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Romance › Re: What Is The Dumbest Question Anyone Has Ever Asked You? by 0ubenji(m): 9:37pm On Aug 04, 2016
skarlett:
Why can't your friend marry your sister huh
That, I wanted to ask too
Christianity Etc › Re: 3 Biblical Facts That (almost)Everyone Gets Wrong. by 0ubenji(op): 9:27pm On Aug 04, 2016
Scholar8200:
That is Love in display!!!!! If Adam and Eve had taken from that tree after the fall, there would be NO possibility of Redemption! They would have sealed their fate, hence God Who loved them prevented that from happening! Perfect Love you cant resist!!!

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But it is an acquatic animal! Besides, this shows the original- http://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/12-40.htm. Before you scream, remember they were translating,not transliterating.
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Read 1 Thessalonians 4: 13-17 There the rapture is described. Call it any name, that is the description. Just like some call it communion, holy communion, sacrament,Lord's supper but still all refer to the same thing!
I like u broda...it Interests me to see som1 come 4ward with an opposing view. It means we both or one of us will surely learn.
Erm, so do u mind I dish u spicy piece that supports my "no rapture"(as we think) theory in the bible?
It's obvious u only read the bible passage u quoted above, but u dint understand it in context.

P.S: if u don't exactly av some patience(at dis time) to read
and understand a sort of long, but time-worthy write-up
detailing why what we understand as "rapture" aint in the
bible. To save ourselves some productive time; Kindly don't
Request it from me. Tnx
Education › Re: 10 Common Grammatical Blunders You Should Endeavour To Avoid by 0ubenji(m):
Rapmoney:
As humans, we learn new things everyday. Only a dead man that doesn't learn and the foolish man picks offence unnecessarily when he's corrected! cool I'm not perfect and you, yes, you over there, reading this, can't be too. We all learn but it's good you share the knowledge you have because there could be others out there who might need whatever you have to share. You can also learn from what others have to share. Below are 10 common grammatical blunders we make in Nigeria when speaking:

1) 'Who is that'? People often ask this question when they hear a knock on their door. The proper question to ask should be: 'Who is it'? This is because you don't know who's at your door. It's even preferable to ask: 'Who be that'? At least, we know you are speaking Pidgin English cheesy

2) Answering a question with just a simple YES or NO only. This is very wrong. Example1: 'Do you work on Sundays'? Instead of answering 'No', you should say 'No, I don't'. Example2: 'Do you know him'? Instead of saying just 'Yes' if you know who the first speaker is referring to, you should say 'Yes, I do'. That makes it a complete answer.

3) Using the word 'offer' in school subjects. Many teachers make this terrible mistake!!! You would hear statements like 'My students don't offer Literature' or 'If you know you are not offering Government, leave the class'. WRONG!!! Students don't OFFER subjects; they TAKE subjects! To offer means to give or present something to someone. Does it mean you are presenting something to Literature or Government? huh grin Naija teachers, una no go kill person!

4) Using a plural verb for collective pronouns: 'Everybody ARE coming'. EVERYBODY is a collective pronoun. Collective pronouns (Collective nouns inclusive), carry a singular verb which is 'IS' and not 'ARE'. Many people also make the mistake of adding 'S' to staff, when addressing a collection of workers in an organisation. Don't say 'All the staffs in this firm'. Instead, say 'All the staff in this firm'.

5) 'I want to buy COOK egg' (Lol, not even cooked egg! grin). It's a common blunder when we go to the neighbourhood shop. Bros, it's either you are buying a boiled egg or one that is not cooked (raw) because even the one that's fried is cooked!

6) 'The shoes do not size me'. Wrong!!! 'SIZE', in this context, is a noun! It cannot function as a verb here. The correct way to say this is: 'The shoes do not fit me' or 'The shoes are not my size'. You can still say 'The shoes are over-sized or under-sized'.

7) 'My stomach or my head is paining me'. WRONG! It's not only a terrible mistake to make grammatically; it's also a useless statement!!! Why add ING to PAIN to create a verb that's not only useless but non-existent? huh You can say 'My stomach aches' or 'I feel pain in my stomach'.

The following are more of Oral English (correct pronunciation; that's speaking right).

cool Pronouncing FEBRUARY as 'FEBUARY'. When you pronounce this word, the 'U' and 'A' are to be silent. Pronounce it as if you are saying 'FEBRY'.

9) When you pronounce WEDNESDAY, the 'D' should be silent. It should come as 'WENSDAY'.

10) When you pronounce POLICE, the 'O' should be silent. It should come as 'Plice'.

Godbless!
OP....I appreciate ur effort on such a good topic. You need to be corrected in some aspects of ur write-up, not to mislead readers. I'd also help to enlighten the thread readers on other parts.
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1. When respondin to a knock on ur door, "who is it?" is grammatically wrong!
"Who is that?" is actually correct.
"It" is a personal pronoun used for inanimate subjects or objects.
"Who" is an interrogative 'subject' pronoun used for animate subjects only.
"Is" is a linking verb that connects the subject(who) to its subject complement(It).
Now, u can't complement an animate subject(who) with an inanimate object(It)...it's wrong coz u've contradicted the nature of the subject(animate) with the subject complement(inanimate).
U can only use an inanimate "subject complement" for an "inanimate subject" pronoun.
E.g What is it? - "what", here, tells us that the subject(what) is inanimate, hence, complemented with an inanimate term "it".
Using "who" means u've acknowledged the person at ur door as bein animate, so, u cud use "that" as it's subject complement.
"That" is a demonstrative pronoun that applies to animate or inanimate subjects or objects, which is why it can complement "who"
However, thr r many phrases u cud use to answer som1 knocking on ur door.
Who is that?, who is at the door?, who's knocking at the door?, who is there? etc

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2. Agreed.
3. Wrong. Refer to starxx comment for evidence.
4. Agreed, but "all the staff in this firm" aint correct. Simply use "the staff in this firm OR of this firm".
REASON: "the staff" in itself already covers "all"...if u must use "all", then I'd advice u put it dis way: "all members of staff". This is just to emphasize that none is left out. We can also say "some members of staff" or "a member of staff" to indicate that not all the members of staff are involved.
5. Agreed.
6 Agreed.
7. Agreed. The reason why "paining" is wrong is coz it's a STATIVE VERB. These types of verbs can't be used in the progressive sense by the usual addition of '-ing'. Stative verbs can't be easily imagined in a finite or infinite sense. Azzin, dem juz dey.
Now, let's examine "pain". Give it a tot. Is the word short term or long term?..Is it gonna end soon or gonna be continuous?..
We can't even say...that's why it's stative, so, adding '-ing' sef no gel. It's the way u use it in a sentence that tells the reader what to imagine.
E.g it pains me, it pained me, I'm in pain.

All the examples above tells us more about the pain due to the addition of other words for clarity.
Other popular examples of stative verbs are: see, hear, adore, hope etc
U can't add the '-ing' suffix to dem to construct a correct sentence.
E.g "I am hearing u" is wrong; as well as "I'm hoping for a change" OR "I'll be seeing u tonite"
NOTE: "seeing" in some very rare but distinctive cases, however, might defy this rule.

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I have no addition or objection whatsoever to the rest. Thanks.
Christianity Etc › Re: 3 Biblical Facts That (almost)Everyone Gets Wrong. by 0ubenji(op): 4:26pm On Aug 04, 2016
zzzzy:
I understood the 1st nd 2nd, but not the 3rd. Do you mean the word "rapture" or the meaning it's taken for?
The word doesn't appear anywhere. This does not need a discerning mind to grasp. That's settled as long as u open the nearest bible...

Now, the controversial part.
Even what rapture is taken for, doesn't appear in the bible, people mistake the 2nd coming of christ for their interpretation of rapture. Where the Good ones are taken up(caught up), while the bad ones are left behind. Nah!!

Error404.

I can give u detailed proof with scriptural evidences(if u want) to try convince u(if u would be) that "rapture" is a misnomer spread by religious fanatics, we, unfortunately, call christians.


P.S: if u don't exactly av some patience(at dis time) to read and understand a sort of long, but time-worthy write-up detailing why what we understand as "rapture" aint in the bible. To save ourselves some productive time; Kindly don't Request it from me. Tnx
Christianity Etc › 3 Biblical Facts That (almost)Everyone Gets Wrong. by 0ubenji(op): 3:32pm On Aug 04, 2016
ADAM & EVE

Contrary to popular belief, Adam and Eve were expelled
from Eden not because they ate the forbidden fruit of the
tree of knowledge of good and evil, but in order to prevent
them from eating from the tree of life (both forbidden trees
are in Genesis 2:9) which would have made them eternal.
God doesn’t like competition! Here is the verse (Genesis
3:22-23): “And he said: Behold Adam is become as one of us,
knowing good and evil: now, therefore, lest perhaps he put
forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and
live for ever. [23] And the Lord God sent him out of the
paradise of pleasure, to till the earth from which he was
taken.”

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JONAH WAS NOT SWALLOWED UP BY A WHALE


We all know the tale of Jonah and the whale(since we were kids)… but how well
do we know it?
Well enough to know that he wasn’t eaten by
a whale? It was no mammal that ate Jonah – it was a huge
fish – though its type is not mentioned. Of course, I am
presuming that any smart xtian reading this list would wanna question my assertion.

Well, here is the eye opener: the book of jonah recorded it was a fish(tho of an unmentioned type). This confusing "whale" term came from the book of Matthew 12 vs 40 where it was used with reference to that story. The bone of contention here is the translation errors involved.

Yet again, I know some religious fanatic reading this( the types that would refuse to fault the bible for anything) would still disagree, in an attempt to debate that both bible references mean the same thing.
Just chill, Sir/Ma, A whale is not a fish. #Q.E.D

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THERE's NO SUCH THING AS RAPTURE

The “Rapture” is not in the Bible! Despite being believed by a
large number of christians (many of whom also believe
that only that , which is in the Bible can be true; Yea rite! "Rapture" aint in the bible.)

it was actually invented in the 1600s by one Cotton Mather –
otherwise famous for murdering women by strangling them
to death (by hanging) in the Salem witch trials. The term in
the Bible commonly mistranslated to the word “rapture”
actually comes from the Greek ἁρπάζω (harpazo) which
actually means “caught up” or “taken away” and it refers to
one person only (Philip).

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P.S: Opposing views are welcomed. Atleast open your bible and read thoroughly(and understand in context) before coming forward with a debate.
Politics › Re: Al-Barnawi: "Kill Christians, Target Churches Not Mosque" by 0ubenji(m): 2:18pm On Aug 04, 2016
Kassidy90:
Guess u will believe it now that their is a video evidence circulating online
It's obvious u r yet to see d video, to see somtin outta place innit. If u apun to find it out Anyways
Romance › Re: The Benefits Of Marriage: Why You Should Marry Quickly by 0ubenji(m): 2:13pm On Aug 04, 2016
robosky02:
you are still missing a lot settle down cheesy
Ofcuz..u r correct, I'm missing a lot that I've actually CHOSEN TO AVOID for the meantime, FOR REASONS BEST KNOWN TO ME.
Romance › Re: The Benefits Of Marriage: Why You Should Marry Quickly by 0ubenji(m): 1:59pm On Aug 04, 2016
My broda, liv matter for mathias. Evritin get advantage on hin own. Even suicide sef get advantage. No be ur post go mk me marry earlier than my resolve not to.
Christianity Etc › Re: Controversy:why Did God Create Both Light And Sun by 0ubenji(m): 1:48pm On Aug 04, 2016
The sun became earth's primary source of light only when it was created..its creation was for it to function as a subsistent source of light production on its own.

*God did not create light*, he commanded it to surface from an unknown but temporary Source, obviously for the purpose of creation.

"Let there be light" does not connote creation, God simply commanded it to appear.
Interestingly, in the case of the sun, the terms "created" or "made" was used(depends on the bible translation).

When he was done with creation, the primary source of light(the sun) was now permanent and self-servicing, which emphasizes the essence of its creation.

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I'm not an Atheist, but quite frankly, u've got no case here(atleast an intelligent one)
Politics › Re: Al-Barnawi: "Kill Christians, Target Churches Not Mosque" by 0ubenji(m): 12:36pm On Aug 04, 2016
joshtega27:
its time for this one to also die




[color=#000099][/color] grin
*sips chilled chocolate viju*.

So wah u waiting for?...
Politics › Re: Al-Barnawi: "Kill Christians, Target Churches Not Mosque" by 0ubenji(m): 12:33pm On Aug 04, 2016
Kassidy90:
Shekau is alive and well read online yesterday that he's saying BH has betrayed him by naming his successor while he's still alive
"You read"...bro..I 'd like to bliv u're well educated beyond cheap propaganda..
Politics › Re: Shehu Sani To Gowon: You Became Head Of State In Your Early 30s, Should We.. by 0ubenji(m): 11:28am On Aug 04, 2016
montezz:
Be like say dem wan to tell another story again o *in turn face's voice*
Oya correct yasef b4 I change my mind
Romance › Can U Kiss That Long? by 0ubenji(op): 10:24am On Aug 04, 2016
Currently, the world record for longest kiss belongs to
Thailand’s Ekkachai and Laksana Tiranarat. They made
history in 2013 by kissing for 58 hours, 35 minutes, and 58
seconds at a Ripley’s 'Believe It Or Not' Event.

They broke the former record, held by Andrea Sarti and
Anna Chen, in convincing fashion. Back in 2004, Sarti and
Chen kissed for 31 hours and 18 minutes. The two only
stopped because they nearly passed out—Chen had to lie
down while Sarti actually ended up requiring oxygen. Their
story had a happy ending, though, as Sarti used the $12,700
prize money to marry Ms. Chen.

Even among non-record holders, the amount of kissing the
average person does is amazing. Studies have shown that
the average person kisses for two total weeks throughout
their lives. Most people burn around 1,560 calories for every
hour of kissing, meaning the average person loses 30,240
calories over a lifetime simply by locking lips.
Of course, this all depends on what type of kiss you engage
in. A quick smooch isn’t going to do much of anything, after
all. But if you work hard enough at kissing, leaving you gasping for
breath, Hurray!! you’re definitely burning some fat.

Do Nigerian guys even kiss long sef?...azzin...before the kissing starts fully, they're alredi looking for the bra hook with one had..the other hand between her thighs...lolz..smh
Christianity Etc › Re: A Controversial Account On The Story Of Creation by 0ubenji(op): 10:16am On Aug 04, 2016
EmperorLee:
Genesis Chapter 2 Vs 19 "Now the Lord God **had** formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name."



He HAD formed them before that moment, he only showed them to Adam for him to name the animals.
I checked several translation versions, none used "HAD formed" aside NIV and NIRV...

All I need is a form of context that proves ur "he had formed"...
Kindly paste here, in verbatim, a bible translation that cited that "he HAD formed"..nd don't forget to provide the bible version u culled it from..
Let's keep in mind that "formed" & "had formed" are not the same..they imply different things with respect to the time being referenced.
Except u wanna tell me these bible translations disagree in their expressions of what they are meant to agree on.
Politics › Re: Al-Barnawi: "Kill Christians, Target Churches Not Mosque" by 0ubenji(m): 7:01am On Aug 04, 2016
the phrase "new boko haram leader" atleast has cemented the fact that Shekau was indeed killed da year, despite their shameful denial of the fact..
Christianity Etc › Re: 30 Quotes By Renowned Atheists by 0ubenji(op): 6:32pm On Aug 03, 2016
naijadeyhia:
Yet with all these 30 quotes and their status they all still died or will die but the God whom they refused to believe His existence Is still being spoken about and experienced in amazing ways and His gospel growing massively while the quote masters have become manure.

Who quote epp?
Lolz..u don't av to be bitter..even we, the theists, stil gon bcum manure as with the same atheists u talkin bou..nd the same gospel wil continue..
So watz ur point mahn?
Romance › Re: Why Are Ppl Sorry Only When They Get Caught? by 0ubenji(op): 6:24pm On Aug 03, 2016
lloydmuna2:
It was said to forgive 70×7 times so saying sorry means hope u know I mite do it again? Incase I do it again
Can I offer u Kola?
Romance › Re: Why Are Ppl Sorry Only When They Get Caught? by 0ubenji(op): 6:16pm On Aug 03, 2016
wordbank:
If I no blame d devil na u I go blame?
Lolz...na until u chop raw pepper b4 u sabi say peppersoup get taste..kontinu!!
Romance › Re: Why Are Ppl Sorry Only When They Get Caught? by 0ubenji(op): 6:12pm On Aug 03, 2016
iAmCharis:
Then they'll say it's a mistake or it's the devil's handwork. If you aren't caught, oh well, you're smart but if you're caught, it's a mistake.
"It's a mistake"..."It's the devil's handiwork"..

These phrases are the most annoying...why don't u rather just shutUp and plead for the usesless forgiveness anyways..

Cc: wordbank
Christianity Etc › Re: A Controversial Account On The Story Of Creation by 0ubenji(op): 6:09pm On Aug 03, 2016
malvisguy212:
Genesis 1 is the account of the creation of the universe and life on planet earth as it happened in chronological sequence. But Genesis 2 simply expend the explanation that occurred at the 6th day of creation. Genesis 1 did not give much detail in the creation of human other than man was created in the image of God.

Genesis 2 describes God's preparation of a specific location on earth (Eden) for habitation by the first human beings. Part of the confusion results from our English translations, which use the term "earth" when the Hebrew would better be translated "land."
I appreciate ur attempt at an explanation, howbeit unsatisfactory..
Lemme hope som1 else amongst various viewers of this thread, Mans Up and attempt a logical explanation for this too
Romance › Why Are Ppl Sorry Only When They Get Caught? by 0ubenji(op): 4:50pm On Aug 03, 2016
Why are ppl sorry only when they get caught?
Someone sorry enuf to get caught, shud be sincere enuf to admit they knew very well what they doin was pure betrayal and dey stil went ahead wit it anyways.

If you're sorry, you wouldn't have done it in the first place.
Atimes, "I'm sorry" means "I'll be smarter next time"
On the other hand, if u're really sori for the deed, why not turn urself in by confessing upfront?
What makes the Forgiving stage so annoying is the fact that u keep askin urself "if he/she is really sori, why wait til getting caught?"...
I sometimes don't blame unforgivin people
It's almost impossible to knw if their apology is sincere with many "what ifs" going thru ur mind. At the end, it all boils down to "lemme just forgive anyways"..
FORGIVING indeed takes a special kinda courage....



#thinkingaloud
Christianity Etc › A Controversial Account On The Story Of Creation by 0ubenji(op): 2:03pm On Aug 03, 2016
Genesis 1 vs 20 - 25 narrates the creation of all animals on earth before Man was eventually created in 'vs 26 - 27'


Genesis 2 vs 18 - 19 tells us otherwise, that Man was created 1st before all the animals on earth, with an emphasis on the fact that Adam actually named all the animals himself.


Is Moses, the acclaimed writer of Genesis(as they'd like us to bliv), confused?


OR


Is this an indication that the book of Genesis was crafted by more than 1 author?

Cc: malvisguy212
Christianity Etc › Re: 30 Quotes By Renowned Atheists by 0ubenji(op): 11:32am On Aug 03, 2016
SpeedndAccuracy:
U saying Benjamin Franklin was an atheist??
I don't think so.
I'm not interested in what u fink, but what u can prove, CONVINCINGLY.
Christianity Etc › Re: Whom Exactly Was Cain Afraid Of? by 0ubenji(op): 9:55am On Aug 03, 2016
malvisguy212:
I check the others bible translation and no text specifically call abel the second born. Its okay to disagree with me. Thank you. Looking forward to your next topic.
Hmmn..unfortunately, thrz no citation to buttress urs..but that doesn't give u room to disprove mine..lemme help u..sinx u said u cudnt get a reference From the search..
U were looking for a text that specifically calls Abel the 2nd born..lolz...u seem to 4get no text specifically calls Cain the Firstborn either..but somehow, we both, unconsciously agree that he is the 1st born..for 2 reasons..
1. The bible recorded his birth first, but dint specifically state him contextually as the 1st born. Yet u agree he is..so, goin by ur theory on Abel, A daughter might have been born b4 cain also(sinx no text specifically mentions him as the Firstborn.
2. We followed the events of their birth in progression(with common sense) that he was mentioned 1st as bein birthed, wherein we av to take as him bein the 1st, sinx no other text contradicted this assumption.

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Genesis 4 vs 1-2 King James Version (KJV)

1. And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare
Cain(1stborn), and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.
2. And she AGAIN bare his brother Abel(i2nd born). And Abel was a
keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

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It dint say " and she again bare a second son or second male child"
Lemme put it in layman terms..
Mrs. Maxwell conceived and bore Malvis(1st born), and again bore his brother, Ben(this is a direct implication that I'm the 2nd born nd I apun to be male, which is why "brother" was used)..so, if the writer wants to imply Abel as the 2nd son and not 2nd born, he/she would av made a clause somwhr else to indicate such. This clause(in citation or direct implication) is what I asked of u dat u av refused to present.
This is an argument of the contextual citation OR direct implication of a statement...as evidence that Abel was/wasn't the 2nd born.
I'm not interested in what you think shud be(it doesn't improve the quality of ur perspective), I'm concerned with what is, which is implied by the writer in the composition of his/her writing. I made do with what I av from my presentation of citations and references; not what I fink shud be.


Mornin..aw's ur nite?
Christianity Etc › Re: Whom Exactly Was Cain Afraid Of? by 0ubenji(op): 9:19pm On Aug 02, 2016
malvisguy212:
I see, you don't understand my point. Who out their know what cain did ? And why will they kill him ? That is why I say the statement only make sense if cain had brothers and sisters. Saying cain and Abel were not the only sons of Adam is not my opinion, that's what the bible imply. If I call you the second son, does it mean you are the second born ?
I get ur point, u're only going around in circles while I sit here waitin for u to cite a biblical reference that succinctly implies Abel as not being the second born..
Therein, the debates bcums more interesting whereby I try disprove the semantics of whateva citation u present..that way, we both learn from new angles to dis..
I'd like to drop this debate with u, if we wanna proceed into illogically hypothetical perspectives of this issue. It would appear to defeat reason rather than improve it.
Christianity Etc › Re: Whom Exactly Was Cain Afraid Of? by 0ubenji(op): 8:41pm On Aug 02, 2016
malvisguy212:
The bible made it clear, if everything were to be written, the book cannot contain it. The old and new testament is All about the messiah, the genealogy of christ, abel was among the genealogy after he was kill, seth replace him. Now, go and read the story one more time, the bible did not call abel the second born, if you insist, provide evidence from the scripture ? The text say Abel was the second son, which mean there are children before Abel ( this is not my opinion, this is what the bible imply)

Let me ask you a question, why will cain make the statement "AND WHOEVER FINDS
ME WILL KILL ME "? This only make sense when his brothers and sister are upset that cain had kill their brother.
Lolz..the only prob here is that you're trying to make sense for the person who wrote that Genesis(claiming it was moses)..More like u are afraid to question indiscrepancies and reason...coz it's the bible...??...bro, I'm a xtian too but a thinking one.

U said "This only make sense when his brothers and sister are upset that cain had kill their brother"...but what if the writer actually made unintended errors(as it semantically appears) that there are no brothers and sisters(as u tried to invent via provisional reason) involved anywhere..??
Calling a spade a spade aint that hard u knw...?
I actually love ur reasoning pattern..despite the fact that it refuses to satisfy the dying answers this topic TRUTHFULLY needs.
I av a more controversial thread to open tomoro, I'll mention u thr..


P.S: I don't argue to be right, but to learn and see angles to an issue I might av missed
Christianity Etc › Re: Whom Exactly Was Cain Afraid Of? by 0ubenji(op): 6:39pm On Aug 02, 2016
Scholar8200:
There were others not mentioned at the time of the murder. See Genesis 4:17. It was practice to mention only the name of relevant kids see Genesis 5:10 you will see sons and daughters whose names are not mentioned.


Do you know Adam had another son called Seth and that he was born when Adam was 130years old? That debunks the highlighted besides, read Genesis 5 and see that many "sons and daughters'' were not mentioned by name!



Note the length of years they lived then( Adam died 930yrs etc)! Besides, that Eve gave birth to Seth after Abel's death tells you Cain was still young meaning he was a young father!
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Just as Adam must have witnessed 5th or more generations as men.

Genesis 5:5
Adam gave birth to Seth (at age 130 Gen 5:3)
v6 Seth lived a hundred and gave birth to Enos
v7 Enos lived 90 and gave birth to cainan
v12 Cainan lived 70 and gave birth to Mahalalel
v15 Mahalalel lived 65 and gave birth to Jared
v18 Jared lived 162 and gave birth to Enoch

Now notice that all these went on and Adam saw them. Since Adam died 930 add up the years and see that after Seth, Adam lived 800 years meaning he saw Enoch etc not as babies but full grown men! How much more Cain?


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Rather which suggests that Seth was born while the death of Abel was still very recent, fresh in their minds!
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Refer to the analysis above on Adam's age when Seth was born 130 and when he died 930 and realise that , if we wont be anachronistic, Adam, Cain where fully alive and saw more than 5th generations not as boys but also as men!!!
The length of time from when abel was killed to the time after the 5th generation of cain's descendants is not a definition of FRESH...these are years..not days
I alredi acknowledged the birth of seth in my prior comments..so that's a drawback.
Kindly note that we're stil goin in circles...there's stil no evidence from our citations and references in this debate that someone worthy to be a threat to cain was in existence as at when he made the "whoever finds me will kill me" statement(as the bible puts it) In the original post of this thread..
Christianity Etc › Re: Whom Exactly Was Cain Afraid Of? by 0ubenji(op): 5:47pm On Aug 02, 2016
malvisguy212:
The bible did not say adam had only 2 children, cain was the first born but abel was NOT the second born , he was the second son, certainly their are children between cain and abel. Okay, after the death of abel , seth was born, seth was a replacement to Abel. So, who was Cain afraid of? Cain was afraid of his own brothers, sisters, nephews, and nieces, who were already born and would be capable of seeking revenge. The fact that Cain had a wife (Genesis 4:17) is a further evidence that Adam and Eve had other children after Cain and Abel, but before Seth.

Furthermore, what I believe is that the scriptural focus is clearly ONLY on the seeding of Christ and with mentions of others who may have play an important role, the rest is of no use, for example, who was methusalah wife ? The oldest man, surly we will like to know the age of his wife...who was the wife of cain ? All this people play NO role.
You don't invent people who play no roles. Even if they would be invented, there shud be evidential trails on how they came to the picture. You mentioned some figures, strangely, no1(not even u) cud give a plausible explanation for where dey came from..rather, u gave hypothetical views to answer these questions on the probability of being descendants. This issues raises more curiosity.
U say Abel was the second son and not the. 2nd born, the bible dint state anywhere that it gave preference to the mention of Abel's name because it was a SON...nah..
The bible simply put that, Cain's brother was conceived, who apund to be Abel. Not "another SON was concieved".
Even in cain's case, it was the same. Kindly abate that perception which has to do with the Sex of the children being Male that Made the bible deem them worthy of mention.
Christianity Etc › Re: Whom Exactly Was Cain Afraid Of? by 0ubenji(op):
Scholar8200:
As it concerns the topic of the thread, the speech of Lamech here shows there were others around when Cain made that complaint quoted by the op!
Kindly note that cain was a bachelor when the curse was placed upon him for the murder of his brother, Abel. There was no other person around(according to the bible) aside his parents..
Any descendant of Adam dint come until cain married a wife and bore children(where this strange lady came from is a story for anoda day).
Lamech aint cain's sibling, as this is the only condition by which he would have been around as at when cain was cursed. After the curse incident was when cain went to get settled down somewhere else and probably get married thereafter.

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Genesis 4: 16

16. Then Cain went out from the presence of the
LORD, and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden.

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Lamech is a 5th generation descendant of Cain.

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Genesis 4: 17-18

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare
Enoch(1st generation): and he builded a city, and called the name of the city,
after the name of his son, Enoch.



18 And unto Enoch was born Irad(2nd generation): and Irad begat Mehujael(3rd generation):
and Mehujael begat Methusael(4th generation): and Methusael begat
Lamech(5th generation).

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As at the time Lamech was born, Abel was long gone.

Now, according to genesis, as at the time of lamech, Adam and Eve had no other child aside Cain. Not until Genesis 4: 25 wherein Seth was conceived and it was emphasized therein that the arrival of seth soothed their hurt over Abel's death which is a strong indication that no other child had come until seth.

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Genesis 4: 25

25 And Adam knew his wife AGAIN; and she bare a son, and
called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me
ANOTHER SEED INSTEAD OF ABEL, whom Cain slew.

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The child that came after abel's death was seth, none other, which is why the importance of his birth was well reiterated in verse 25 above. Eve actually gave him that name.
The first time Adam had carnal knowledge of Eve was in Genesis 4: 1, the second time was in Genesis 4: 2, while the 3rd time was in Genesis 4: 25

Lamech was not present when cain was cursed..tnx

Cc: malvisguy212
Christianity Etc › Re: NOAH: This Information Will Make Smart People Throw Their Bibles Away! by 0ubenji(m): 4:50pm On Aug 02, 2016
HardMirror:
You will find the story of Noah and the Flood in the book of Genesis Chpt 6,7 and 8.

These are the 3 chapters I will be quoting from.

The synopsis of this story is that people became very evil, God regretted creating man, God found Noah to be the only righteous man, God saves Noah and his family by revealing the impending plan to flood the earth. Noah builds ark, rain falls and flood the earth. Noah and his family along with all animals with him survives.

Before we go far, the BIG QUESTION IS, COULD THIS HAVE EVER happened? Could the whole earth be truly covered by water?

GENESIS 7:18-20 "18 The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits"

Wonderful!

For us to accept this we must Note verse 19 that says the water covers ALL mountains under the heavens INCLUDING mount EVEREST that is 8,800 meters tall!

How much water will be needed for this to be achieved?

CALCULATION
Volume of water above all mountains = (Volume of earth+water above highest peak)V2 - (volume of earth)V1

volume of a sphere, V=4/3πr³.

Radius of the Earth is 6,371KM

V1= 1,083,642,907,017.5 Cubic kilometers

To get V2 we must add the height of the highest peak which is mount Everest(which is 8.8km) to the radius of the earth at sea level.
R2= 6,371 + 8.8 = 6,379.8KM

Using the formula V=4/3πr³.

V2=1,088,139,486,240.6 Cubic Kilometer (which will be the new volume of the earth when totally covered with water)

So the added volume is V2-V1
=4,496,579,223.1 Cubic kilometers of water!

Stay tuned we just got started
Too bad u wasted all this equations to no end..
A mountain's height(peak is a berra term tho) is not a constant factor..two things however nullifies your apt theory..
1. Mount Everest might not be the highest peak in the world as at then, it might not even exist as at this said time, you don't know that for sure and no evidence so far, points to that.
2. Quite funny it is that the ascertained age of mt. Everest is a lot more than the age of mankind sinx creation(according to the bible)..everest is over 60millions years old, but the time of Noah's ark to present(according to biblical chronology) is not even up to quarter of everest's age. It's either science or the bible is lying and confused. Unfortunately, we, again, don't knw for sure which to trust.
Christianity Etc › Re: Whom Exactly Was Cain Afraid Of? by 0ubenji(op): 3:58pm On Aug 02, 2016
Scholar8200:
Nice question! There were other descendants of Adam and Eve. That statement credited to Cain indeed the whole scenario came much later after the curse was pronounced.(The Cain there was a defiant man).

And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.

24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.
Genesis 4:23,24

Cain was still alive when Lamech said this.
Hmmn...I get 2 msgs from ur comment..but I don't wanna gv a reply that might derail the matter at hand..so I'd rather hold that thought for now..
How does lamech come in here plz..kindly clarify..
Coz lamech himself was a murderer, to suffer the same fate as cain's whereby God ensures their staying alive to suffer a barren life. By dat time, for some strange reason, God punishment for murder Wasn't death but to stay alive and experience a sort of fruitless life. So he marks them for compulsory existence to suffer the consequence of deeds, hence, any1 who kiils them is marked for castigation in greater folds.
This was the essence of the verses u emboldened above in the case of lamech who knows the consequences of the murder he committed and is the one speaking to his wives on his fate.
Crime › Re: Is this even possible, i've sent money to an 'invalid account' (pics) by 0ubenji(m): 2:28pm On Aug 02, 2016
Drabeey:
Yes my story is not patterned well.
Atleast u've admitted the obvious..#CaseSettled..
I also tender my apology for pointing out ur cluelessness. I really dint mean to imply ur stupidity..It neva occurred to me that u alredi knew.

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