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efismikoko:
Bro have you really seen a clear cut miracle if yes good for you
I have never seen any all my life of being a Christian and going to different churches all I v seen is bobo

U seem gifted in oxymoronic expressions..
U've never seen a CLEAR-CUT miracle in ur life, yet again, THE ONES YOU AV SEEN is bobo.
U juz acknowledged that u've seen, but u, unfortunately, ascribe dem, so far, to being bobo.
This is ur resolve bro, u juz don't wanna accept it. It's quite understandable with respect to ur faith system.
Beauty, they say, remains in the eyes of the BEHOLDER.
There's good in something, only if u open the GOOD part of ur eyes to see.

hopefulLandlord:
Bros listen to yourself

Look around you

Your bible said in 6 (six) separate places that if you ask ANYTHING in his name (Jesus) he'll do it

There's pastor nick, who has no hands and legs

There's Ayefele who's wheelchair bound

People of your faith die like every other

Haven't they prayed with faith greater than a "mustard seed"?

Why hasn't your god answered them?


Now to your analogy about phones

My phone is with me

If I press the power button it goes off, if I do again, it comes on

That's like 99.99% efficiency

If you're not being dishonest, prayers prayed vs prayers answered doesn't have anything close that kinda accuracy


Let's me be generous here and say so called prayer works 1% of the time (generous)

Now if out of every one hundred times I push power button, it "works"; its only natural to put it down to "coincidence" anytime it works because the amount of time, it doesn't work far outnumbers the times it works

I don't talk much mahn..

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1 John 5:14-15.
14 And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that
if we ask anything ACCORDING TO HIS WILL he hears us.
15 And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that
we have the requests that we have asked of him.

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Thessalonians 5:17-18.

17 PRAY WITHOUT CEASING, 18 GIVE THANKS IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

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Isaiah 55:8

“FOR MY THOUGHTS ARE NOT UR THOUGHTS, NEITHER
ARE YOUR WAYS MY WAYS,” declares the LORD.

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Lemme knw if u need more.
If u need understanding and in-depth detailing of any of the bible references I gave. Don't be shy, ask, I'll explain to u in layman's terms.
In ayefele's case, I guess u are his God who determines what and what happens. Not like u knw wat wud av been his fate if he's standin on his feet today.

hopefulLandlord:
"Haven't they prayed with faith greater than a "mustard seed"?"..

I never knew u had a rented apartment in their. Minds to knw what goes on there.

hopefulLandlord:
People of your faith die like every other

I'll really like to join ur Faith where its people are fantastic immortals, juz as I assume u are..

The fact that sometin doesn't conform to ur thought pattern is not a yardstick to dismiss it as false.

abduljabbar4:
Chai! I now know how frustrated you guys really are. Islam has come to stay

Yea..I undastand bro..tho, it's not easy, but we're trying our best to cope with the extreme intolerance.

hopefulLandlord:
Bros, if it can happen without it even once, its possible that everyone that happens with it is purely "coincidental"

Haha...lolz..Landlord...lolz..
*chews kola*

*crosses legs*

According to u now, if ur phone can go off by itself EVEN ONCE, so it's possible that Evrytime ur press the "switch-off" button on ur phone, it's purely coincidental that ur fone goes off afterwards baa?...lolz..lolz...YOU'RE BLESSED brother..

madridguy:
This thread is not about global terrorism but you can make use of 9/11 as reference. You're not ready to learn.

Kindly check ur dico to knw the definition of "reference" in diverse forms.
So if I make a case for girls in poor families citing poverty as an excuse for prostitution, that(to u)..means I'm saying all girls in poor famz are prostitutes?.
Ur pattern of comprehension is mind-boggling.
The contenance I percieve from ur replies reeks of inherent pugnacity likened to the religion.

#We're done with dis debate.

hopefulLandlord:
"Nearly always happens when prayer is involved"

Oga there's barely any statistics to support that

Lolz..how bou u present a plethora of statistics to disprove that as well.
Atleast thr r times when rescucitation apuns without prayer. How about when it apuns when prayer is involved?

raphieMontella:
dear op...4everGod...i think the title should be changed to the failure of all religions to account for existence...

It is with much regret that I'd av to objectively agree u juz spat the Naked Truth.
That is where FAITH comes in, which is the basis for evry religion.

hopefulLandlord:
Autoresuscitation (dead coming alive) for instance happens without prayer but if it happens when praying, prayer would get all the credit

Isn't it too much of a coincidence that it nearly always apuns when praying is involved?
Remember, always do what works for u..!!

hopefulLandlord:
That's why we want TO SEE A LIMB GROW

Lolz..Dear friend, simply say "u av not seen where it happened"..or something more miraculous at that.
Ur resolve to not to accept the "miracle" concept wud stil make u scream "staging!", when U eventually see a limb grow b4 ur very eyes.

hopefulLandlord:
Bros, almost all the miracles we've seen can be staged or coincidental or ambiguous

I like ur practical approach to this. "CAN" thr simply means, the possibility of falsities exists but not always. So some CAN be the real deal.

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COINCIDENTAL?. That's a gud point u raised. I'd like u to agree that when coincidences are repeated in a fixed/variant pattern, you av a FACT alredi. Religion and science agree to this.
If u got a migraine and u take Panadol, then the pain goes, u might say it's coincidence. If, however, u notice it's only abt the time u take panadol that the migraine leaves. We don't need rocket science to understand what cures the migraine.

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AMBIGUOUS?. I don't knw if u an Atheist, Deist, Agnostic or Skeptic, but we both agree that if ur religious faction or faith system contains some rudiments of spirituality, then ambiguity is inevitable sinx the ordinary mind can't grasp somtin beyond the physical. The fact that a conjuror causes strange tinz to apun right b4 ur eyes which u cnt explain, doesn't necessarily mean it's always fake. Kip in mind ur disbelief in what u see doesn't disprove the entity behind the power being real.

madridguy:
Are you ready to learn? NO. If you're ready bring down this thread and open a new one.
Using 9/11 as a scale of preference shows you know nothing about global terrorism.

Take your time and research on your own cos am not in the mood to lecture anyone this beautiful morning.

On your phone there, Google " Operation Ajax " read it with open unbiased mind and get back at me when you're through for small test.

hmmn..u must mistake me for an opportunist. The theory"operation Ajax" is alredi bcum a cliche. We're tired of that perspective alredi.
You're goin way outta line bro. This thread aint bou global terrorism as I can clearly see u're bringin "Diplomacy Vs religion" into this.
I raised several points in that post that has nothin to do with global terrorism but the ideology of islam being rooted in extreme intolerance. This doctrine(seemingly promoted by the quran), unfortunately, most moslems av not been able to buy their way out of.
If however ur wanna hinge on "global terrorism" as my objective for this post; kindly take a stroll to the politics section.

efismikoko:
Very true but I believe the theist are not doing something right because their bible says go out and do signs and wonders so the world will believe
Common sign dem no fit do their pastors keep staging miracles making it harder for athiest to believe there's a God

1stly, I'm a theist, BUT NOT A RELIGIOUS FANATIC as u must av imagined most of us to be.
2ndly, ur statement on staged miracles reeks of bigotry of the highest ineptitude. It's purely oxymoronic to say "common signs dem no fit do"...only for u to say again in a flash that "their pastors keep staging miracles". This means u've acknowledged the signs and wonders, but errant reasoning made u ascribe ALL of them to "staging"..
Not all Sir, the fact that u can't tap into their level of spiritual connectivity doesn't exactly give u room to dismiss its authenticity.

madridguy:
Don't blame muslim for 9/11 attack. Get your fact together.

You've chosen to tie 9/11 to 'subjective opinion'.
How about the many others in that post?

Jadonjack:
I guess op is a xtian......


That's what they do, they speak ill of any other religion they can think of...


They focus more on the tiny piece of others but refuse to see the log of wood in their own eyes

Dude..I'm not a religious fanatic as u assume most xtians to be. I'd rather subscribe to rudimentary thinking. U need to check my profile and see aw much of a critic I am to some xtian teachings as well.
I postulated my opinions on this thread..why don't u atleast attempt a scriptural explanation on dis to prove me wrong, even if it might end up unconvincing. You read ur quran don't u?
Kindly educate Me, if u're well enmeshed in ur religion as I suppose.
One beauty about xtians and atheists is their readiness in Dishing out logical, religious and defensive perspectives to issues that counters their faith..not wasting time rainin curses as y'all av been doin so far.
I expected this, so far I wasn't disappointed.
Cc: Madridguy, Jadonjack, hodusglobal, kakamorufu

madridguy:
Using 9/11 as preference means you know nothing about what you're saying.

I cited 9/11 1st in the post coz what follows are the evident foundation for such act(amongst others) that u and I witnessed. They weren't folklores(even if u choose to deny the rest). Stranger it is, seeing u guys deny ur kindred, the ones who strictly follow the quranic teachings of WAR.

30,000+ terror attacks (with 187,000+ people killed, and
265,000+ people injured) committed explicitly in the name
of Islam since September 11, 2001 (the past 15 years).

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Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killed for
insulting him or for criticizing his religion. This included
women. Muslims are told to emulate the example of
Muhammad.

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Muhammad said in many places that he has been "ordered
by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god
but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger." In the last
nine years of his life, he ordered no less than 65 military
campaigns to do exactly that.

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Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other
religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within
the first few decades following his death, his Arabian
companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish,
Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands. A mere 25 years
after Muhammad's death, Muslim armies had captured
land and people within the borders of over 28 modern
countries outside of Saudi Arabia.

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Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for
1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to
defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that
Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians,
Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah.
None of these other religions are at war with each other.
Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership
by formally threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is
according to the example set by Muhammad.

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The Quran never once speaks of Allah's love for non-
Muslims, but it speaks of Allah's cruelty toward and hatred
of non-Muslims more than 500 times.
For example: Koran or Quran sura 2:64, 191-193, 216, 244;
3:56, 151; 4:47, 52,56, 74, 76, 89, 95, 104; 5:33, 59-60;
8:12, 15, 39, 55, 57, 59-60, 65, 67; 9:5, 14, 20, 29, 30, 73; 17:16;
22:19-21; 25:52; 40:71-72; 47:3-4; 56:92-94; 66:9.

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"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who
disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike
off every fingertip of them."
-- Allah (Quran 8:12)

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"Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who
disbelieve in Allah."
-- Muhammad (Ibn Ishaq 992)

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"Love your neighbor and pray for those who
persecute you."
-- Jesus Christ (Matthew 5:44)

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What exactly could it be, about islam and its extreme "blood-thirsty" intolerance for anything contrary to their perspective?

4everGod:
True talk brother. Its like a bricklayer trying to understand or explain Chemistry when all they know is block, sand and cement in its physical form. Its absurd!

Bro...sinz we're both sure this argument will always end in a stalemate as it always does. Kindly take my advice and let it be. Fighting em' won't make em' listen. Be selective in ur battles.
I don't knw if I'm the only one finks debate such as this, in no way helps me to learn more on the virtues of being a xtian. If it were debates of a Moralist Vs religious perspective, that's kool to me, but this! ..Nah
Issues of creation and existence lies deeply rooted in our personal belief in theories of logically inexplicable and ambiguous origins we choose to accept via FAITH.
Plz, I plead with u. Let d issue lie.
Cc: Winner01

donnffd:
You shoot yourself in the foot...

First you say that anything that exists was caused by somethingelse, then you conclude that nothing brought the creator into existence!...really?

So if nothing brought him to existence, then why is it so hard to assume that nothing brought the universe into existence?

Or if you say he has always existed, then why is it hard to assume that the universe has always existed?

Lolz..I must commend u on this.
Touche!
Hmmn..Debating with u Atheists from a pragmatic perspective requires some apt level of contextual precision, coz u dudes got a way of filtering out suicidal innuendoes in an argument.
Most times I select the kinda issues I engage u atheists in.

MzPecs:
I'll simply say "I'm sorry, my boss can't speak with you right now"

Lolz..if it were som1 ur boss cud tell "I'm busy, can't speak with u right now"; he/she would av told u to tel him/her that straightup or did it him/herself.
So ur scope no gel, coz saying wat he/she dint tel u to say to the caller might cause a rift btw ur boss and the caller. You don't knw who's calling Ooo, neither do u knw why ur boss is avoidin the caller..
Chai! God help U if it apuns to be a major stakeholder in the company.

Tallesty1:
It is my boss that lied not me.
I am just a messenger.

Such a smart guy u are..
Let's examine the flipsides of the issue ur SMART comment propounded.

1."You're just a messenger"...simply tell the caller as a messenger that u are:
"MY BOSS SAYS to tell you he's not around"...
if u dare say:
"my boss is not around" OR "I don't know",
you're no longer speaking as a messenger but for urself as a matter of certainty of what u know for a fact. I don't need to tell u dis a lie.

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2. "You're just a messenger"..
I need you to help me rob a bank tomorrow noon. Don't worry, when the police apprehends u, just tell em': "I'm just a messenger; it's 0ubenji that robbed the bank; Not Me!"

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Smh

ObiOmaMu:
Bangalee is slaying this weekend and we love it.

He was styled by celebrity stylist Jeremiah Ogbodo of Swanky's signatures styling. Don and Dbanj performed at a birthday party last night. More pics below

http://www.lailasblog.com/2016/08/a-very-stylish-dbanj-meets-don-moen.html

The "birthday party" part tho...

solite3:
God bless you remain rapturable

Haha..advocating for rapture now?
Hmmn "remain rapturable"....Lolz...I love ur humor...


#We're officially friends.
BUT,

This doesn't stop us from being on opposing sides(if necessary) in subsequent debates of relevance.
TERMS & CONDITIONS APPLY..lolz

Exactly what u got served. From being a political desperado, like ur life depended on it.

It's pretty much accepted at this point in time that everyone
wears their wedding ring on the left ring finger. But why?
And do bride and grooms absolutely have to? Here, the
story behind left hand ring placement and whether or not
you have to follow this custom.





The story of wearing your wedding ring on the left hand can
be traced back to ancient Roman and Greek times (really!).
Back in that day, the Romans believed that the vein in the
ring finger (the fourth finger) on the left hand ran directly to
one's heart. Because of this belief, they called that vein the
"vena amoris" or vein of love. Naturally, to solidify a union
based on love, they'd place the ring on that finger that
housed the vein of love to signify the romance the newly
married couple shares. A pretty adorable physical
representation of two hearts being connected, don't you
think?




Western cultures have pretty much accepted this age old
wives tale to be true, wearing the engagement and then the
wedding rings on that left ring finger. Many people in
Europe, however, choose to wear their wedding rings on the
right hand's ring finger. Ultimately, the choice is yours!
As for wearing a wedding ring, it's completely up to your
personal preference, as I'm aware some couples use tattoo in place of rings, while others don't even use any of the aforementioned two, but it's of course a nice way to
symbolize your union.

And ur lust, my friend, is getting outta hand

solite3:
yes this is a forum where we learn but learning also include corrections
Look at your statement
@ bold you said it wasn't a mammal but a fish. The correction there is, you cannot use modern day ways of classification to discredit the fact that it may be a whale because the method of classification of animals back then is different.
Again since the type wasn't mentioned how did you know if it wasn't a whale?

Pls take note it may or may not be a whale but for the sake of clarity I stand with matt 12:40.
Shallom

I tot bou counterin an issue in ur comment asap, but then I saw ur white flag.
I like the way u ended ur write-up, that u choose to stand with matt 12:40. Ehen! Atleast u now av a perspective(opposed to Jonah's tho). I never forced my view up ur throat. Remember, I stated that opposing views are welcomed. Remain Blessed.

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The very day daddy G.O. Says







"any1 who reads the bible too much and goes to fellowship always, dropping offering and Tithe 2much. Prays for miracle 2much and forgets he/she has to work. That person shud be brought For deliverance coz religion is not food"





That very day henceforth, I'd bcum a devout RCCG member.

mojeer678:
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Yea...I'm very well informed on the scofield's conspiracy theory on rapture. All the details are here, I will dish out the piece, detailing it's "deceptive" pros and "destructive" cons, whenever necessary.

shadeyinka:
Death is NOT a cease-action of life. Death simply means a separation or disconnection of a mans soul and spirit from his body. A man exists fully and consciously even without his body. Check out Lazarus, Abraham and the Rich man...

By Gods nature, why should He be afraid of anything except the god you refer to is not the Almighty, All knowing and Omnipresent God. I have s feeling that the god you are referring to is LIMITED! I hope not.

Now u're introducin "body" into ur argument"...ur fmr and contextually contradictory terms were " spirit", "eternal by nature", and "rebirthed"..
I think you shud read ur bible again to be sure why Man wasn't linked with eternal life until Jesus came.
We were talkin bou Adam and Eve initially(strictly within the terms of the old testament), out of the blue, u brought the story of Lazarus and the rich man(which is in a different term of the new testament).
Sir, as at when these guys were driven out of Eden, the conditions of their spiritual life had nothing to do with ur comparison on the new testament. No such thing was in mind then.
U wanna drag me into a long lecturing session now. I can't be involved with that, sir.
You said "all knowing God", hmmm...I agree
There's a controversial perspective of an entirely different debate u wanna bring here, if I start it with u, this thread might be greatly derailed. However, ur comments on my thread are appreciated.
I'll mention u somewhr soon, just wanna refer u to a thread whr I've had this sort of talk b4 on "all knowing God" and the Adam and Eve debate. Thanks

solite3:
bold this goes to show you don't even understand what
you wrote. You are the one who suppose to tell me the type of fish since you said it is not a whale
I neither agreed nor disagreed with you
It may or it may not be a whale
You are saying whale is not a fish only because scientist do
not classify whale as fish but remember the author was not
a scientist.
So the burden of proof lies with you sir!

I am supposed to tell u d type of fish the author refused to describe?. U askin if he was a scientist, forgetting he wasn't a trained writer in any way either, yet he wrote with such skill. If I encounter a kind of animal in the bush, I don't need to be a scientist to give a detailed description(as an eyewitness), so that someone who may apun to knw the creature(from the description) can recognize it and probably name it, TO AVOID CONFUSION. That, my friend, is common sense. How do u even reason on this, sir? It's very Strange I must say.
My write-up on jonah nd the whale in the context of my original post(If u read to comprehension) is to exterminate any sort of confusion as to whether it's a fish or whale and it ended thr. Pointing out that, they aint the same. I never raised any issue on the type of fish. You're the one here putting jonah on the hot seat as to the type of fish he strangely refused to describe AT ALL.
Bro..what exactly is ur argument. I find myself lecturing u somehow and it aint kool to me. Find a perspective to holdon onto jaree. We need to learn on forums such as these.