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Do you view yourself as a self-made man or woman?
If you do, you may want to take another look in the mirror.
What’s wrong with the “self-made” theory?
Everything!
If your pride, ego, arrogance, insecurity, or ignorance keeps you from recognizing the contributions of others, then it’s time for a wake-up call. If your delusions of grandeur is overwhelming your humility. I'd advise you do some introspection.

Today’s “leadership” culture seems to encourage
personal glorification above all else.
Here’s the thing "real leaders don’t take credit, they give it!"
While I take complete responsibility for all my failures and shortcomings, I take very little credit for my own success. Virtually all of the good things that have happened to me over the years have been the result of the collaborative efforts of many. I have found
most mature and real leadership-minded people tend to share this perspective.
Leadership isn’t about self-serving behaviors; it’s about service beyond self.

It’s not about you, and when it becomes about you, trouble
is not too far away.

I don’t know about you, but I absolutely reject all the “self-
made man” propaganda floating around business circles as
patently false. The myth of the self-made person is so
ridiculous that you even see oppportunists brandishing their luck with the term.
Enter the media; journalists and publicists have made legends of out of success stories like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Aliko Dangote, Mark Zuckerberg and a host of other inspirational stories.
While I don’t question for a moment the legendary
success of the aforementioned, I do question whether their acclaimed success was solely a matter of “self.”
Behind every success are significant investments and contributions by some if not all of the following people: family, friends, associates, protagonists, antagonists, advisors, teachers, authors, mentors, coaches, and the list could goes on.
I wonder then, why people decieve themselves with the "self-made" man theory.

Other than in a Rambo movie, there is no such thing as a "1-man army". Realizing that you need help is a sign of leadership maturity,
and a good indicator that you're ready to achieve set goals, realistically. You need to learn to operate beyond the limitations of your own personal bubble of "I'll make it on my own" and make yourself easy to help.
As far as Nigeria of today is concerned, screaming "self-made" is highly indicative of an illegit source of wealth; more often than not.

allytinted:
What about those without a define pattern of sleep? that is, those that observe all of the above.

most of these folks are more conformed to the starfish position. It's coz that position is usually indicative of careless sleep postures that allows the individual switch into various other positions. This makes dem prone to snoring.

hopefulLandlord:
Oubenji, you've earned my respect

Its difficult to earn but you just did, not saying you're right but you debate intelligently

Kudos bro

Thnx Mahn..u're a worthy opponent I must say.
The objective of a debate for me, is to Learn or to be Learnt from, rather than wanting to be right.
The moment ur opponent learns sumtin from u, u r right(he doesn't av to agree) and Vice-versa or in some cases; Mutual.

zicoraads:
Typical mentality of 'village' boiz.

Need u bring ethnocentrism to evri issue?
I made a harmless statement to som1 else on my fear of insurgency tendecies in the north..nd u the "city" boi tot it well matured enuf to insult me.

zicoraads:
Typical mentality of 'village' boiz.

I forgive ur ignorance irrespective of ur resolve to apologize or not.

sorextee:
Two students belonging to a rival cult were shot ND hacked to death, for our street. And one of dem papa na one general for army. Na soldiers u wan explain to say d two cutlass wey dey under ur bed na for protection?

Naa long story sha..

Hmmn..I doubt if I'll ever step foot in that north til I kpai..
Which state if I may ask?

prettythicksme:
Op wat about me that sleep face up with my legs on the wall?

Haha..correct!
Na ppl like una yoruba dey call Winch. For real!
That position is a taboo to the yorubas

ChappyChase:
Me was once a free fall person till the day I woke up and couldn't move my neck now na Soldier sure pass!

Lolz..I really don't envy u peeps with the Soldier position tho.
Aw do u guys do it? I feel vulnerable in dat position, I feel like somtin might juz come in a flash and stab me right on the chest. I hail una sha.
Mehn..na Foetus and Yearner sure for me pass.
The attributes of Yearner captured my personality so well (except the cynical part) with a few from Foetus.

sorextee:
I had two under my bed in skool. Cos the estate where I stayed was a haven for one particular cult group like dat.
And they were disturbing my roommate make him join dem cos d guy dey gym dat time. So a man had to protect himself too. Till i was busted by one security operative like dat.

Busted for self-protection?
How?

gracile:
Op, wat bout those that sleep like they're doing allahu Akbar(somewhat kneeling)?

I fink. I saw that once. I'd call that Snail position..lolz

sorextee:
My favorite sleeping position is no 3. A man has to be at alert, even while sleeping. Cos you don't know the kind of arrows that fly at night. I don't sleep deep though. Any slight movement, I'm already awake.

That's what you learn, living in the north..

Hehe...badt guy...ready for gobe!
Even in sleep mode sef.
I sure say u go get cutlass by ur side on dat bed

herbie27:
You're funny.

*winks*

herbie27:
Not totally, I don't have a gregarious nature, though friendly bt an introvert.

I guess that's whr the combinations of the sleep positions come in with variant attributes attached to dem

ariyebaba:
No 6 ......................
Na ka ko be dat nah

Hmmn..sensitive at heart. Seems like the ladies man

herbie27:
I sleep on the Foetus position when i'm cold. my regular sleeping positions are: 5th & 2nd.

So op, what does that mean?.

Lolz..I aint a diviner bae..
The positions u admitted to av attributes ascribed to dem..the questn shud be..does it describe ur personality in any way?

kullozone:
But I Sleep In All The Positions Na...

Lolz..na ppl like una fit hug person from sleep. All na skillz

finalboss1:
i dnt no how i do sleep...is it bad ?

I feel u sleep rather deeply then. Tho, I can't say if u av a bad sleep habit, but, so far, deep sleep lifestyle gives a tendency for bad sleep habits. Wherein some might av to plank u with beta dry wood, just to wake u.

herbie27:
I sleep on the Foetus position when i'm cold. my regular sleeping positions are: 5th and

Freefall and ________?

So Countrygirl, sinx u apun to sleep more in position 1., do those attributes kinda describe u?

1. STARFISH

Do you sleep on your back with your arms up around your
head, doing your best impression of a sea star? If so, you
are probably a good friend to have, lending an ear to those
in need and always willing to help out. Meanwhile, you don’t
enjoy being the center of attention. Like soldier sleepers,
starfish slumberers may be prone to snoring.

2. YEARNER
If you sleep on your side with both arms out in front of your body, then you probably tend to have an open nature, but can be suspicious and cynical. Yearners are slow to make decisions, but once they’ve made up their mind they are determined not to change it.

3. SOLDIER
Soldier sleepers recline on their backs with both arms straight down the sides, just like, you know, a soldier. Sleeping like this may suggest that you are quiet and reserved. You probably don’t like to fuss about things, but also have high standards. Note that this position often leads to snoring.

4. LOG

Do you sleep like a log? In terms of position, that is — lying
on your side with both arms down straight along your torso.
These sleepers are easy-going extroverts who like being part
of the hip crowd. They trust strangers, and thus, can be
gullible.

5. FREEFALL

If you sleep on your stomach with your hands up by your
ears and your head turned to the side, you tend to be a sociable person, fond of company; but one who is
sensitive underneath and doesn’t like criticism or extreme
situations. That said, sleeping in this position is great for
your digestion!

Does the way in which you sleep reveal your true nature? This post concludes that it just might. Let's see!
6. FOETUS
Do you sleep curled up on your side? If so, you aren’t alone ­ Those who sleep in the fetus position are said to be tough on the outside but sensitive at heart. And while shy upon first encounters, they open up quickly. More than twice as many women than men sleep in this position.

Lolz..a major reason Y I laff weneva I see people who take politics so serious.
This RNDA claimed the fmr president in the company of eminent south-south personalities begged for their cease-fire, to which they listened and distanced demsefs from NDA, consequently forming RNDA.
Not forgetting their claims to release the names of their sponsors if NDA don't stop attacks and listen to the pleas of this same fmr president and others.
Now they release a list of sponsors with the Mr. Fmr president as the chief sponsor..lolz...
Naija Politics is a good litmus test for one's stupidity. Ur credulity determines ur level of folly. NONSENSE

raphieMontella:
forgive me if i made derogatory comments..k lets get to business...
If i do smtin and it goes wrong baba i blame myself and no one else be it satan or anytin...i take full responsibility instead of looking for who to blame..
My achievements are independent of religion..
Frm all said on perfect will...that means predestination is inevitable.....he has chosen his paradise beings..hes jst enjoying the show he made?...there are some casess which this is so...like judas...without predestination..judas wud have never betrayed jesus and his grand plan which has no meaning to me wud never come to pass thru judas if u can relate ur bible u'd understand...in the end judas killed himself...now possibly god wud say
god:lol burn in hell judas...despite judas's life has been planned completely..
He cud also plan the life of someone to be a good christian tru awt the person's life then at the brink of death..(lets say an accident now) he plans the person wud tell a lie...the person does so and ends up in hell(may have converted many souls or not) and its fun to him...just an examplee...
Also since he is all knowing m guessing he has planned everytin down how he wants it to be so theres a huge possibility ts all perfect will...permissive will may also exist..
Also if u look at the story of adam and eve frm a god perspective..t seems all planned out
an all loving god with a grudge of over 6k years? on his children...smhw...with eternal damnnation?
Many issues...isiah45:7 i make peace and create evil...
The god presented contradicts itself in the bible...u called it holy..are catholics satanists or christians?..ur answer determines my follow up here..
Frm the beginning of the bible to the end is contradictory and creates a paradox...so i choose he exists not...ive read the quran also...another shvt
one case which is funny is that of uzzah..t shows man tryna create an all powerful god who doesnt look back to induce fear.
The firery hell is not in the old testament..that hell is jst a means to drag more persons in line..nd whenever one begins to think outside the box...the fear of hell whips u back in line
lets start somewhere
why do u feel other religions are the wrong pathway to god...
Why do u believe urs is true?



U converse well tho

No biggies bro, Apologies accepted and appreciated.

I av never said and will never say/imply "other religions are wrong pathways to God"..I only might question some vices ppl perpetrate in the name of a religion they proclaim(as in the case of islam)

I see religion as a way Man finds some purpose to his existence beyond the tangible resource. Religion in another sense is a sort of Factor used to checkmate Morality. So far, it has/hasn't helped in so many ways. This is a matter of subjective opinion.
I believe mine to be TRUE TO ME coz it works for me, albeit faulted, in view of the many shortcomings in my life. But I know too well that Thrz no religion or Faith system that guarantees perfection here on earth.

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It'd be silly of Me to say another religion is false. I'm a strong advocate for the saying "Do what works for U"..provided thr are elements of Morality in whatever that is.
We don't necessarily need religion to percieve murder as Evil. Or Do we? I guess not.
When som1 from religion A apuns to convert anoda from religion B to buy his spiritual perspective, one rigid fact religious Fanatics overlook is this:
*the man from religion A bought ur perspective coz what he held onto, somehow, no longer Works for him, and sinx he sees signs that urs works for u, he decides to gv it a shot*
But the shallow -minded individual is quick to dismiss religion B as untrue, forgetting dat somwhr else, some1 from his religion A just switched to religion B. That's how life and spirituality works. This is my objective worldview on religion.

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On the issue of FREEWILL vs PREDESTINATION, I must tell u bro, this is one the hottest debate in xtianity which remains unsolved as we speak. Ur passive remark on judas being predestined to live a regretful life is a matter of subjective opinion. I can debate this effectively from the opposing side that he chose to be used as a pawn in this case, largely due to some elements of such inherent tendencies deposited in him. I stil cud choose to support Ur view as well.
One thing I know for sure: "u can only be effectively tempted with somtin u must av had a strong tendency to fall for"
You can't decieve a blind man with an expensive mirror, neither can u effectively tempt a leper with a pair of addidas boots signed By Messi himself.

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On the case of Adam and Eve, I'm strongly opposed as to how the author of genesis painted God too, so we're on same side on some issues therein.
I gave my fellow xtians a hot debate on that topic 2wks back. The way the author presents God in Genesis in the light of morals is highly questionable. I got lots of articles here that supports my claim. I just chose not to dish em' out now coz I aint got the appetite for debates on it yet.
It makes me feel God positioned Man to Fail sinx he was created. Infact, the book of Genesis doesn't really go well with my perspective of the xtian faith. That is why I'm opposed to it on the talk of Adam and Eve.
The God whom I acknowledge his existence is not the same God the author of Genesis painted thr..#caseClosed

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Hmmn...HELL..u cud be right/wrong...honestly speaking, my belief in Hell is quite shaky..coz I got lots of confirmed scriptural references and articles that proves Hell to be just a mere scare tactic. Just as I stated up thr, religion is a good tool to quarantine morality.
However, the existence of Hell is taken as a matter of Faith in the belief of an afterlife punishment based on ur Morals in this life. I'm entitled to my opinion on it tho.

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The difference btw U and I goes thus:
I chose to reason via Faith(tho mine is coupled with some sort of Logical reasonin, which is why I'm quick to dissociate myself from religious fanatism)
While,
U chose to reason via hypothetical pragmatics, fine-tuned to realism, which I presume works for U in finding a purpose to ur existence. #Gudluck2UOnThat

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There's no prob if we argue out assertions bordering on our belief systems, but it has to be one that improves the quality of my/ur/our perspective. This is why I've steered clear off the context Of the debate for which this thread was opened. It doesn't sharpen my ideologies, it only provokes sentimental overdrive.

raphieMontella:
....such a local god cannot be the source of this universe..even the quran....i tell u confidently

A debate on the source of this universe from a religious perspective is largely unproductive to me. Whether u guys debate it from now until next year. It stil boils down to what u choose to av Faith in as the source of the universe. I fink my stand on this is evident in the comment where I 1st quoted u on this thread.

raphieMontella:
lol bro...dnt misquote me bro..dnt make that mistake abeg..i am not acknowledging god(christian god here)...i never will..
What i was tryin to do was to show u that the logic and concept behind the jewish(christian god) is flawed...big time...it creates a paradox and a paradox is non existent..u cant claim a dog flies like bird nd breathes out fire like a dragon...such a dog is non existent...
The thing is that atheists do not argue abt sometin which we say is non existent...the tin is that u tell us that there is and u know d god and yu have present the god to us..bt the god doesnt logically rhyme with what u say...so we try to show u the errors in it... As per the evil stuff..
On wanting our will to supercede his own..u logically mean u are better and deserve ur condition more than those who find themselves in such unpleasant situations?
Or if one of the above defects is healed by science..e.g cojoined twins most times die...so if one is healed are we dismantling his will (belittling him) for ours to succeed?

Or kids who die frm the defects..eg the kid without an anus...the kid wud suffer before dieing...is it his will to bring a kid to this world and then make the innocent kid to suffer and die for nothing?
Cool ryt?...because it doesnt affect u...

This is jst a little stuff on a much larger concept of the biblical god...there are a lot in it...
If u take ur time through it..u wud find awt that that book is the construction of medieval human minds...lonely shepherds who have all the time in the world to gaze into the stars and start writing what they think..some probablyy drunk natural hallucinogenic substances etc
when u look at the god presented..it is more man than god..u'd know it is the construct of man......such a local god cannot be the source of this universe..even the quran....i tell u confidently

Hmmm..ur reply puts it to me that I've been misconcieved to be a callous person and not empathetic to the pain of others in the name of religion..that's so derogatory of u.
Do u knw the issues in my life as we speak?..
U don't knw my story, don't act like u do.
Are u even sure I'm biologically complete as a human, as we speak?
U juz dnt talk dat way coz u view xtians as selfish fanatics. I'd let that End there.
Talkin of errancy of the book "Holy Bible"... I openly tell u that there are issues in the bible enuf to make one discredit it as what we xtians promote it to be. That, however, doesn't obliterate my firm belief in the existence of a God.
It's the religious fanatics who believe in the bible as a faultless book. I believe in the power it carries more than the composition or its literary construction. There are too many issues with that.
I dint create this thread, that tackles the belief of Atheists, am beyond such antics.
What I uphold is my belief in a God and trying to get on course with him, rather than waste my time tackling atheists coz dey refuse to acknowledge him.
I, However, might be quick to point out erroneous assertions about my faith whenever necessary. This is what got me in a debate with U and hopefulLandlord, incase u dint notice, from my comments sinx the inception of this thread.

hopefulLandlord:
Bros, if I hear you right, you're saying if it aligns with Yahweh's will, he would answer the prayer

Why pray then? Since that Yahweh would do what he wills anyways

Good question!
U knw I used to, and prolly stil av this idea of why praying when his will supersede anyways.
This is where the concept of PERFECT WILL & PERMISSIVE WILL comes in..
I don't need to define wat dese two terms are, as it's alredi evident from their name.
Makin a distinction between God’s perfect will and His
permissive will is a major problem we xtians face in the course of our lives, except by his sufficient grace, we tend to not want to pray or end up praying against his will.
This is the major reason we need to goto God in prayer. This is our Utmost job as xtians and the bible av never undermined its importance in our lives, as evident from all the scriptures u earlier quoted abt prayer and answers.
Brother, if u'd be honest with me, I'm tryna approach this issue from a realistic point of view, not as a religious fanatic.
There are stil questions in my life I desperately need answers to as we speak. So kindly do away with the fact that christianity is perfection. Nah! That's the msg of the religious fanatics.
Whether you're a xtian or not. Perfect life is a mirage.
I don't intend to Judge ur beliefs, that's God's job not mine.
But thr are some misconceptions that needs be sieved.
Apostle paul's life was far from normal, talkless of perfect, from a wordly perspective, yet He served God and made achievements that apun to be major yardsticks in xtianity today.
Pls keep this in mind, some achievements or setbacks in Life are independent of religion.
Let's not Get paranoid with always lookin for som1 to blame when things go wrong.
Cc: raphieMontella

raphieMontella:
what is gods will in pple who are born with deadly defects...cojoined twins kids with sm parts missing..kids without anus's etc..
Born to wretchedly poor parents...
And he refuses to do smtin..is it a game?

U indeed raised a very strong point in the issue of God's will seeing cruel thingz apun. This has always baffled me too. Many xtians av tried to no avail, to grasp this concept to simplistic human comprehension.
This is why the most thought-provoking thing in the xtian Faith, arguably, apuns to be GOD's WILL.
U knw why?
It's coz we humans, unconsciously, want our will to supercede his.


One funny tin I noticed is, u blame a God whom u refuse to acknowledge his existence and supremacy for an instance u cited of conjoined twins above.
U don't blame non-existent tinz mehn..
Imagine, u an Atheist blaming somtin u don't bliv in for the negative circumstances in ur life. Very strange I must say.

The bone of contention here is in the Atheistic belief of a non-existent God. The same one y'all are quick to blame. For EVIL, but wud never credit for GOOD. You'd rather credit GOOD to coincidence or any oda forces except GOD.
Reason that bro.

hopefulLandlord:
Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:
Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!


Ask and you will receive. What could be simpler than that?


In Matthew 17:20 Jesus reiterates that same message:
For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.


Since a mustard seed is a tiny inanimate object about the size of a grain of salt, it is easy to imagine that the faith of a mustard seed is fairly small. So, paraphrasing, what Jesus is saying is that if you have the tiniest bit of faith, you can move mountains.


Jesus says something similar in Matthew 21:21:
I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.


The message is reiterated Mark 11:24:
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

In John chapter 14, verses 12 through 14, Jesus tells all of us just how easy prayer can be:
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father. Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it.

In Matthew 18:19 Jesus says it again:
Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them

Quite strange that u take bible quotations literally from what u read innit.

Lemme introduce u to an interesting story relating to ur idea of "prayers FOR JUST ANYTHING and expect to get answers for it, IRRESPECTIVE of what it is"



Matthew 26:39, on the night before His crucifixion, Jesus
prayed,
“




O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me;
nevertheless, NOT AS I WILL, BUT AS YOU WILL.




This prayer wasn't answered in literal context, as it is that he was crucified afterwards.

All the copy and paste work u have up thr were Jesus's teachings and exact words. The same ones u hinge on.
Are u not baffled, that even he(jesus) that allegedly stated Matthew 7:7 et' al cudnt even have it in the exact context that u've always taken those verses for?
Definitely, You can't say he dint av Faith...hmmn..what cud be the prob?

so..landlord..
Don't u fink u're missing somtin here..??