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“Why did God take away the voice of Zacharias (Luke 1:11-20)? Because God knew his [Zacharias] negative words would cancel out His [God] plan.” (Joel Osteen, “Speaking Faith Filled Words,” Tape # 223. Daystar Television, May 2, 2004)

Is that true Joel? How would the words of Zecharias have cancelled out God's plan? Isaiah 55: 11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

[size=13pt]Have we heaped to ourselves giant structures that are merely pleasure-seeker palaces of self-worship?[/size]

Did Isaiah predict our generation when he made this prophecy?

[size=13pt]Isaiah 30: 9 That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:
10 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:[/size]

noetic:
note finally that, that relation of mine will never get 1,000,000 miles near that child.

Keep dreaming . . . if your relation has spent his time in jail for the crime and now returns at 50 to claim his son what happens?
What if the son wants to know his father, rape or not?

I read this article from a christian blogger and something struck me that i would like to share with you first:

[size=15pt] . . . the multitudes want a “Jesus” and a salvation that doesn’t require anything of them, just a free ride to Heaven with no requirement to live holy in this life.[/size]

morenike09:
@4Him and Pahtahkee
yes o. . .let's forget about morenike, the unofficial referee

awwww c'mere . . . you deserve a big big hug.

noetic:
u would never know he is not mine, because I guess he will look like his mom.

its good to fantasize, what if the child is a spitting image of the rapist who happens to be ur relation?

tRoOE:
Well you are kind of right as per the whole engaging thing but about the ring thing not everyone are into jewelries.

And you don’t have to have a ring on your finger to prove you are engaged

i think u're just making excuses for the facts that:
1. you dont have an engagement ring to justify ur alleged engagement.
2. Your purported engagement may just be a figment of ur own imagination.

No woman i know, even those who dislike ear rings, will refuse an engagement ring.

You sound so much like this chic in our lab. She's 30, lives in with her bf and is busy talking about savings accounts, getting a bigger house, buying washers and dryers into the home bla bla bla. I mostly stare in amazement . . . is this girl living on planet mars?
This guy has NOT even asked you to be his wife, his mom barely knows you and you're busy playing married life!

I guess desperation plays out in different ways.

fine. I only suggest adoption if the pregnancy is too far gone like say 5 months.
If its just a few weeks then commot the thing straight away.

D-reloaded:
She'd rather keep a reminder of rape as her first born child over one with her fiance? I'd leave such a woman too, Ew.

my point in a nutshell.

LadyT:
my point is ( to terminate) God forgive. your on a highway to hell if you expect her carry the child to full term then give it up!

She's on a faster tracked highway to spinsterhood if she expects me to father that child and treat it as my own.

after the "shame on you Obama" stunt i will perish the idea of both barack and hilary on the democratic ticket.

LadyT:
your being selfish what if she wants to keep the baby!!! I'm being realistic you can't even be sure you will want to touch her again after shes been violated. or what if she doesnt want sex for a very long time. remember you will see her grow with the pregnancy can you live with that?

no madame, when i love a woman enough to give her a ring and call her my wife i certainly wont chuck her away for what was not her fault. My conscience wont let me be.

whether the baby shld be kept or not is a decision that is not hers alone to make. I will have to be the unofficial father to the kid, she has to consider whether i want to support such a child.
Its not about being selfish, its about being sincere enough to know that rape can do irreparable damage to a marriage.

She doesnt want sex for a long time? that can be dealt with. I'm not a sex freak and can do without it as long as it takes for her to heal.

LadyT:
Hell no @ 4HIm if you have the child you keep it. If you don't want to keep it don't have it. Imagine discovering your a product of rape and as soon as you were born you were rejected and given away. Child is innocent in all this

LadyT i'm being practical here instead of the romanticised half-truths threads like this are likely to induce.
If i iwere the product of rape of course i'd be angry that my "parent" did not keep me but thankfully i'm not.

Be realistic, ur wife being raped is a huge psychological blow that if not that i was already commited to marrying her could have led to a break up.
Keeping that child wont help us as a couple. . . ur wife will carry that emotional hurt for as long as she sees that kid, for me it will be a reminder of something stolen from me, the priviledge of being the father of my wife's first child.

Seriously if the pregnancy is not advanced i'd have it terminated.

MC Usman:
One day the sheep will see the truth. I hope sooner rather than later.

Sheep? When did that creep into is'lamic language? Does al'lah now regard his slaves as sheep?

MC Usman:
It is as simple as proving by some mathematical formula how water can remain water and the same time be fire, or how a stone can be a stone and at the same time be water too. I do not think any sensible man on earth can ever conceive such a stupid possibility.

that's true . . . i'm just wondering how a sensible man on earth can also concieve a "stupid" possibility that the sun sets in a muddy spring or that moh'ammad actually split the moon or that life gushes from between a man's breast and his loins . . .

MC Usman:
The cross is the basic formula and symbol of the Christian Faith this symbol like the trinity/Matrix is beyond the grasp of human reason. One should believe in the doctrine only by one’s heart and mind! period.

True. considering the fact that the trinity is never once mentioned in the bible and as a concept has been fully explained more than 10x on this forum i'm not surprised that its still beyond the grasp of NOT human reasoning per se but the reasoning of those for whom pretending that it is beyond reasoning is the only logical way of lending some legitimacy to their own falsehood.

MC Usman:
@ babawomolo

", seeing they see not; hearing they hear not, neither do they understand." (Matthew 13:13) .

waoh! The day a mus'lim quotes his ko'ran rather than the bible they claim is corrupted will be the day!

pahtahkee:
Yet you do not have personal issues with me? Year 2000! 8 Years ago! I was with your parents and Igwe if I recall very well now early 2007, and I was shocked that your parents knew my parents very well. And they do not display this high animosity and invectives you keep typing here page in page out. Igwe is a pleasant fellow, same goes with your parents, but for you

You know what? We the two who are supposed ot know each other best shld never have let this degenerate this badly. forget about morenike09 (the unofficial referee for the time being) . . . i sincerely appologize for every wrong word i used against u . . . we shld be beyond this.
My brother was ur room mate, my best friend was ur GP colleague . . . u did not deserve my vitriol neither do i think it was warranted on my part.

I shall just have to learn to be more patient and to be less quick to bring out the sword of verbal invectives.

My brother from another mother abeg no vex!

marry her, give up the child for adoption.

SysUser:
I can't remember Jesus making yearly prophetic pronouncments , yet you see different Bishops, Pastors, Preachers make different yearly pronouncements (which are sometimes different) and which makes one to ask the question that since God is not the Author of Confusion how come there are disparaging prophetic pronouncements,

I can only pray that God would keep us through the evils of our days and bring us home to him,

My brother, i get a lot of abuse from people who claim that i only speak to attack or denigrate their church pastors and i just shake my head in wonder.
Why is it so hard to demand that our leaders act like Christ did?
Why do people keep excusing our men of Gawd with words like "no one is perfect" when Christ commanded - BE YE THEREFORE PERFECT EVEN AS MY FATHER IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT?

Jeol Osteen used the words "i dont know" over 40 times in his 2005 interview with Larry King, if Paul had littered his letters in the NT with "i dont know" anytime the early christians asked him a question of fundamental importance where would we be today?

SysUser:
Can you imagine when a so called Pastor cannot categorically state on TV that Christ was the only way for anybody to be saved, yet people still consider such a person as a man of God,

i will be making a post on the Jeol Osteen interview from tomorrow morning . . . it will be long but i need to highlight a lot of places where i think the church is seriously in error.

Once upon a time in college i used to seek out these motivational books being packaged by our men of Gawd today . . . they sounded so "godly", so sweet that most times u forget to read your own bible, the true manual for life!
My dad never liked them for no reason i could comprehend then, i thot he was just being old fashioned. The older i have become i realise why . . . my dad set me a standard . . . he read his bible for hrs EVERY DAY. Through him i learn that the bible has an answer to EVERY issue if only u take the pains to prayerfully seek for it . . . rather than buying PMA books that are only meant to feed your ego and selfish desires.

SysUser:
My own prayer is that after all is said and done, that I should not be found wanting by God, and that I don't end up faltering along this journey of life a Christian (Even Paul made it important for christians to realise that we could become cast-aways if care is not taking, )

that verse gnaws at my heart each time i make posts like this. I like to ask if i am not guilty of the same things i write about . . . but i pray that God will keep us too in the hollow of His hands that as we talk about issues like these we too will grow deeper in our walk with Him.

SysUser:
It has already being said that in the last days even the very elect would be deceived,

the "elect" has been so decieved that when the trumpet shall sound it will be a serious shock to many. My prayer is that none of us will be left behind.

morenike09:
@4Him and Pahtahkee
dnt you guys think its time to stop all this foolishness and answer the topic. . .you're both intelligent and capable of forming insultive words, we've established that point. but its sickening seeing all this dialogue b/w you two. even Jesus did not insult Satan thus. . .yet, you call yourselves strong christians. if this is the display of christainhood, plz i'll rather be an atheist. i no blame seun for being an atheist when christains as yourselves lash each others like long time enemies. very sickening!!

you do have a point. Thanks for pulling me by the ears . . . i will henceforth only respond to posts as regards this topic.
Sorry for the digression and silly insults folks.

Pennywise:
We will take in the women and drive back the men.

100% supported!

MC Usman:
If Mus'lim kills it is Isl'amic Terrorism, but if a Christian commits same, no tag. Note Not all Mus'lims are Arabs, Not all Arabs are Mus'lims

Where did Christians "do the same"? Where are our own hijackings, where did we fly planes into the WTC, where have christians gone celebrating the death of muslims or arabs, where have WE carried plackards of death?

MC Usman:
The First picture shows a Flocks of sheep beloging to a Palestian Farmmer brutally killed by Jews Fanatics all these crime go unreported

My dear, killing a flock of sheep is ur idea of brutal terrorism? If all muslims killed were a flock of sheep we wont be hear today.

MC Usman:
Those same voices who are so quick in calling the people "terrorists" are amazingly silent when the war criminals killed thousands and many other massacres. It is extremely arrogant of them to deny the people their absolute right to respond to the daily confiscation of land, daily assassinations, daily burning of farms, daily torture of prisoners, daily demolishing of houses, and daily killing of innocent women and children by the "mighty" IDF forces.

rubbish. All you have done is rehash the same FALSE propaganda from arabs.
Daily confiscation of land - Jordan and Egypt were in possession of these lands for 19yrs, the "palestinians" did not cry about these lands then . . . why?
Daily assassinations? - Really? Is it a crime to assassinate those for whom every breath of life is spent plotting to destroy the jewish nation?
Daily burning of farms - when?
daily torture of prisoners - Where are u hypocrites when ur arab brethren cut of the heads of their blindfolded prisoners ON THE INTERNET in the name of al'lah? where are u hypocrites when ur arab brethren hang prisoners in public squares from cranes? Very rich of u to accuse others of torturing their prisoners.
Daily demolishing of houses - Really?
Daily killing of innocent women and children - Oh so u love these women and children? the way hamas and the Iranian government treats them u'd think they were just propaganda tools.

MC Usman:
The genocide in Rwanda no body called them Christian Terrorist

because it was a war between hutu and tutsi not christian and others. Hypocrites with their heads in the sands of denial shld stop being dishonest.

MC Usman:
The genocide against Bosnia & Kosovo by Christian Serb no body called them Christian Terrorist

It was never a religious conflict.

MC Usman:
The mass killing that took place during the Liberia civil war no body called them Christian Terrorist

because it was not a religious conflict.

MC Usman:
The mass killing currently going on in Nepal & Sri lanka by Tamil Tigers no body called the Hindu/Buddhist  Terrorist.

it is a civil war for independence.

MC Usman:
The Russian invasion of Afghanistan & Chechnya no body called the orthodox Christian Terrorist

lol this is ridiculous. Russians are communists . . .

MC Usman:
A young sadist teenager in the US kills 9 kids in a Primary school no body called him a Christian Terrorist.

you dishonest pple . . . that he is american is not automatically indicating that he was christian.
He didnt go around shooting pple in the name of Christ neither did christian leaders go clinking champagne glasses on his behalf.

[size=15pt]Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.[/size]

therationa:
On the road to critical thinking and free enquiry, I wonder ?

lol i'm not going to give u atheists a sense of victory. I remain firm in my belief in Christ even stronger than before, its just that i'm begining to see that there is a big difference between christianity AND christian spiritualism.
It is one thing to be a christian in label and to understand what it truly means.
I am sick of christians who don't read their bibles in church, christians who spend most of their time living on books (by money grabbing pastors) and motivational phrases from their leaders.

Christianity of old has been replaced with positive mental attitude (PMA) sermons from our pulpits all packaged with a few isolated verses to make it sound Godly . . . ala Paula White and Joel Osteen.

KollyJay:
How re u doing? Its been a while man! The last time i post here was on page 3 or so, thinking you must have come to the true knowlegde and interpretations of the bible by now.

appologies my brother, we got sidetracked by cotton-wool brained oafs on this thread. thanks for bringing us back to topic. It must hurt some people so deeply that while they are generally despised others are patted on the back. Now to address ur concerns.

KollyJay:
So u re still really 4Him[robbers] I thought by now u shld be AgainstThem! You still here encouraging robbery indirectly and sthrentening the mind of some poor youths who might be contemplating robbery as a way out abi?

kollyjay, where did i encourage robbery?

KollyJay:
Publicly disapproving and despising these men of God [Papa Oyedepo and Daddy GO] on this forum is a sin[He that despiseth his neighbour sinneth Prov. 14 vs 21a], thatz #1.

despising? There is a difference between criticism and despising. Daddy GO was always on our TV screens at home every sunday at 3pm (i'm not sure about the time now). I attended winners chapel while i was serving. If i despised those men i'd never want anything to do with their churches.

KollyJay:
2. Is this @ all in your bible--- Do not judge so that you wont be judged!!!!! You suddenly playing the part that exclusively resevered for the MOST HIGH HIMSELF! Even if you want to help God in the judgement, must you really start with His men?

My brother, you deliberately misquote that verse so that ur false teachers can have a free ride to continue decieving the sheeple. Paul criticised apostle Peter, i didnt see him invoking "thou shalt not judge". The same bible that says not to judge is the same one that tells you to TRY every spirit whether they be of God.

KollyJay:
3. As a member of RCCG, i often listen to Daddy in his sermon saying The Lord says this and that. Meaning that he is hearing right from God. Now If creating schools will affect the primary goal of the church---winning souls, don't you think God will expressely condemn them Himself, remember HE[GOD] is not a respecter of persons!!!!!!! God must have approved the creation of those schools, if not they wont do it. I know these men wont go against God's word! So YOU RE HERE CONDEMNING AND DESPISING WOT GOD HIMSELF HAS APPROVED ABI?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .

that is simplistic thinking. Where did God approve those schools?
David numbered the jews . . . why did God wait until he had already done so before reproving Him?
David took Beersheba and killed Uriah, until Nathan came to warn him he too would have concluded that since God was quiet all this time then it means he approved it.

KollyJay:
Now can u listen to me very well? Those churches re still preparing to get rich!!!!!!!!!

While they prepare to get rich they totally forget this scripture: 2 Tim 2:4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
Sometimes u wonder, which is more important to u and ur churches, riches in this life or in the hereafter? Are you more interested in living your "best life NOW" rather than eternity?
Are you people even having a rapture on ur minds with all these obsession with riches?

KollyJay:
You have not seen anything yet, believe me! Y because Mark 10 vs 27-30 read thus-----And Jesus looking upon them saith, with men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things re possible. 28. Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee: 29. AND JESUS ANSWERED AND SAID, VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU, THERE IS NO MAN[INCLUDING You 4HIM] THAT HATH LEFT HOUSE, OR BRETHREN OR WIFE, OR CHILDREN, OR LANDS, FOR MY SAKE, AND THE GOSPEL'S 30. BUT HE SHALL RECEIVE AN 100 FOLD NOW IN THIS TIME, HOUSES, AND BRETHREN, AND SISTER, AND MOTHERS AND CHILDREN, AND LANDS [CANNALAND AND REDEMPTION CITY IN THIS CONTEXT]! WITH PERSECUTIONS[ FROM PPLE LIKE 4HIM] AND IN THE WORLD TO COME ETERNAL LIFE.

My dear you quote Peter. Pls show me where Peter got rich and built himself temples and got horses for following Christ? This Peter you so erroneously want to equate with ur men of Gawd was beaten, imprisoned all for the gospel and then crucified.
Did God forget to give peter 100 fold in this life?

KollyJay:
Can you see the prosperity is wot Jesus Christ Himself promised those that left all for HIS sake?

You are right. The problem is EVERYONE is looking at only one side of the coin . . . the prosperity!

KollyJay:
Finally, I still wish above all things that you prosper and be in health even as your[b] SOUL[/b] prosperth.

I wish you the same my bro. I'm glad that though we differ in oppinions you still are willing to show temperance in ur words. God bless you.

KollyJay:
Please, can any one tell me how to start a topic on the great forum? Uncle Seun plz, whatz the procedures? I think we need a thread where grown people like Tayo-D and Dominions can help people like me to caught some real revelations from THE book.

Go to the religion section and click "start new topic". Its one of the small row of buttons on the right of ur screen.

pahtahkee:
Dear, I would not even have bothered to reply your baloney, if not for the lies you have stated here again. You are so fond of it!

really? i havent ever seen u call me out for other lies "i'm so fond of.

pahtahkee:
I deal with issues and not the discussants.

dont make me puke pls. Tons of right thinking pple will have a serious problem with this twaddle.

pahtahkee:
You decided to take it personal

actually YOU did.

pahtahkee:
and trust me, you would never want to go that lane with me! NEVER!

true. i dont blame you, small minds like you would never have any opportunity to go down any lane with me if not for the grace of an anonymous internet. You werent one of those i ever went down any lane with in the 4yrs i knew u in school u know . . . i doubt if u'd go down any lane with Igwe himself. Stupid oaf.

pahtahkee:
and think it makes you more intelligent?

i think it hurts u that no one considers u intelligent. Again my appologies.

pahtahkee:
Keep out of my way, remember you are already on the *** list and more importantly stay out of lies.

who cares about ur lists? I have never been in ur way since 2000, i'm not about to start now. Go drown.

morenike09:
ohh puhhhlz, both of you, cut the crap. . . .hisss

spare me the sanctimonious eulogies. Where were you all along when the self-deluded pataki posted his crap?

We christians have spent so much time berating the muslims . . . sadly several experiences on some threads here have finally exposed the fact that majority of those who call themselves christians and spend time quoting the ko'ran CANT EVEN COHERENTLY QUOTE THEIR OWN BIBLE!
they dont understand it, they dont read it, they dont know Him who is spoken of in those sacred pages . . . they, like the apostles of old spoke, have heaped to themselves teachers caressing their itchy ears teaching only those things that they want to hear.
We have been reduced to a generation of catch-phrasers, we will rather run around quoting sweet lines than quoting Ps 93.

This night i spent a few minutes listening to a message by Paula White and i could not but shake my head as this generation of sheeple are slowly being led down the road to babylon.

Message title: The power of your mind: Where in the bible are we told that our minds have the power to change our destinies? What is the role of salvation then?

Catch phrase 1 - we carry in our hearts a memory of our future.: Really?

Catch phrase 2 - A spirit minded person embraces discrepancy between revelation and situation: Really?

olabowale:
And yet people are tripping over one anoter to enter Is'lam.

where are these people?

pahtahkee:
Pastor Davidylan, I would have replied you in due kind. However, I choose to perfectly ignore you for now. Trust me, it does not come this easy.

Dear, am i glad u've chosen to ignore me.
Trust me, but for a few instances here and there u never find me acknowledging ur presence anywhere as i've never found u worth the pain.
If you notice, you were not involved in the thread at all until u barged in uninvited in ur characteristic garrulous manner in page 11 arent u ashamed of urself?
I will henceforth address NO posts to you out of respect for other more sensible people.

Marriage is like a prison cell with no windows. The jailor (sorry priest) locks u in and throws away the key.

MC Usman, it may interest you to note that the pictures u showed above have been PROVEN to have been false . . . just another movie from palestinian propaganda film industries.
Read urself - http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=3&x_outlet=167&x_article=1401
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32137
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Durrah

Just confirms the hunch that you mus'lims are the most dishonest pple the world has ever been plagued with.

Dishing "harsh" punishments on Islamic insurgents? The same insurgents who think nothing of flying planes into the WTC to kill innocent workers? You have a nerve mr.

MC Usman:
When? Until we start having consecration of gay bishops, gay Archbishop, gay Baptist Ministers or gay Priest through Holy Communion in Nigeria.

1. I'm puzzled as to why that is a concern for you. Shld i be concerned that Ayatollah Khomeini thinks it is right to have sex with a 2yr old?
- Homosexualism is clearly against the bible . . . christians the world over are the LOUDEST opposers of gay marriage here in the US and in Nigeria so what really is your point?
Where were u hypocrites when norther legislators in Nigeria blocked the child rights bill because it fixed marriageable age for girls at over 12?

MC Usman:
Yes. One of the core meanings of Is'lam is peace. Therefore, the inhumane and horrific events at the World Trade Center and other suicide bombings caused by a small percentage of Mus'lim which caused innocent casualties - including many Mus'lim victims - is clearly, without a doubt, completely un-Is'lamic.

Plenty of flowery but insincere words. Where are you "peace loving" people each time an act of terrorism is commited by a "small percentage" of mus'lims in YOUR name?
Why were these followers of a core doctrine of peace jubilating the world over after 9-11?

MC Usman:
The Is’lamic point of view while regulating the sexual drive, has prohibited not only illicit sexual relations and all what leads to them, but also the sexual deviation known as homosexuality. This perverted act is a reversal of the natural order, a corruption of man's sexuality, and a crime against the rights of females. (The same applies equally to the case of lesbianism)

The The Great Book has this to say:


(What! Of all creatures, do you approach males and leave the spouses whom your Lord has created for you? Indeed, you are people transgressing (all limits)!) (Ash-Shu`araa' 26: 165-166)

“And Lo! (Remember) when he said unto his folk: Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you? Lo! ye come with lust unto men instead of women. (Al-A`raf: 80-84)

Nonsense . . . what has "prohibited" homosexualism in mus'lim nations is DENIAL and the threat of public hanging.