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Travel / Re: How True? Ivitation 4rm U.S Army Are Not Denied Visa by 19naia(m): 12:20am On Aug 08, 2015
If you were invited by the US army, it would be a matter of state affairs and possibly a diplomatic visa or waiver. You would certainly have to get clearance from Nigeria to be courting a foriegn military for business or otherwise. I am sure Nigeria has laws and concerns about international spying. Only if it were done as a matter of state affairs with Nigerian government knowing.

Any thing other than that is very suspicious. The US army cannot just invite any foriegner except as an official business of the government.
There is the fact that foriegners who enlist or get commissioned to the US military and serve a prescribed term of duty, automatically qualify for citizenship or we could say are invited to become citizens of the country they pledged to and served honorably.
But this can happen only for foriegners who enter the country legally and apply for military duty from within the USA.

Maybe there is a chance that the USA has grown desperate and changed and is feilding foriegn recruits out of foreign lands, but i have not heard about this, i would also suspect that they would be very careful which nations they draw service members from. They would draw from countries in well founded ally groups with USA, before they drew from Nigeria. USA is very sensitive about drawing from countries with terrorizm within the borders. They would hate to have a boko haram boy come over and enlist only to conduct mutiny and sabotage.

Maybe CIA would do something like OP mentioned, or similar sectors of military black ops and intelligence could try that. Still it is a risk without clearance from Nigeria government.
Politics / Re: Drunk Police Officer Sighted In Lagos. by 19naia(m): 11:33pm On Aug 07, 2015
Looks like he is mounted on his ride heading to lay his head comfortably under the chasis of a tanker or container truck. Those big freight trucks are always ready to wipe out people like officer ogogoro there. shocked
Business / Re: Naira Depreciates By N7 - Vanguard by 19naia(m): 1:57pm On Aug 07, 2015
Inception:
Question for you: the current exchange rate to the dollar not low enough?

Low enough for what?
Low enough to encourage more foriegn buyers(export sales) ?
Low enough to display international equitability by standard of value per quality provided?
Low enough to be a natural reflection of market and economic practices in a culture of corruption and price gouging?

It is what it is for the reasons it is. That is only natural. Focusing on manipulating the reasons behind it all rather than manipulating the banking flow, is the way to go.
The real factors driving naira low are still in place despite the detours and obstructions created by govt. in the banking sector. How about focusing on getting those devaluing factors off the road, or should i say out of the market and economy.
All trade and productivity is tied to the movement of currencies. Any obstruction or constraints placed on the currencies, will obstruct the flow of trade and productivity if not add increase to price of trading.

Are prices not high enough yet in Nigeria?
One reason the Naira falls is that prices in Nigeria are high beyond what is internationally equitable. Too much asked for too little quality.. This banking manipulation over the currency is having effect on prices and will have long term effect of putting weight on the Naira to help it sink.
Price controls and other measures within the market and economy itself are needed. The banking sector manipulation is just a superficial measure. Focus on Nigeria's quality of business practices, products and services. Infrastucture is starting to come up to help cradle a better environment for better business and quality, but i hope the people can adjust their culture and practices to keep in step with the need for better business.

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Business / Re: Naira Depreciates By N7 - Vanguard by 19naia(m): 11:51am On Aug 07, 2015
There are a few countries with smaller economies than Nigeria and those countries did make their currency units equal to one unit of US dollar.

Do you know how that happened or what happened to make it so?

What happened was the full dollarization of their economies. Their currency has become the very US dollar itself.
What happens is they spend the dollar while their economy and resulting internal price rates are adjusted to dollar values. One US dollar actually buys more local staples there than in the USA. People actually need more dollars to survive in USA than those countries.
Panama, Ecuador and Elsalvador are three countries that dont even circulate their own currency anymore.

Many other countries with their own currency intact, are dollarized to the extent that you can go shopping anywhere in the country with a wallet full of dollars and it will be accepted and even preffered. Its like that in most central and south american countries as well as most countries on earth that cater to major daily flow of american tourist and business people.

Panama actually still list its former currency, the Balboa and it lists as one balboa to one us-dollar. That parity is a direct result of complete dollarization of their economy. Not a result of the strength or size of their economy.

If Nigeria really was serious about 1 Naira equaling 1 US-Dollar, Nigeria would do opposite of its current course and promote the full Dollarization of the economy. Make the dollar so available and the Naira so scarce, that people would pay $1 just to get 1naira in their hands.
Eventually they would simply spend the dollar and CBN would save effort and money by not having to mint currency anymore.

The pitfalls of circulating a currency whose minting or printing you do not control, is that counterfeiting also gets out of control. Lots of counterfeit dollars flowing around in fully dollarized non US dollar economies. The banks are the main ones of only few outlets there to avoid counterfeit dollars, They screen the currency well in banks. Small local markets and businesses are where the counterfeits more freely flow around.

Does Nigeria Really want naira to equal dollar by any means nessecary? Do Nigerians really know what that means ? ~ ^^^^^.

The hard slow work of economy building in Nigeria is the way to go. In fact, there are countries with smaller economies than USA that have currencies greater than the value of the dollar or pound. The oil rich middle eastern countries are the ones to name.
Its possible for Naira to be greater in value than dollar, but the real approach and work must be put in. Nigerias Petty banking manipulations is just that, petty manipulation of currencies.

Do you know that China rose to an immense economy and got some of the benefit of that by actually manipulating their currency to be of lesser value in the world. ?
China is now working on a currency to rival the dollar but only after having secured its economy as the largest in the world.

Do Nigerians ever consider that maybe a low value Naira is the best way to attract investors and grow export sectors? Growing the economy is the best way to grow the naira value, and letting the naira be of low value is a way to grow the economy. China did this and now look at their economy...

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Car Talk / Re: PHOTOS: Truck Loses Control And Rams Into Stationary SUV In PH by 19naia(m): 2:13pm On Aug 06, 2015
Wow, Looks like 2 cars destroyed by the truck. These trucks are still at it. Losing control daily with terrible and horrific end result.
Agriculture / Re: Mysterious Bat With A Horse-like Face Found In Fish Pond (PHOTOS) by 19naia(m): 2:41am On Aug 05, 2015
Thats a bad sign of serious pollution problems there. Oil spills.
Soon the humans of the area will start being born with more deformities.

I have a feeling that it is man made pollution that will give rise to "the beast" of end times biblical prophesy. Mans self fufilling prophesy of doom. shocked
Business / Re: It’s N209 To $1 As Appetite For Dollars Falls by 19naia(m): 11:45pm On Aug 03, 2015
Where is this headed? Where will it end up?
Nigerias economy is not yet stable, It is moving ,but a good resounding history and reputation is not there for faith to be built upon...Yet..

So the dollar is still very much an interest and demand for those in Nigeria who benefit from its stability. Trade to places within africa and beyond will enjoy the $ as the preferred currency. The banks have rejected $ and not the people who have it. It is still in demand, it is just being stiffled along usual transaction routes.
Its only a matter of time before other avenues open up via the creative black market to have the dollar work for the people interested in it. corruption around the dollar can increase now as people try to find other ways, because the Naira economy has not yet proved it.

$ still remains a very good internationl trade currency even for Nigeria government and its oil trade. So its just self deceit to play banking games with the dollar as if it will not choke some of the faith in international trade with Nigeria. Who wants to risk taking Naira to hold internationally for import and exports? No reputation to show Naira will be worth its value by the time the next ship of goods comes to port 30 days from now.. The $ has that reputation well established.

People will bring $ to Nigeria to buy goods to take out, and people will take dollars from Nigeria to bring goods back in return,
The truth is that it has nothng to do with the currencies banking practices, but has everything to do with the trade of goods. This bank move will stilfle the flow of the economy and bite back at the naira value and faith in it.

My prediction is this will have a temporary reversal and slowing effect, but a more gradual and tame fall of the Naira will return soon and as long as the fall is gradual, the naira may still fall comfortably to below 250 per $ over a period of a few years.

The other thing that could happen is a market crash or economic complications of other sorts like Nigeria so skillfully manages to dig up often.
The only thing that can make room for the Naira is if the US economy crashes again, but that is likely to ripple across the world again and eventually reach nigeria and bring the Naira down to par.
If chinas economy crashes first, it is hard to say, china may move into desperate over drive and flood the world with even cheaper bargains than usual just to get a better flow of income and pull itself out. The world will not be easy to resist cheaper deals from china.
If USA decides to just leave china and bring jobs back home to boost economy at home, that can boost the dollar and hurt China and even the Naira comparison image. But USA politics is addicted to the richest people and those richest people are addicted to Cheap china labour. Favour still goes to china from USA.

Naira is not fighting the dollar, Not even standing in the ring with the dollar. People are just comparing by the dollar.
The nairas fight is truly within Nigeria and the market culture of productivity and better business practices.
Even within Nigeria economy alone, Naira is struggling to be stable. International comparison and currency trade manipulations are hardly a real grasp on control over the Nairas real problem.

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Business / Re: Conspiracy Theory Of What Could ‘happen’ To Naira/dollar In The Next Few Weeks by 19naia(m): 2:00pm On Aug 02, 2015
The Naira rise is bolstered by speculation and quick dollar trade people trying to make money or those just trading to dodge short term value fluctuation based losses. Long term is still in favour of the USdollar over Naira.

The Faith in the Naira has to be a real faith and not a panic of the moment based faith, all because government did a few restrictions against some free trade avenues. Its Like finding a new faith in God only when the robber comes knocking on your door at night to reduce your net worth. By next week, they will be back to drinking and acts of corruption.

Faith in the naira doesnt come out of govt. manipulations of people's freedom to trade. People were choosing the dollar out of genuine faith in it and the naira was losing. So this govt. manipulation is not a real faith booster, it is just a poke in the side to coerce a shift agaisnt the natural choice for $ in the market.

People were choosing dollar because it comes from a more stable economy (unlike Nigeria economy), a less brazenly corupt economy (unlike nigeria economy), a more productive economy (unlike nigeria economy), and a better standard of living and security economy (unlike nigeria economy).
These moves by the N.Govt.. against forex are just a slight breeze across the water(economy) which will not last. The govt. will have no real effect until it runs a further cleansing operation to filter the water(economy) through to minimize the pollution corruption brings to it.
The waters(economy) need to be shored up with stable and quality standard of living ammenities and not just a most important power and petrol supply..
Finally the waters(economy) need assistance to be stocked with the right kind of ecology(production markets) to enable a rich yeild and self sustenance of productivity that extends beyond it's own shores. Productivity is slowly started such as with Dangote industries, refineries up and running now and auto manufature as well as other things. More like this is needed in a less corrupt economic culture.

This will be the real road to faith in the naira and a decent internationally equitable value for the Naira on the world market.

Otherwise the market forces will continue to draw people to the currencies that are consistently attached to all the aforementioned economic qualities.

This recent N.Govt move is just a slight ripple that will soon end up back at its original state unless it is bolstered by real economic reform among Nigerians, their standard of living and quality of productivity. Corruption is not a quality and certaainly not productive.

CBN and forex measures are nothing at all in the consistent pattern of Nigeria's Naira decades of downward instability. It is the nigerian economic culture in general that is everything.

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Politics / Re: Falling Naira: Manufacturers Cut Production By 50% by 19naia(m): 1:28pm On Aug 02, 2015
The Naira out of a corupt Nigerian economy is in no shape to bring the $ down. Rather, it is the naira finding creative ways to pull its head a bit above the bottom of the pit.

Peoples faith in the Naira is what will stabilize it. The dollar has immense faith from arond the world. People are free to trade dollar outside of forex and the banks. Even if the Naira value rises by this govt. control over $ trade in Nigeria, there is always a steady stream of $ into nigeria that is not earned by export or import of products to and from Nigeria, but rather simply casual people earning it abroad and bringing it in without any banks involved.

More dollars will always come in and the more dollars that circulate the streets, the less a corrupt Naira will be of interest as dollars stay available.

Bank transacted dollars are one thing and dollars on the streets are another thing. The more dollarized the economy goes, the less interest people will have in Naira and the value will drop further until it hits its true internationally equitable value that reflects the quality and standard of average life and productivity in Nigeria.

Many economies around the world are extremely dollarized by mere fact of people's faith in $. Some are completely dollarized and dont even print their own currency anymore, the people just spend dollars and enjoy minimal inflation. Panama currency is 1 to $1 value, but when you go there, you dont see their currency, you only see dollars in all transactions. Their national currency is down to 0 value as reflected in its non existence, yet the economy there is robust when compared to the entire region of countries. A few other countries in the region are US$ only countries.


All this currency transaction controls through banks is not much real effect ,it is just a poke in the side.
The real thing to do is to up productivity and standard of living in Nigeria to boost faith in the naira and its potential for stability.
Other wise people will continue to refuge in the dollar. The issue of coruption is a big road block in the way of productivity and general standard of living in Nigeria.
Faith in the Naira is the real road to follow and the toll gate to enter that road is backed up in traffic jam due to Coruption.
No way out except through coruption's riad block.
Travel / Re: Pictures Of Lagos The Foreign Media Dont Want You To See by 19naia(m): 1:53am On Aug 02, 2015
Don't be fooled, It is all over priced compared even to the world coveted USA.. Also the fine sceneries are carefully selected and zoomed out from the true fine details, and not even representative of one percent of Nigeria.
Is it not like showing me the finest one cm. square of your body and saying that it represents you?
It is a world of average people. Show us the life and places of average people.
Overpriced living surrounded very closely by squalor, instability and inconsistency is not something most people on earth can afford nor have interest in.
Nairaland / General / Re: Illegal Arms Factory Uncovered In Kaduna by 19naia(m): 8:11pm On Aug 01, 2015
Wow, the truth is that the skills to manufacture guns and ammunition are sufficient to manufacture seful machines such as automobiles and motorcycles. Even the engine with pistons firing and all shocked

The ingenuity is there, but the faith in good works is lacking.
Politics / Re: Another Rochas/obama Billboard Appears In Owerri by 19naia(m): 8:28pm On Jul 31, 2015
So the money to pay salary has not appeared, but money to buy Big picture with himself and Obama, has appeared with no problem.
A true Slave master enjoying the works of unpaid labour in his house while he also travels overseas to spend money on foreign land worker services.
Pay your workers at home and be cleared of the human rights violation called Enslavement. shocked

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Education / Re: Many Persons Will Fail This Maths (photo) by 19naia(m): 4:26pm On Jul 31, 2015
SadiqDO:


I once taught JS2 students factorization and at least a few of then would understand very well that 6-1+1 is not equal to 6-(1+1). Rather, 6-1+1 = 6-(1-1) [by factorization rules, if you want to bring out the minus sign].

It's either you're making a big mistake or all this talk from you is just one big joke!

Before i start, Thank you for taking the time to help me think about all of this and brush off the dust from my math experiences. Please trust that i appreciate your input regardless of any disagreement.

When you have 6-(1+1), Bodmas clearly states that before doing any thing (such as bringing out minus signs where there were none at point of origin) Solve first and foremost within the bracket. Once we put or have brackets, we must stop all progress or stop all bringing out or in of minus or any symbols. Yes stop all progress except that of solving only within brackets without concern for what properties or values are outside the brackets. There are no exponents in this matter either.
So the brackets containing (1+1) must be solved as is ,before reaching anything to do with any minus symbol outside the brackets.
Bodmas requires that you ignore all other signs and values other than fisrtly the signs and values inside the brackets. There are no exponents and bodmas certainly does not say "before solving inside the brackets, reach to one minus sign out side d bracket and put inside the bracket to to sway the end results that will appear after all brackets have been solved.

I tried many different configurations and different placements of brackets such as (6-1)+1 and 6-(1+1). And only 6-(1+1) makes the exception of yeilding 4 while staying within the confines of Bodams such that brakets are solved first before doing any manipulation such as bringing in or out any minus signs.
But all other configurations,rearrangments yeild 6 as the answer ,according to the same rules i followed for yielding the answer of 4 in only one configuration.
So we have six configurations yeilding 6 as the answer and one configurations yeilding 4 as the answer.
So by law of averages, 6 is the best and most consistent answer.
The same goes with the OP equation that compressed into 6-0+1. Most of the possible configurations will yeild 7 as the answer and even the most practical display with oranges will yeild 7 with no dialectic or alternate interpretation appearant because the zero value or zero orange is simply non existent.
But one configuration yeilds 5 as the answer while true to form of bodmas and basic factoring.
The best answer is 7 by law of averages because several configurations yeild 7 and only one yeilds 5.



I still think you have subordinated Bodmas as i explained above, can you lead me through your "rule of factoring" method and explain it for me to show that you understand it and can show all the steps along the way to reach your correct answer.
Is your "factoring rule" practical enough to explain with oranges? Or can you explain the steps you took to go from 6-1+1 to 6-(1-1) ?

According to factoring rules i know 6-1+1=x is arbitray and open to different routes possible but Bodmas is the best guidline along those routes and that would forbid me from doing any factoring other than solving within the brackets or install brackets to group additive properties apart from subtractive properties which will give me 6-(1+1)= 6-(2) and that is 6-2=4.. Also i can make 6-1+1 into sections with the additive and subtractive areas as (6-1)+1= (5)+1=5+1=6.
So why the two differnt answers? What rule can come in a settle the matter?
As i said earlier, i implement rearranging the equation so that the subtractive property is last in the line up of properties such as 6+1-1. Then you can do 6+(1-1)= 6+(0)=6+0= 6
Also you can do(6+1)-1= (7)-1 =7-1 = 6.
The arbitrary method works here just fine but creats confusion if we dont rearrange to have subtraction in the last place of the line up.
Bodmas is the issue here and understanding particular detail about bodmas..



Please reference my calculator photo shots below to see what my calculator gave me as a result.
Even the calculator gave me 4 as the result for 6-(1+1) and gave me 5 as the result for 6-(0+1)
So i know the calculator is following certain rules but it does not provide the assignment of brackets in solving.
So how do we determine the proper place to put brackets? The truth is that it is abitrary. Another rule has to come in and arbitrate.
I follow Bodmas closely as possible and as far as rearranging the line up of additive and subtractive properties so that suntractive is very last and it will yeild the correct answer as determined by calculator, various method approach and selecting the final answer out of inconsistencies by the law of averages method. The answer that occurs most often in the various methods applied, is right.

This isnt about right or wrong or joking, it is about the arbitray nature of maths and the wide range of dialectics possible along the way.
My calculator said 4 as the answer for 6-(1+1) and it said 6 is the answer for 6-(1-1). The placement of brackets is correct and will give a different answer when i use the same bracket placement but only after rearranging the plus or minus properties in the first open line up of 6-1+1, to have subtraction be last in line as Bodmas orders, such as 6+1-1.

Your rules of factoring and the introduction of the minus symbol is yet to be explained from a point of understanding that reveals the arbitrary nature of math. And i believe when we put your rules of factoring to the test, it will prove to also have some instances of inconsistency that can be arbitrated through following Bodmas more strictly or intorducing other rules or details of the rules of Bodmas.

The rules are sometimes arbitrary compromises, like Phi is an arbitrary compromise, imperfect but used in its limited form to solve for circle dimensions.
The arbitrary nature still stands as fact such as 6-1+1 can be seen as 6 oranges minus one orange and then adding one orange after the one was subtracted from the six.. The result will be six oranges remaining
As, a possible dialect or alternate interpretation, 6-1+1 can be seen as having six oranges and then subtracting Two oranges as the function of subtracting an amount of oranges equal to one plus one oranges, that will give an answer of four oranges remaining.
It is also the same as 6-1-1 being seen as 6 oranges with one orange subtracted and then another one orange subtracted to have four remaining.
Factoring itself is also arbitrary with various ways to go about it and some extra rules to add along the way to arbitrate instances of inconsistency.
I also go by trying various configurations by the same method and even with inconsistent answers, there will be a particular answer that results more often than the other, and then i use law of averages to go with the answer that occurs more often in all of the approaches taken.

JS2 math must be fun, but i cannot reside there because learning higher math is about seeing the intricacies and the philosophies behind all the methods we were taught and then understanding that many other options are available and waiting to be discovered.
It will never happen if we stick to one perspective and approach and hide from the risk of a mistake. Many mistakes have been windows into newly discovered methods and this holds true for math, chemistry and more. Even a chemistry formula calculated and mixed wrong led to the discover of many different substances that made for superior performing materials and substances.
Music theory is the same, many mistakes made in the arrangement of musical factors led to entire new styles of music or an entirely new song.
Its not about right or wrong or joking, its about seeing deeper to the matter.
I schooled under math in different countries and various approaches were taught.
I schooled under english in various countries and spelling and pronouciation and acceptable words varied between the two countries.
Labor became Labour and color became colour, spanner became wrench and boot became trunk.
Its Arbitrary. There is the dialectic.

Investment / Re: US Boosts Dangote Refinery With $997m by 19naia(m): 9:35am On Jul 31, 2015
Just like china is investing huge sums in Nigeria, china also extracts even more in raw materials and rights to set up private business in Nigeria for its citizens to come and sometimes abuse..

Its a huge sum of money for the US to put in (if that amount is true), it can only mean that the US is interested in a future of tapping some of Nigerias crude for itself. Perhaps enough of it to make this grant money look like an allowance.
There is no amount of training that justifies that amount of money. Unless of course they are training every citizen of nigeria with an included bachelors degree full scholarship.

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Nairaland / General / Re: Help: The Rate I Am Urinating Is Worrisome by 19naia(m): 3:27am On Jul 31, 2015
Diuretic items along with lots of water can increse urination also.
Water by itself should increase unrination, but such foods as fresh carrots and other vegetables can have a diuretic effect which makes incresed urination.

But dont ignore the other posts above that mention its possibly a symptom of other things such as high sugar and or diabetes.
Education / Re: Many Persons Will Fail This Maths (photo) by 19naia(m): 1:07pm On Jul 30, 2015
SadiqDO:

You keep talking about "Mathe", pure maths, dialects and what not. If you could only bring some evidence for your claims. But please don't say that BODMAS is being used incorrectly. Here's what Wikipedia says about the order of operations:

The order of operations used throughout mathematics, science, technology and many computer programming languages is expressed here:[2]

- exponents and roots
- multiplication and division
- addition and subtraction

(Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations )

So it's Addition AND Subtraction. NOT addition then Subtraction. Both have Equal order of precedence. Neither precedes the other. Please.

Simply put: if I have 6 oranges in a bag, take away none (zero) and then add 1 orange, how many would there be in the bag eventually?! 5?! Or 7?

Like many have said, this is primary school maths and it's quite sad a simple question like this has become a debate. It's a challenge for us to step up our game and improve ourselves intellectually. There are many resources in the Web for learning - instead of wasting data money and time on gossip, movies and what not. And then we complain we can't get jobs!! We really are the bane of our own problems.

If the equation were such that it compressed to be 6-1+1 ?
I could say that i have (6-1)+1 or 6-(1+1).
The first would be the same as saying i have six oranges and then i subtract one to have five and then i add one to bring me back to six.

The other phrasing or interpretation could go as having six oranges and then subtracting a number of them equal to the value of one plus one which is equal to two. That would leave me with 4 oranges.

In the case where you had subtraction of zero oranges, it was more straight forward to your point of being 7 as the answer.

But when you consider in a dialectic way and open minded consideration, you will see the same straight forward interpretation is not the same in all cases. I respect your respect for syntax, but there is the matter of semantics that makes variable interpretations defy a standard one rule fits all... Bodmas has been about arbitrating what is truly an amorphous thing ( math ).

And Yes there is a reason why subtraction is listed after addition in the order of Bodmas and it makes a differnce
Look at 6-0+1. When i have followed bodmas all the way down to the final step of addition and subtraction, there is a final rule to consider to simplify the confusion that can happen such as the parradox i explained above with 6-1+1..
The rule that helps arbitrate the two different ways of approaching 6-1+1, also simplifies the approach to the answer of 7 in the case of 6-0+1.
That rule is: when you have a final line up of numbers to be added and subtracted for a final total, Move all the subtraction properties and their values to the rear of the lineup and let the additive properties and their values stay in the front of the line up.
Such as rephrasing 6-0+1 as 6+1-0.. That will settle the matter as 7 and explain why itwas a better idea to put subtraction as the last in the order of process called BODMAS

In the case of 6-1+1, it is more abitrary, could go either way depending on interpretation and so the rule used for Bodmas will determine if we take 6 oranges and subtract a value equal to one and one oranges to have four remain, or if we take six oranges and subtract one orange and then add one back to remain with 6.
Bodmas will tell us to move the subtraction to the very last place and then we have 6+1-1=6. Rephrasing to have the suntractin be last in the lineup

This is my explanation about dialectics revealing the nature of pure math and why we are taught math with rules and formulas that arbitrate math's tendency to go many different directions to find varied results.
The truth of math is dialectic and as malleable as languages and their many dialects and interpretations. Only imperfect or arbitrary rules, formulas and standards help arbitrate math so that we dont all run around with a thousand differnet languages and confusion, or should i say a thousand different answers to the same equations.

I really love open mindedness in the face of pure math which invloves simple arithmetic equations as well as quantum theory conundrums.
Open minds will denifinitley guide me out of the small box of a stagnant job labouring away at someone else's individual profit making, rules and ways of seeing the world.
The truth is that even schools in USA are changing the way math is done in primary school ,and the old university graduates are furious because they dont find it easy to do and they feel cheated.. But thats what happens when people think that life is one concrete standard, method, formula or interpretation.
Even wikipedia will have to regulary update itself over time as more is revealed in the world and all subjects and matters at hand evolve in human understanding.
We will never reach the evolution by staying stuck in a box just to qualify for a job or justify a rigid way of thinking and living.. Open the mind and discover beyond what has been conditioned within by those who came before. Thats how life will become better and understanding expand.

I am trying myself, not easy to make sense of so much confusion.
Education / Re: Many Persons Will Fail This Maths (photo) by 19naia(m): 12:31pm On Jul 30, 2015
Handsome4real:

Who told you to add bracket?
You be olodo grin
Handsome4real:

You are not applying bodmas correctly. You don't have to add bracket except there is already a bracket in the equation.

6-1x0+2/2.. 6-(1x0)+(2/2).. 6-0+1=

See above just that. Adding brackets are allowed and can work out functionally.
The confusion is not in the added brackets, it is in the final step where subtracting zero and adding one creates a problem.

if 6-0+1 were solved like 6-(0+1).. It would be 6-1 and yield 5

The same equation can be rearranged before solving, so that
6-0+1 is rearranged to be 6+1-0. Therfore (6+1)-0 and the yeild is 7. Also as 6+(1-0)=6+1=7

SEE BRACKETS ADDED AND EVEN SO IT YEILDS YOUR CHOSEN ANSWER OF 7 as well as the answer of 5.
The issue is not the the brackets. It is in the way if factoring in the zero in terms of - or + properties.


What if the equation compressed down to 6-1+0 ?
we could do 6-(1+0) and get 6-1=5..
Also we could do (6-1)+0 and get 5+0=5.
In this case the answer is consistently the same. by my methods and no confusion even after adding brackets.

So you see, the brackets are allowed to be added so long as they are the first to be solved before then adding or subtractiing or any operation in Bodmas..
The confusion has nothing to do with added brackets, it has to do with the zero being factored in terms of a negative property. The Zero being subtracted is the issue creating confusion, not the brackets or the method. Also Bodmas is imperfect when you see the addition and subtraction phase of the order bring out inconsistencies in one form of the equation versus the other. So it requires extra scrutiny and rules to decide which is the better answer.
Trust me when i say i agree with the answer 5 and the answer 7.
I just modelled enough equations above to show how the process i originally used ,can both yield the correct answer and a confusing answer depending on the make up of the equation.
In this case, i would add a rule to Bodmas to settle the confusion, saying that after all operations before the final addition and subtraction, any value in the lineup to be subtracted must be moved to the very last place in the equation line up. This rule also supports why Subtraction is listed last in the Order of Bodmas even though addition and subtraction are often said to be interchangeable.
That would solve the issue and yeild 7 in the OP's equation, and i solved for a resulting 7 using the same method and added brackets as i did when yeilding 5. The big difference was rearranging the equation so that the negative property values were moved to the very end of the line up of numbers to be added and subtracted.


But if the equation compresssed down to 6-1+1, would i go with 6-(1+1)=6-2 =4 ?
Or would i go with (6-1)+1=5+1=6 ?

Would i solve the subtraction before the addition? Does it matter? Yes.
The rule i am explaing of bodmas is that this confusion is solved by making sure to rearrange the equation so that all negative property values are last in the line up of the final Bodmas phase of adding and subtracting. Even so this rule is arbitrary or debateable as i will show in the below example with oranges.

So 6-0+1 must be rearranged to 6+1-0
6-1+1 must be rearranged to be 6+1-1,
Thats a good rule especially when you see the practicality of it with the Zero/0 in the original equation by OP
But, in the case of 6-1+1, is the answer truly (6-1)+1 or is it 6-(1+1)? Nodmas will lead us in one direction if we put the subtraction in last place of the order of process.
If i had 6 oranges and then added one, i would have 7 and if i then subtracted one, i would have 6. But, if i had six oranges and subtracted a number of them equal to the value of 1+1, i would have 4 oranges after subtracting 2.
The zero suntraction is more straight forward ,but when replaced with 1, it is not so straight forward.
So Bodmas comes in to help arbitrate an order and even so the issue of the last step of final addition and subtraction can be confused unless a final compromise rule is observed along the lines of Subtraction properties being moved to the rear of the line up of values being added and subtracted.. Positives in the front and negative in the back. That would yeild 7 as the answer of OP' s original equation.

My issue is not the matter of a right or wrong answer, but looking at the arbitrary nature of math and its principles. Exploring Dialectics in math or simple arithmetic. When you look at pure math outside of the rules and symbols, what is really going on and what is the reason behind it? are there options and is there good reason for one option or the other depending on the circumstances.

Like i have been saying, Trust me when i say i agree with your answer 7, but there is more to consider than just being right or wrong in math.
Math is an amazing maze with many ways and as dialectic as languages and their many dialects. If you truly understood the rules behind math, you will have the critical thinking to evolve math into the next great theorum rather than just be a job holder doing the grind within the sytem that has been constructed for you by unkown minds while they tell you what is right or wrong. Think for your self, try brackets where they say not to, try rephrasing in an alternate arrangement and take the risk of being wrong because there is the chance to learn something more beyond the box we are conditioned to remain in. Math is malleable and here in US it has now started in primary schools a new system for solving math that many university graduates are confounded by because it defys the system they were taught in the same schools back in their days. Many parents are furious about it as well.
The schools change according to the change in school of thought and it starts with random people like you or you exploring beyond the set boundaries of old.
Education / Re: Many Persons Will Fail This Maths (photo) by 19naia(m): 12:30pm On Jul 30, 2015
Handsome4real:

Your maths solving skill ain't right... Olodo grin

Handsome4real:

You are not applying bodmas correctly. You don't have to add bracket except there is already a bracket in the equation.

6-1x0+2/2.. 6-(1x0)+(2/2).. 6-0+1=

See above just that. Adding brackets are allowed and can work out functionally.
The confusion is not in the added brackets, it is in the final step where subtracting zero and adding one creates a problem.

if 6-0+1 were solved like 6-(0+1).. It would be 6-1 and yield 5

The same equation can be rearranged before solving, so that
6-0+1 is rearranged to be 6+1-0. Therfore (6+1)-0 and the yeild is 7. Also as 6+(1-0)=6+1=7

SEE BRACKETS ADDED AND EVEN SO IT YEILDS YOUR CHOSEN ANSWER OF 7 as well as the answer of 5.
The issue is not the the brackets. It is in the way if factoring in the zero in terms of - or + properties.


What if the equation compressed down to 6-1+0 ?
we could do 6-(1+0) and get 6-1=5..
Also we could do (6-1)+0 and get 5+0=5.
In this case the answer is consistently the same. by my methods and no confusion even after adding brackets.

So you see, the brackets are allowed to be added so long as they are the first to be solved before then adding or subtractiing or any operation in Bodmas..
The confusion has nothing to do with added brackets, it has to do with the zero being factored in terms of a negative property. The Zero being subtracted is the issue creating confusion, not the brackets or the method. Also Bodmas is imperfect when you see the addition and subtraction phase of the order bring out inconsistencies in one form of the equation versus the other. So it requires extra scrutiny and rules to decide which is the better answer.
Trust me when i say i agree with the answer 5 and the answer 7.
I just modelled enough equations above to show how the process i originally used ,can both yield the correct answer and a confusing answer depending on the make up of the equation.
In this case, i would add a rule to Bodmas to settle the confusion, saying that after all operations before the final addition and subtraction, any value in the lineup to be subtracted must be moved to the very last place in the equation line up. This rule also supports why Subtraction is listed last in the Order of Bodmas even though addition and subtraction are often said to be interchangeable.
That would solve the issue and yeild 7 in the OP's equation, and i solved for a resulting 7 using the same method and added brackets as i did when yeilding 5. The big difference was rearranging the equation so that the negative property values were moved to the very end of the line up of numbers to be added and subtracted.


But if the equation compresssed down to 6-1+1, would i go with 6-(1+1)=6-2 =4 ?
Or would i go with (6-1)+1=5+1=6 ?

Would i solve the subtraction before the addition? Does it matter? Yes.
The rule i am explaing of bodmas is that this confusion is solved by making sure to rearrange the equation so that all negative property values are last in the line up of the final Bodmas phase of adding and subtracting. Even so this rule is arbitrary or debateable as i will show in the below example with oranges.

So 6-0+1 must be rearranged to 6+1-0
6-1+1 must be rearranged to be 6+1-1,
Thats a good rule especially when you see the practicality of it with the Zero/0 in the original equation by OP
But, in the case of 6-1+1, is the answer truly (6-1)+1 or is it 6-(1+1)? Nodmas will lead us in one direction if we put the subtraction in last place of the order of process.
If i had 6 oranges and then added one, i would have 7 and if i then subtracted one, i would have 6. But, if i had six oranges and subtracted a number of them equal to the value of 1+1, i would have 4 oranges after subtracting 2.
The zero suntraction is more straight forward ,but when replaced with 1, it is not so straight forward.
So Bodmas comes in to help arbitrate an order and even so the issue of the last step of final addition and subtraction can be confused unless a final compromise rule is observed along the lines of Subtraction properties being moved to the rear of the line up of values being added and subtracted.. Positives in the front and negative in the back. That would yeild 7 as the answer of OP' s original equation.

My issue is not the matter of a right or wrong answer, but looking at the arbitrary nature of math and its principles. Exploring Dialectics in math or simple arithmetic. When you look at pure math outside of the rules and symbols, what is really going on and what is the reason behind it? are there options and is there good reason for one option or the other depending on the circumstances.

Like i have been saying, Trust me when i say i agree with your answer 7, but there is more to consider than just being right or wrong in math.
Math is an amazing maze with many ways and as dialectic as languages and their many dialects. If you truly understood the rules behind math, you will have the critical thinking to evolve math into the next great theorum rather than just be a job holder doing the grind within the sytem that has been constructed for you by unkown minds while they tell you what is right or wrong. Think for your self, try brackets where they say not to, try rephrasing in an alternate arrangement and take the risk of being wrong because there is the chance to learn something more beyond the box we are conditioned to remain in. Math is malleable and here in US it has now started in primary schools a new system for solving math that many university graduates are confounded by because it defys the system they were taught in the same schools back in their days. Many parents are furious about it as well.
The schools change according to the change in school of thought and it starts with random people like you or you exploring beyond the set boundaries of old.
Education / Re: Many Persons Will Fail This Maths (photo) by 19naia(m): 12:29pm On Jul 30, 2015
Handsome4real:

grin Olodo

Handsome4real:

You are not applying bodmas correctly. You don't have to add bracket except there is already a bracket in the equation.

6-1x0+2/2.. 6-(1x0)+(2/2).. 6-0+1=

See above just that. Adding brackets are allowed and can work out functionally.
The confusion is not in the added brackets, it is in the final step where subtracting zero and adding one creates a problem.

if 6-0+1 were solved like 6-(0+1).. It would be 6-1 and yield 5

The same equation can be rearranged before solving, so that
6-0+1 is rearranged to be 6+1-0. Therfore (6+1)-0 and the yeild is 7. Also as 6+(1-0)=6+1=7

SEE BRACKETS ADDED AND EVEN SO IT YEILDS YOUR CHOSEN ANSWER OF 7 as well as the answer of 5.
The issue is not the the brackets. It is in the way if factoring in the zero in terms of - or + properties.


What if the equation compressed down to 6-1+0 ?
we could do 6-(1+0) and get 6-1=5..
Also we could do (6-1)+0 and get 5+0=5.
In this case the answer is consistently the same. by my methods and no confusion even after adding brackets.

So you see, the brackets are allowed to be added so long as they are the first to be solved before then adding or subtractiing or any operation in Bodmas..
The confusion has nothing to do with added brackets, it has to do with the zero being factored in terms of a negative property. The Zero being subtracted is the issue creating confusion, not the brackets or the method. Also Bodmas is imperfect when you see the addition and subtraction phase of the order bring out inconsistencies in one form of the equation versus the other. So it requires extra scrutiny and rules to decide which is the better answer.
Trust me when i say i agree with the answer 5 and the answer 7.
I just modelled enough equations above to show how the process i originally used ,can both yield the correct answer and a confusing answer depending on the make up of the equation.
In this case, i would add a rule to Bodmas to settle the confusion, saying that after all operations before the final addition and subtraction, any value in the lineup to be subtracted must be moved to the very last place in the equation line up. This rule also supports why Subtraction is listed last in the Order of Bodmas even though addition and subtraction are often said to be interchangeable.
That would solve the issue and yeild 7 in the OP's equation, and i solved for a resulting 7 using the same method and added brackets as i did when yeilding 5. The big difference was rearranging the equation so that the negative property values were moved to the very end of the line up of numbers to be added and subtracted.


But if the equation compresssed down to 6-1+1, would i go with 6-(1+1)=6-2 =4 ?
Or would i go with (6-1)+1=5+1=6 ?

Would i solve the subtraction before the addition? Does it matter? Yes.
The rule i am explaing of bodmas is that this confusion is solved by making sure to rearrange the equation so that all negative property values are last in the line up of the final Bodmas phase of adding and subtracting. Even so this rule is arbitrary or debateable as i will show in the below example with oranges.

So 6-0+1 must be rearranged to 6+1-0
6-1+1 must be rearranged to be 6+1-1,
Thats a good rule especially when you see the practicality of it with the Zero/0 in the original equation by OP
But, in the case of 6-1+1, is the answer truly (6-1)+1 or is it 6-(1+1)? Nodmas will lead us in one direction if we put the subtraction in last place of the order of process.
If i had 6 oranges and then added one, i would have 7 and if i then subtracted one, i would have 6. But, if i had six oranges and subtracted a number of them equal to the value of 1+1, i would have 4 oranges after subtracting 2.
The zero suntraction is more straight forward ,but when replaced with 1, it is not so straight forward.
So Bodmas comes in to help arbitrate an order and even so the issue of the last step of final addition and subtraction can be confused unless a final compromise rule is observed along the lines of Subtraction properties being moved to the rear of the line up of values being added and subtracted.. Positives in the front and negative in the back. That would yeild 7 as the answer of OP' s original equation.

My issue is not the matter of a right or wrong answer, but looking at the arbitrary nature of math and its principles. Exploring Dialectics in math or simple arithmetic. When you look at pure math outside of the rules and symbols, what is really going on and what is the reason behind it? are there options and is there good reason for one option or the other depending on the circumstances.

Like i have been saying, Trust me when i say i agree with your answer 7, but there is more to consider than just being right or wrong in math.
Math is an amazing maze with many ways and as dialectic as languages and their many dialects. If you truly understood the rules behind math, you will have the critical thinking to evolve math into the next great theorum rather than just be a job holder doing the grind within the sytem that has been constructed for you by unkown minds while they tell you what is right or wrong. Think for your self, try brackets where they say not to, try rephrasing in an alternate arrangement and take the risk of being wrong because there is the chance to learn something more beyond the box we are conditioned to remain in. Math is malleable and here in US it has now started in primary schools a new system for solving math that many university graduates are confounded by because it defys the system they were taught in the same schools back in their days. Many parents are furious about it as well.
The schools change according to the change in school of thought and it starts with random people like you or you exploring beyond the set boundaries of old.
Education / Re: Many Persons Will Fail This Maths (photo) by 19naia(m): 12:29pm On Jul 30, 2015
Handsome4real:

You are not applying bodmas correctly. You don't have to add bracket except there is already a bracket in the equation.

6-1x0+2/2.. 6-(1x0)+(2/2).. 6-0+1=

See above just that. Adding brackets are allowed and can work out functionally.
The confusion is not in the added brackets, it is in the final step where subtracting zero and adding one creates a problem.

if 6-0+1 were solved like 6-(0+1).. It would be 6-1 and yield 5

The same equation can be rearranged before solving, so that
6-0+1 is rearranged to be 6+1-0. Therfore (6+1)-0 and the yeild is 7. Also as 6+(1-0)=6+1=7

SEE BRACKETS ADDED AND EVEN SO IT YEILDS YOUR CHOSEN ANSWER OF 7 as well as the answer of 5.
The issue is not the the brackets. It is in the way if factoring in the zero in terms of - or + properties.


What if the equation compressed down to 6-1+0 ?
we could do 6-(1+0) and get 6-1=5..
Also we could do (6-1)+0 and get 5+0=5.
In this case the answer is consistently the same. by my methods and no confusion even after adding brackets.

So you see, the brackets are allowed to be added so long as they are the first to be solved before then adding or subtractiing or any operation in Bodmas..
The confusion has nothing to do with added brackets, it has to do with the zero being factored in terms of a negative property. The Zero being subtracted is the issue creating confusion, not the brackets or the method. Also Bodmas is imperfect when you see the addition and subtraction phase of the order bring out inconsistencies in one form of the equation versus the other. So it requires extra scrutiny and rules to decide which is the better answer.
Trust me when i say i agree with the answer 5 and the answer 7.
I just modelled enough equations above to show how the process i originally used ,can both yield the correct answer and a confusing answer depending on the make up of the equation.
In this case, i would add a rule to Bodmas to settle the confusion, saying that after all operations before the final addition and subtraction, any value in the lineup to be subtracted must be moved to the very last place in the equation line up. This rule also supports why Subtraction is listed last in the Order of Bodmas even though addition and subtraction are often said to be interchangeable.
That would solve the issue and yeild 7 in the OP's equation, and i solved for a resulting 7 using the same method and added brackets as i did when yeilding 5. The big difference was rearranging the equation so that the negative property values were moved to the very end of the line up of numbers to be added and subtracted.


But if the equation compresssed down to 6-1+1, would i go with 6-(1+1)=6-2 =4 ?
Or would i go with (6-1)+1=5+1=6 ?

Would i solve the subtraction before the addition? Does it matter? Yes.
The rule i am explaing of bodmas is that this confusion is solved by making sure to rearrange the equation so that all negative property values are last in the line up of the final Bodmas phase of adding and subtracting. Even so this rule is arbitrary or debateable as i will show in the below example with oranges.

So 6-0+1 must be rearranged to 6+1-0
6-1+1 must be rearranged to be 6+1-1,
Thats a good rule especially when you see the practicality of it with the Zero/0 in the original equation by OP
But, in the case of 6-1+1, is the answer truly (6-1)+1 or is it 6-(1+1)? Nodmas will lead us in one direction if we put the subtraction in last place of the order of process.
If i had 6 oranges and then added one, i would have 7 and if i then subtracted one, i would have 6. But, if i had six oranges and subtracted a number of them equal to the value of 1+1, i would have 4 oranges after subtracting 2.
The zero suntraction is more straight forward ,but when replaced with 1, it is not so straight forward.
So Bodmas comes in to help arbitrate an order and even so the issue of the last step of final addition and subtraction can be confused unless a final compromise rule is observed along the lines of Subtraction properties being moved to the rear of the line up of values being added and subtracted.. Positives in the front and negative in the back. That would yeild 7 as the answer of OP' s original equation.

My issue is not the matter of a right or wrong answer, but looking at the arbitrary nature of math and its principles. Exploring Dialectics in math or simple arithmetic. When you look at pure math outside of the rules and symbols, what is really going on and what is the reason behind it? are there options and is there good reason for one option or the other depending on the circumstances.

Like i have been saying, Trust me when i say i agree with your answer 7, but there is more to consider than just being right or wrong in math.
Math is an amazing maze with many ways and as dialectic as languages and their many dialects. If you truly understood the rules behind math, you will have the critical thinking to evolve math into the next great theorum rather than just be a job holder doing the grind within the sytem that has been constructed for you by unkown minds while they tell you what is right or wrong. Think for your self, try brackets where they say not to, try rephrasing in an alternate arrangement and take the risk of being wrong because there is the chance to learn something more beyond the box we are conditioned to remain in. Math is malleable and here in US it has now started in primary schools a new system for solving math that many university graduates are confounded by because it defys the system they were taught in the same schools back in their days. Many parents are furious about it as well.
The schools change according to the change in school of thought and it starts with random people like you or you exploring beyond the set boundaries of old.
Education / Re: Many Persons Will Fail This Maths (photo) by 19naia(m): 9:58pm On Jul 29, 2015
miketayo:


LMAO u said addition before subtraction ryt? but u have done subtraction 1st.. dats y ur gettn 7.. ask ur younger ones abeg grin grin

You are right here boss, but seven is also possible answer. It is a dialectic issue created here by the way they apply zero and giving it the - symbol. Zero must be nothing with no positive or negative and no value. It must remain neutral and useless.
But they did violate Bodmas by using the negative on the zero before all other +,x or division.

But look. when they reach 6-0+1, Bodmas allows them to do this. Rephrase as such 6+1-0. then from there, they can phrase as (6+1)-0 and the answer is correctly 7.
The same goes according to bodmas if we do not rephrase it before separating the regions. 6-0+1. therefore bodmas requires we isolate and solve the addition regions first. so 6-(0+1)= 6-(+1)= 6-1= 5.
Without bodmas in the way, the result is clearly 7. ? But there is a bodmas way to reach 7 as i showed above.
The equation is particular to bring out the contradictions of bodmas.
The answer is 5 but it is also 7 and in simple applied method for basic correctness, the correct answer is 7.
The guy is right but he needs to be open minded to understand more about mathe rather than just commited to what he knows even though he is right, There is more to it than just being right. There is understanding to be had because math is quite an amazing maze.

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Education / Re: Many Persons Will Fail This Maths (photo) by 19naia(m): 9:37pm On Jul 29, 2015
kaboninc:


This is not about pure or impure maths!

This is simple arithmetic. And anyhow u turn or twist it, - 0 + 1 is not the same as - (0 + 1).

Pure math is all of the above, simple and mind boggling, and the very nature of the "Mathe" is that it twist and turns in a malleable way just as any language twist and turns malleable into various dialects.
I speak yoruba and know of various dialects. Also in english various dialects.

Pure math invokes that Dialectics apply where you can phrase your arithmetic expression in arbitrary ways so as to fit various more complex models in Mathematics. Mathe is like a dialect, various ways of phrasing are possible and there is still a lot yet to be discovered and corrected in what is taught as proper Mathematics.

The crux of this equation is the use of zero which was not even allowed in original mathmatics until a few ceturies ago. The debate still unsues among top world mathmaticians about the application of zero in math and the problems it creates when assigning zero a quality and function despite it representing nothing at all.
Trust me, the "Mathe " is like a maze full of twists and turns and no truly straight forward path to any particular destination or answer.
Maybe one day you will explore Math philosphy and theory for its wild nature.
Even the debate over the application of bodmas was never resolved among all the experts who ushered it into standard form. They just settled on the form we inherited today, because it works well enough and would save them endless theory debate through the wild maze that math can carry people through when you really think about math rather than just following rules of operation set forth by people who really think about math and know its true arbitrary nature.

Trust me when i say i agree with your answer as much as i agree with mine. But i chose mine just to stick as close to bodmas as possible.
According to Bodmas 6-0+1= 6-(0+1).. that leaves 6-(+1). and like you said -(+1) = -1 .. Therfore 6-1 which is 5.
Think first bodmas then think about phrasing in the order that bodmas prescribes.

Now here is another trick to reach your answer in the same way i did reach my answer.
6-0+1 can be rearranged to be 6+1-0. then bodmas will also allow (6+1)-0. that equals 7. The answer is seven with just moving numbers around.
If i leave the equation in its original lay out, i get 5 resulting. If i rearrange it without corupting it, i get 7 resulting.
That zero makes a confusing difference and can help people discover the arbitrary nature of mathe in its pure form.

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Education / Re: Many Persons Will Fail This Maths (photo) by 19naia(m): 9:06pm On Jul 29, 2015
kaboninc:


I had to cancel all you wrote and left that part. I wanted to cancel all but decided against it.

See sir,

- 0 + 1 is not the same as -(0 + 1)

- 0 + 1 = + 1 - 0 = 1

While .




-(0 + 1) = "-0" - 1 = -1

Thanks.


You Are still contradicting Bodmas by using that negative symbol in the equation before using all positive symbol processes.
You are not going by strict rules of Bodmas and that is ok if you are independent minded and searching for new avenues through the Mathe.
Either you make an exception to the order of Bodmas or you can make the exception that -0+1 can be phrased as -(0+1) to keep in accordance with the rules of bodmas. Its all Abitrary and no approach should be crossed out for the sake of the evolution of mathematics.
I dont have examinations to pass and face the illusion that mathmatics form is not arbitrary as people are conditioned and trained to believe in schools..
Maybe its best you stick to your approach for what you are required by those who control your thinking.
I just want to explore the contradictions and arbitrary qualities in the nature if pure mathematics.

What you are failing to see, is the arbitrary nature of math and how dialectics apply. You can cross out what you like. I will retain the benefit of both your point of view and mine which are both as viable in various equations and the application of pure math.
Education / Re: Many Persons Will Fail This Maths (photo) by 19naia(m): 8:49pm On Jul 29, 2015
Weah96:


6-0+1=6+1-0=-0+1+6=1-0+6=-0+6+1. ALL EQUAL 7

You're keeping the negative, for some reason.

-0+1=+1

Add +1 to +6. There is no negative anywhere. You already used it with the -0+1=1.

That is the mistake you are making, Using the negative. Bodmas forbids using the negative except in the last step of the order of operation.
BODMAS say you solve regions with Brakest/parenthesis, followed by Exponents, then Division and then multiplication and then addition and then subtraction.
2/2 is the division. The next in line according to bodmas is the multipliction of 1x0.. The next in line is the Addition and then followed by using the negative lastly.
It is possible to to view -0+1 as -(0+1) which leaves us still with -1.
You are using a method that assings the negative to use in contradiction to Bodmas. It is a convolution to say -0+1 is the same as +0+1.
It still means the same that zero does not exist as any value negative or positive.
If zero cannot carry a negative or positive value in real application, then i have to be real and apply the Negative symbol in an applicable way whch is that the - symbol in -0+1= -(0+1).

I am going by three premises. Bodmas, the notion that - or + cannot apply to 0(zero) on the number line and that phrasing of -0+1 is more suitable as -(0+1) which also stays true to zero being unable to carry a negative or positive designation in any applied function. Maybe in theory of pure math, but simple equatins are best to be practical that zero is a neutral value that must be separated from any positive or negative designation.
I understand what you are saying and it is theoretically possible in the same way there is theory to show that irrational numbers can fit equations according to certain rules of use.
0 is one of those debated numbers between those who try to quantify or at least qualify it and those who resolve to letting it simply be nothing and devoid of any quality such as positive or negative or other wise.

Trust me, i respect your answer and i am experienced with the deeper nature of math ,and like any language, dialectics will always interfere to give diversification to form and function and cause friction to any standards, principles and formulas.
Even Bodmas is just a conceeded compromise to help make a feasible standard of operation in what is truly a wild and amorphous nature of Pure mathematics..

TRULY AMORPHOUS NATURE OF PURE MATHEMATICS.
Education / Re: Many Persons Will Fail This Maths (photo) by 19naia(m): 7:36pm On Jul 29, 2015
Weah96:


Minus 0 and Plus 0 are the same thing, they can be interchanged.

6-0+1 is the same as 6+0+1.

That is the same as canceling each other out ,so why make the extra effort to give them a value dsignation when the ultimate status of 0 is absolutely nothing with no deficit or value other wise.
Then that will allude to the need to assign the (-) symbol somewhere where it does matter. Also, the (-) symbol cannot be attached to anything or designated in any part of the order of operation, until all other symbols have been designated and factored in the correct order of BODMAS. The negative symbol has to be the last symbol by which the last two remaining numbers are factored.

So according to " bodmas" 6-0+1 the zero added to one must be factored first before you ever decide what to do with the negative symbol.
0+1=1 then the one is free to factor with the six according to final remaining (-) symbol. The negatative symbol must be the last property to factor the final numbers by. Bodmas requires it according to that order of process. and that process according to bodmas, will lead to 6-1=5 as the final answer.
But i believe in pure math where Bodmas doesnt have to be the ultimate authority. Much to learn by changing the rules, but in pure mathematics, just like any language, dialectics will keep a standard uniform order of process by which it can function as a uniform technique.
So BODMAS is the arbitrar when pure mathematics meets itself in conflict.
Education / Re: Many Persons Will Fail This Maths (photo) by 19naia(m): 7:26pm On Jul 29, 2015
HyDef:


Ironic.

Sharpen up my friend.

The minus is attached to the 0.
Since - 0 and +0 are the same, you'll have 0 + 1.
Equals 1.
Positive one, so you add it to 6.
Does the screenshot not convince you? It's there for the sake of people like you.

According to BODMAS, you cannot attach the - to any number nor can you factor it into any part of the procedure until all other parts of the procedure are factored.. Therefore the last opperation in the procedure must be the act of that subtraction using the (-)symbol attached to whatever final two numbers remain.
Therefore, 6 will be factored in terms of what will be subtracted from it. Subtraction must be the last process in the order of operation or it is not BODMAS.
That is why the answer is 6-(1) and not 6+1.. Bodmas does not allow the (-) to be factored away with any number except as the last process in the entire operation.. Your answer eliminated the (-) before your final addition. Bodmas says to Find a way to do any addition before Subtraction.
6-1 is the answer =5
Education / Re: Many Persons Will Fail This Maths (photo) by 19naia(m): 7:04pm On Jul 29, 2015
6- (1x0)+ (2/2)= 6-0+1 = 6-(0+1)= 6-1=5

6-1=5
5

How does 6-0+1 =7 ? Something is not right
6- (0+1) = 6-1
6-1 =5
there is no such number as -0 the - symbol can not be attached to the zero because that does not exists because zero does not have any value, it can not have any negative nor positive sway to its placement.
The - symbol must be factored in with the total of what 0 is being factored with. 0 being multiplied by one or added to 1=2/2.
So that will leave us subtracting as the last process in the order of operation BODMAS.
Bodmas requires that we add the 0 to the 1 before attending to what we will subtract from 6. Dont be confused by the illusion of such a number as -0. 0 is zero, there is no negative or positive about it, it is as neutral a number as can be, also 6- is not a number ,the - can not be factored as subtraction until all Division is factored, followed by multiplication, followed by addition and finally the subtraction.

Answer is 5
Travel / Re: My Passport Is Expiring Soon And I Need To Travel by 19naia(m): 6:38pm On Jul 29, 2015
libbyy:
@ 19naia thanks for your reply. I do have permanent residence status in the UK will this be okay? I would have done it earlier but only recently realised it was expiring soon (my mum usually does all the renewals lol). Tried getting some info from the NHC but called several times and no response and judging by the reviews online I appear not to be the only one who has had problems geting through to them.

The other comment above has a good option listed.
Renew the passport in Nigeria. None of the long drawn out delays and such as you find in the NG consulates abroad.
Takes a few days to do it in Nigeria and maybe even cheaper while also doing a rush order passport service.
As soon as you get to Nigeria, start the renewal the very next day and get it over with.
I think your residency will still be valid even if it came attached to the old passport.
Your residency status makes it easier for you, but it does not excuse you from maintaining a valid passport without validity lapses.

Call the UK immigration about the matter if you dont want to renew in Nigeria.
Is the residency status stamped or pasted to your Passport or is it a seperate document or ID card?
It may cause confusion if it is attached to the passport you will replace. You know what i mean? If you land back in UK without any residency document ,if it were attached to the passport NG took back when issuing a new one to you.
Travel / Re: Top 10 Countries With The Highest Salaries (photos) by 19naia(m): 2:04pm On Jul 29, 2015
The USA ranks #1 in salaries but not as good a thing as it appears.

Did you know that the US has among the lowest minimum wages of them all. Even the countries with free medical and University, have higher minimum wages than USA and some are double the average minimum wage of USA.

The reason USA still appears to have the highest average wage in the world, is because the very rare few top earners in USA, make so much more money than any body in the world, that it affects the overall average so drastically despite the low minimum wage. It makes the USA average swell to top in the world.

The very few top earners are getting richer and the rest of the over 90% are not progressing if not falling lower.

If you are coming as a salary earner, its ok in the USA, but not as good as australia, Denmark, Sweden, and all of the countries listed with free healthcare and higher education.

If you are coming as a business investor to use money to make money, then yes USA is a very good place among other countries. When we factor in cost of quality living in USA, it will make USA more appealing than many other lucrative countries for investors.

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Travel / Re: My Passport Is Expiring Soon And I Need To Travel by 19naia(m): 1:43pm On Jul 29, 2015
libbyy:
Hi guys Need advice plz as the NHC is useless!!! I have been calling the number on their site for days at one point it was ringing for 45 mins before I decided to hang up as no one would answer. I would like to travel to Nigeria middle of August however my passport is expiring on the 3rd of September. Tried to book an appointment today after paying online but could not get any available dates till the 20th of August. Is it possible for me to travel to Nigeria and come back on the 3rd which is the day my passport expires or 2nd? Or will this cause a problem ( I will have my ticket and also payslip to proved that I have paid to have it renew here (London). Anybody know as I need to book my flight but need to be sure.

If you are using the NG passport to travel into Nigeria, then it is ok even if it has the final day of validity remaining upon arrival.
If you are using NG passport to exit Nigeria, it is a general requirement that you have no less than 6 months validity on your passport to qualify for travel visa to the host country.

But, if you already have a visa or residency to the host country, there is a chance to enter you will be covered so long as you have validity remaining on your passport.
BUT... If you enter with all documents in order and your passport only has one day of validity remaining, then you may be investigated by immigration about your passport replacement plan to be sure that your passport does not lapse while you are in the host country.
There are usually rules about maintaining a current passport at all times while on visa or residency in a host country.
Residency status may not draw as much hassle from Immigration, but a temporary visa will.

Your problem is not with entering Nigeria, it is with returning to your foriegn host country with only one day validity. I am sure you will get a phone or email response if you call/message them about the matter. I hope you have residency in the country as that will make it an easier matter and then contact your host immigration to explain your issue and delay.

Your best option was to plan your travel document processing 90 days before your trip is set to go.

Never plan your travel documents around the trip departure, rather plan your trip departure around your travel document arrival.
I always start my travel plans 6 months in advance and start arranging all documents and tickets no less than 90 days before departure date. 60 days is possible but leaves little time to fit in unpredictable delays of mistakes in the processing of documents.
Also rush service at an extra cost is usually available for passport services.
Nairaland / General / Re: See The Hawk That Chased Its Prey Into Our Living Room This Morning (photo) by 19naia(m): 1:16pm On Jul 29, 2015
Its a hawk. The prey was a domestic chicken?
Politics / Re: Resume Work Now Or Be Sacked, Okorocha Tells Imo Workers by 19naia(m): 1:14pm On Jul 29, 2015
I beg, how is it worse to be sacked than to work and slave away daily with no pay? I thought it was better to be unemployed and free than to be a slave labourer who receives no wages.

The government needs to be sacked and let the people handle their own lives.

It is the definition of slave labour especially when he makes threats of sacking and other penalties if workers do not return to unpaid labour.
Only a mumu will not see this is exactly slavery. And to think a sitting governor and other poltical leaders dont recognize this.

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