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Crime › Re: Is this even possible, i've sent money to an 'invalid account' (pics) by 0ubenji(m): 1:50pm On Aug 02, 2016
The annoying incoherency of ur story is an evidence the alcohol is stil very well domiciled in ur system
Christianity Etc › Re: 30 Quotes By Renowned Atheists by 0ubenji(op): 1:29pm On Aug 02, 2016
Richirich713:
Why didn't Stalin make the list?
I don't mind u post his atheism quotes here.
Christianity Etc › Re: Whom Exactly Was Cain Afraid Of? by 0ubenji(op): 1:07pm On Aug 02, 2016
tempem:
He was really talking about the future, he sure knows the story will be told and bear in mind that people do live long then.
Methuselah lived for 969yrs. Gen 5:27
Adam himself lived for 930yrs Gen 5:5.
Take into consideration the long life span, so, those to be born will meet him alive, and the story about what he did will be told.
Bro..I reasoned this too but..

Take note of the phrase "whoever finds me"..taking this contextually(as should be) means, this unmentioned person(s) is/are probably searching for him as at that time..and he's supposedly into hiding from this/these person(s) , to avoid being killed..

So his fright is not a futuristic issue as u put it in the view of descendants.
The only ppl to left to find and kill him in this sense..are his parents...which is quite unimaginable..
Christianity Etc › Re: 30 Quotes By Renowned Atheists by 0ubenji(op): 12:08pm On Aug 02, 2016
johnydon22:
Let me answer and chip in my own thoughts within these subtle thoughts -

It is indeed an incredible con job, a remarkble testimony to human idiocy when grasping more on the emotional aspect of our cognitive lean.

Isn't it stupendous that people never stopped and thought - Yahweh chased Adam and eve out of the garden so they wouldn't eat the fruit of Immortality and live forever because they now had the knowledge of good and bad [according to the bible] now turns around and promises you immortality after you are dead

Its the most sinister and genius con job i know, because after selling immortality for 10% of people's income nobody can ever come back and ask for a refund when the product is not delivered.



It is useful because a social order is needed, religion is one of those tools.



It is a suffocating sad fate to the intellectual evolution of our species.



Because "belief" is about uncertainty, when ever you profess belief, you are affirming uncertainty on the subject of belief.

You cannot accept what you know by belief - knowing is certainty.. And the worst part is - most cannot even tell the difference between "Belief" and "knowledge". that which they believe becomes the totality of what they know.

spinoza God, very worthy concept.


Ignorance at a time is bliss, knowledge is a burden that needs to grow more, a burden that batters you with the uncaring whips of reality.

I think most people are comfortable with the "Myth" pill, you know take the drug that provides you with that cozy, warm and okay feel rather then look and accept the cold reality as it is.



Exactly: Cus one has already substituted what "he/she wants, feels to be be true" for "what actually is".

Faith is a dishonest position, makes people feel it's okay to pretend to know what nobody actually knows.



Theories can still be wrong even at that…



Surely, to ensure societal well being and continuity.


Not necessarily true.. not all thinking men are atheists and not all atheists are critical thinking men.


In the realistic point of view.


The blackcat analogy
Philosophy is like being in a dark room looking for a blackcat wondering where it might be.

Science is like being in a dark room looking for a blackcat with a torch light.

Religion is like being in a dark room looking for a blackcat and shouting "i've found it" but yet cant produce the cat.




It goes both ways, let us not always dwell on the negative side - that'd mean dishonesty.

It also takes religion to make evil people to do good things.



If you are looking for answers about nature and you visit religious books, you almost certainly have the wrong answer.



In a way but not always true.… Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it's not there.



Truer than true.
Best quote of the lot.

Let's assume there is a creator who made man and gave man reason and intelligence - it/she/he would expect we use it - dumping reason and analytic intellect for blind faith as a boat of piety to an intelligent causer of man's intellect would be a very huge insult to it's intellect.

If there is actually a god or gods: theism is more so an insult to it than atheism.



Gbaaam



I'd contend that nobody actually believes in one god, even the so called monetheic religions also acknowledge other deities in their terminology, mostly as a counter deity [an evil counter part to the good one] or triune gods

Polytheism acknowledges the existence of many gods - so as long as you acknowledge the existence of other deities like satan in your doctrine then it's not monetheism even if you do worship only one.

Polytheism is about whether more than 1 deity exists not whether you agree tk worship them..

A critical look at this shows there is nothing like monotheism.




The outright abhorrence and lies - its sad that most people end the need or reach of their intellect on such primitive book.

I contend that atheism is an organization.

This is deep.



Very fragile, more so that they need man in order to be relevant. Cant even speak or act for themselves.

If you believe yout hallucinations are real then you are insane but if a group of people believe some else's hallucination is real, they are religious.

or they have less the ego of humans to make themselves the apex of the entirety of creation or make a copy of themselves and put them behind the purpose and causality of the cosmos.

the Gods or God are just an imagined copy of man deified.



Prophecies are so vague that astrology begins to sound even real.

If mastigated within the iron clad teeth of reason, you will discover how bitter it is and may spit it out without swallowing.



If people are to invent a God let them at least invent ones worth my worship and respect.



appeared twice.


Noble thoughts of Epicurus still remained unanswered...
https://www.nairaland.com/3200618/epicurean-argument-evil-god
Definition of free-thinker
Christianity Etc › Re: What Jesus Does Not Know!!! by 0ubenji(m): 11:46am On Aug 02, 2016
FlySly05:
That information is classified. His security clearance is not privy to such level of classified data.
Oshey!!...ur grammar sweet die..ur aptless comment is another intelligent way to say " I don't know"...
Christianity Etc › Whom Exactly Was Cain Afraid Of? by 0ubenji(op): 11:39am On Aug 02, 2016
According to Genesis 4:13-14, shortly after cain killed his brother Abel, “Cain said to the LORD,
‘My punishment is more than I can bear. Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, AND WHOEVER FINDS ME WILL KILL ME’.

* Whom exactly was Cain afraid of?

The only people the book of Genesis had mentioned to this point are Adam and Eve (Cain’s parents) and Abel (who was now dead).

*Who would possibly be a threat to Cain?
Romance › Re: 8 Husbandly Duties Nigerian Guys Should Avoid With Their Girlfriends by 0ubenji(m): 11:21am On Aug 02, 2016
tabisegroup:
Without much expansions and show-working tactics on this topic, I want to go straight to the points, as a follow up to an earlier threat on: "7 wifely duties Nigerian ladies should avoid with their boyfriends"
Here are 8 Husbandly duties Nigerian Guys should avoid with their girlfriends
1. DONT TURN YOURSELF INTO WOMAN WRAPPER: Don't try to please ur girlfriend and her friends by taking them to the movies, shopping mall, weddings and all manner of outings. save ur money for the rainy days.
2. DON'T PAY FOR HER HAIRDRESSING: Stop buying Brazilian, Mexican, Japanese or even Nigerian weavon and attachment for her. if she can't maintain her hair, she can barb it. It's not ur duty to pay for ur girlfriend's hairdressing expanses.
3. DO NOT WASH HER CLOTHS: Its no more news that some girls now are rustling to testing their boyfriends to see how caring and loving they are buy asking them to wash their underwear (pants, bra, bikini etc) and some go as far as asking their guys to fix pad on their pants during menstruation..WTF!. if she can't maintain a personal cleanliness then she's not worth being a Bae!
4. DO NOT BECOME HER FAMILY WALFARE OFFICER: There's nothing wrong in giving and being generous. But u have to be careful when giving for love. "Love demands giving but avoid putting yourself in the position where u do all the givings"...Distinguished Sen Tabise (2016)
5. DO NOT TURN YOURSELF INTO HER PERSONAL DRIVER: The ladies and the front sit of the car are like ..(u know d normal pic) 5&6. Don't allow her to cajol u and turn u into her personal and even family driver. Every event she wants to attend ..naming ceremony, TM, weddings, birthday etc, it's ur car. obviously she doesn't know the cost of maintaining a car and fueling it to be on the road. once it breaks down she will jumb into the next available one.
6. DO NOT TAKE HER OUT ON EXPENSIVE DATES: Don't think u will impress her by taking her out to expensive eateries and joints. it doesn't make her love u the more but she will regard u a spender. Instead, buy her books on personal development and character building so that she can become a good and productive wife material for her future family and society at large.
7. DONT TRY TO REPLACE OR COMPETE WITH HER FATHER IN TRAINING HER: If u think training ur girlfriend will make her marry u or you are sponsoring a girl u are not married to for her to come and marry u..well, that's the biggest one chance you have entered! u don't train someone in school for marriage rather, to acquire formal education.
lastly but not the least,
8. DO NOT YIELD TO HER SEXUAL ADVANCES AND TRICKS: The truth of the matter is, sexual pleasure and intimacy is reserved for the married couples. DO not allow ur girlfriend to threaten u by saying if u don't sleep with her for her to know how strong u claim u are in bed as a man, she will leave u. Don't mind her, or is she the one that has the calibration for determining good sex?!
You add yours
Cc: Danceville
Politics › Re: Mike Smith on Twitter: "Nigerian Police Are So Friendly" by 0ubenji(m): 9:33am On Aug 02, 2016
solid3:
See what a white man tweeted about Nigerian police
"The Nigerian police are so friendly. We were pulled over twice in the last 10mins just because they wanted to wish us happy weekend. "


https://mobile.twitter.com/mikejsmith504/status/320307436823138304
Super-stale
Romance › Re: Naive Girls And This Mentality Of Theirs by 0ubenji(m): 12:23pm On Aug 01, 2016
Sexxkillz:
[color=#000030]So relationships are now all about sex? You ask her out for a relationship. She tells you there'll be no sex. You didn't break up with her at that point, but you went on with the relationship, and cheated on your promise to her, with another girl. And then, you blame her for your own offense?
Peppersoup logic.
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firstking01:
I think it all boils down to mutual understanding and agreement between the both parties...and most times the fault could from the guy..

Lets look at it in this scenario, you met a girl and ask her out, she agreed dating you but with the " no sex" condition attached to it, you agreed but later on you cheated on her without her consent saved cos she told you no sex till marriage, so, in this case who's fault is it?, i think it's the guy's....

Bottomline, inother to avoid all these shady story that touches the heart, i'd implore we date somebody who holds the same view and believe with you, and be ready to meet and agree with his/her terms and conditions.
U are talkin as if u dnt knw that when a guy agrees to the "no sex"rule...he only did it to get the relationship goin..expectin to change the game with time..
A guy might sincerely share. D same view with a girl at 1st..buh we both knw priorities in relationships are dynamic..they change wit time
Romance › Re: Naive Girls And This Mentality Of Theirs by 0ubenji(m): 12:13pm On Aug 01, 2016
Naughtysite:
Most relationships of today are not built on love. Its all about me, what i want.

Some even apply wickedness to their partners to make the person subservient or weaker in the relationship.

You hear things like, " if you dont give me money for cloth and hair, i wont sleep with you "..

O boy, nah to kuku go carry harlot. Since relationship is exchange of one thing for another.

That same girl claiming no sex, just pay N100,000 into her account and see how she will 4ck out ur brains in one month. Smiling sheepishly..
Lolx..this ur ideology strong oo..tho realistic
Christianity Etc › “it’s Not Right To Identify Islam With Violence” – Pope Francis by 0ubenji(op): 11:01am On Aug 01, 2016
Pope Francis has refused to describe Islam as “terrorist”,
because it is “not fair and not true”.
Francis was asked by reporters on the papal plane returning
to Rome from Poland why he never used the word “Islam”
when condemning killings by extremists like that of an
elderly priest in France last week.


The Pope said “it’s not right to identify Islam with violence”,
adding that every religion had its “little group of
fundamentalists”.

He said that if he spoke of violent Islam, he would have to
speak of violent Catholicism, since Catholics kill too.

Referring to the Islamic State group, Francis, 79, said it
“presents itself with its violent identity card, but it’s not
Islam”.


During his five-day pilgrimage in southern Poland he prayed
privately in a church that God protect people from the
“devastating wave” of terrorism in many parts of the world.
Francis told young people who flocked by the hundreds of
thousands that they needed to “believe in a new humanity”
stronger than evil and warned against concluding that one
religion was more violent than others.

Christianity Etc › Re: 30 Quotes By Renowned Atheists by 0ubenji(op): 10:20am On Aug 01, 2016
soberdrunk:
Its ironic how my christian neighbor is always willing to tell me how to get to heaven" the land of infinite pleasures but will not disclose where he buys fuel at #143............ grin
Hahahaahahahaha...ur comment made my day...like for real?
Christianity Etc › Re: 30 Quotes By Renowned Atheists by 0ubenji(op): 9:45am On Aug 01, 2016
Tenison96:
Nigeria
No. 7 is my fav. A bitter and truest reality it is..#AmNotAnAtheist
Christianity Etc › 30 Quotes By Renowned Atheists by 0ubenji(op): 9:14am On Aug 01, 2016
1. It’s an incredible con job when you think about it, to
believe something now in exchange for something after
death. Even corporations with their reward systems don’t try
to make it posthumous. — Gloria Steinem.

2. Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by
the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Edward
Gibbon.


3. The whole thing is so patently infantile, so foreign to
reality, that to anyone with a friendly attitude to humanity it
is painful to think that the great majority of mortals will
never be able to rise above this view of life. — Sigmund
Freud.


4. A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and
he is turned out for what he knows. — Samuel Clemens.


5. I believe in God, only I spell it Nature. — Frank Lloyd
Wright.


6. The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no
more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is
happier than a sober one. — George Bernard Shaw.


7. Faith means not wanting to know what is true. — Friedrich Nietzsche.


8. Creationists make it sound like a ‘theory’ is something you
dreamt up after being drunk all night — Isaac Asimov.



9. I don’t believe in God. My god is patriotism. Teach a man
to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life. — Andrew Carnegie.



10. All thinking men are atheists. — Ernest Hemingway.



11. Lighthouses are more helpful then churches. - Benjamin
Franklin.


12. Philosophy is questions that may never be answered.
Religion is answers that may never be questioned. –
Anonymous.



13. With or without religion, you would have good people
doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for
good people to do evil things, that takes religion. – Steven
Weinberg.



14. Since the Bible and the church are obviously mistaken in
telling us where we came from, how can we trust them to
tell us where we are going? – Anonymous.



15. The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.
– Delos B. McKown.


16. Two hands working can do more than a thousand
clasped in prayer. – Anonymous.



17. Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of
human intelligence. – Anonymous.


18. What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed
without proof. – Christopher Hitchens.


19. I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one
fewer god than you do. When you understand why you
dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why
I dismiss yours. – Stephen Roberts.



20. It ain’t the parts of the Bible that I can’t understand that
bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. – Mark Twain.


21. Atheism is a non-prophet organization. – George Carlin.


22. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power
but absolute power is corrupt only in the hands of the
absolutely faithful. – Anonymous.


23. Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of
science or a dose of common sense. – Chapman Cohen.


24. When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called
insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is
called religion. – Robert Pirsig.


25. Animals do not have gods, they are smarter than that. –
Ronnie Snow.


26. Most religions prophesy the end of the world and then
consistently work together to ensure that these prophecies
come true. – Anonymous.


27. Religions are like pills, which must be swallowed whole
without chewing. – Anonymous.


28. If I were not an atheist, I would believe in a God who
would choose to save people on the basis of the totality of
their lives and not the pattern of their words. I think he
would prefer an honest and righteous atheist to a TV
preacher whose every word is God, God, God, and whose
every deed is foul, foul, foul. – Isaac Asimov.


29. Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by
the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. – Seneca the
Younger.


30. Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is
malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence
cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call
him God? – Epicurus
Politics › Re: I'm A Big Fool For Campaigning For Sheriff To Become PDP Chairman - Ayo Fayose by 0ubenji(m): 8:23am On Aug 01, 2016
perfectwazobia1:
I see so Fayose is giving you nightmare grin continue to be a Zombie tongue
Nah...am not inclined to political idiocy of a sentimental nature like I suppose u are..
Seeing a group of intelligent fools factionalizing demsefs as Zombies and Wailers really cracks me up..
None of these tinz move me..I read dem for leisure..
I'm neither in support nor against any of the sides or political characters y'all foolishly cling to..
So kindly chill with ur banters and wait for ur kind to throw em' at..they will be here soon....#ProudlyApathetic
Politics › Re: I'm A Big Fool For Campaigning For Sheriff To Become PDP Chairman - Ayo Fayose by 0ubenji(m): 7:43am On Aug 01, 2016
Just like the day to come wherein u wud also call urself a fool for always tacklin dullardeen
Romance › Re: “please Help, My Wife’s Mother Seduces Me!” by 0ubenji(op): 8:59pm On Jul 31, 2016
Oche211:
she just said the truth na. This ur story no need make person reason am at all. Anyway u try for the story, hope u get blog wey u go dey post am abi na nairaland here all of them dey.
http://www.yabaleftonline.com/2016/07/please-help-my-wifes-mother-seduces-me/
U can withold ur apology, if at all..u maturedly have one to offer thereafter.
Cc: olaleks007, stobery, Fajs
Romance › Re: “please Help, My Wife’s Mother Seduces Me!” by 0ubenji(op): 8:38pm On Jul 31, 2016
Ladycloud:
Seduce her back!!!!
Hmmmn...so if ur fada-in-law reason u...u sef go _____??
Romance › “please Help, My Wife’s Mother Seduces Me!” by 0ubenji(op): 8:30pm On Jul 31, 2016
#Read&Shared#
I am okay financially, living well and self made. I met Halima on a trip to Dubai.
Hai! Halima is beautiful. Her smooth flawless skin, her dove shaped innocent eyes, her well rounded figure! Kai! Allah! Halima is an Egyptian goddess. I couldn’t withstand the bulge that greeted my zipline as I watched Halima saunter her way passed the queue with her luggage.
I hurried to her and after a few quick jokes she gave me her number. We started to talk and I realised that Halima owns a fashion school here in Maitama. I went there and was impressed by how classy the place was. Halima looked as splendid as ever and while we talked all I could think about was how our lips would feel locked together.
Her father is late, he died eight years ago, so I was eager to see the woman that single handedly made Halima into the wonder that she was. And I was not too surprised. Halima’s mother was as stunning, or even more stunning than Halima. Her wrinkle free, milky white skin would make even the most reverent of reverends rethink his vows. Her luscious well formed lips. Her long flowing natural hair, like a million tears have held their hands, just to cry again. I got married to Halima in one of the spacious chapels in central Abuja, and my world was joyous.
After our first daughter was borne, Halima’s mother decided to come live with us for a while. I was impressed by how even at forty eight, she was quite trendy and chic.
We developed a good rapport and all was fine…Till Halima’s mum started making passes at me.
I started noticing how she touches me, long lingering touches that suggest more than what they at first glance, would imply.
Nowadays, whenever Halima is not home she would wear a short towel and sit in the parlour, opposite me, her open thighs spreading now and then.
Recently, towel clad and wearing nothing within, she came and sat in my laps and asked me to rub her, complaining about how it ached.
I am trying my best to respect myself but the temptation is becoming unbearable and I don’t know how to tell Halima about this.
What if she doesn’t believe me? Afterall it’s her mother for God’s sake! Yesterday, she ran out of the bathroom naked, screaming that she saw a rat. I checked thoroughly and there was nothing.
People, What should I do?
Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Christian Make Heaven If He Doesn't Go To Church? by 0ubenji(m): 7:09pm On Jul 31, 2016
Fit2Rule:
To appropriately answer this question, we need to understand that the "church" and the "church building" are not exactly the same. The real church is our bodies, the dwelling place of the Holy Spirit. (1 Cor. 6:19). When Jesus chose Peter as the foundation of his Church (Matt. 16:18,19), Christ wasn't talking about the church building (how could a house be built upon Peter? ).
Do you also remember what Jesus himself told the Samaritan woman in John 4:20 - 24? Note the woman's statement in Vs 20. She was referring to the "Church building" in Jerusalem. But Jesus told her that true worship is neither on the mountain (a church place) nor in Jerusalem (the Church building) but in spirit and in truth (the Church). We need to go beyond worshipping in the church building to worshipping in the church for that is the key to making heaven for those who believe. He who has an ear, let him hear.
Over and out.
Peace.
Alas! I found a christian on this thread..amongst a thousand religious fanatics.
Bro..ur education is obviously not a waste..keep it up
Romance › Re: Exposed! Mizzbouqui Is A Guy.. by 0ubenji(m): 1:31pm On Jul 31, 2016
mhisbliss:
Get a life pervs chasing any moniker with f in front of it like he goats don't you av shame? cheesy
Why u kari person mata for head mehn...
Romance › Re: Exposed! Mizzbouqui Is A Guy.. by 0ubenji(m): 1:29pm On Jul 31, 2016
johnson232:
Mizzbouqui, why are you deceiving guys by posing as a lady? huh?
U better quit this deceitful act for your own good? undecided
U had berra present convincin evidence asap b4 I close this thread..#countdown
Romance › Re: What Gender Is BOO? by 0ubenji(op): 12:56pm On Jul 31, 2016
BornInApril:
it is actually bull from the taurus zodiac sign also called "the bull" that was changed to boo used in referring to males.
But not all boos are bulls
Only a taurean can be a bull
U juz gave me anoda angle to the etymology of dat "Boo" word...I av read bou two other origins of the word tho
Romance › Re: What Gender Is BOO? by 0ubenji(op): 12:55pm On Jul 31, 2016
eph12:
Not only that. I also agree that he was talking about gays lesbians undecided
Hmmn..that one sef dey
Romance › Re: Wedding Night Survival by 0ubenji(m): 12:35pm On Jul 31, 2016
JESUSBOIY:
The thunder that will fire any girl that is foolish enough to purchase this shi..., is still doing press up angry angry !
Girls would not av resorted to this, if steewpid guys ain't busy with d desperation to marry virgins as if getting married to a virgin is a guarantee for good children..
Romance › Re: What Gender Is BOO? by 0ubenji(op): 12:17pm On Jul 31, 2016
eph12:
Yes
Exactly my tot on that song..tho I've had peeps disagree on that, saying the boo thr refers to female..
dat means u agree(wit me)to d idea that a Boo is male..
Romance › What Gender Is BOO? by 0ubenji(op): 12:02pm On Jul 31, 2016
It's quite unclear whether the secular society affixed gender to these terms..but It seems to me ppl do refer to the male as BOO and female as BAE most of the time. Yet again u hear guys calling dem babes "baby boo"..
It leaves one wondering exactly what harrysong meant in his song titled "raggae blues"..
The line that goes "even ur boo get boo"...
Is it to mean that a female's BF is gay having another BF?
Romance › The Weak Guys Who Claim Superman In The Bedroom by 0ubenji(op): 5:17pm On Jul 30, 2016
Do u fink bleeping long hours on condoms gives a man the right to claim he's strong in bed?

Most times I see the "kiss and tell" guys bragging about their sexual prowess and all that. You'll hear things like "I can go 1hr bleeping without coming".."I don't use any sex-enhancing drug but I take very long to come"
"I can do 7rounds yet, I no go come"..."Na the babe sef go beg me"....
Only for u to find out he had a condom on in all these scenarios.
$ex with condom is never as exciting, pleasurable and intimate as going without condom. If u can bleep as long as u claim u do in bed without condom..then u can claim to whatever it is u are in the bedroom.
Most of these bragging guys, if they try it without the condom, some no dey even last reach half of their usual, sinx they can't handle the intense and uncapped series of pleasure.
Romance › Re: We All Fell For This,true Or Nah (pic) by 0ubenji(m): 4:53pm On Jul 30, 2016
Nah..I was never the clingy type..my folks confirmed that to me..strangely, reverse was the case for me..
Christianity Etc › Re: The Tree Of Knowledge: Cause Of Freewill? by 0ubenji(m):
Maamin:
Thanks for the correction in the place of my bad spelling of "repercussion" though it happens sometimes where some spellings eludes us. wink

Your understanding of freewill baffles me..let's say u have your freewill to decide to wake up one faithful day and pounce on ur parent but you are not doing this, why? Because you know the repercussion that will follow which is 'curse(s)' but you still decided to go ahead and do so bringing upon yourself curse. Will you still consider your parent compromising your expression of your freewill ?

Now, been given freewill does not mean orders and commandment or conditions can't be given as well. But in as much as the freewill (right to either obey or disobey ) solely and wholely belongs to Adam and Eve.

Same way the right to dish out (reward or punishment ) belongs to the order and commandment giver in the person of (God)

Henceforth, freewill still implies that you have the will to either be good or bad person in which both choices you are bound to make attracts either reward or punishment because a condition is given (in the case of Adam and Eve)

Note: this does not overrule their freewill because it is their choice to make.

I might not answer you again..shalom aleikhem!
The fact that I can't pounce on my parents to beat them, IF I HAPPEN TO FEEL LIKE, coz I'm scared of the consequences from their end is never a definition of freewill..I don't av the freedom to do as I wud av wanted..the fact that a child is obedient doesn't necessarily tell us that's what he wud av loved to do, IF HE HAD THE FREEWILL pass from his parents. *When a deterrent measure is consequential to any action, freewill is non-existent*
The moment u fink of that deterrent measure, it definitely controls how u act. A controlled act is never FREEWILLED
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Idi Amin, the infamous Ugandan dictator used to say "you have freedom of speech, but freedom after speech? That I can't guarantee"...#Food4thought.
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free will.

noun.

Popularity: Bottom 50% of words.
Simple Definition of free will.

:
the ability to choose how to act
:
the ability to make choices that are not controlled by fate or
God.

Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary.

Examples: free will in a sentence.

Full Definition of free will
1
:
voluntary choice or decision <I do this of my own free will>
2
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freedom of humans to make choices that are not
determined by prior causes or by divine intervention.
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This is my parting gift to u dear friend..u obviously av missed some classes in semantics..
Irrespective of ur reply..Am done with this argument..

Nice meeting U....
Christianity Etc › Re: The Tree Of Knowledge: Cause Of Freewill? by 0ubenji(m): 12:59pm On Jul 29, 2016
Maamin:
No! you got it wrong. Freewill has nothing to do with condition, it is not attached to any condition whatsoever, but rather it is the choices (good or bad) that you make which has a repacaution..hope you get that?
*repercussion*..

Being mandated to eat fruits of evry tree in a garden aside one particular tree is not an expression of freewill, sinx thrz a condition not to eat fruit of one particular tree..
U can't invite me to a buffet to eat and drink any food being served except one nd tel me "I'm free to eat anything"..what if wat u dnt want me to eat is what I actually want?
Then u've hampered my freewill..give dat a tot..
This is a debate of the contextual application of the "freewill" term to the event of man's downfall..
Examine d scenario genesis illustrated and the actual meaning of freewill...they don't correlate..
Man never had freewill b4 eating that fruit..
Now, speaking of repercussion(as in ur comment)..if the repercussion of the choice Adam nd Eve made was influenced by God(as genesis put it), as read in the book of Genesis that God cursed dem afterwards..then he neva gave dem freewill in the actual sense as u try to put..nah..
The bible paints us a picture of Adam and Eve as haven disobeyed God..
U can only disobey an order/decree/command..but u can never disobey what u've been given FREEWILL to do..

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