up, then the bad guys remain to suffer whatever stuff with the destruction of the earth". That is a misnomer, which in itself nullifies the ideology of rapture, to say, it's not anywhere in the bible. In other words, there will be no Rapture like the ones you have always believed. The rapture ideology teach the opposite of what Scripture actually says. Cc: Scholar8200, honourhim, solite -------------------------- You both should educate urselves by visiting the link below which has various bible translations of the Luke 17:22-37 and Matthew 24:29-44 where the "rapture" ideology actually came from. 1thessalonians 4:16-18 only buttress the idea, emphasizing on who are "left behind" after the judgment of the bad guys have taken place. Toggle different translations as u please. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+17:22-37 |
1. Leicester City. £55.5m. £24.7m. £12.8m (15 matches). £93m. --------------- 2. Arsenal. £55.5m. £23.5m. £21.8m (27 matches). £100.8m. ------------------ 3. Tottenham. £55.5m. £22.2m. £17.3m (21 matches). £95m. --------------- 4. Man City. £55.5m. £21m. £20.3m (25 matches). £96.8m. ---------------- 5. Manchester United*. £55.5m. £19.8m. £21m (26 matches). £96.3m. ----------------- 6. Southampton. £55.5m. £18.5m. £10.5m (12 matches). £84.5m. --------------- 7. West Ham. £55.5m. £17.3m. £12.8m (15 matches). £85.6m. ------------------- 8. Liverpool. £55.5m. £16.1m. £18.8m (23 matches). £90.4m. --------------- 9. Stoke City. £55.5m. £14.8m. £8.75m (8 matches). £79m. --------------- 10. Chelsea. £55.5m. £13.6m. £18m (22 matches). £87.1m. ---------------- 11. Everton. £55.5m. £12.4m. £15m (18 matches). £82.9m. --------------- 12. Swansea City. £55.5m. £11.1m. £8.75m (10 matches). £75.3m. ----------------- 13. Watford. £55.5m. £9.9m. £8.75m (8 matches). £74.1m. ---------------- 14. West Brom. £55.5m. £8.7m. £8.75m (8 matches). £73m. -------------------- 15. Crystal Palace. £55.5m. £7.4m. £9.5m (11 matches). £72.4m. --------------- 16. Bournemouth. £55.5m. £6.2m. £8.75m (9 matches). £70.4m. ----------------- 17. Sunderland. £55.5m. £4.9m. £11.3m (13 matches). £71.7m. --------------- 18. Newcastle Utd. £55.5m. £3.7m. £13.5m (16 matches). £72.7m. ----------------- 19. Norwich City. £55.5m. £2.5m. £8.75m (8 matches). £66.7m. ------------------ 20. Aston Villa. £55.5m. £1.236m. £9.5m (11 matches). £66.2m |
Leicester City being Premier League champions pocketed as much as £93 million in premier league prize money compared to £71.6m they earned last year. Below is the detailed information about how the Premier League prize money fund is distributed among 20 participating teams. -------------------------- The prize money awarded to Premier League clubs is generated from the broadcasting rights sale and this will be the last year of 2013-16 (3 year) tv rights deal which is worth around £5.178 Billion in total if we combine both domestic and overseas tv deals. Premier League has already signed the next 3 year deal starting from 2016-17 season to 2018-19 worth around £8 billion for three years (here is an in-depth article in Premier League 2016-19 tv rights deal). A prize money fund is produced from the domestic and overseas tv rights deal and here is how it is distributed. Permier League 2015-2016 Prize Money Breakdown: (Confirmed). --------------------- Premier League usually confirms the prize money distribution after the season is over, thus, they reveal the types of payments and the sharing model. EQUAL SHARE Equal tv rights share to every clubs will be around £55.5 million (£28.57 million from overseas portion and £21.96 million for domestic + £4.79 with central commercial share) – Confirmed. ------------------------- MERIT MONEY starts with £1,236,083 for the 20th place and £1,236,083 will be added to each position rising up the table. (which means champions will pocket £24.7 million in merit based money) – Confirmed. --------------------------- FACILITY FEE depend on how many times clubs match is shown live on tv in UK, If a club has 10 or less live matches they will be paid £8.75 million lump sum. while Manchester United matches will be shown live the most number of times. in UK with total 26 live games which means they will get £875,000 for every live match and that’s £21m. While Leicester City who are currently champions had 15 live matches earning them £12.8m (Confirmed). ----------------------- Below is a list of the earnings by each club in the EPL from the recently concluded season. There are 4 Rows for each club: 1st row - EQUAL SHARE 2nd row - MERIT BASED 3rd row - FACILITY FEE 4th row - TOTAL |
Nigerians are the best composers of articles advocating for change. Ironically, they never intend for this change to start with them or even involve them at all. Nigerians: excellent problem detectors, but the weakest solutionists |
crackhaus:Mbano!! If u want change, it definitely starts with u. |
Scholar8200:Oh..well..just what I needed to know: you aint well read on the concept of "rapture"..u merely presented a cliched bible reference and that's it. I dint tell u to read my mind, being well read on a subject as vast as dis is evidential when u cud atleast provide anoda scriptural reference either similar in meaning or that complements it. If I tell u adultery is not a sin now, you'll surely bombard me with countless biblical references to tackle me. How is it u come to a debate with a single point(that even ur opponent knows), which U tend to over-emphasize til it is stripped-off of relevant meaning. Aii..dat aside...I'd lend a helping hand, sinx that 1Thessalonians 4 is wah u got. Luke 17:22-37. Read(and understand) that and decipher whether it talks bou the rapture or not., before I proceed. |
FreshBoiy:Aii...U and I knw that the dude soliciting for votes and the contestant to be voted for, are the same person... So how and where do I vote? |
FreshBoiy:Hi FreshBoiy |
In sequel to an earlier thread of mine www.nairaland.com/3268719/3-biblical-facts-almost-everyone#48206598 -------------------- THERE WERE NO "THREE" WISE MEN There weren’t three and they didn’t visit Jesus in a manger. The Bible never mentioned the number of wise men (but does state the number of gifts as three, which is probably where this misconception stems from). Additionally, Herod demanded the death of all boys under two, making it probable that Christ had been born up to two years prior. Also, the wise men visited Jesus when he lived in a house(not a manger) according to the Biblical account in Matthew 2:11. ------------------------- DELILAH NEVER CUT SAMSON'S HAIR I can imagine some intense disagreement to this within some us at this moment. Samson's hair was indeed cut, but strangely, we've always imagined it to be delilah. Nah! Samson and Delilah is a famous story from the Old Testament which ends rather badly, as Samson’s long hair is cut short to destroy his strength. The common misconception is that Delilah was the one to give him the chop. But in fact, it was Delilah’s servant who did it. Judges 16 vs 19...#CaseClosed -------------------- HEAVEN HELP THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES A more common version: “God helps those who help themselves” – a wise and good quote that (almost)everyone presumed is from the Bible. But, in fact, it isn’t. It was a man, not even any of the apostles, and not even a god who coined the well known (and overused) proverb. It was Benjamin Franklin in his Poor Richard’s almanac. He was, at one time, the President of the United States of America(not actually, but passively), with his image on the U.S dollar bill. ------------------------- P.S: Opposing views are welcomed. Atleast open your bible and read thoroughly(and understand in context) before coming forward with a debate. |
Scholar8200:This is the very strong point that we xtians have held onto NARROWLY. Don't get me wrong, I dint dispute the meaning of this passage, but most of us av refused to look at d big picture somehow. Despite the fact that u've refused to consider my perspective at all on this delicate but technical passage that talks bou the rapture. However, there r 2 or more bible references that are akin to this. Kindly quote them here(if u can) and make some comparison(in context) to 1 Thesalonians 4:16-18 that u pasted above. We r slowly attempting a close examination of the big picture now. #YouAreEntitled2UrOpinion |
Scholar8200:Aii..the whole concept that the "good ones" are gonna be "raptured" and the "bad ones" left behind, to be subjected to whatever suffering that follows, is totally false. Enuf videos, movies and sermon circulating this misunderstood concept made it viral. That's it.. U don't av to be interested in the article. I understand. Bigotry is not easy to deal with, when religion is involved. |
obiorathesubtle:Haha...really baffling it is...juz occurred to me |
SAINTSAMURAI:Lolz..."Just listen to urself" |
Scholar8200:Th piece I'm talking bou also examined 1thessalonians 4 in detail emphasizing on something u missed in that passage. Thrz an angle of understandin to that passage that eludes most peeps. That's my point |
Y do ppl say "no offense" right b4 dey probably offend u with an insult. e.g No offense, but I hate the way u talk. ------------------ Y are Nigerian new-borns/babies always bouncing sef? e.g she gave birth to a bouncing baby boy. ---------------- Y do CAC churches specifically call the name of Jesus 3x times b4 the prayer point commences. --------------- Y wud someone come to u wit a gist dat begins wit "guess what!" And the person sharply tels u what'z up without even lettin u do d guess at all..so annoying. ---------------- Y wud I save and trust my moni wit a Nigerian bank and I can't contact their customer care for free. Nonsense. ----------------- Y wud Nigerian parents ask u angrily "are u a fool?" Repeatedly..knowing u dare not answer the question. ----------------- Y do African parents give coded meanings to YES and NO...growing up wit African parents will make one understand dat ur parents cud mean YES when they point- blankly tel u NO, openly...#SoAnnoying. -------------------- Y must catholics hold the crucifix(may or may not be attached to a rosary) of Jesus to feel the powerful presence of the lord, yet they agree he's omnipresent ...#NoOffence. -------------------- Y someone wud say her hobby is washing...azzin..were u born in a washing machine?. -------------------- y wud someone claim BLACK as a favorite color..hian..were u delivered in the dark?. ------------------- Y do we humans conclude God is a he(like I did above)..are we even sure?. ------------------ Y is polygamy barbaric to civilization and polyandry is not?. ------------------ Matthew, Mark, Luke and John gave conflicting accounts of the life of Jesus christ..but Y was Luke's own the most acceptable? yet 2 were Jesus's disciples..I thought the witness shud av the most accurate account. ------------------ Y wud someone begin a statement with "I hate to say this but" when dey av clearly stated their hatred for what dey r abt to say? ..so why stil go ahead and say it..mtcheew.. ------------------ Y wud doctors say "alcohol kills slowly?"...not like alcoholics are in a hurry to die anyways..makes sense for em'. ------------------- Y does the name/title 'errandBOY" never change, no matter the age of the person involved. ------------------- Y is it that the only thing u find worth living for, is the very same thing worth dying for? Really baffles me. ------------------- Y must one make a significant number of enemies in the music business to be considered a dope rapper?. ------------------- Y are hausa lunatics so scarce on the streets? Or northerners don't get mad?. -------------------- Y has it never been recorded in history that an igbo man cut another out of anger, sinx a cutlass is the 1st and only tin dey carry weneva provoked..#NollywoodSaysSo. -------------------- Y do ppl use "just listen to urself" when they want to call u a fool. ---------------- Y steven seagal neva gets a single stain or punch from his opponents in his movies? Abeg I need answers.... |
Ogbeche77:Oh lawd! Chai..e pain me say I don finish this indomie, I for say mk u come join me with bigger spoon. I never knew someone, aside me, speaks truthfully on Naija sports like this. |
idearito:The guy is really stewpid for actually asking such a question. Thinking he needs ur permission to marry ur sista. I no go lie. But, u're actually stewpider for thinking u've got some veto over their affair, if they both choose to get serious with it. That is, if u respect ur sister as ur babe's brother respected her enuf to allow her date u as her ultimate choice. |
idearito:Nonsense! When u wanna marry someone else's sister, you're the qualified type, but when person wey be ur padi, wan marry ur own sister, they're always the unserious type. I'm not new to this infantry politics bros. |
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